Fair weather fans (Llayne, where's the article link?)

[llayne]

I was reading on ESPN today and a lot of fans were saying Colorado has the worse fair weather fans in the Nation. Obviously I disagree.8') We supported the Rockies for a few years after the playoffs, and I'm sure now a lot of fans have returned until another 10 years of futility returns. The Nuggets were supported, untill the team went into a coma. How do you guys feel.:thanku:

[Garcia Bronco]

Having moved here...I've met more fair weather fans than I care to discuss. Spoiled too.

[CBF1]

Denver fans suck ROFL!

[~Crash~]

lol how many years have the Broncos sold out again ?

[Crushaholic]

lol how many years have the Broncos sold out again ?

It's been a long time since the Broncos had what one would consider a disastrous season. It remains to be seen just how many games we win this year...

[Master___Pain]

I was reading on ESPN today and a lot of fans were saying Colorado has the worse fair weather fans in the Nation. Obviously I disagree.8') We supported the Rockies for a few years after the playoffs, and I'm sure now a lot of fans have returned until another 10 years of futility returns. The Nuggets were supported, untill the team went into a coma. How do you guys feel.:thanku:

What exactly were you reading on espn? An article? Message boards?

[bronco militia]

there are too many sports teams, things to do in colorado and in life in general to be a so called 'good' fan these days.

tell them to shove it up their ass and enjoy the ride

[TailgateNut]

I was reading on ESPN today and a lot of fans were saying Colorado has the worse fair weather fans in the Nation. Obviously I disagree.8') We supported the Rockies for a few years after the playoffs, and I'm sure now a lot of fans have returned until another 10 years of futility returns. The Nuggets were supported, untill the team went into a coma. How do you guys feel.:thanku:


I AGREE! maybe not the top in the nation, but we have 'em!

[ak1971]

there are too many sports teams, things to do in colorado and in life in general to be a so called 'good' fan these days.

tell them to shove it up their ass and enjoy the ride

I agree. We could be in Green Bay where all there is to do is eat cheese and get fat. Im sooo ****ing sick of all this fairweather fan BS. WHO GIVES A ****. Its entertainment, people have limited entertainment budgets, and they are going to go to the sporting events that are the most exciting (usually this is when the team is winning) We are fortunate in Colorado to have a bunch of great sports choices year in and year out (except CSU)

[socalorado]

Are you people crazy?!?!?!
NO. Colorado does not have the worst fair weather fans.
BY far the worst in not only the nation, but the WORLD
is here in sunny Socal!!
No where else will you find "fans" filing out of the arena during
a Stanley Cup playoff game so they can,
"beat the traffic" or "get the kids to bed"
No other area in general has lost 2 NFL teams because of lack of
support, with a 3rd that when sucks is always rumored to be leaving
for "greener pastures"
No, No. please relax in COL. Everythings OK. Trust me on this one, you guys
are alright.
Here in SOCAL, you can still see the dust outlines of the bolt stickers that were ripped off after the sad defeat last year on all of the back windows of all the SUVs of fairweather fans that grow in mass here every year.............right on time!

[Broncojef]

I guess I need a definition on what a fan is. Blind loyalty going to the game and cheering until you are hoarse, living and dying with your team when the product is bad does not constitue a fan to me. I truly am a Bronco and Rockie fan. I stopped buying Rockies season tickets when the product sucked to the point the ownership was telling me they just didn't care. I'll go cheer the World Series but until ownership shows me they will sign these kids long term I'm not a season ticket holder or going to the games during the season. I have been so disgusted with the Broncos lack of heart the last few games I didn't go this last week because I knew I'd be depressed and miserable all day. I hate going to the games wanting the "W" more than the guys suiting up. That being said Bowlen and Shanny usually always put out a good product and have a solid team and I'll support them with my $$$ and my time.

[Don Flamenco]

Going to a game in Invesco was comparable to going to a game in Candlestick. The tailgaiting was cool, but too many people telling me to sit down when I cheered for my team.

Ivesco is probably one of the quietest stadiums in the league sold out 23834 years in a row or not.

[NYBronc]

Not the worst. Hell our attendance was better than Clevelands.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

[broncosteven]

I admit to being a fair weather White Sox fan but hey, I always hate the Cubs!

[TerrElway]

Before SB wins vs After SB wins.

Lots of folks jump on a winning bandwagon that weren't there in the "lean" years. I know a lot of hardcore old-time Broncos fans here in Utah (and some that I know personally in Colorado) and they are as true as they come. I do think that the winning and new stadium has brought out a wine a cheese crowd...er...WHINE and cheese crowd that are the fair weather variety.

Success has spoiled a lot of Bronco fans though to be sure.

I've seen the same thing happen with the Jazz in Utah. Now that they are decent again, suddenly everyone is a Jazz fan.

The "corporatizing" of the games and stadiums/arenas has exacerbated the problem. I've sat in the front few rows and I've sat in the upper bowl/deck at both events (Jazz and Broncos) and I enjoyed the view much more in the lower bowl but the experience as a whole was greater in the "cheap seats" because I was sitting with people who, like me, came to the game to watch the game and cheer the home team. Not come to the game to be seen amongst the "high rollers".

[broncosteven]

Before SB wins vs After SB wins.

Lots of folks jump on a winning bandwagon that weren't there in the "lean" years. I know a lot of hardcore old-time Broncos fans here in Utah (and some that I know personally in Colorado) and they are as true as they come. I do think that the winning and new stadium has brought out a wine a cheese crowd...er...WHINE and cheese crowd that are the fair weather variety.

Success has spoiled a lot of Bronco fans though to be sure.

I've seen the same thing happen with the Jazz in Utah. Now that they are decent again, suddenly everyone is a Jazz fan.

The "corporatizing" of the games and stadiums/arenas has exacerbated the problem. I've sat in the front few rows and I've sat in the upper bowl/deck at both events (Jazz and Broncos) and I enjoyed the view much more in the lower bowl but the experience as a whole was greater in the "cheap seats" because I was sitting with people who, like me, came to the game to watch the game and cheer the home team. Not come to the game to be seen amongst the "high rollers".


It happens all over. I think Chicago has the absolute worst Fair weather fans beacuse a lot of them were rooting for their supposedly "hated" division rival the Fudge Pack when they were on their SB run and Duh Bear sucked.

I could NEVER find myself rooting for an AFC West rival under any condition. I was so glad that TB Pounded the Butt-pirates in their SB.

[ak1971]

Before SB wins vs After SB wins.

Lots of folks jump on a winning bandwagon that weren't there in the "lean" years. I know a lot of hardcore old-time Broncos fans here in Utah (and some that I know personally in Colorado) and they are as true as they come. I do think that the winning and new stadium has brought out a wine a cheese crowd...er...WHINE and cheese crowd that are the fair weather variety.

Success has spoiled a lot of Bronco fans though to be sure.

I've seen the same thing happen with the Jazz in Utah. Now that they are decent again, suddenly everyone is a Jazz fan.

The "corporatizing" of the games and stadiums/arenas has exacerbated the problem. I've sat in the front few rows and I've sat in the upper bowl/deck at both events (Jazz and Broncos) and I enjoyed the view much more in the lower bowl but the experience as a whole was greater in the "cheap seats" because I was sitting with people who, like me, came to the game to watch the game and cheer the home team. Not come to the game to be seen amongst the "high rollers".



I do like a fine cabernet though

[TerrElway]

It happens all over. I think Chicago has the absolute worst Fair weather fans beacuse a lot of them were rooting for their supposedly "hated" division rival the Fudge Pack when they were on their SB run and Duh Bear sucked.

I could NEVER find myself rooting for an AFC West rival under any condition. I was so glad that TB Pounded the Butt-pirates in their SB.

A-Freakin'-men!

Here's one for you: Could you root for another AFCW team if they were playing Peyton Manning and a win would ruin an undefeated season for the Dolts?

Could you root for another AFCW team if they were playing Baltimore and they had to win for the Broncos to get into the playoffs?

Them's tough sitch-ee-ations!

[bombay]

Denver has great sports fans, if a tad spoiled. Like everybody everywhere, we love a winner.

[TerrElway]

Denver has great sports fans, if a tad spoiled. Like everybody everywhere, we love a winner.

Do you think that some think there is something "noble" in suffering with your losing team? Like Cubs fans and Sox fans before '04? I think some people do think it makes them a better fan if their team is bad.

[bombay]

Do you think that some think there is something "noble" in suffering with your losing team? Like Cubs fans and Sox fans before '04? I think some people do think it makes them a better fan if their team is bad.

I'm not sure what makes a losing cause 'noble', but I stick with my teams through thick and thin. Like everyone everywhere, I'm more enthusiastic when 'we' are winning.

PS: and no, I can't see a circumstance where I would jump on the bandwagon of a division rival. Being a native Chicagoan, I can tell you this: if anyone ever tells you they are both a cub and sox fan, protect your wallet.

[COBronco 69]

It does happen all over. I see it when I go to a CU game and they are having a rough season. Empty seats, sh*tty attitudes, same goes for the Av games and Rockies games. I saw some of the highligts of the Rockies game on TV this morning, noticed that the place was packed. When has that ever happened? And all of those people will say "Ive been supporting the rockies ALL THIS TIME" :)

I had a friend bail on me for the Steelers game this weekend, cause he "wasnt gonna waste alot of money just to watch em lose"....wow!

Not something to worry about, the real fans will always be there, the bandwagons will hop on and off. Some of us get passionite about the games, and during the chargers game, I left and went and did something else. Just couldnt bear to watch it any more....Wont catch me hopping on the rockies wagon, or ever hopping off the Broncos wagon...

[RkyMtnThunder]

Naw....Phoenix is worse than Denver when it comes to fair weather fans.

Every city has them, some more than others. And Phoenix takes the cake.

Good example; Diamondbacks couldnt get people into the stands until August.

It wasnt until a new stadium that Cards fans finally outnumbered opposing team's fans on a week to week basis. And unless they continue to improve (playing QBs fresh off the street isnt going to help) expect lots of people not to renew season ticket packages now the shiny new stadium is starting to loose its novelty.

And they cant even give away Coyotes tickets....

Suns have a strong following, but only because they have been good the last few seasons. They fell off the map for a while between the Barkley and Nash eras.

[TerrElway]

I'm not sure what makes a losing cause 'noble', but I stick with my teams through thick and thin. Like everyone everywhere, I'm more enthusiastic when 'we' are winning.

PS: and no, I can't see a circumstance where I would jump on the bandwagon of a division rival. Being a native Chicagoan, I can tell you this: if anyone ever tells you they are both a cub and sox fan, protect your wallet.

I don't know either I just know some fans of those perpetual "losers" wear it like a badge of honor. Don't get me wrong, I say stick with your team, (my college fball team is Utah State and they are beyond bad but I still watch the games and hope for better days) but it's almost like some take pride in backing a loser.

Psychology is an interesting thing.

[Bronx33]

It's been a long time since the Broncos had what one would consider a disastrous season. It remains to be seen just how many games we win this year...


The real fans will surface again after another year of the broncos being under construction/subpar seasons.

[Dempsey Dog]

No way! Living here in AZ, after moving from CO, I can assure you that AZ fans are much worse. The only team that sells out here regularly and over a long period is the Suns. I have season tickets to ASU, the 8th ranked team in the BCS, and there must have been 10,000 empty seats last Saturday. Obviously, we have heard about the support the D-Backs have gotten.

I have not lived there, but So Cal fans are worse too.

[Kaylore]

I don't care what people say. I'm on the bandwagon and proud. I do go to at least five Rockies games every year, but that was largely because the tickets were easy to come by and Coors field is awesome during the summer. Anyway, if my support and excitement for my team making the World Series makes me a bandwagon fan, then I'm a bandwagon fan and a proud one! :approve: :haw!:

I will say anyone saying Bronco fans are fair weather fans is a moron.

[lazarus4444]

I was reading on ESPN today and a lot of fans were saying Colorado has the worse fair weather fans in the Nation. Obviously I disagree.8') We supported the Rockies for a few years after the playoffs, and I'm sure now a lot of fans have returned until another 10 years of futility returns. The Nuggets were supported, untill the team went into a coma. How do you guys feel.:thanku:

Ahhhh, jealousy, you got to love it! We'd be spoiled if all our pro sport teams were good but they are not so no worries.

[38yrsfan]

I disagree, but 2nd behind the Dallas Cowboys isn't that great either. :(

[spdirty]

With me, been going to Broncos games since i was 7. Not going this year strictly because of personal reasons, has nothing to do with the team. But as long as Bowlen is the owner, I will continue to support the Broncos with all my heart. If something were to happen where they get a Kaiser or Bidwell or Brown type owner, the hell with em.

With the Rox, when they first came here, I went to every game I could, and watched or listened to every game I could. Then in '99 or '00, I just quit...realized that all the owners cared about was the $$$, and I was done with em. Really I felt like I never left the Rox, but that the Rox left me. And hell, I cursed those who went to the games as part of the problem for supporting the Monforts ineptitude. But credit O'Dowd. Him and Hurdle and the scouts did a great job building this team. When this great run is over, the onus is on the Monforts to keep these guys together and to keep giving us as fans a reason to come.

With the Avs, well, you know, when they first came here I was just learning the game of hockey, but they are an easy team to root for and are fun to follow. Even last year when they missed out on the playoffs, the last ditch run they went on would almost rival the regular season run the Rox just pulled off.

As far as the Nugs, I loved watching em during the Moe years, then the playoff run in '94 was great, I followed em closely in '95, then when they got rid of Mutombo I cursed em till Melo fell into their lap. Although I can't stand Martin, I don't blame them for signing him...just showed that Kroenke is committed to putting out a winner. I go to, watch, or listen to every game I can with them.

Been a CU fan since I was a kid, and am extremely excited about where they will be in a couple years. Hell, Hawk excited most people last year with the recruiting job he pulled off during the 2-10 year. Now in a couple years they can be a top 10 program. And with Bzdelik taking over the BBall job, Ill probably fnd myself going to a few of their games.

F the Rapids. Don't care about what they do.

Man, with the Rockies now the toast of the town, I think we rival Detroit now for the best all around major sports town.

So would I consider myself a bandwagon? Hell no, and I wouldn't consider Colorado fair weather fans either. You give us something to root for, and we will support you. But thats all we ask.

[Hogan11]

Only one city can lay legit claim as being the fair weather fan capitol of the USA.........and that's Atlanta GA.

[gmandret]

Having moved here...I've met more fair weather fans than I care to discuss. Spoiled too.

You have no idea what fans are Garcia, just because the town jumps on the Rockies doesn't mean they are fair weather! This town as supported every major and minor team that has come through here, you've been here for what 10 months, you haven't an idea what this city supports.

Get a clue we are a "mid level market" that supports 5 major league teams, Broncos, Avalanche, Nuggets, Rockies and Rapids, not to mention 2 minor league teams and when the product sucks we don't go. That doesn't make us fair weather it makes us SMART.

"Peacachoo 9001"

[CBF1]

LOL Rapids a "Major" league team LOL

I like warm weather games so I can wear shorts. Do not be a hater.

[bronco militia]

Going to a game in Invesco was comparable to going to a game in Candlestick. The tailgaiting was cool, but too many people telling me to sit down when I cheered for my team.

Ivesco is probably one of the quietest stadiums in the league sold out 23834 years in a row or not.

unless you sat in the club seats, I think this is an urban legend

[ro_50]

Every team has fair weather fans. I'm a lifelong Tribe fan, I wonder where some of these fans were hiding a year ago. :>

[Vegas_Bronco]

I'm a huge fan of the 'worst team to ever win the Series' or at least thats the label they gave the Cardinals last year. I guess you could argue that about the Rockies but then again that winning streak is amazing! I'm rooting for the Rockies because I hate the Sox and the Indians are in Cleveland -what more do I need to say.

[Meck77]

Go Patriots!

[SoCalBronco]

I have not lived there, but So Cal fans are worse too.

I can definitely attest to this. The fans here are a ****ing embarassment and I delight at their suffering anytime an LA team loses a big game. I really, really enjoy that. **** LA fans.

[Natedogg]

There are some ff fans here. But there are everywhere. Even the Pittsburg base dwindles when their team sucks (they've been at least "good" for ten years so their base is high).

I do know that fweather fans make me sick. Not much you can do though... except get drunk and call them out at bars.

Also LP is a pimp.

[24champ]

I can definitely attest to this. The fans here are a ****ing embarassment and I delight at their suffering anytime an LA team loses a big game. I really, really enjoy that. **** LA fans.

Been through this before more times as I care to count, I don't know how many times me and JasoninLA have to continually fight against this misconception that LA is full of bandwagoners. If you go south of LA where Anaheim and San Diego is, there is your bandwagoners. Not Los Angeles. LA Kings, Dodgers, Lakers have been around for awhile and continually sell out tickets and our College programs there always get support. If you are going to call LA fans fairweather, cite some f***ing statistics, otherwise cram it.

[SoCalBronco]

Been through this before more times as I care to count, I don't know how many times me and JasoninLA have to continually fight against this misconception that LA is full of bandwagoners. If you go south of LA where Anaheim and San Diego is, there is your bandwagoners. Not Los Angeles. LA Kings, Dodgers, Lakers have been around for awhile and continually sell out tickets and our College programs there always get support. If you are going to call LA fans fairweather, cite some ****ing statistics, otherwise cram it.

Don't deflect to Orange County and San Diego...we've argued about this hundreds of times....where was everybody at the Coliseum just 7 years ago when Mike Van Raaphorst was at QB? Can you tell me where all the flags went, 24? I don't see them on any cars anymore. I guess the government must have confiscated all of them, right?

This city is a joke. I never said SD or the OC is not also a joke, but there is NO WAY AROUND IT, these "fans" are, by and large, a huge embarassment. I loved when Don Cherry basically called the entirety of the LA fanbase a bunch of fags. That was the most hilarious thing ever. Granted, not EVERY SINGLE PERSON is a bandwagoner, you know for example that I respect you as a real LA fan, but the large majority of your fellow fans are just disgusting.

[Drek]

Its a hard thing to judge really.

Take New England for example. Its a die hard baseball and basketball market. The former more than anything else, even down Red Sox years have gotten solid fan support. The Celtics had to go in the crapper for nearly a decade and a half to really kill the fanbase, but that'll be back very heavy this year now that their is some signs of a return to form.

Meanwhile the Pats were a forgotten organization until they won a few championships in a row. Suddenly everyone in NE is a Pats fan.

Thats how sports work, they're a regional thing. Packer fans are pretty dedicated and there isn't really anything else to do in Green Bay, but look at the Brewers, located a little ways south and its not like they're a major draw. Its a football region.

Or the southeast as a whole. You'll see high school division title games out draw the Braves and Hawks by a country mile.

L.A. is a classic basketball market, very much like New York, basketball is the biggest draw in town. But in big cities like that the team needs to be worth watching to really capitalize. Its not bandwagoning, its just a wealth of choice.

Denver is a football market first, hockey second, everything else third. Thats because the Broncos and Avs have a long standing tradition of putting a quality product on the field. Over a prolonged period of time it creates a culture in a specific region.

I somewhat think a very bad Broncos season might just be what the organization needs to bring back Invesco's home field advantage. Get all the bandwagon fat wallet crowd to turn down their season tickets and let the younger generation of real fans get back in the stadium. Its hard to build a legitimate homefield mystique with bandwagoner fans filling out most of the stadium.

[24champ]

Don't deflect to Orange County and San Diego...

Why the hell not? They should be drawing your ire instead. Before the Chargers and Ducks starting winning where the hell were the fans? There is a reason why Qualcomm stadium is called Mile High West. Secondly the Ducks were outdrawn by the Kings in hockey, and the Kings weren't cup contenders by any means. As crappy of a Franchise the Kings are they had one of the worst years in it's history and still managed to outdraw the friggin Ducks. In the 90s the Dodgers had some of the worst years in it's franchise history and still were able to be in the top of the league in attendance. Your "where are the flags?" argument is BS because just about every team in professional sports has flags available to it's fans and I don't see you railing on them about where their flags are.

Not everyone in LA roots for the Local teams as you don't, so you can throw out the population argument as a reason for the great gate numbers these teams put up. Like I said show me some stats and stop crying about where the flags are. In fact I will get you a Laker flag for your car next time I see you at training camp.;D

[Hogan11]

The Broncos have too many stars for a losing season to clean out the wine & cheesers, that can only be obtained thru an unholy combination of a fire sale and a few losing seasons.....something I'm definitely not in favor of at all.

[boltaneer]

Regarding the California bashing, for those of you who don't live here, you don't understand the makeup of our population.

California is a state that is made up of a large number of foreigners and transplants, unlike a lot of other states and cities that have pro-teams. True, some cities can overcome this like New York and that is part of the culture.

I work in a pretty large company, around 500 people or so. I've been at the company for almost ten years now and I know a good number of people in the company and a conservative guess would be that 50% of the people are not from California, let alone San Diego.

When the transplant's team comes to town, they line up to get tickets to see their team since it may be only once in eight years (for the NFL) no matter if they have to pay through the nose. I've gone to Charger games with co-workers and friends who are fans of a dozen other teams.

And for the ones that are bandwagon fans here, nine times out of ten, it's the transplant who jumps on the bandwagon when the Chargers or Padres get hot, not the naitive San Diegan (I've seen this countless times).

I can't speak on behalf of Orange County or LA or even northern California but I would venture a guess that it's a similar situation.

[Hogan11]

I've never seen a more sedate fan base than that of the Chargers...being there when LT set the record and they clinched the division last year....the overall tepid reaction from the fans as they left the stadium gave me the impression that they just didn't believe in them or something. In most other places, I'm sure the fans would've been going nuts.

[Sassy]

If I was a fair weather fan I would cancel my flight/hotel to Houston and sell my tickets...

[broncocalijohn]

San Diego is by far the worst in the west region. While the Rams were leaving town with 33k there to wave goodbye, Denver had 66k on a team that was 7-8 and Christmas Eve. SD has more doctors in ER because of all the broken bones from jumping off the bandwagon. Every town has them but showing loyalty proves your town is not a johnny come lately. Broncos do not have that. Rockies might but when you wait this many years for a winner, watching a loser with very little roots in a town is not a priority.

[Meck77]

Denver is a football market first, hockey second, everything else third. Thats because the Broncos and Avs have a long standing tradition of putting a quality product on the field. .

Really? How many Quebec Nordiques fans are there in the house? Ha!

Just giving you a hard time Drek. ;)

I don't know as far as all this Rockies stuff goes I can't think of one person who ever told me while I lived in Denver over the last 7 years "Just wait we will get to the world series this year". Nobody ever said that in Denver. NOBODY. The only guys that believed they had a shot this season was the team itself but hey it's fun to ride the wave and we are all riding the wave.


Everyone always like to use the word Championship when it comes to Broncos though. Hell people would say that even when we had Griese. Ha!


All this competition for marketing dollars is a good thing. Hopefully it will keep south stand tickets under the $100 mark for a few more years. Boy that sounds weird just saying that.

What fans call Bandwagoning marketing depts call building fan bases. Broncos Country! Join today!

At the end of the day like AK said it's all about entertainment and I'll add it the fun factor. It's fun to be a sports fan in Denver nobody could argue with that.

[Hogan11]

Really? How many Quebec Nordiques fans are there in the house? Ha!

Believe it or not, I was one.

[boltaneer]

San Diego is by far the worst in the west region. While the Rams were leaving town with 33k there to wave goodbye, Denver had 66k on a team that was 7-8 and Christmas Eve. SD has more doctors in ER because of all the broken bones from jumping off the bandwagon. Every town has them but showing loyalty proves your town is not a johnny come lately. Broncos do not have that. Rockies might but when you wait this many years for a winner, watching a loser with very little roots in a town is not a priority.

Every team and city has fans that lose interest when their team doesn't do well. Bronco fans proved that two weeks ago during the Charger game.

Or does that not count?

[TailgateNut]

The "fairweather" fans will surface again after another year of the broncos being under construction/subpar seasons.

Fixed it for you!
The REAL fans don't dis-appear.

[socalorado]

Every team and city has fans that lose interest when their team doesn't do well. Bronco fans proved that two weeks ago during the Charger game.

Or does that not count?

NO, NO. Nowhere will you find "fairweather" fans like in SoCal. Sorry. Nice try with the demographic crap too!
Its irrelevant where people originally come from. You act like everyone jumped on a horse and rode out here with their family from St.Louis last week!
There a MILLIONS of people in CAL that have been here for a 50-100 years and raised families, generation to genration. What? Thats not long enough to generate some hard core loyal fans to the area's teams in general?
SoCal fans are just not dedicated for a # of reasons.
The reasons vary, but the fact remains that locals just have no clue whats going on with their respective teams.
I could use the example i provided in my last post.
People dont remove the decal off the back window en masse when "their" team losses a playoff game.
I have seen countless, COUNTLESS cars and trucks with the old outline from the dolt sticker on their car. Its absolutely hillarious!!
Its only in SOCal that you get embarressed fans that do this....they have no loyalty to the team unless it looks like they are going to win. But when they lose, UH OH! Get it off, cuase they never where a true fan to begin with!
But heres the funny aspect. No matter how bad the Chokeland Traitors are, their lame-ass fans STILL keep those stupid fader decals and skull with swords crap on their vehicles. As much as i hate to say it, thats loyalty no matter how you slice it.......................or its stupidity er..........well you know what i mean, when theres more fader fans than sparkler fans at your own home games, you know your fans are fairweather.
And just think the fade are in NOCAL!

[defenseman]

Every team and city has fans that lose interest when their team doesn't do well. Bronco fans proved that two weeks ago during the Charger game.

Or does that not count?

It does count absolutely. And, Shanahan fully "ENDORSED" the exiting fans mild protest. He acknowledged that there was no reason why a "fan" shouldn't lose interest given the broncos lacklustre and sub-par play to the point of walking out. The broncos "QUIT", why shouldn't the fans quit for the remainder of the game they attended. No reason to stay...dman

[F**kOakland]

and they do seem from my observation not too football savvy. I.E. cheering loudly when denver has the ball. I was watching the Pitt/Seattle game and the anouncers where commenting on how quiet the fans got when pitt had the ball. Hell I remember Rod shushing the crowd at a game a few years back...I think against the Eagles. Is this the fans or the fault of the stadium "big screen" operators. maybe the fans need a refresher course.

What ever happened to the wave .....damn I miss the ol mile high!

[defenseman]

and they do seem from my observation not too football savvy. I.E. cheering loudly when denver has the ball. I was watching the Pitt/Seattle game and the anouncers where commenting on how quiet the fans got when pitt had the ball. Hell I remember Rod shushing the crowd at a game a few years back...I think against the Eagles. Is this the fans or the fault of the stadium "big screen" operators. maybe the fans need a refresher course.

What ever happened to the wave .....damn I miss the ol mile high!

Maybe they have been cheering, because the offense actually HAD THE BALL FOR ONCE. Whoopeee, we got the ball. Just a little joke there..dman

[TailgateNut]

and they do seem from my observation not too football savvy. I.E. cheering loudly when denver has the ball. I was watching the Pitt/Seattle game and the anouncers where commenting on how quiet the fans got when pitt had the ball. Hell I remember Rod shushing the crowd at a game a few years back...I think against the Eagles. Is this the fans or the fault of the stadium "big screen" operators. maybe the fans need a refresher course.

What ever happened to the wave .....damn I miss the ol mile high!


It's a combination of "dumb-ass fans" who don't know when to STFU and the f-in Icestco "DJs". Those morons always seem to get the fans fired up when we have possession.

BTW: the wave is a Soccer thinghy, IMO!

[cadencesdad]

Before SB wins vs After SB wins.

Lots of folks jump on a winning bandwagon that weren't there in the "lean" years. I know a lot of hardcore old-time Broncos fans here in Utah (and some that I know personally in Colorado) and they are as true as they come. I do think that the winning and new stadium has brought out a wine a cheese crowd...er...WHINE and cheese crowd that are the fair weather variety.

Success has spoiled a lot of Bronco fans though to be sure.

I've seen the same thing happen with the Jazz in Utah. Now that they are decent again, suddenly everyone is a Jazz fan.

The "corporatizing" of the games and stadiums/arenas has exacerbated the problem. I've sat in the front few rows and I've sat in the upper bowl/deck at both events (Jazz and Broncos) and I enjoyed the view much more in the lower bowl but the experience as a whole was greater in the "cheap seats" because I was sitting with people who, like me, came to the game to watch the game and cheer the home team. Not come to the game to be seen amongst the "high rollers".

Agreed 100%. I hate the Jazz for that very reason. It drives me berzerk with the Jazz fans coming out of the woodwork when they are in the playoffs.

Guys at work don't say a word all year long, until playoff time, then they are lifelong die-hard fans. I'd rather hate the Jazz than be lumped in with that group.

[chadta]

Guys at work don't say a word all year long, until playoff time, then they are lifelong die-hard fans. I'd rather hate the Jazz than be lumped in with that group.

sounds like most leaf fans around here, altho they were all quick to make fun of me for being a flyers fan last year, but i got the last laugh when they missed the playoffs too and started golfing the same time as the flyers who at least got a good draft pick.

[F**kOakland]

BTW: the wave is a Soccer thinghy, IMO![/QUOTE]


the wave was a "MILE HIGH" staple back in the day of the barrel man and that leprechan fella

[TailgateNut]

BTW: the wave is a Soccer thinghy, IMO!


the wave was a "MILE HIGH" staple back in the day of the barrel man and that leprechan fella[/QUOTE]

The Barrell man was a ****ing Raider fan who jumped on our wagon when he moved to Denver and the Leprechaun is a ****ing leech. Both of them are just "attention whores" IMO! Gloryfied mascots!

[TailgateNut]

just because less people are contributing during a bye week doesn't make anyone a fair weather fan. It pretty much means that those who are should probably get a life and root for the Rockies



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[RaiderH8r]

When the club plays without heart or passion I'm going to call them out on it. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. They can lose, I have no problem with that, it's part of the game. Going through the motions while getting stomped into the ground is not going to cut it though. I'm a fan, call me a fairweather fan and it'll draw my ire. I will always root for my club and under the tent of my club I will air my grievances with others in my fan family. What I don't do is gripe about my club to Raider fans and give them ammo, they get the homer.

These are pro football players, grown men. They have mommies to coddle them and plenty of sycophants to swing off their nutsacks. I'm not their mommy and I'm not swinging off anyone's nutsack because of the uni they wear. They strap on the Broncos Orange and Blue I expect them to perform to a certain standard and with heart. While I will accept some may not have the talent of others, that's the way things go, I'll never give them a pass for playing gutless, uninspired football.

That's from a fan.

[boltaneer]

NO, NO. Nowhere will you find "fairweather" fans like in SoCal. Sorry. Nice try with the demographic crap too!
Its irrelevant where people originally come from. You act like everyone jumped on a horse and rode out here with their family from St.Louis last week!
There a MILLIONS of people in CAL that have been here for a 50-100 years and raised families, generation to genration. What? Thats not long enough to generate some hard core loyal fans to the area's teams in general?
SoCal fans are just not dedicated for a # of reasons.
The reasons vary, but the fact remains that locals just have no clue whats going on with their respective teams.
I could use the example i provided in my last post.
People dont remove the decal off the back window en masse when "their" team losses a playoff game.
I have seen countless, COUNTLESS cars and trucks with the old outline from the dolt sticker on their car. Its absolutely hillarious!!
Its only in SOCal that you get embarressed fans that do this....they have no loyalty to the team unless it looks like they are going to win. But when they lose, UH OH! Get it off, cuase they never where a true fan to begin with!
But heres the funny aspect. No matter how bad the Chokeland Traitors are, their lame-ass fans STILL keep those stupid fader decals and skull with swords crap on their vehicles. As much as i hate to say it, thats loyalty no matter how you slice it.......................or its stupidity er..........well you know what i mean, when theres more fader fans than sparkler fans at your own home games, you know your fans are fairweather.
And just think the fade are in NOCAL!

I see tons of cars around with Charger stickers on it.

I hardly see any cars with Oakland stickers on it.

The percentage of Raider fans is WAY down at Charger games now. Charger-Raider games here are so tame and their presence is now almost a joke. It was up a little this year because their fans had false hope because they backed into first place over the bye week.

You see what you want to see. Maybe I am as well but I don't think so. I see all this on a daily basis so I trust what I see is accurate.

[broncocalijohn]

Every team and city has fans that lose interest when their team doesn't do well. Bronco fans proved that two weeks ago during the Charger game.

Or does that not count?


You are in SD so you should know this for fact and hide under a bus. The difference is that the game already started and was out of hand plus add horrible weather. Qualcomm would have the same problem but at the end of the game, you could see 5k to 10k fans left. Of course that was fans wearing Orange and Blue or whatever colors the opposing team wears. You guys jump off the bandwagon BEFORE the season or game even starts. How many extensions to lift a black out did it take a few years ago when you took the AFC West and the whole NFL by surprise and come out the best in the league. Ive been going to SD vs Chargers games since 1992 and I know exactly how you "lower So Calers think". The worst is San Diego and that is a fact. I own premium season seats in a group and I am an opposing fan. How can you let that happen? Easy. SD fans never keep their season seats when they hit a rough spot.

[broncocalijohn]

the wave was a "MILE HIGH" staple back in the day of the barrel man and that leprechan fella

Tailgate Nut: The Barrell man was a ****ing Raider fan who jumped on our wagon when he moved to Denver and the Leprechaun is a ****ing leech. Both of them are just "attention whores" IMO! Gloryfied mascots!


While i completely agree with you about that POS leprechaun guy, your bad mouthing of Tim aka Barrel Man is blashemy! Who cares if he switched his alliance to the Broncos. He has been a fan for over 30 years and left the Faiders when they were one of the top teams in the league. He has shown his loyalty to this team through thick and thin. The thread is about "fair weather fans" and he is a HOF fan in Canton. He is there no matter what. His tailgate party with Hat Man Jay are die hard in appearance and welcomes all comers. "Glorified Mascot" isnt a put down to me. If you know the charity work he does while being the "barrel man" speaks volumes of his character. The only attention whore of the two is that leprechaun. I meet this "fan" in Miami after the Super Bowl. At the fan after party, a broncos fan asked him what his most favorite part of the Super Bowl game was for him. Our win? Elway winning the MVP award? Nope. It was seeing himself on the bigscreen! Now that is an attention whore not to mention him pushing people out of the way to get on tv during field goal kicks. Barrel Man is a staple of what passion Broncos fans have. This season so far is a test to that. I guarantee BM will be there win or lose. Next year he will hang up the barrel. If he is an attention whore, do you think he then wont show up for the games?

BTW: The quote thread is adding the previous post that was quoted. While it is nice to see where this lead to, it can be confusing on who wrote what. I am responding to TGNs post. above mine. ****Oakland has the first post that incorrectly puts TGN as the starter. TJ needs to get this thing fixed.

[broncolife]

I see tons of cars around with Charger stickers on it.

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What is this world coming to when we have sadistic bastards going around putting charger stickers on peoples cars. I hope the cops catch these sickos soon. ;D

[boltaneer]

You are in SD so you should know this for fact and hide under a bus. The difference is that the game already started and was out of hand plus add horrible weather. Qualcomm would have the same problem but at the end of the game, you could see 5k to 10k fans left. Of course that was fans wearing Orange and Blue or whatever colors the opposing team wears. You guys jump off the bandwagon BEFORE the season or game even starts. How many extensions to lift a black out did it take a few years ago when you took the AFC West and the whole NFL by surprise and come out the best in the league. Ive been going to SD vs Chargers games since 1992 and I know exactly how you "lower So Calers think". The worst is San Diego and that is a fact. I own premium season seats in a group and I am an opposing fan. How can you let that happen? Easy. SD fans never keep their season seats when they hit a rough spot.

Using season tickets or jersey sales or anything financially related is a poor measuring stick to measure how "fair weather/hardcore" a fan is because of the fact that economics is involved. Don't tell me you belive that the amount of money you spend on your football team correlates with how "good" of a fan you are. A hardcore fan can still root for his team in front of his TV set, at a local sports bar, listening to the game on the radio or even following a gamecast on nfl.com. Economics will force a person to make a decision on how to get the best out of his money. If a product is bad, it's not a wise decision financially to continue spending money on that product.

In fact, I think it's the true fan who wants to speak with his wallet for the betterment of the team. You guys know this. You bash Chief fans all the time for supporting the mediocrity of their orginazation by continuing to sell out games. Remember when the Lions fans did their walkout during a game last year in protest of the horible way the team was being run? In a way it was pointless because they had already paid for their tickets so their protest had no financial impact on the team but their actions spoke loud and because of the attention it received I think they made their point.

[cadencesdad]

While i completely agree with you about that POS leprechaun guy, your bad mouthing of Tim aka Barrel Man is blashemy! Who cares if he switched his alliance to the Broncos. He has been a fan for over 30 years and left the Faiders when they were one of the top teams in the league. He has shown his loyalty to this team through thick and thin. The thread is about "fair weather fans" and he is a HOF fan in Canton. He is there no matter what. His tailgate party with Hat Man Jay are die hard in appearance and welcomes all comers. "Glorified Mascot" isnt a put down to me. If you know the charity work he does while being the "barrel man" speaks volumes of his character. The only attention whore of the two is that leprechaun. I meet this "fan" in Miami after the Super Bowl. At the fan after party, a broncos fan asked him what his most favorite part of the Super Bowl game was for him. Our win? Elway winning the MVP award? Nope. It was seeing himself on the bigscreen! Now that is an attention whore not to mention him pushing people out of the way to get on tv during field goal kicks. Barrel Man is a staple of what passion Broncos fans have. This season so far is a test to that. I guarantee BM will be there win or lose. Next year he will hang up the barrel. If he is an attention whore, do you think he then wont show up for the games?

BTW: The quote thread is adding the previous post that was quoted. While it is nice to see where this lead to, it can be confusing on who wrote what. I am responding to TGNs post. above mine. ****Oakland has the first post that incorrectly puts TGN as the starter. TJ needs to get this thing fixed.


I did not know that about the Leprechaun, as i've only been able to go to Broncos games the last few years, but i've been a fan for over 30. Never talked to him, but he seems to like to get the crowd going. Isn't that the way most of the big ones started though?

That is a BS answer to the favorite part of SB XXXII. Whats my favorite part you ask? Atwater knocking himself unconsious while decapitating whoever that guy was, whos still looking for his teeth. Man he brought the hammer with him for that game!:thumbs:

[Garcia Bronco]

You have no idea what fans are Garcia, just because the town jumps on the Rockies doesn't mean they are fair weather! This town as supported every major and minor team that has come through here, you've been here for what 10 months, you haven't an idea what this city supports.

Get a clue we are a "mid level market" that supports 5 major league teams, Broncos, Avalanche, Nuggets, Rockies and Rapids, not to mention 2 minor league teams and when the product sucks we don't go. That doesn't make us fair weather it makes us SMART.

"Peacachoo 9001"


I am looking for blinded Bronco homerism. You are either on the team or not. Win or Lose they're Diamonds....Diamonds are forever and so are the horsemen!

[broncocalijohn]

Using season tickets or jersey sales or anything financially related is a poor measuring stick to measure how "fair weather/hardcore" a fan is because of the fact that economics is involved. Don't tell me you belive that the amount of money you spend on your football team correlates with how "good" of a fan you are. A hardcore fan can still root for his team in front of his TV set, at a local sports bar, listening to the game on the radio or even following a gamecast on nfl.com. Economics will force a person to make a decision on how to get the best out of his money. If a product is bad, it's not a wise decision financially to continue spending money on that product.

In fact, I think it's the true fan who wants to speak with his wallet for the betterment of the team. You guys know this. You bash Chief fans all the time for supporting the mediocrity of their orginazation by continuing to sell out games. Remember when the Lions fans did their walkout during a game last year in protest of the horible way the team was being run? In a way it was pointless because they had already paid for their tickets so their protest had no financial impact on the team but their actions spoke loud and because of the attention it received I think they made their point.


Nice long explanation. I live in SoCal my whole life. I know about places where i live that we support winners and when they win, we are all over it. But to try to put an economic spin on the Chargers is ludacris. I have awesome seats that should never be available for single games or group tickets like they were 5 years ago. Face it, people are all over the Chargers since they have been winning. I have to sell 9 game sa year for your stadium and i notice when tickets sell and when they are barely in email from someone on purchasing tickets. Mine are Plaza level and low rows. SD fans should want these seats but they decide on purchasing last minute and what the team did the week before. Rams lost their team on a bad product from a horrible owner. You guys do not have that excuse. Chargers havent had the pride and winning like the Broncos but it still is a soft town on support for professional teams.

[boltaneer]

Nice long explanation. I live in SoCal my whole life. I know about places where i live that we support winners and when they win, we are all over it. But to try to put an economic spin on the Chargers is ludacris. I have awesome seats that should never be available for single games or group tickets like they were 5 years ago. Face it, people are all over the Chargers since they have been winning. I have to sell 9 game sa year for your stadium and i notice when tickets sell and when they are barely in email from someone on purchasing tickets. Mine are Plaza level and low rows. SD fans should want these seats but they decide on purchasing last minute and what the team did the week before. Rams lost their team on a bad product from a horrible owner. You guys do not have that excuse. Chargers havent had the pride and winning like the Broncos but it still is a soft town on support for professional teams.

Heh, you little rant just backed up my previous post even more.

Anyway, you're going to believe what you want and there's no changing that so it seems that discussing this with you seems pretty pointless.

[Bronx33]

How many raider fans were charger fans last year?

[gmandret]

I am looking for blinded Bronco homerism. You are either on the team or not. Win or Lose they're Diamonds....Diamonds are forever and so are the horsemen!

I'm a fan forever, that said I am not going to follow if the product gets ****ty over the next few years (which could happen). I've got way to many other things in my life to do or watch or support to watch crappy teams loose week in and week out. Hell we should be 0-5 right now!

[broncocalijohn]

There you have it. Boltaneer says SD is not a bandwagon city. Can you say "Homer". Look up Bandwagon town in the encyclepedia or dictionary. It has your teams as examples. Black outs had to be lifted only when they gave a 24 hour extension. This is when they were starting the season undefeated a few years ago. How do you explain that?

[Rock Chalk]

Man look, there are three types of fans and almost all of them fit into the fair weather category.

1) Homer Die Hard The homer doesn't think logically about things. The media hates his team, the refs have it in for their team, and the league wants them out of football. Their team never gets beat, they beat themselves and are way better than the standings indicate.

2) Realist Die Hard: Realist die hards support their team, usually with the same vigor as a homer, but is more logical and reasoning about things concerning the team. Understands that refs dont care, they get paid to make the right call, that the league wants everyone to be equal so they dont have it in for them, and the media gives attention where attention is due.

3) Fair Weather Fan: see Charger Fans, Indy fans, Tampa fans, Jacksonville fans, Carolina fans, most of Raider nation but in their defense, most of Raider nation is locked up and cant follow the team. Etc.

[Ray Finkle]

Man look, there are three types of fans and almost all of them fit into the fair weather category.

1) Homer Die Hard The homer doesn't think logically about things. The media hates his team, the refs have it in for their team, and the league wants them out of football. Their team never gets beat, they beat themselves and are way better than the standings indicate.

2) Realist Die Hard: Realist die hards support their team, usually with the same vigor as a homer, but is more logical and reasoning about things concerning the team. Understands that refs dont care, they get paid to make the right call, that the league wants everyone to be equal so they dont have it in for them, and the media gives attention where attention is due.

3) Fair Weather Fan: see Charger Fans, Indy fans, Tampa fans, Jacksonville fans, Carolina fans, most of Raider nation but in their defense, most of Raider nation is locked up and cant follow the team. Etc.


Great post...Redskins fans are only #1....

[cadencesdad]

Man look, there are three types of fans and almost all of them fit into the fair weather category.

1) Homer Die Hard The homer doesn't think logically about things. The media hates his team, the refs have it in for their team, and the league wants them out of football. Their team never gets beat, they beat themselves and are way better than the standings indicate.

2) Realist Die Hard: Realist die hards support their team, usually with the same vigor as a homer, but is more logical and reasoning about things concerning the team. Understands that refs dont care, they get paid to make the right call, that the league wants everyone to be equal so they dont have it in for them, and the media gives attention where attention is due.

3) Fair Weather Fan: see Charger Fans, Indy fans, Tampa fans, Jacksonville fans, Carolina fans, most of Raider nation but in their defense, most of Raider nation is locked up and cant follow the team. Etc.


Ah $h!t...I am a homer.:-/

[Hogan11]

Man look, there are four types of fans and almost all of them fit into the fair weather category.

1) Homer Die Hard The homer doesn't think logically about things. The media hates his team, the refs have it in for their team, and the league wants them out of football. Their team never gets beat, they beat themselves and are way better than the standings indicate.

2) Realist Die Hard: Realist die hards support their team, usually with the same vigor as a homer, but is more logical and reasoning about things concerning the team. Understands that refs dont care, they get paid to make the right call, that the league wants everyone to be equal so they dont have it in for them, and the media gives attention where attention is due.

3) Fair Weather Fan: see Charger Fans, Indy fans, Tampa fans, Jacksonville fans, Carolina fans, most of Raider nation but in their defense, most of Raider nation is locked up and cant follow the team. Etc.

4) The Two Team Fan: Self-explaintory. Fans who have another team(s), usually in the other conference, that they can run off to when the going gets tough. Usually weakly justified by bullshat reasons ranging from location to player personality cults. These "fans" are about the lowest of the low

There....I fixed it up for you.

[Orange_Beard]

Denver is a die hard football town. The other teams are after thoughts.
A couple of years ago the Avs were on a cup run, I remeber listining to 950, all people wan't to talk about was the Broncos.

If Detroit is hockeytown, Denver is Football town.

[Sassy]

The Two Team Fan: Self-explaintory. Fans who have another team(s), usually in the other conference, that they can run off to when the going gets tough. Usually weakly justified by bullshat reasons ranging from location to player personality cults. These "fans" are about the lowest of the low

:thumbs:

[Iron Jaw]

I was reading on ESPN today and a lot of fans were saying Colorado has the worse fair weather fans in the Nation. Obviously I disagree.8') We supported the Rockies for a few years after the playoffs, and I'm sure now a lot of fans have returned until another 10 years of futility returns. The Nuggets were supported, untill the team went into a coma. How do you guys feel.:thanku:

The Broncos didn't have a winning season in the first 13-years of existance. The fans stuck by them. Of course, Bronco fans have always been amongst the most critical. I remember going to a game in 1970 (I was 14 at the time), a season the Broncos were hot out of the gate with a 4-1 record. Canadian League transfer, Pete Liske was the starting QB that season. But after that quick start, that included a win over the rugged Chiefs, the Broncos slowed down. I attended the Redskin game that season. When the players and coaches were being introduced, noone in the stadium was booed more than Coach Lou Saban. Except one player - but he wasn't announced during pre-game. Liske was banged up and injured on a play. Enter, Steve Tensi. Only Steve Tensi received more boos than Saban. The Broncos couldn't generate any offense that day and lost 19-3.

Anyway, despite the loss, the Broncos were still 4-3......and at that time, 4-3 was amazing. But the fans wanted more. Unfortunately, the team went 5-8-1 that season (actually, it tied the second best record the team had had in their history to that point).

I remember the following season, when the Broncos tied the powerful Miami Dolphins 10-10 in the season opener. The Broncos actually had a chance to go for the win, but Saban chose to run out the clock. After the game, he made the statement that "half a loaf of bread is better than none." And earned his nickname, "Half a loaf Lou." And the following home game, Bronco fans began tossing half-loaves of bread at Lou when he ran onto the field.

Harsh with the coaches, team.......no doubt. And the opponents at times......remembering the hardware that used to fly out of the south stands towards the opposition's bench.

But Bronco fans do support the team through thick and thin. Since 1973 when the Broncos posted their first-ever winning record at 7-5-2, it's been mostly thick. Denver has only had five seasons under .500 in the last 34 seasons. We fans are used to winning and always thinking there is a chance at the playoffs or Superbowl. I'll never forget that 1990 season when the Broncos went 5-11 with a competitive team. Or the 7-9 Wade Phillips team. Or the 1999 season when Elway-less Denver went 6-10.

This team is 2-3. The team seems to be moving the ball well between the 20's but stinks in the redzone. Is this team headed for a 5-11 season......or will the team get squared away? The defense has not been performing, that's for sure. Can Shanny get the team turned around? The AFC West leader have 3-3 records. That means, the possibility of a 9-7 division champion. Noone in the division is out of the race.

Anyway, I never believed in "tanking" a season. Always a trickle of hope for a playoff team. I just finished coaching a Fall baseball team here in AZ, 12-13 year old league. We started off miserably, losing our first seven games. But I never gave up on the kids. We won eight of our last nine and finished with a respectable 8-8 record.

And this Bronco fan remembers the day when we simply dreamed of acheiving a .500 record. No fair-weather fan here.

[Blart]

You don't think the media hates Denver? How many players do we have in the HOF again?

[TailgateNut]

While i completely agree with you about that POS leprechaun guy, your bad mouthing of Tim aka Barrel Man is blashemy! Who cares if he switched his alliance to the Broncos. He has been a fan for over 30 years and left the Faiders when they were one of the top teams in the league. He has shown his loyalty to this team through thick and thin. The thread is about "fair weather fans" and he is a HOF fan in Canton. He is there no matter what. His tailgate party with Hat Man Jay are die hard in appearance and welcomes all comers. "Glorified Mascot" isnt a put down to me. If you know the charity work he does while being the "barrel man" speaks volumes of his character. The only attention whore of the two is that leprechaun. I meet this "fan" in Miami after the Super Bowl. At the fan after party, a broncos fan asked him what his most favorite part of the Super Bowl game was for him. Our win? Elway winning the MVP award? Nope. It was seeing himself on the bigscreen! Now that is an attention whore not to mention him pushing people out of the way to get on tv during field goal kicks. Barrel Man is a staple of what passion Broncos fans have. This season so far is a test to that. I guarantee BM will be there win or lose. Next year he will hang up the barrel. If he is an attention whore, do you think he then wont show up for the games?

BTW: The quote thread is adding the previous post that was quoted. While it is nice to see where this lead to, it can be confusing on who wrote what. I am responding to TGNs post. above mine. ****Oakland has the first post that incorrectly puts TGN as the starter. TJ needs to get this thing fixed.


Everyone has an "opinion". Mine stands as previously stated. Jay is ok by me, but the other two could fall off the face of the earth and I wouldn't loose any sleep.

[defenseman]

There....I fixed it up for you.

There is no law against rooting for two teams. Why denograte an individual who does such? Nothing wrong with it at all...dman

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm a fan forever, that said I am not going to follow if the product gets ****ty over the next few years (which could happen). I've got way to many other things in my life to do or watch or support to watch crappy teams loose week in and week out. Hell we should be 0-5 right now!

ahhh you're killing me. You're killing Garcia Bronco.


Btw, the girl I am taking to the game is checking out my place first. :))

[orange 4 life]

Spoiled too.

thats the big one i see, and its MOSTLY from the transplants and youngsters, and it can of course be attributed to the '97 and '98 broncos and the '01 avs.

these people forget the DECADES in which we didnt HAVE a baseball or hockey team and the broncos and nuggets couldnt bring home a championship.
hell, in '77 after LOSING the superbowl (and turning the ball over SIX times in the 1st HALF) the THOUSANDS of fans waiting for the team sang "we love you broncos" to show their appreciation.
tom jackson recalls the 1st time he heard the fans boo, and it was towards the END of his career.
he also recalls (with tears in his eyes) the reception that '77 team got.

yes, its not '77 anymore, but maybe if more people knew their history then more people could appreciate just having winning teams in this town.
every organization will have its ups and downs, and the true fans are there for both. just my .02

[TailgateNut]

thats the big one i see, and its MOSTLY from the transplants and youngsters, and it can of course be attributed to the '97 and '98 broncos and the '01 avs.

these people forget the DECADES in which we didnt HAVE a baseball or hockey team and the broncos and nuggets couldnt bring home a championship.
hell, in '77 after LOSING the superbowl (and turning the ball over SIX times in the 1st HALF) the THOUSANDS of fans waiting for the team sang "we love you broncos" to show their appreciation.
tom jackson recalls the 1st time he heard the fans boo, and it was towards the END of his career.
he also recalls (with tears in his eyes) the reception that '77 team got.

yes, its not '77 anymore, but maybe if more people knew their history then more people could appreciate just having winning teams in this town.
every organization will have its ups and downs, and the true fans are there for both. just my .02


Yeah, but when you call out some of the trends, some of the "new fans" think of us as "idiots" and "dumbasses".

Most of them didn't even know the Broncos existed before '98!

[Rock Chalk]

I personally love how Hogan has the audacity to criticize someone for rooting for two teams.

I cheer the Texans on. I dont buy any of their products, but I cheer them on, I want to see Kubiak do well. Yeah, so what? Im a casual fan of the texans.

And Hogan will call me all kinds of names for it. He, like every other asshole who thinks their definition of fan is the only one and the only way to be a fan can kiss my ass. These people are no different than religious zealouts who believe their way is the only way and every must be made to think like them. As low as your local democrat as far as I am concerned. I hold Hogan in contempt for his views on fanship and for his taste in music.

[TailgateNut]

I personally love how Hogan has the audacity to criticize someone for rooting for two teams.

I cheer the Texans on. I dont buy any of their products, but I cheer them on, I want to see Kubiak do well. Yeah, so what? Im a casual fan of the texans.

And Hogan will call me all kinds of names for it. He, like every other a-hole who thinks their definition of fan is the only one and the only way to be a fan can kiss my ass. These people are no different than religious zealouts who believe their way is the only way and every must be made to think like them. As low as your local democrat as far as I am concerned. I hold Hogan in contempt for his views on fanship and for his taste in music.


Two faced!
I should have known you have a "second team in the wings"! ,,,and you have the audacity to call me out.

You know if you pick a few more, you could always root for a winner!ROFL!

[Ambiguous]

Are you people crazy?!?!?!
NO. Colorado does not have the worst fair weather fans.
BY far the worst in not only the nation, but the WORLD
is here in sunny Socal!!
No where else will you find "fans" filing out of the arena during
a Stanley Cup playoff game so they can,
"beat the traffic" or "get the kids to bed"
No other area in general has lost 2 NFL teams because of lack of
support, with a 3rd that when sucks is always rumored to be leaving
for "greener pastures"
No, No. please relax in COL. Everythings OK. Trust me on this one, you guys
are alright.
Here in SOCAL, you can still see the dust outlines of the bolt stickers that were ripped off after the sad defeat last year on all of the back windows of all the SUVs of fairweather fans that grow in mass here every year.............right on time!

This man speaks the truth...I've lived in San Diego for almost seven years now, and up until about two years ago it was rare to see Chargers logos anywhere. The past two years they are all over the place.

[broncocalijohn]

To those that think Hogan is calling out two way players, you didnt read the whole paragraph to #4 fair weather fans. He stated that you have two teams and abandon one for the other when times get tough with your main team aka Broncos. I personally dont think having two teams in two different conferences is bad. I used to have the Rams as my 2nd team as they are WERE my local team. I remember one week near the end of October, I was at Anaheim stadium rooting on the Rams with a carved out pumpkin with the Rams horns on the side. Two weeks later, Broncos came to town and was in the middle of 60 Broncos fans in the endzone. I would watch the Rams in person anytime it didnt affect me missing the Broncos. Alec, you are just off your rocker. You are an angry guy who now has a kid to worry about. Save your energy and get some sleep. Then again, you havent changed since before the kid came. BTW: Rams can go F themselves since they left Orange County. Hope I am right on Hogan on this one.

[broncocalijohn]

This man speaks the truth...I've lived in San Diego for almost seven years now, and up until about two years ago it was rare to see Chargers logos anywhere. The past two years they are all over the place.


Dont let Boltaneer, our Charger troll, to see this one. Go back a page or two and see how he defends his San Diego fans as he claims they are not fair weather. He is so blinded that he doesnt realize that not only are they but probably one of the worst of the fair weather fans.

[orange 4 life]

It does happen all over. I see it when I go to a CU game and they are having a rough season. Empty seats, sh*tty attitudes, same goes for the Av games and Rockies games. I saw some of the highligts of the Rockies game on TV this morning, noticed that the place was packed. When has that ever happened? And all of those people will say "Ive been supporting the rockies ALL THIS TIME" :)

the rockies led the league in attendance LOOOOOONG after the losing started.
in fact, the rockies led the league in attendance until ownership made it CRYSTAL clear that saving money was more important than winning ball games.

even now, i find myself in a bit of a quandary.

its been REALLY fun to watch this run, but at the same time, i STILL hate the ownership and management (o'dowd and hurdle included, though both are nice PEOPLE, but not good managers), and i fear that this season will allow them to justify alot of future pathetic cheap moves.

still, these PLAYERS deserve all the support theyre getting, so its fun to see.

...and who knows, maybe ownership will see how DESPERATELY our many LOYAL fans just wanted a winner.
not an every year world series winner, but a COMPETITIVE team.

again, we showed up in droves through MANY losing seasons, and all most of us ask is that they make an effort to put a good team on the field.

we have alot of SPOILED fans, but the word "bandwagon" generally does NOT apply to colorado fans.

jake

[orange 4 life]

You have no idea what fans are Garcia, just because the town jumps on the Rockies doesn't mean they are fair weather! This town as supported every major and minor team that has come through here, you've been here for what 10 months, you haven't an idea what this city supports.

Get a clue we are a "mid level market" that supports 5 major league teams, Broncos, Avalanche, Nuggets, Rockies and Rapids, not to mention 2 minor league teams and when the product sucks we don't go. That doesn't make us fair weather it makes us SMART.

"Peacachoo 9001"

okay, sorry to split hairs here, but the rapids isnt a "major league" team.

honestly, i think arena league is a bigger draw AND a more relevant sport (in these parts) than soccer.

[orange 4 life]

LA fans.

oxymoron?

[orange 4 life]

Been through this before more times as I care to count, I don't know how many times me and JasoninLA have to continually fight against this misconception that LA is full of bandwagoners. If you go south of LA where Anaheim and San Diego is, there is your bandwagoners. Not Los Angeles. LA Kings, Dodgers, Lakers have been around for awhile and continually sell out tickets and our College programs there always get support. If you are going to call LA fans fairweather, cite some ****ing statistics, otherwise cram it.

facts....and opinions

the kings and dodgers arent league leaders in attendance, and dont sell out all their games (not even close)- fact

the lakers have a long history of success, and its the "en vogue" thing to support them.- opinion

how about them clippers? theyre L.A. too right?- fact

and college? really?
cant tell ya how many half empty USC games i went to as a kid.- fact

TWO pro football teams left, neither of which was selling out games- fact

the greater los angeles area is about SEVENTEEN MILLION people, which means there are more people in L.A. than colorado, utah, wyoming, north dakota, south dakota, new mexico, and montana.........combined.- fact

with that many people, there is no reason those teams shouldnt have MUCH more passionate followings.- opinion

los angeles is the armpit of the country.- fact.....okay, i guess thats an opinion, but ive been forced to live there (watts, venice, thousand oaks) so its an EDUCATED opinion.

im glad those of you there like it. sorry i bashed your town. ill come every once in awhile and spend my tourist dollars at disneyland, magic mountain, and one of my favorite places on earth, catalina island.

jake

[orange 4 life]

BTW: the wave is a Soccer thinghy, IMO!


the wave was a "MILE HIGH" staple back in the day of the barrel man and that leprechan fella[/QUOTE]

....and it still is now.

....and we still make alot of noise.

.....and there's still alot of orange.

for Gods sake people, it was ONE GAME, and it was the worst home loss since '66, which was close to a decade before the home sellout streak even started.

i stayed till the bitter end, but many other (diehard) fans couldnt bear it, and i can understand. yeah, the bandwagoners left early too (just earlIER), but not everyone who left was bandwagon. worst home loss EVER (considering the talent level which is over DOUBLE what it was in '66) and rainy 40 degree weather on top of it all.
thats what we're gonna use to judge?
gimme a freaking break.

[broncocalijohn]

Orange 4 life, you facts on Dodgers and Kings not selling out is false. Compare their attendance stats as it is one of the tops. Add Angels in there too with over 30 sellouts last year. During SC lean years, there were 60k in the stadium. Half empty is because they do not use the whole stadium based on formation. Was there empty seats? Sure. But Ted Tollner was coach. Good enough reason for no shows.

[orange 4 life]

I personally love how Hogan has the audacity to criticize someone for rooting for two teams.

I cheer the Texans on. I dont buy any of their products, but I cheer them on, I want to see Kubiak do well. Yeah, so what? Im a casual fan of the texans.

And Hogan will call me all kinds of names for it. He, like every other a-hole who thinks their definition of fan is the only one and the only way to be a fan can kiss my ass. These people are no different than religious zealouts who believe their way is the only way and every must be made to think like them. As low as your local republican as far as I am concerned. I hold Hogan in contempt for his views on fanship and for his taste in music.

i fixed the one obvious misprint. ;D

here's the thing buddy.
CASUALLY rooting for a second team is one thing. heck, having REAL roots for a couple teams is even kinda justifiable.

what he is referring to is something VASTLY different and something im sure you'd agree is pretty annoying, and thats the fan that jumps BLINDLY between a few teams SOLELY based on whether or not the team is winning and IGNORES the team that is losing.
thats MUCH different than what youre talking about.

[orange 4 life]

To those that think Hogan is calling out two way players, you didnt read the whole paragraph to #4 fair weather fans. He stated that you have two teams and abandon one for the other when times get tough with your main team aka Broncos. I personally dont think having two teams in two different conferences is bad. I used to have the Rams as my 2nd team as they are WERE my local team.

me too.
not NEAR as much as the broncos, but i'd still pull for 'em.
now that i think about it, i even occasionally wore the youngblood jersey as a kid on the rare occasions when my mom made me take off my #44 jersey to wash it!!

[boltaneer]

Dont let Boltaneer, our Charger troll, to see this one. Go back a page or two and see how he defends his San Diego fans as he claims they are not fair weather. He is so blinded that he doesnt realize that not only are they but probably one of the worst of the fair weather fans.

I want you to show me that quote where I said that.

I said that:

a) There are a large number of transplants and non-natives here in San Diego and in California as well.

b) From what I've seen over the years, the transplants have a tendency to jump on the bandwagon here.

c) You see fair weather behavior from fans everywhere. And I'm not saying that Charger fans are excluded from this. I never once said that in this discussion.

d) This behavior is something that is not exclusive to football or sports. This is something we see in all walks of life. It's how people behave in our pop-culture society.

e) Using season tickets is a poor example to measure a hardcore/bandwagon fan. I can still be a hardcore fan and spend every free moment I have following the team, reading message boards, listening to talk radio, etc. but not attend the game.

Personally, I think the whole bandwagon fan argument is completely stupid. Hardcore fans like us tend to hate them because they don't endure the suffering that we do when our team is poor. But I don't understand that thinking. To me, those people are not the hardcore football fan like I am so why should I expect them to be one when they're not?

The perfect example is with the Rockies right now. I see a lot of excitement on this board from a number of people some of who aren't real big baseball fans but they're caught up in the excitement of what is going on in their city, especially since the Broncos are playing like garbage this year. I'm the same way with the Padres. I'll go to a few games here and there and whatnot but I'm in no way a big baseball fan. But if the Padres have a pennant chase or make it to the post-season, I enjoy the excitement that the city is feeling. So yeah, you can call me a bandwagon Padre fan. It doesn't bother me one bit because I know I'm not a hardcore baseball fan. It's just something that's new, fun and exciting to take part of, if someone chooses to do so. And I see it going on with the Rockies, just as it happens with any other professional sports team.

[orange 4 life]

Orange 4 life, you facts on Dodgers and Kings not selling out is false. Compare their attendance stats as it is one of the tops. Add Angels in there too with over 30 sellouts last year. During SC lean years, there were 60k in the stadium. Half empty is because they do not use the whole stadium based on formation. Was there empty seats? Sure. But Ted Tollner was coach. Good enough reason for no shows.

im talking even BEFORE ted tollner, but thanks for that sh!tty memory!! :giggle:

yeah, i know the stadium setup, and there were STILL always empty seats.
hey, im STILL an SC fan (a big one i might add), but the fact is that when we were in the stands singing "alright now" we were doing it with alot of empty seats around us. notre dame and ucla were sellouts, but not the washingtons, stanfords, etc.
even during some good years (robinson teams, rodney peete era, todd marijuanavich) there were empty seats. heck, HOMECOMING didnt always sell out!!

as for the dodgers and kings, they do okay, and to this day i pull for the dodgers along with the rockies.
we didnt have a baseball or hockey team here when i was a kid, so i defaulted to the dodgers and kings. used to go to dodgers games a TON in high school and college, and NEVER got tickets ahead of time. just walked up to the gates and bought for face value (or less) from a scalper, and that was '88 when we won a world series!!
with the kings, i remember the awesome purple and yellow uni's and marcel dionne and my favorite player tiger williams......i ALSO remember alot of empty seats.....until gretzky showed up.

when those two teams win, theyre NEAR the top in attendance, and when they lose, theyre in the middle.
not bad, but not great considering you have more people in metro LA than we have in all the rocky mountain STATES.
hardly impressive when thats factored in.

[Hogan11]

I personally love how Hogan has the audacity to criticize someone for rooting for two teams.

I cheer the Texans on. I dont buy any of their products, but I cheer them on, I want to see Kubiak do well. Yeah, so what? Im a casual fan of the texans.

And Hogan will call me all kinds of names for it. He, like every other a-hole who thinks their definition of fan is the only one and the only way to be a fan can kiss my ass. These people are no different than religious zealouts who believe their way is the only way and every must be made to think like them. As low as your local democrat as far as I am concerned. I hold Hogan in contempt for his views on fanship and for his taste in music.

Well, well, well.....it appears that I have hit a nerve with some here concerning my views on the two team thing (which BTW have been well documented on here since my arrival in 2002) Not much I can say about it other than well.....if the shoe fits, deal with it.

I will say the need of some to justify and rationalize their split loyalities has been somewhat amusing, but it does nothing to alter my view on the subject, which still stands as it always has. Incidently, for a laugh I checked my rep thinking I'd have a few neg reps in there only to find 7 positive reps from that post alone...so it appears I'm far from alone in feeling the way I do about it.

[24champ]

Orange 4 life, you facts on Dodgers and Kings not selling out is false. Compare their attendance stats as it is one of the tops. Add Angels in there too with over 30 sellouts last year. During SC lean years, there were 60k in the stadium. Half empty is because they do not use the whole stadium based on formation. Was there empty seats? Sure. But Ted Tollner was coach. Good enough reason for no shows.

Yup, even in the crappy years in the 90s for the Dodgers when Newscorp destroyed Dodger baseball it still was tops in the league in attendance.

[24champ]

with the kings, i remember the awesome purple and yellow uni's and marcel dionne and my favorite player tiger williams......i ALSO remember alot of empty seats.....until gretzky showed up.


Actually there was a couple seasons where the Kings actually beat or came close to beating the friggin Lakers in the 70s who were the hottest ticket in town then obviously. But kudos to you for remembering Tiger Williams.

[broncocalijohn]

Seems Hogan and Alec will have some fun at the Houston tailgate coming later this year. My money is on Hogan bringing a Texan jersey to Alec and Alec throwing it back at his face with more vulgar than the kid from CHRISTMAS STORY movie. WIsh i could see this.
Sorry Hogan, but I am one who had Broncos first and always and Rams on my back burner. Never wavered and stayed loyal to the Broncos which never interfered with the Rams. Cant see a problem with it and having loyalty to your "home" team from another conference and still stay true blue to the Broncos. At least now I am no longer that Lamb fan. Now there is a team that is worse than the Broncos.

[Hogan11]

Seems Hogan and Alec will have some fun at the Houston tailgate coming later this year. My money is on Hogan bringing a Texan jersey to Alec and Alec throwing it back at his face with more vulgar than the kid from CHRISTMAS STORY movie. WIsh i could see this.

Nah, we're alright. We have more differences of opinion on a wide range of subjects than most I think and it makes no difference at all when gametime rolls around. I'm actually looking forward to seeing him again and toasting to his new arrival in real time.

Sorry Hogan, but I am one who had Broncos first and always and Rams on my back burner. Never wavered and stayed loyal to the Broncos which never interfered with the Rams. Cant see a problem with it and having loyalty to your "home" team from another conference and still stay true blue to the Broncos. At least now I am no longer that Lamb fan. Now there is a team that is worse than the Broncos.

You know, I've been to more Saints games in NOLA than anywhere else (I'm still three away from a tie with Mile High). It'd be easy for me to go the "that's my 2nd/NFC team route" with them, but I refuse to because I don't believe in splitting my loyalities in the slightest. I don't believe in adultery, polygamy or dual citizenship with another country.....to me, having two teams in any sport is the same exact thing as those things. I make no apologies for feeling that way and I'm certainly not sorry if people take issue with it. To me, it's their problem, not mine.

[Meck77]

I don't believe in adultery, polygamy or dual citizenship with another country.....to me, having two teams in any sport is the same exact thing as those things. I make no apologies for feeling that way and I'm certainly not sorry if people take issue with it. To me, it's their problem, not mine.

Not into threesomes eh?Ha!

[Sassy]

Nah, we're alright. We have more differences of opinion on a wide range of subjects than most I think and it makes no difference at all when gametime rolls around. I'm actually looking forward to seeing him again and toasting to his new arrival in real time.



You know, I've been to more Saints games in NOLA than anywhere else (I'm still three away from a tie with Mile High). It'd be easy for me to go the "that's my 2nd/NFC team route" with them, but I refuse to because I don't believe in splitting my loyalities in the slightest. I don't believe in adultery, polygamy or dual citizenship with another country.....to me, having two teams in any sport is the same exact thing as those things. I make no apologies for feeling that way and I'm certainly not sorry if people take issue with it. To me, it's their problem, not mine.

Good to know! :wiggle: