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Bronco Bob
10-08-2007, 11:15 AM
Rep. Ron Paul: I advocate the same foreign policy the Founding Fathers would

By RON PAUL

Any response to this paper's Friday editorial on my foreign policy position must rest on two fundamental assertions: first, that the Founding Fathers were not isolationists; and second, that their political philosophy -- the wisdom of the Constitution, the Declaration, and our Revolution itself -- is not just a primitive cultural relic.

If I understand the editors' concerns, I have not been accused of deviating from the Founders' logic; if anything I have been accused of adhering to it too strictly. The question, therefore, before readers -- and soon voters -- is the same question I have asked for almost 20 years in Congress: by what superior wisdom have we now declared Jefferson, Washington, and Madison to be "unrealistic and dangerous"? Why do we insist on throwing away their most considered warnings?

A non-interventionist foreign policy is not an isolationist foreign policy. It is quite the opposite. Under a Paul administration, the United States would trade freely with any nation that seeks to engage with us. American citizens would be encouraged to visit other countries and interact with other peoples rather than be told by their own government that certain countries are off limits to them.

American citizens would be allowed to spend their hard-earned money wherever they wish across the globe, not told that certain countries are under embargo and thus off limits. An American trade policy would encourage private American businesses to seek partners overseas and engage them in trade. The hostility toward American citizens overseas in the wake of our current foreign policy has actually made it difficult if not dangerous for Americans to travel abroad. Is this not an isolationist consequence from a policy of aggressive foreign interventionism?

It is not we non-interventionists who are isolationsists. The real isolationists are those who impose sanctions and embargoes on countries and peoples across the globe because they disagree with the internal and foreign policies of their leaders. The real isolationists are those who choose to use force overseas to promote democracy, rather than seek change through diplomacy, engagement, and by setting a positive example.

I do not believe that ideas have an expiration date, or that their value can be gauged by their novelty. The test for new and old is that of wisdom and experience, or as the editors wrote "historical reality," which argues passionately now against the course of anti-Constitutional interventionism.

A Paul administration would see Americans engaged overseas like never before, in business and cultural activities. But a Paul administration would never attempt to export democracy or other values at the barrel of a gun, as we have seen over and over again that this is a counterproductive approach that actually leads the United States to be resented and more isolated in the world.

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is running for the Republican presidential nomination.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Rep.+Ron+Paul%3a+I+advocate+ the+same+foreign+policy+the+Founding+Fathers+would&articleId=cc287b0f-941c-4b07-88e9-9e992810f700

REB
10-08-2007, 02:09 PM
Tell it like it is Dr. Paul :thumbsup:

Rohirrim
10-08-2007, 09:55 PM
I beginning to think I'm in Wonderland. Giuliani is actually running on the interventionist/preemptive war platform as a key element of his campaign. I mean, that is about as anti-conservative as you can get. Eight years ago, Bush ran on the exact opposite of this concept and got selected by the Supr... I mean elected by the Republicans. Now, it's the exact opposite stance and the Repugs are all nodding like, "Yep. We've always supported intervention and nation building." That's some Twilight Zone ****.

baja
10-08-2007, 10:01 PM
I beginning to think I'm in Wonderland. Giuliani is actually running on the interventionist/preemptive war platform as a key element of his campaign. I mean, that is about as anti-conservative as you can get. Eight years ago, Bush ran on the exact opposite of this concept and got selected by the Supr... I mean elected by the Republicans. Now, it's the exact opposite stance and the Repugs are all nodding like, "Yep. We've always supported intervention and nation building." That's some Twilight Zone ****.

It's like a dream, will I awaken soon?

Bronco Bob
10-09-2007, 01:46 AM
I beginning to think I'm in Wonderland. Giuliani is actually running on the interventionist/preemptive war platform as a key element of his campaign. I mean, that is about as anti-conservative as you can get. Eight years ago, Bush ran on the exact opposite of this concept and got selected by the Supr... I mean elected by the Republicans. Now, it's the exact opposite stance and the Repugs are all nodding like, "Yep. We've always supported intervention and nation building." That's some Twilight Zone ****.

Giuliano actually has several neo-cons working on his campaign staff,
including the guy who founded the neo-con movement. That's the
neo-con's whole philosophy, intervention.

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They are officially known as Rudy Giuliani's senior foreign policy advisory board, but they also could be dubbed something else: Neocons For Rudy.

As in neoconservatives, the Republican faction that many see as among the most potent forces of Bush-era Washington - a well-funded, sharply analytical bunch that provided the ideological basis for invading Iraq and is now training its cross hairs on Iran.

Many of its leaders now see Giuliani as the made-to-order candidate, or at least the best chance to perpetuate their influence, experts say.

"Everything is still fluid. But I do think Giuliani is picking up a good bit of neoconservative support," said Peter Steinfels, co-director of the Fordham University Center on Religion and Culture and the author of "The Neoconservatives."

That should come as no surprise given the history of the movement, Giuliani's record as mayor and his White House candidacy, experts add.

Giuliani's neocon roster includes Norman Podhoretz, a founding father of the movement; Charles Hill, a former foreign policy official for President Ronald Reagan and early backer of invading Iraq; Martin Kramer, an expert on Islam at Harvard University and staunch defender of Israel, and Daniel Pipes, director of the hawkish Middle East Forum.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/16/2007-09-16_neocon_hawks_go_allout_for_giuliani.html
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Basically if you liked George W. Bush's foreign policy adventures, you are going to love Rudy's.

Bronco Bob
10-09-2007, 01:59 AM
More stuff from Rudy's foreign policy advisor.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/01/podhoretz-bush-iran-attack/



{I'm not even going to add my signature to this one, because if Rudy gets in
it will be the beginning of an even bigger error}

Taco John
10-09-2007, 02:26 AM
Donate to Dr. Paul's campaign... Whether you agree with his politics or not, we can all agree on the Constitution, and he's got a track record as a Champion of the Constitution. Progressives who are concerned about corporate influence in government can take solace in the fact that they won't even visit his office -- they already know the answer is no (they say Dr. Paul is so skinny because he won't let the special interests buy him lunch ;) ). Best of all, his campaign is completely funded by people. You want to know who a politician will work the hardest for -- just look at who their campaign was funded by.

Ron Paul needs the help of people on both side of the aisle to get this country back on the framer's rails.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

REB
10-09-2007, 04:11 PM
New Ron Paul video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7TYPJnfMY&sdig=1