Jay Cutler

[Xenos]

I figure I start the weekly Cutler thread before anyone else. Leave your rants and such here.

As a Charger fan, I will say that despite his down day, Cutler is going to be something special. The kid has fire in his belly, and if anyone says otherwise, just post that video of him chewing out Clark. Right now, however, he needs Walker back and a little more seasoning, but he's going to be good, possibly great. Just give it more time and patience.

Anyways, see you guys in the Christmas thread (figuratively of course, I'll still be here to annoy you with my lame comments).

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Yep, this year is about Cutler taking his lumps. This season has always been about '08.* I just wish Shanny would open it up some in the redzone and let Jay learn. There are pieces there, just huge holes in other places.

*I've thought this since last spring, this might be the first time I've posted it though.

[telluride]

Cutler is the least of this team's any problems. He's a bright spot.

[LonghornBronco]

I saw glimpses of majic today... but, also saw a few things he could work on;

1. Throwing off his back foot.... ughhh!
2. Throwing late outs. He's a little cocky with that arm..

Those are things that can be fixed so I'm still high on the young man. I really liked him showing some fire today.. I was worried that his time at Vandy got him accustomed to "moral" victories and was worried by his aww shucks we lost again attitude.

[AtlantaBronco]

What happened today wasn't Cutler's fault.

[frerottenextelway]

He played well when the game was competitive (like 14 of 19). Then played poorly once it got out of control. He was one of the few with any passion, and worthwhile out there.

[Dukes]

Cutler is not perfect, but he's the last person anyone should be pointing a finger at. I'd start with Shanny and move right on down with the rest of the coaching staff.

[OrangeShadow]

What happened today wasn't Cutler's fault.

QFT

[sketch]

I missed Cutler chewing out Clark. Was that after his fumble on the kickoff return? I too was somewhat worried about his laid back attitude. I think Cutler has tons of talent but I want to see him be a leader vocally and through his play.

[ScottXray]

Cutler has passion and wants to compete..unlike most of our defense.

the real effort I saw out there today came from Sheffler, Cutler, Marshall, Dumerville and a few other second year men..

All the Main vets but Lynch packed it in...they don't deserve to be in the NFL.
Shanahan needs to take a look in the mirror if he is going to call anyone out....HE chose the coaches on this team, and HE is responsible for the effort.

I just hope he doesn't ruin or get Cutler hurt before he gets this corrected.

Right now he could kill the kids ability by mentally screwing him up.

[RhymesayersDU]

Cutler chewed out Clark late in the game when he slipped and missed a pass.

[frerottenextelway]

I missed Cutler chewing out Clark. Was that after his fumble on the kickoff return? I too was somewhat worried about his laid back attitude. I think Cutler has tons of talent but I want to see him be a leader vocally and through his play.

Clark slipped on his pattern that would've been a TD (or down at the 1) and Cutler let him have it.

[Xenos]

I missed Cutler chewing out Clark. Was that after his fumble on the kickoff return? I too was somewhat worried about his laid back attitude. I think Cutler has tons of talent but I want to see him be a leader vocally and through his play.

It was late in the game, maybe at the beginning of the 4th quarter when Broncos were down by 20 something points. That's another sign of a good QB, because despite the huge lead, he never lost his fire against the face of adversity.

[sketch]

thanks guys. must have been one of the many times I was walking around trying not to throw something at the tv.

[Bronco Yoda]

Cutler played ok. I still think he's above the curve.

Look at all the drops out there. And lets give the chargers some credit. They were flat out hitting and never let up.

[eddie mac]

Certainly wasn't one of Marshall's better games. That fumble down at their 9 meant lights out. He's young though and has to learn to carry that ball better than a loaf of bread.

[Popps]

Cutler looks like he needs coaching. He still throws off his back foot. He still makes fundamental mistakes.

Yes, for god's sake.. I know he's young.

What I'm saying is that I don't think he's being coached very well. He just looks junky out there. I've been asking who our QB coach is for a while. Anyone know? He needs to be fired, whoever it is.

Jay has the tools, but he's getting into some sloppy ****ing habits.

[SureShot]

QBs play better when their #1 wr is in the game. We miss Walker.

[Donk]

Cutler looks like he needs coaching. He still throws off his back foot. He still makes fundamental mistakes.

Yes, for god's sake.. I know he's young.

What I'm saying is that I don't think he's being coached very well. He just looks junky out there. I've been asking who our QB coach is for a while. Anyone know? He needs to be fired, whoever it is.

Jay has the tools, but he's getting into some sloppy ****ing habits.


Mike Heimerdinger - Assistant Head Coach/Quarterbacks

[bpc]

We have absolutely no leadership on the field for this team. Zip on offense, zero on defense. NONE.

Remedy that and it will be surprising how fast this team turns around.

Leadership can be explained as making a big play in the clutch, doing your job, raising the play of your teamates or inspiring the team overall. Leadership is needed particularly on the front lines of both units of our team.

Until we fix this problem, we will not contend for anything.

As stated in previous threads, Cutler is not exempt from this. He needs to pick up his play. If that means being perfect and not lobbing a pop-fly ball into the center of the field, Jake Plummer style, so be it.

Cutler needs to pick up his game. He isn't contributing to the problems as much as some units but he can help swing the gate the other way. We need to improve in all area's. Cutler is included in that mix.

I felt for the first two and a half quarters he played great football. It was that last few minutes of the 3rd quarter and on where he can pick up his game.

[Garcia Bronco]

QBs play better when their #1 wr is in the game. We miss Walker.

When you add it up we've had a ton of injuries.

[sgbfan]

Anyone who thinks Cutler is a problem isn't watching the games. There was one bad play that I saw, the int. That might have been a bad decision to throw into coverage, but Marshall broke off of his route, and it made Cutler look like a fool. Now he might have been a fool, but if there were no miscue, and Marshall didn't break his route, at worst it is an incomplete pass with Marshall breaking up the interception. And its not Cutlers fault if his recievers can't make easy first down catches on perfect passes (Selvin Young).

[frerottenextelway]

Anyone who thinks Cutler is a problem isn't watching the games. There was one bad play that I saw, the int. That might have been a bad decision to throw into coverage, but Marshall broke off of his route, and it made Cutler look like a fool. Now he might have been a fool, but if there were no miscue, and Marshall didn't break his route, at worst it is an incomplete pass with Marshall breaking up the interception. And its not Cutlers fault if his recievers can't make easy first down catches on perfect passes (Selvin Young).

It was a 4 score game at that point. I just can't blame any QB for forcing a bad ball in those situations (and I said that before for a Plummer INT too). When the game was competitive, the team let JC down, not the other way around.

You can see the offense is close to getting it fixed and there is heart on that side of the ball. On D, we just got a total freaking mess that it's hard to see anything promising in the near future.

[sgbfan]

It was a 4 score game at that point. I just can't blame any QB for forcing a bad ball in those situations (and I said that before for a Plummer INT too). When the game was competitive, the team let JC down, not the other way around.

You can see the offense is close to getting it fixed and there is heart on that side of the ball. On D, we just got a total freaking mess that it's hard to see anything promising in the near future.

I agree.

[GoBroncos0838]

Mike Heimerdinger is one of our major problems... you don't get canned from the Jets for no reason. When Heimerdinger was the OC of the Jets, how many 30 point games did he have? How many have the Broncos had? I know our defense is worst in the league, but can we at least keep the games somewhat close with a team that can score in the red zone?

[Broncos123]

On the positive we made it to the 22 once on a kick off once.

[theAPAOps5]

This team misses Kubiak. Thats the long and short of it. He developed into a genius play caller, he made Plummer into a good QB despite his limitations. Kubiak left and Plummer went down hill. I would love to have him coaching Cutler.

As for the throwing of the back foot I don't think that is going to disappear, ever, it will get better but its not going away. It will be useless to continue to gripe about it. And it has nothing to do with the majority of his INT's those were bad mental mistakes.

[HEAV]

1. Throwing off his back foot.... ughhh!

He still throws off his back foot.


I posted in a thread last year (Nov/Dec) that after seeing some of his college game film, Cutler throws off that back foot alot.

Of course the board leader attacked me as a Plummer protector (his revenge from the BG years) and claimed the kid had broke the habit and slammed me for over a week.

But as we have all seen Jay-C will and can throw of his back foot. The arm is strong enough to pull it off.

Hell i saw a HS game of Jay's on youtube, he has always thrown off his back foot, even in HS.

So coaching is required. But the kid really hasn't anything to work with right now.

Lame play calling by whomever, a soap opera running back, banged up wideouts and a poor O-line... it's all bad people.

Like Herc said, some off us non orange glass wearing fans saw 07 as a growing year. This team is young and dumb.


2008 is when the Broncos will have cap dollars and by the looks of it a high first round draft choice.

[Sassy]

On the postgame show on KOA Shanahan took the entire blame for not having the team prepared..but there were also a few players that stuck up for him and said they need to execute better and that it wasn't his fault, it was their's.

[DukeWoody]

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Yes, for god's sake.. I know he's young.

What I'm saying is that I don't think he's being coached very well. He just looks junky out there. I've been asking who our QB coach is for a while. Anyone know? He needs to be fired, whoever it is.

Jay has the tools, but he's getting into some sloppy ****ing habits.
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I have a feeling young Bates promotion to QB/WR coach was more than just a coincidence, being the same year his fathers' hiring to assistant head coach/defensive coordinator??



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[theAPAOps5]

Hey John Elway, you are coaching your son, how's about coaching another young gun slinger in Denver.

[Bronco Yoda]

This team misses Kubiak. Thats the long and short of it. He developed into a genius play caller, he made Plummer into a good QB despite his limitations. Kubiak left and Plummer went down hill. I would love to have him coaching Cutler.

I wouldn't say that too loud around here. Remember all the peeps who kept calling for his head while he was here. Kubiak took a lot of bashing here... why I don't know.. but he did.

[boltaneer]

One thing that a lot of you may disagree with me with is that people need to stop comparing the guy to Elway. Every time that is brought up I just kind of scratch my head.

IMO, a similar situation would be Eli Manning. Both guys have the tools and potential to be great and have shown flashes of being capable of being that good and also have some good weapons on their respective teams but the pressure of living in the shadow of a person who is considered one of the best has got to make it feel impossible to do sometimes.

[Popps]

Cutler needs help, and quickly. The guy is developing some goofy habits.

I mean, the staff has to see this... right? If not, we're in bigger trouble than I thought.

He's got Marino-potential, but I don't think he's the kind that's going to develop on his own without help. He's just got mechanical problems that someone needs to help him work on.

[DB_champ24]

One thing that a lot of you may disagree with me with is that people need to stop comparing the guy to Elway. Every time that is brought up I just kind of scratch my head.

IMO, a similar situation would be Eli Manning. Both guys have the tools and potential to be great and have shown flashes of being capable of being that good and also have some good weapons on their respective teams but the pressure of living in the shadow of a person who is considered one of the best has got to make it feel impossible to do sometimes.

I dont agree with the comparisin to Eli Manning at all

[24champ]

Cutler looks like he needs coaching. He still throws off his back foot. He still makes fundamental mistakes.

Yes, for god's sake.. I know he's young.

What I'm saying is that I don't think he's being coached very well. He just looks junky out there. I've been asking who our QB coach is for a while. Anyone know? He needs to be fired, whoever it is.

Jay has the tools, but he's getting into some sloppy ****ing habits.

My understanding is the coaches wanted Cutler up to speed on the playbook instead this summer and not really worried about his fundamentals, they just want Cutler to learn the offense and being able to read defenses. They'll work on his fundamentals at some point later. Why not do both? Well you can't teach a QB everything in one summer obviously. His fundamentals will be fixed at some point.