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bowtown

10-03-2007, 05:34 PM

Another Rumor: Pontius Pirate gets his rumors from Hotrod's inside source

Where'd this come from? Link?

It was a question asked in the Peter King mailbag. There is absolutely nothing to this rumor at all. Jake Plummer is done with football, he is no longer the QB of this team or any other team in the NFL. That is all.

bronco militia

10-03-2007, 05:36 PM

and lmao if the bears wanted him.....

Grossman+the G-boy+ Jake the Mistake

holy crap!

Pontius Pirate

10-03-2007, 05:38 PM

I agree he's probably done, but I'm not so sure I'd be so adamant about it unless you actually knew the guy. There have been a lot of QB's who were "done" and then reappeared from nowhere.

Pontius Pirate

10-03-2007, 05:39 PM

and lmao if the bears wanted him.....

Grossman+the G-boy+ Jake the Mistake

holy crap!

Don't forget Kyle Orton

telluride

10-03-2007, 05:45 PM

Jake would do well with the Bears. Go for it!

Bronco Yoda

10-03-2007, 05:49 PM

no people...it's true!

I saw the revelation also... as it swirled down the Porcelain oracle this morning.

RhymesayersDU

10-03-2007, 05:52 PM

All everybody has been talking about is how the Bears need somebody to protect the ball. Why would they want Plummer? Sure, if they could catch lightning in a bottle and get Jake to have a year like he did when we went 13-3, the Bears could win the SuperBowl... But that's a big if.

Hotrod

10-03-2007, 06:03 PM

Another Rumor: Pontius Pirate gets his rumors from Hotrod's inside source

Where'd this come from? Link?

Screw that **** Mustard was on this team.

Flex Gunmetal

10-03-2007, 06:05 PM

Looks like we have beat the all world journalists at www.letplummerplay.com to this breaking news!

NYBronco

10-03-2007, 06:11 PM

Jake would do well with the Bears. Go for it!

But would the Bears do well with Jake? Pause and think before going for it.

Northman

10-03-2007, 06:54 PM

Why would they want Plummer when they have Griese? lol

Arkansas Bronco

10-03-2007, 07:17 PM

Screw that **** Mustard was on this team.

Several times at that ;D

BMF Bronco

10-03-2007, 07:19 PM

Several times at that ;D

within one week!!!! ROFL! LOL ROFL!

BroncsRule

10-03-2007, 07:24 PM

It would be kinda funny if the Greasy One lost another job to Plummer.

Traveler

10-03-2007, 07:39 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Chicago the other team Jake was considering before we signed him as a UFA?

smalltowngrll

10-03-2007, 07:46 PM

I believe, if memory serves correctly, it was Tampa. But, I could be wrong.

Edit: I'm wrong...it was the bears...just checked!

Taco John

10-03-2007, 07:58 PM

I heard on the light rail that Plummer....

uh, I got nuthin'...

Blueflame

10-03-2007, 08:18 PM

Speaking of former Broncos QBs, NFL Network was reporting earlier today that Gus Frerotte will start for the Lambs on Sunday.

Popps

10-03-2007, 09:13 PM

I can't understand why the Bears didn't sign Leftwich.

Los Broncos

10-03-2007, 09:17 PM

Plummer is done im sure

yerner

10-03-2007, 09:23 PM

I won't laugh until Culter starts winning games.

elsid13

10-03-2007, 09:54 PM

bowtown

10-03-2007, 10:30 PM

If we're starting rumors I want us to push the one that has Woody Paige wearing fishnet body stocking. My inside source heard it on the rail from a guys dressed in colonel uniform that was holding a candle stick

I heard Woody plays naked volleyball, tips in only 2$ bills and Canadian Quarters, and hates dead people.

Los Broncos

10-03-2007, 11:07 PM

I heard Woody plays naked volleyball, tips in only 2$ bills and Canadian Quarters, and hates dead people.

What was that he said about a woman?

Shes hot and frankly i would like to see her naked? ROFL!

Rigs11

10-03-2007, 11:08 PM

Looks like we have beat the all world journalists at www.letplummerplay.com to this breaking news!

Wow. the post on that page is pretty telling though:

Before we go into another 3700 word essay on how wrong Mike Shanahan has been in ALL his decision making, we give you this:

You were right all along, it really was Jake Plummer that held Denver back last year, not the team, not Shanahan, it was all Plummer. How did we come to this conclusion? Well it was quite easy actually, after watching today's game against the Colts.

We simply compared Jake's numbers last year against A BETTER Colts team to Pumpkin Pie's numbers this year, here's what they look like:

October 29th, 2006 vs Indy

Jake Plummer:
QB Rating: 104.1
Comp/Attempts= 13-21 for 174 yards and 1 TD and ZERO Interceptions
1 Fumble lost

Final score: Indy 34-Denver 31

September 30th, 2007 vs Indy

Jay Cutler:
QB Rating: 75.7
Comp/Attemtps= 13-21 for 131 yards and 1 TD and ONE INTERCEPTION
1 Fumble lost

Final score: Indy 38- Denver 20

Crushaholic

10-04-2007, 12:18 AM

I believe it after watching Griese play Sunday. I guess Lovie can turn to Kyle Orton, but I don't see that happening.

Kaylore

10-04-2007, 02:18 AM

Was this heard on the light rail too?

Popps

10-04-2007, 02:37 AM

Wow. the post on that page is pretty telling though:

Before we go into another 3700 word essay on how wrong Mike Shanahan has been in ALL his decision making, we give you this:

You were right all along, it really was Jake Plummer that held Denver back last year, not the team, not Shanahan, it was all Plummer. How did we come to this conclusion? Well it was quite easy actually, after watching today's game against the Colts.

We simply compared Jake's numbers last year against A BETTER Colts team to Pumpkin Pie's numbers this year, here's what they look like:

October 29th, 2006 vs Indy

Jake Plummer:
QB Rating: 104.1
Comp/Attempts= 13-21 for 174 yards and 1 TD and ZERO Interceptions
1 Fumble lost

Final score: Indy 34-Denver 31

September 30th, 2007 vs Indy

Jay Cutler:
QB Rating: 75.7
Comp/Attemtps= 13-21 for 131 yards and 1 TD and ONE INTERCEPTION
1 Fumble lost

Final score: Indy 38- Denver 20

No, dude... didn't you hear the news!?!

It's not all about the QB anymore. See, we need to improve the DEFENSE!

ROFL!

The football education continues...

Killericon

10-04-2007, 04:09 AM

I heard Woody plays naked volleyball, tips in only 2$ bills and Canadian Quarters, and hates dead people.

You guys should be so lucky. (http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/09/28/loonie.html?ref=rss)

Northman

10-04-2007, 05:26 AM

Wow. the post on that page is pretty telling though:

Before we go into another 3700 word essay on how wrong Mike Shanahan has been in ALL his decision making, we give you this:

You were right all along, it really was Jake Plummer that held Denver back last year, not the team, not Shanahan, it was all Plummer. How did we come to this conclusion? Well it was quite easy actually, after watching today's game against the Colts.

We simply compared Jake's numbers last year against A BETTER Colts team to Pumpkin Pie's numbers this year, here's what they look like:

October 29th, 2006 vs Indy

Jake Plummer:
QB Rating: 104.1
Comp/Attempts= 13-21 for 174 yards and 1 TD and ZERO Interceptions
1 Fumble lost

Final score: Indy 34-Denver 31

September 30th, 2007 vs Indy

Jay Cutler:
QB Rating: 75.7
Comp/Attemtps= 13-21 for 131 yards and 1 TD and ONE INTERCEPTION
1 Fumble lost

Final score: Indy 38- Denver 20

It is? I would hope that a 10 year vet could do better than a guy who has played 9 games. LOL

Hotrod

10-04-2007, 10:45 AM

Several times at that ;D

I guess you could say I was right repeatedly :spit:

Darkdoc

10-04-2007, 11:58 AM

It is? I would hope that a 10 year vet could do better than a guy who has played 9 games. LOL

This says it all.

Blueflame

10-04-2007, 01:56 PM

Another clue for the "let Plummer play" aka "fireshanahan" guy... we still lost to the Colts with Plummer, too. So what if the 10-year veteran had better stats (in one game... why didn't he cite stats from the playoff losses? 'Cause they wouldn't support his preconceived idea, so he cherrypicked instead) than the virtual rookie while losing? The only stat that really matters is the "L" in the win/loss column and the Colts put plenty of those in the record book against Plummer.

Beantown Bronco

10-04-2007, 02:10 PM

why didn't he cite stats from the playoff losses?

Because Cutler cost us any chance at comparing playoff stats with his pick-6 in the finale last year....:stirstir:

Blueflame

10-04-2007, 02:17 PM

Because Cutler cost us any chance at comparing playoff stats with his pick-6 in the finale last year....:stirstir:

No, he didn't include Plummer's other stats against the Colts because those stats wouldn't support the skewed picture he was trying to paint... point is the guy has an agenda and cherrypicks only the stats he wants to use while omitting the ones that clearly show he's FOS.

Beantown Bronco

10-04-2007, 02:20 PM

No, he didn't include Plummer's other stats against the Colts because those stats wouldn't support the skewed picture he was trying to paint... point is the guy has an agenda and cherrypicks only the stats he wants to use while omitting the ones that clearly show he's FOS.

I dislike the guy as much as anyone, but in this case it was more proper to compare the stats of last year's game to this year's game because the two Indy squads are essentially identical. When you start talking about games against Indy from 3 and 4 years ago, you're talking about rosters that don't even compare.

Blueflame

10-04-2007, 02:28 PM

I dislike the guy as much as anyone, but in this case it was more proper to compare the stats of last year's game to this year's game because the two Indy squads are essentially identical. When you start talking about games against Indy from 3 and 4 years ago, you're talking about rosters that don't even compare.

Perhaps Indy's roster was "essentially identical"... but ours was not. For instance, Plummer faced Indy with Al Wilson at MLB and we had a solid run defense. Also, the "tools" Indy used this year were quite different than the ones they used to beat us last year. The '06 and '07 losses really don't compare any better than the others.

The guy knows this, too. He's just cherrypicking stats to diss Cutler because he hates Shanahan.

Beantown Bronco

10-04-2007, 02:41 PM

Perhaps Indy's roster was "essentially identical"... but ours was not. For instance, Plummer faced Indy with Al Wilson at MLB and we had a solid run defense. Also, the "tools" Indy used this year were quite different than the ones they used to beat us last year. The '06 and '07 losses really don't compare any better than the others.

The guy knows this, too. He's just cherrypicking stats to diss Cutler because he hates Shanahan.

You're citing the defenses, which actually performed identically in the end (giving up the same # of pts roughly) and thus really had no difference in impact between the two teams. Both got torched. One got torched through the air; the other on the ground. Neither was a crutch to either QB more than the other IMO, so take them out of the equation.

On the other hand, how about the offenses surrounding the two QBs? Would you rather go to battle against Indy with Cutler's supporting cast from last week, or Plummer's from last year's game? OLine is more or less a wash. No Hamilton, but no matador at Right Tackle. Better starting RB this year. No Walker this year, but Stokley and an improved Marshall make up for that. I would give the edge to this year's TE situation.

Blueflame

10-04-2007, 03:00 PM

You're citing the defenses, which actually performed identically in the end (giving up the same # of pts roughly) and thus really had no difference in impact between the two teams. Both got torched. One got torched through the air; the other on the ground. Neither was a crutch to either QB more than the other IMO, so take them out of the equation.

On the other hand, how about the offenses surrounding the two QBs? Would you rather go to battle against Indy with Cutler's supporting cast from last week, or Plummer's from last year's game? OLine is more or less a wash. No Hamilton, but no matador at Right Tackle. Better starting RB this year. No Walker this year, but Stokley and an improved Marshall make up for that. I would give the edge to this year's TE situation.

My contention is that the letplummerplay aka fireshanahan guy is a tool who uses cherrypicked stats to support a foregone... but skewed... viewpoint. He's FOS and so is his webpage. :P And probably, so is this "rumor".. Ha!

Northman

10-04-2007, 03:40 PM

Pontius Pirate

10-04-2007, 03:48 PM

But its not proper to compare even these two games. One guy has played 9 games as opposed to a guy who has 10 years under his belt.

Woaaahhh, this slippery slope is soooo slippery!

bowtown

10-04-2007, 03:50 PM

Also one of them is a retired handball player and the other one still has at least 15 years of football ahead of him. Can we please stop talking about football players that are no longer on this team?

Maybe later I'll go pull up some Sammy Winder stats and post them on my whiney, totally pointless website: www.killtravishenry.com/imtrappedinthepast.

Beantown Bronco

10-04-2007, 03:52 PM

But its not proper to compare even these two games. One guy has played 9 games as opposed to a guy who has 10 years under his belt.

That's debatable. Some people want to say that as of today, after just those 9 games, Jay is already better than Jake. In order to debate that, one has to look at these "common opponents" and see how each fared. So far, Jake has the edge if you are comparing their performances against just Indy.

smalltowngrll

10-04-2007, 03:52 PM

Why are we wasting all this energy and 'bandwidth' on a debate that will essentially not take us anywhere! Plummer isn't coming back to our team and Cutler is our QB now and for the future. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, stats, stats, and more stats are not going to change that. I was one of the biggest Plummer homers in support of him, but times have changed and it's time to leave this argument behind. It's not changing anything!

Now, Plummer in Chicago, that we can talk about! But, I tend to think he's probably very happy being OUT of the limelight!! :sunshine:

Beantown Bronco

10-04-2007, 03:54 PM

Why are we wasting all this energy and 'bandwidth' on a debate that will essentially not take us anywhere!

Are we planning on getting rid of 95% of the threads here, not to mention everything in the War/Politics forums? This place would be a ghost town real fast.

Blueflame

10-04-2007, 03:56 PM

No doubt...if Gus has a good game for the Rams this week, is someone gonna start a thread titled "Shanahan shouldn't have let Gus go"? Oops... I prolly just gave the fireshanahan tool a new idea. :P

Blueflame

10-04-2007, 03:57 PM

Are we planning on getting rid of 95% of the threads here, not to mention everything in the War/Politics forums? This place would be a ghost town real fast.

Hey, then server speed wouldn't be a problem anymore and we'd probably get our avys back. Ha!

TheReverend

10-04-2007, 03:58 PM

Bubby Brister is on his way.

Beantown Bronco

10-04-2007, 04:06 PM

No doubt...if Gus has a good game for the Rams this week, is someone gonna start a thread titled "Shanahan shouldn't have let Gus go"? Oops... I prolly just gave the fireshanahan tool a new idea. :P

To be quite honest, I would rather see that thread than another freakin' thread about Hixon. God help us if that guy ends up playing for the Giants and actually has even one decent return.

Northman

10-04-2007, 04:07 PM

That's debatable. Some people want to say that as of today, after just those 9 games, Jay is already better than Jake. In order to debate that, one has to look at these "common opponents" and see how each fared. So far, Jake has the edge if you are comparing their performances against just Indy.

Fair enough. But his edge is very small in that regard. Jake had maybe 30 more yards passing and did not have a Int but it wasnt a mind blowing difference. It would seem the closer score had more to do with us being at home more than anything else.

Blueflame

10-04-2007, 04:08 PM

To be quite honest, I would rather see that thread than another freakin' thread about Hixon. God help us if that guy ends up playing for the Giants and actually has even one decent return.

Y'know, I'm really kinda surprised that no one's posted a "Gus is starting" thread yet. Guess it's 'cause Errand's been gone a while. I know he woulda posted one. Hehehehe....

Pontius Pirate

10-08-2007, 12:14 PM

Apologies - turns out it's actually the Cardinals who may be going after Plummer now that Leinart is out. This is from the AZ Republic:

Meanwhile, you should know that the Cardinals need to sign another backup quarterback, and for the record, General Manager Rod Graves would not rule out trading for the "retired" Jake Plummer.

"It would really depend," Graves said. "I think Ken (Whisenhunt) would have to feel comfortable that Jake would fit what we're trying to do here. But I certainly wouldn't rule out anything at this point."