Selvin Young: I'm a believer

[fontaine]

Let me start off by saying that I was really skeptical about all the hype this guy was getting.

I just finished watching the drives we had when Henry went down and Selvin Young was used exclusively on our 2nd TD drive (3rd Quarter).

First off Selvin Young showed more vision in that one game than I saw from Mike and Tatum Bell last year.
For a kid who hasn't played much and was limited in Texas, he has great vision. There were a couple of plays where he had to make a decision where to run and he made the right choice and hit the hole hard. You either have that kind of vision or it takes you years to learn in the same system. He just has it.

Secondly, he's tough to bring down because he gets to top speed in a hurry. He doesn't have top end speed like a Portis or Tatum (see the reverse play) but what he does have, he gets to it in a hurry.

And lastly, I love the way this kid moves through traffic. He doesn't look flustered making his way through multiple defenders and generally falls forward.

If our defense hadn't folded like a house of cards then I really believe we would have pounded the Colts into submission in the 2nd half.

He's no where near as strong as Henry but doesn't get tackled easily. He wasn't used much as a pass blocker so I'm not rating him here. But as a pure RB,

I'm a believer.

:)

[bap454]

I totally agree with you on this point. He has looked awsome when given the chance. As far as speed goes ... I have to believe he is probly faster than M. Bell and T. Henry. Does anyone recall if was at the combine this past year. Im curious to see what he run/ran in the forthy?

[yerner]

Whatever. Dude's just alright.

[BroncoInSkinland]

I'm not sold one way or the other, but what first jumped to my mind when I started to think about it was the run about halfway through the Raiders game. That, in my opinion was the best play of that game. Like I said the jury is still out in my mind, but he definately has potential.

[fontaine]

I totally agree with you on this point. He has looked awsome when given the chance. As far as speed goes ... I have to believe he is probly faster than M. Bell and T. Henry. Does anyone recall if was at the combine this past year. Im curious to see what he run/ran in the forthy?

4.57 altho I don't think that his combine time.

His football speed is what counts and in that department, he's fast enough.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=8838

[Stormontheplains]

I'm with you fontaine, he is showing some signs of being a football player not just a rb. He runs like a bronco back is supposed to. There will be some great things come from this kid.

[Smiling Assassin27]

in hi role as a backup/change up, the guy's succeeding. is he a workhorse? who knows. but if the babymaker can't go, i'd have trepidation, given the Bolts' tendency to blitz at least one guy often.

[DomCasual]

Whatever. Dude's just alright.

So is Jesus.

[yerner]

Amen brother.

[bronco militia]

Selvin Young is the Starter over Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, mike Bell, and Droughns if he's here a couple of years sooner.

[TheReverend]

* Reference all Mike Bell threads from last year.

[smalltowngrll]

* Reference all Mike Bell threads from last year.

My thoughts, too!

I'd like to see if he can CONSISTANTLY do this throughout the season! Yes, I was impressed, but I was last year with Mike Bell, too! Haven't heard much from him this year. So, time will only tell!

[fontaine]

* Reference all Mike Bell threads from last year.

I totally disagree with this. Mike Bell was as a churner, a tough guy who didnt' have that natural vision even though he played a lot of college ball.

Shanahan even went out of his way and flat out benched Mike midway through the season to start Nash, citing how often Bell is missing cutback lanes and dancing too much in the backfield.

No such problem with Selvin Young, so far.

[fontaine]

My thoughts, too!

I'd like to see if he can CONSISTANTLY do this throughout the season! Yes, I was impressed, but I was last year with Mike Bell, too! Haven't heard much from him this year. So, time will only tell!

All I'm saying is that he's got the natural tools to do very well in our system. Apparently so do the coaches who elevated him to 2nd spot ahead of Bell.

[bronco militia]

mike bell is a tough runner....

that's why Tatum Bell is no longer a Donk

[smalltowngrll]

I was impressed also, last week. But, I'm not jumping on a bandwagon just quite yet. Week four last year we were all singing M. Bell praises, too. I'm hopefull that his talent isn't just a temporary enthusiasm, but true talent that will continue to shine! That's what I want to see!

[TheReverend]

I totally disagree with this. Mike Bell was as a churner, a tough guy who didnt' have that natural vision even though he played a lot of college ball.

Shanahan even went out of his way and flat out benched Mike midway through the season to start Nash, citing how often Bell is missing cutback lanes and dancing too much in the backfield.

No such problem with Selvin Young, so far.

Disagreeing is fine and I'm all about the optism.

But if you go back to last years season, you'll find threads about Mike Bell not being as fast as Tatum but having "superior vision" and how well he fits the system.

Go back a couple more years and see Rueben Droughns.

Couple more and see Mike Anderson.

Etc.

All I'm saying is, Turner's so ****ing good, RB is the least of our concerns.

[Beantown Bronco]

All I'm saying is, Turner's so ****ing good, RB is the least of our concerns.

If Travis Henry is hurt.....RB is nowhere near the least of my concerns.

CB
Punter
Kicker
DE
QB
a couple of Oline positions
WR
and probably even TE

are all ahead of RB at this pt if Henry can't start.

[Garcia Bronco]

I believe...he's sarting this week for mr in FF

[Beantown Bronco]

I believe...he's sarting this week for mr in FF

any other rb's on your bench?

[Garcia Bronco]

any other rb's on your bench?

I lost the Cadillac and Maroney. He is my bench. DOH!

[Beantown Bronco]

I lost the Cadillac and Maroney. He is my bench. DOH!

So you "believe".......out of necessity. ;)

[TheReverend]

If Travis Henry is hurt.....RB is nowhere near the least of my concerns.

CB
Punter
Kicker
DE
QB
a couple of Oline positions
WR
and probably even TE

are all ahead of RB at this pt if Henry can't start.


When's the last time injuries hurt the Denver running game significantly?

[Garcia Bronco]

So you "believe".......out of necessity. ;)

That's one way to put it. :)

[Beantown Bronco]

When's the last time injuries hurt the Denver running game significantly?

I would argue just about every year since 1999.

People can cite the numbers all they want....I could care less about the fact that they've rushed for 1,800-2,000 yards as a team pretty much every year. They've been dominating between the 20s, but they haven't scared anyone inside the 10 yard line in ages.

When was the last time the Broncos had 1st and goal and you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they could just pound it in and get the score?

When you can say "today", then I'll say the running game is the least of my worries.

[TheReverend]

I would argue just about every year since 1999.

People can cite the numbers all they want....I could care less about the fact that they've rushed for 1,800-2,000 yards as a team pretty much every year. They've been dominating between the 20s, but they haven't scared anyone inside the 10 yard line in ages.

When was the last time the Broncos had 1st and goal and you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they could just pound it in and get the score?

When you can say "today", then I'll say the running game is the least of my worries.

.............what does that have to with Henry being hurt?

[Los Broncos]

So is Jesus.

LOL

[TheReverend]

To clarify:

You said, "If Travis Henry is hurt.....RB is nowhere near the least of my concerns."

So that's pretty clearly stating or discussion and your concern is with our depth.

But then you switched over to red scoring issues?

[Beantown Bronco]

.............what does that have to with Henry being hurt?

Do I really have to repeat everything? In short:

Originally, you said RB was the least of your concerns because of Turner.

I said there were multiple other positions that concerned me less, especially if Henry was too hurt to play this week.

You then asked me when was the last time injuries hurt the running game. I then responded that injuries to TD, Gary, Anderson, Portis, Droughns, and the Bells have shaped pretty much every season since 1999....the last time I felt we had a truly dominant running game. Have they not? Or do you really believe dominance between the 20s makes for a great running game?

[Beantown Bronco]

To clarify:

You said, "If Travis Henry is hurt.....RB is nowhere near the least of my concerns."

So that's pretty clearly stating or discussion and your concern is with our depth.

But then you switched over to red scoring issues?

My concern is purely with the ability of the running game to get the ball in the EZ. If Henry is hurt, our ability to get the ball in the EZ is compromised significantly IMO. I don't believe the other guys can do it as well IMO. Although I'm not saying that I really have a ton of confidence in Henry either. But I have more confidence in him punching it in than any of those other guys.

Playcalling and the lack of size/power in our Oline just don't allow for a dominant "goal to go" rushing offense IMO.

[TheReverend]

My concern is purely with the ability of the running game to get the ball in the EZ. If Henry is hurt, our ability to get the ball in the EZ is compromised significantly IMO. I don't believe the other guys can do it as well IMO. Although I'm not saying that I really have a ton of confidence in Henry either. But I have more confidence in him punching it in than any of those other guys.

Playcalling and the lack of size/power in our Oline just don't allow for a dominant "goal to go" rushing offense IMO.

I think the bold statement reflects my point. If not:

Rushing Statistics
Player Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Travis Henry 86 433 5.0 33 1
Selvin Young 15 138 9.2 40 0
Jay Cutler 10 26 2.6 11 1
Cecil Sapp 6 25 4.2 12 1
Mike Bell 5 3 0.6 3 0
Javon Walker 2 -3 -1.5 -1 0


That one TD inspires that much confidence?

[Beantown Bronco]

That one TD inspires that much confidence?

Nope.....but I think if we're faced with a 3rd and goal at the 3 yard line and we are going to run the ball....I'd give a healthy Henry a 25% chance of getting in. The rest on that list......less than 10%. (And a healthy TD - 100%)

[MVPlaya]

Those are skeptical about Selvin Young need to just watch him run.

And those who are saying, oh this is just like Mike Bell from last year.

If you have any sort of football vision (eye for football) when watching football, you can easily distinguish the difference between Selvin Young and Mike Bell. The running styles are different, the effectness is different, and how they carry themselves are different.

Mike Bell ran a little odd, and he was always prone to get popped hard. I know he wasn't the future, you can just TELL by his motions and how he ran the ball. His body balance was just not here.

Selvin Young, if you watch the kid run, you can just tell his ability to maneuver, you can feel the explsiveness. This is not Tatum Bell like either...Tatum's running style was not top tier.

If Selvin Young can block, he will be one great RB. If you watched the pre-season games, you'd see his style just FEELS successful. It's just that swagger and his balance that he brings when he runs...

If anyone saw that one run in the pre-season where it was about a 10+ yard TD run, where he juked the **** out of a defender, and stormed in...you'd know what I'm talking about.

[Sassy]

If Selvin Young can block, he will be one great RB. If you watched the pre-season games, you'd see his style just FEELS successful. It's just that swagger and his balance that he brings when he runs...

If anyone saw that one run in the pre-season where it was about a 10+ yard TD run, where he juked the **** out of a defender, and stormed in...you'd know what I'm talking about.
If you saw selvin in a #30 uniform and didn't know it was him...would you think it was someone else in his rookie year? ;D Just askin' :devil:

[Bronco Billy]

I think Young can be very good, but we have the league's leading rusher already. Where we really need help is the Red Zone, and I don't see Young being an improvement there.

[jeffmatt007]

I like Young, he has good speed, vision and power. But what did we think of Mike Bell after last years colts game?
I am really interested in seeing what he can do out of the back field on check downs and screens. But unfortunately screens never seem to be a large part of out offense.

[MVPlaya]

I think Young can be very good, but we have the league's leading rusher already. Where we really need help is the Red Zone, and I don't see Young being an improvement there.


Young was given one opportunity to run it in from the goaline and he was a yard or less away from a touchdown. As a matter of fact, it was the goaline run that led to Jay Cutler's QB sneak TD.

He hasn't been given many opportunities in the redzone. In the Jacksonville game it was about 3rd and 11 from the redzone and he was given the ball from a shotgun formation. He ran it for about 9 yards.

Time will tell...

[Bronco Billy]

Young was given one opportunity to run it in from the goaline and he was a yard or less away from a touchdown. As a matter of fact, it was the goaline run that led to Jay Cutler's QB sneak TD.

He hasn't been given many opportunities in the redzone. In the Jacksonville game it was about 3rd and 11 from the redzone and he was given the ball from a shotgun formation. He ran it for about 9 yards.

Time will tell...

I remember the play. Yes, time will tell. I wouldn't mind putting him in - nothing else works down there. I just don't believe he'll make a bigger difference than Henry.

[cabronco]

I expect to see Selvin on the field more often, especially since Henry has leg injury probs. I wish they would try Selvin out on kick off and PR's. I think he'd add a much needed spark to the special teams.

[fontaine]

The red zone problems aren't all on the RB whether it be Henry or Young.

I think we need to remember that you can't just be generic about red zone/play calling issues.

For example against the Colts we were missing Walker which meant Marshall was shadowed by their best DB in Jackson. Stokley was playing out of position against a team that knew his strengths and weakeness far better that Denver's own coaches do.

Sure red zone scoring is an issue. But I meant to start this thread to say that I don't think our running game will suffer if we have to sit Henry for a week.

From what I've seen so far how well or poorly we play stems from what our lines do in the trenches. Against the Colts our OL was pretty solid even against 8/9 men in the box.

How we do against the chargers is going to depend on how well our OL does against their front 7 and if Bates can somehow pull stud DL out of his hat in some magic trick.

[TheReverend]

Disagreeing is fine and I'm all about the optism.

But if you go back to last years season, you'll find threads about Mike Bell not being as fast as Tatum but having "superior vision" and how well he fits the system.

Go back a couple more years and see Rueben Droughns.

Couple more and see Mike Anderson.

Etc.

All I'm saying is, Turner's so ****ing good, RB is the least of our concerns.


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=48735&highlight=mike+bell

[fontaine]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=48735&highlight=mike+bell

Either way I think it's great that we can get an undrafted nobody and get him to have a Mike Anderson, Droughns or even Mike Bell type of year.

Every team in the NFL would love to have that ability.

Now if only we could get a Bobby Turner type for the defensive front 7!!!

[TheReverend]

Either way I think it's great that we can get an undrafted nobody and get him to have a Mike Anderson, Droughns or even Mike Bell type of year.

Every team in the NFL would love to have that ability.

Now if only we could get a Bobby Turner type for the defensive front 7!!!

Amen.

I'm not arguing or trying to dash anyone's optimism. Just trying to display that this is nearly a yearly issue because Turner can develop such a good stable of RBs and this position should hardly be cause for concern.