Only a select few posters will be invited to watch this film

[baja]

Look for your invitation here;

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Discuss.

[baja]

Must see for;

TJ

Josh

The dave

OA

Footsteps

Ro

Dman

LABF

BB

Reb

Beerslug

Bob

Bronco Bob

[TheDave]

Damn... missed another list.

[REB]

I have it saved to watch later. It's a couple hrs. long right?

[REB]

Damn... missed another list.


Join the club :welcome:

[TheDave]

Join the club :welcome:

I'm just not feeling the love these days... maybe i should restart an evolution vs creationism thread. :wiggle:

[REB]

I'm just not feeling the love these days... maybe i should restart an evolution vs creationism thread. :wiggle:

Absolutely. Can't have to many of those !Booya!

[Hotrod]

Everyones going to the dance but me.......

[epicSocialism4tw]

That movie is interesting for people who like simple answers to questions that require complex solutions.

[TheDave]

That movie is interesting for people who like simple answers to questions that require complex solutions.

All the more reason I should be on that list... Ha!

[epicSocialism4tw]

All the more reason I should be on that list...

Heck, the simple fact that I opened this thread shows that I should be there as well. :approve:

[Rohirrim]

I only got as far as the injured kids. I couldn't continue after that.

[TailgateNut]

I guess since I wasn't invited, I'll just "exit stage left".

[W*GS]

In three parts, Zeitgeist (which has no credits) attempts to show that 1) Christianity is rehashed pagan sun-worship and is used by the rich and powerful to control people, 2) the 9/11 tragedies were part of an elite conspiracy, and 3) ever since World War I, the ultra-rich have been secretly manufacturing wars and financial collapses to control the populace and to get richer and more powerful.

Uh-hunh.

Right up there with the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", methinks.

But I wasn't invited, so I guess my opinion doesn't count fer ****.

[alkemical]

hey wags, would the US & The Vatican helping nazi war criminals count as a conspiracy, or evidence of one that existed?

[baja]

If you went to the link you would see you are all invited.

[elsid13]

Everyones going to the dance but me.......

IT all right you, me and THEDAVE will have are own party with girls and booze. Teach them about not inviting the us! :thumbs:

PS I will invite Spider to our party only if dress in toga.

[W*GS]

hey wags, would the US & The Vatican helping nazi war criminals count as a conspiracy, or evidence of one that existed?

Depends on what you mean by "help".

One of your problems is that your thought process is something like:

coincidence -> correlation -> causation

[REB]

Spider can only come if he brings Bear...

[Bronco Bob]

Depends on what you mean by "help".

One of your problems is that your thought process is something like:

coincidence -> correlation -> causation

Paul McCartney is dead. The clues are in the music.

[Taco John]

That movie is interesting for people who like simple answers to questions that require complex solutions.



I haven't seen it, but you just described Occam's razor...

[alkemical]

I haven't seen it, but you just described Occam's razor...

“Each time we formulate a hypothesis, we take the simplest one possible. But what obligates the Universe to be simple?”

--James Peebles

[Taco John]

Depends on what you mean by "help".

One of your problems is that your thought process is something like:

coincidence -> correlation -> causation

I don't mean to defend this theory, because I am not sold on it, but I have to say that the idea that these matches are all coincidence gives me a sort of incredulous smile. The least we can do is agree that the abundance of matching symbolism means something, whether we all disagree what that "something" is or not.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I don't mean to defend this theory, because I am not sold on it, but I have to say that the idea that these matches are all coincidence gives me a sort of incredulous smile. The least we can do is agree that the abundance of matching symbolism means something, whether we all disagree what that "something" is or not.

Symbolism and allegory can be so subjective that you could draw meaning and correlation out of nearly every event in the history of the universe.

Now, whether or not you find synchronicity and correlation in every detail is what separates the schizophrenics from the rest of us.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I haven't seen it, but you just described Occam's razor...

Occam must have never imagined particle physics.

[Taco John]

Symbolism and allegory can be so subjective that you could draw meaning and correlation out of nearly every event in the history of the universe.

Now, whether or not you find synchronicity and correlation in every detail is what separates the schizophrenics from the rest of us.



You just said nothing, but did it in a lot of words.

The video describes specific correlations. There was nothing subjective about it. Rather than spinning into oblivion, it might be worthwhile to engage in the actual subject matter.

[Elidar]

I did a lot of looking into the Christianity aspect of this non-documentary. And well it seems really cool. But well, if this concept were so clearcut and all. Wouldn't it be more prevelantly discussed? and outside of this guys website I can't really find any support. Just throwing it out there

[defenseman]

Okay fellas, how long is the movie? My time is somewhat limited today and I hate watching stuff half at a time?...thanks...dman

[baja]

Just under 2 hours.

[Bronco Bob]

Symbolism and allegory can be so subjective that you could draw meaning and correlation out of nearly every event in the history of the universe.

Now, whether or not you find synchronicity and correlation in every detail is what separates the schizophrenics from the rest of us.

Like I said, Paul McCartney is dead, the clues are in the music.

[baja]

So did anybody watch the film.

[Bronco Bob]

So did anybody watch the film.

Some of it. The religious stuff was interesting, but the Truther part
and the One World Order part seemed like a lot of putting 2 and 2
together and getting 37 so I skipped over a lot of that. When then
brings into question how reliable the religious stuff in the first part
was. I think I am going to go do some research on Horus.

[Taco John]

I did a lot of looking into the Christianity aspect of this non-documentary. And well it seems really cool. But well, if this concept were so clearcut and all. Wouldn't it be more prevelantly discussed? and outside of this guys website I can't really find any support. Just throwing it out there

This is actually a popular discussion among theology types. It doesn't get much traction past the academic level though.

[Taco John]

So did anybody watch the film.

I saw the first half... I'll catch the second half tonight.

[Bronco Yoda]

Quote:
In three parts, Zeitgeist (which has no credits) attempts to show that 1) Christianity is rehashed pagan sun-worship and is used by the rich and powerful to control people, 2) the 9/11 tragedies were part of an elite conspiracy, and 3) ever since World War I, the ultra-rich have been secretly manufacturing wars and financial collapses to control the populace and to get richer and more powerful.
-----------------------------------------------------

I can vouch for this first hand. You should see the next little 'police action' I got up my sleeves.

Let's just say... buy all your Ikea stuff now!

[baja]

Some of it. The religious stuff was interesting, but the Truther part
and the One World Order part seemed like a lot of putting 2 and 2
together and getting 37 so I skipped over a lot of that. When then
brings into question how reliable the religious stuff in the first part
was. <b> I think I am going to go do some research on Horus.</b>

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

[epicSocialism4tw]

You just said nothing, but did it in a lot of words.

The video describes specific correlations. There was nothing subjective about it. Rather than spinning into oblivion, it might be worthwhile to engage in the actual subject matter.

The connections between those characters and the historical figure of Jesus are sketchy at best.

We dont even know who these people are and you are referencing them in the same breath as "academics"? You also say that "thelogians" are active in research in this subject, and you are grossly misrepresenting the nature of that debate. First off, "theologians" deal with the nature of God, and his relation to man, not the historicity of the account of Jesus Christ. The historicity of Jesus and the gospels are well documented. The only people clinging to that thin thread are shock-value academics who have basically been marginalized by any respectable biblical historian.

[alkemical]

Actually,

If anyone wants a really really really good book on theology of all types check out:

The secret teachings of All Ages - By Manly P. Hall (http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Teachings-All-Ages-Encyclopedic/dp/0893145483)

(For Who Manly P Hall is and why i like his work):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manly_P._Hall

Manly Palmer Hall (March 18, 1901 - August 29, 1990) was a Canadian-born author and mystic. He is perhaps most famous for his work The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, which is widely regarded as his magnum opus, published in 1928[1][2]when he was just 27 years old.

He has been widely recognized as a leading scholar in the fields of religion, mythology, mysticism, and the occult.

Carl Jung, when writing Psychology and Alchemy, borrowed material from Hall's private collection.

In 1934, Hall founded the Philosophical Research Society (PRS) in Los Angeles, California, dedicating it to an idealistic approach to the solution of human problems. The PRS claims to be non-sectarian and entirely free from educational, political, or ecclesiastical control, and the Society's programs stress the need for the integration of philosophy, religion, and science into one system of instruction. The PRS Library, a public facility devoted to source materials in obscure fields, has many rare and scarce items now impossible to obtain elsewhere.

In 1973 (47 years after writing The Secret Teachings of All Ages), Hall was recognized as a 33º Mason (the highest honor conferred by the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite), at a ceremony held at PRS on December 8th,[3][4]), despite never being initiated into the physical craft.[5]

In his over 70-year career, Hall delivered approximately 8,000 lectures in the United States and abroad, authored over 150 books and essays, and wrote countless magazine articles.

[baja]

Actually,

If anyone wants a really really really good book on theology of all types check out:

The secret teachings of All Ages - By Manly P. Hall (http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Teachings-All-Ages-Encyclopedic/dp/0893145483)

(For Who Manly P Hall is and why i like his work):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manly_P._Hall

Manly Palmer Hall (March 18, 1901 - August 29, 1990) was a Canadian-born author and mystic. He is perhaps most famous for his work The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, which is widely regarded as his magnum opus, published in 1928[1][2]when he was just 27 years old.

He has been widely recognized as a leading scholar in the fields of religion, mythology, mysticism, and the occult.

Carl Jung, when writing Psychology and Alchemy, borrowed material from Hall's private collection.

<b>In 1934, Hall founded the Philosophical Research Society (PRS) in Los Angeles, California, dedicating it to an idealistic approach to the solution of human problems.</b> The PRS claims to be non-sectarian and entirely free from educational, political, or ecclesiastical control, and the Society's programs stress the need for the integration of philosophy, religion, and science into one system of instruction. The PRS Library, a public facility devoted to source materials in obscure fields, has many rare and scarce items now impossible to obtain elsewhere.

In 1973 (47 years after writing The Secret Teachings of All Ages), Hall was recognized as a 33º Mason (the highest honor conferred by the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite), at a ceremony held at PRS on December 8th,[3][4]), despite never being initiated into the physical craft.[5]

In his over 70-year career, Hall delivered approximately 8,000 lectures in the United States and abroad, authored over 150 books and essays, and wrote countless magazine articles.

I attended a conference there on the 15th and 16th of this month. You should see the metaphysical library Josh, you would be in heaven.

[TheDave]

So did anybody watch the film.

No sir... Unfortunately i was not invited ;)

[baja]

No sir... Unfortunately i was not invited ;)

You are definitely among the select few Dave, by bad for not thinking of you in my hastily compiled list.

[Bronco Yoda]

I love this stuff. May not agree with all of it but it's a guilty pleasure of mine to gobble it all up and see what digests and what passes for gas.

I think we've all seen all this in parts just not crammed all together like this in one film.

I'm really surprised they didn't weave the Masonic order in this.

If it makes you think then it cant be a bad thing...

[Taco John]

We dont even know who these people are and you are referencing them in the same breath as "academics"? You also say that "thelogians" are active in research in this subject, and you are grossly misrepresenting the nature of that debate.

Not at all... I actually just got into a discussion with one about this very subject recently. I understand their side of the debate. I don't necessarily agree with it. I think they bring up a lot of good points that are worth consideration though.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Interesting stuff.

I liked the George Carlin quotes. :D :thumbs:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No sir... Unfortunately i was not invited ;)

Your name is on the list, dude. :thumbsup:

[alkemical]

Depends on what you mean by "help".

One of your problems is that your thought process is something like:

coincidence -> correlation -> causation


No, that's not how i think at all. But considering you are grasping for straws, not to mention subject deflection.

So answer the question

[W*GS]

No, that's not how i think at all. But considering you are grasping for straws, not to mention subject deflection.

So answer the question

You answer the clarification first.

But it's a fool's errand - arguing with a paranoiac conspiracyhead...

[baja]

You answer the clarification first.

But it's a fool's errand - arguing with a paranoiac conspiracyhead...

So does your cubical have carpeting?

[W*GS]

Does your bunker have a toilet? I ask because you sure are full of ****.

[baja]

Does your bunker have a toilet? I ask because you sure are full of ****.

Composting toilet.

[alkemical]

You answer the clarification first.

But it's a fool's errand - arguing with a paranoiac conspiracyhead...

Ah, back to ad hominem because you can't find a way to argue your way out of it. Isn't this what you often accuse LABF of, yet you do the same things. So why not answer the question? It appears the problem isn't with me, but your own lack of endowments.

[W*GS]

Ah, back to ad hominem because you can't find a way to argue your way out of it. Isn't this what you often accuse LABF of, yet you do the same things. So why not answer the question? It appears the problem isn't with me, but your own lack of endowments.

If you're not willing to be clear, that's your problem.

Provide specific examples, as opposed to vague generalizations. I'll even provide you one: Werner Von Braun.

[Bob]

I only got as far as the injured kids. I couldn't continue after that.

I only got past the first minute (after 10 minutes of "buffering") which I think caused a seizure...

I will check out other's posts to see if it is worth the download-time investment.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ah, back to ad hominem because you can't find a way to argue your way out of it. Isn't this what you often accuse LABF of, yet you do the same things.

Exactly. :yep:

[baja]

If you're not willing to be clear, that's your problem.

Provide specific examples, as opposed to vague generalizations. I'll even provide you one: Werner Von Braun.

You listened to NPR today didn't you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

BTW, you can order the DVD here:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/dvdorder.htm

[W*GS]

You listened to NPR today didn't you.

Nope, not today. Didn't even celebrate Sputnik particularly.

[Bronco Bob]

I only got past the first minute (after 10 minutes of "buffering") which I think caused a seizure...

I will check out other's posts to see if it is worth the download-time investment.

The part where they claim a Jesus never existed and the myth of
Jesus was based on the myth of Egyptian sun god Horus was interesting.
Also the sort of fascinating was how the myth of Jesus was so heavily
bound up in astrology. For example, the end of the world is a mistranslation,
and is instead related to the precession of the earth's axis in relation
to the constellations. The age of Jesus relates to the constellation
Pisces, and at the end of the age we enter the age of Aquarius.
Apparently because the myth of Jesus is so heavily bound up
in the constellation Pisces, this is why we see all those fish symbols
on automobiles. I guess when we enter the age of Aquarius these
will be replaced by buckets or something like that.
The 2nd part was just a bunch of Truther nonsense, so I skipped
over a lot of that, as the third part about the One World Order.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Symbolism and allegory can be so subjective that you could draw meaning and correlation out of nearly every event in the history of the universe.

Now, whether or not you find synchronicity and correlation in every detail is what separates the schizophrenics from the rest of us.

Bump.

I wonder how many fans of this movie are schizos?

[chadta]

BTW, you can order the DVD here:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/dvdorder.htm

pft

download it here

http://www.fileserve.com/file/5523hwc/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part1.rar
http://www.fileserve.com/file/6j8KfWd/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part2.rar
http://www.fileserve.com/file/9a3sSDf/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part3.rar

part 2 here

http://www.fileserve.com/file/5523hwc/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part1.rar
http://www.fileserve.com/file/6j8KfWd/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part2.rar
http://www.fileserve.com/file/9a3sSDf/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part3.rar


i still havent actually watched either in one sitting, but i have had both on my hard drive for months, thanks to my new wii media player i can play them on my wii over wifi without ever converting or burning to disk

[epicSocialism4tw]

This is the movie that is claimed to be Jared Loughner's inspiration for his "currency" obsession.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

pft

download it here

http://www.fileserve.com/file/5523hwc/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part1.rar
http://www.fileserve.com/file/6j8KfWd/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part2.rar
http://www.fileserve.com/file/9a3sSDf/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part3.rar

part 2 here

http://www.fileserve.com/file/5523hwc/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part1.rar
http://www.fileserve.com/file/6j8KfWd/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part2.rar
http://www.fileserve.com/file/9a3sSDf/Zeitgeist.2007.DVDRip.XviD.part3.rar


i still havent actually watched either in one sitting, but i have had both on my hard drive for months, thanks to my new wii media player i can play them on my wii over wifi without ever converting or burning to disk

Mr. Copyright Infringement, eh? tsk tsk

[orinjkrush]

"what is truth?"--Pontius Pilate

is your reality, real?