View Full Version : Late in the game - A DJ Williams sighting
dsmoot
09-30-2007, 06:56 PM
I saw him trailing the play.
Orange_Beard
09-30-2007, 07:01 PM
I have been listening on the radio. Don't think I have heard his name all day.
Popps
09-30-2007, 07:10 PM
That's D.J.... always out there making plays.
Denver724
09-30-2007, 07:14 PM
I think he got benched. I saw Winborn in at the end of the game.
yerner
09-30-2007, 07:25 PM
He officially sucks. Really, that dude is worthless.
Plain simple, DJ should never be counted on in a leadership/focal point role. The guy doesn't have the mentality or make to do it.
The only way he fits in here next year is if we cut Ian Gold which should happen.
We need to make sure that little baby DJ, never has to worry about two different responsibilities or taking on a blocker or having to make a game changing play. Just let him sit behind the play, run from behind and tackle people.
Seriously, this group of LB's makes me want to puke.
The same could be said for our DT position. PATHETIC.
Popps
09-30-2007, 07:43 PM
No, see... you guys are wrong. We just need to give DJ 13 more games before we can evaluate him.
::)
An average guy moved out of position... what do you expect.
orinjkrush
09-30-2007, 07:50 PM
its really clear that the defensive strategy and the defensive personnel are completely out of whack.
maven
09-30-2007, 07:57 PM
DJ is a COMPLETE bust at MIKE. No time or amount of coaching is going to change that.
chrisp
09-30-2007, 08:06 PM
Excuse me guys but check the stats. DJ led the team in tackles with 11, so you could argue he was one of the only guys who was doing anything like his job.
You see the other LBs are also supposed to make tackles too, but Gold and Webster (who everybody wants replacing DJ because of his 'intensity') got 7 BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. Bailey, Ferguson and Foxworth all got more then them.
SO the problem is not that our middle LB sucks, the problem is that the d-line in front of him and the two guys either side of him suck, OK? Nobody can look good in that kind of situation.
skpac1001
09-30-2007, 08:09 PM
I guess those people who value technique and instinct over athleticism at LB may be onto something. I will admit our LB's can run the wrong way faster then any other group of LB's in the league.
yerner
09-30-2007, 08:23 PM
Whatever bro, counted tackles don't mean crap to me when I see his retarded ass play. DJ runs around, past and bye every freaking play.
DJ was around the ball today...i realize he is still struggling with gap assignments but his coverage on Addai today impressed me
KansasBronco
09-30-2007, 08:57 PM
He had 11 tackles after the runner was 5 yards down the field. Ever heard of making a tackle for 1 or 2 yards? How many times did Al stuff the hole. Our defensive tackles are the worst we've had.
24champ
09-30-2007, 09:02 PM
DJ was doing well in the first and second quarters. He didn't do so hot in the second half. But hey let's just blame the whole defensive woes on DJ because after all we have such a bonafide Defensive line that does everything right. Plus Webster looked really good today...really good at getting run over. ::)
I think everyone had a crappy game all around on the defense. I also didn't like the zone coverage for the corners at various parts of the game. Champ got burned when he was in zone.
cutthemdown
09-30-2007, 09:02 PM
And to think our inside oranagemane camp reports said how good the linebacking looked. It's safe to say fans can watch practice and still not know s h i t.
shakenbake
09-30-2007, 09:07 PM
was DJ the one they said during the game that he was a state champion high school wrestler ?
ScottXray
09-30-2007, 09:11 PM
I guess those people who value technique and instinct over athleticism at LB may be onto something. I will admit our LB's can run the wrong way faster then any other group of LB's in the league.
LOL LOL Hilarious! Hilarious! ROFL!
Oh..it HURTS! Too bad this is true!:yayaya:
Bob's your Information Minister
09-30-2007, 09:17 PM
There can be no doubt now...
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9700/djth8qw7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
RunSilentRunDeep
09-30-2007, 09:33 PM
Don't blame him, blame the fricking coaches that put him in that position. Bates sucks (jumped the shark) Shanny over-reacted. We should have given Coyer more talent and kept continuity.
Popps
09-30-2007, 09:35 PM
He's not a bust. He's a passable player on the outside. He's a disaster on the inside.
They have to move him... now. Webster played MUCH better than he has.
Why not move Webster back inside? You'd improve BOTH positions. Friggin' no brainer.
24champ
09-30-2007, 09:42 PM
He's not a bust. He's a passable player on the outside. He's a disaster on the inside.
They have to move him... now. Webster played MUCH better than he has.
Why not move Webster back inside? You'd improve BOTH positions. Friggin' no brainer.
Webster won't improve anything. If he really was the guy for the job then Bates would have put him there. Nate nothing more than a backup at this point and today it showed.
maven
09-30-2007, 09:51 PM
He's not a bust. He's a passable player on the outside. He's a disaster on the inside.
They have to move him... now. Webster played MUCH better than he has.
Why not move Webster back inside? You'd improve BOTH positions. Friggin' no brainer.
Draft a legit MIKE in the 1st/2nd round or spend the bucks in FA next year. Move DJ to WILL where he belongs. Ian Gold? Get the F out of town.
Broncos123
09-30-2007, 09:59 PM
Hardly noticed Webster at all today. Only time was when they mentioned tthat he was a state wrestling champion. God, we need help at all three linebacker positions. Most coaches or gms would implement a scheme that fits the players, it seems that we have a scheme that does not fit our players. He cannot fit a square peg in a round hole. Unless Bates came in here and thought he could use the players in his system. If he did he can not evaluate talent either. Although when he was hired Al Wilson was still on the roster. We need major help on D!!
dsmoot
09-30-2007, 10:58 PM
He had 11 tackles after the runner was 5 yards down the field. Ever heard of making a tackle for 1 or 2 yards? How many times did Al stuff the hole. Our defensive tackles are the worst we've had.
After focusing on DJ, it does make me appreciate the good years of Al Wilson. Not that DJ is a bad player, but he just doesn't have the natural anticipation/read of the play to be in the right gap in the MLB position. I don't think he lacks anything athletically as compared to Zack Thomas, he just doesn't have that instinct to do the right thing quickly. Most of his tackles were downfield. I got jealous whenever I saw the Colt linebackers filling the gaps much more effectively.
Rohirrim
09-30-2007, 11:04 PM
I guess those people who value technique and instinct over athleticism at LB may be onto something. I will admit our LB's can run the wrong way faster then any other group of LB's in the league.
LOL I'm amazed at DJ's almost psychic ability to hit the wrong hole. I mean, hey, it's usually 50/50. You'd think that at least half the time he'd suss out the right one - just by chance.
Bigdawg26
09-30-2007, 11:14 PM
Why is everybody blaming DJ. I mean God he lead the team in tackles. He was NOT THE GUY THE GOT BURTH IN THE ENDZONE for a touchdown that was Ian Gold (The linebacker everybody thinks can cover so well and is "Amazing in space" but was getting worked by Dallas Clark all game long). Nate Webster wasnt a factor either. I think it was Gold that got benched for Winborn because he cant cover. I dont care if Al Wilson "the messiah linebacker" was out there he couldnt stop the run when he has guards and centers getting INTO THE SECOND LEVEL EASILY and going after the MLB. Even Ray Lewis said it was hard for him when he did not have big bodies DT's taking on blocks and taking on double teams and ALLOWING HIM TO ROAM UNTOUCHED WHICH DJ CANT BECAUSE OUR DT's CANT TAKE ON BLOCKS AND GET DOUBLED TEAMED.
maven
09-30-2007, 11:18 PM
I will admit our LB's can run the wrong way faster then any other group of LB's in the league.
Hot damn that's funny! After today's game, thanx for the laugh.:spit:
24champ
09-30-2007, 11:21 PM
Why is everybody blaming DJ. I mean God he lead the team in tackles. I was NOT THE GUY THE GOT BURTH IN THE ENDZONE for a touchdown that was Ian Gold (The linebacker everybody thinks can cover so well and is "Amazing in space" but was getting worked by Dallas Clark all game long). Nate Webster wasnt a factor either. I think it was Gold that got benched for Winborn because he cant cover. I dont care if Al Wilson "the messiah linebacker" was out there he couldnt stop the run when he has guards and centers getting INTO THE SECOND LEVEL EASILY and going after the MLB. Even Ray Lewis said it was hard for him when he did not have big bodies DT's taking on blocks and taking on double teams and ALLOWING HIM TO ROAM UNTOUCHED WHICH DJ CANT BECAUSE OUR DT's CANT TAKE ON BLOCKS AND GET DOUBLED TEAMED.
Post of the day. Rep to you sir.
The last part is really the most crucial part of the Bates scheme. Obviously we got rid of that lazy fat f*** Warren because he doesn't want to take up blockers. When we start playing DTs worth a crap then our LB play will improve significantly.
Why is everybody blaming DJ.
Because it's..."COOL".
BroncoSoja
09-30-2007, 11:24 PM
OH HELL NO!
Me and like 2 other guys were saying this in the preseason and were bashed from thread to thread about it.
Remember all the he needs more time to learn his position? And you suck DJ will be fine remarks tossed my way?
Hell no you people better jump back on that bandwagon and ride that trick to the wheels fall off.
24champ
09-30-2007, 11:31 PM
OH HELL NO!
Me and like 2 other guys were saying this in the preseason and were bashed from thread to thread about it.
Remember all the he needs more time to learn his position? And you suck DJ will be fine remarks tossed my way?
Hell no you people better jump back on that bandwagon and ride that trick to the wheels fall off.
Hey look, sh** for brains showed up. Can't say I am surprised.
Willynowei
09-30-2007, 11:36 PM
DJ has definitely improved over last week, thats the bright spot. I watched him the whole game, he's getting better. Whether that means anything to the people ready to crucify him, I don't know.
LOL I'm amazed at DJ's almost psychic ability to hit the wrong hole. I mean, hey, it's usually 50/50. You'd think that at least half the time he'd suss out the right one - just by chance.
Thats so funny that people think just because DJ gets some stats, he's playing well. Stats don't tell the same story as the the film. Hell, if the tackles are coming 10 yards down the field. If its third and three, he's sitting on his heels not moving, make the tackle after the 1st down marker.
DJ and Ian also won't take on blocks... they refuse to. They would rather run underneath a blocking scheme with no chance of making a tackle vs. going through a player or making a move to get that tackle. That equates to a lack of toughness, guts, and playmaking ability.
We are sitting on three donuts right now with our LBs and there is no leadership coming from any of them.
Bigdawg26
09-30-2007, 11:43 PM
Yeah He's gotten better but in reality I'm still a DJ fan, but he is like a Derrick Brooks or Lance Briggs type of player. He is not a physical guy he is more a of athletic playmaker that can cover a tight end or running back with ease and HELP make tackles in the running game. Now with that said I think he is trying his best and is IMPROVING at the MLB position, but it's not his natural position and his DT's are not making it any easier on him. I don't think he is overrated at all, but you never saw and will see Derrick Brooks, Keith Bulluck, or Lance Briggs( who are great linebackers) at the MLB position because they're the best linebacker you got.
BroncoSoja
10-01-2007, 12:14 AM
Hey look, sh** for brains showed up. Can't say I am surprised.
Where? where's your mom at? Oh tell tell the skank I said hello.
BroncoSoja
10-01-2007, 12:16 AM
DJ has definitely improved over last week, thats the bright spot. I watched him the whole game, he's getting better. Whether that means anything to the people ready to crucify him, I don't know.
Yeah I really liked the play where he gets blown up, and I mean that literally cause he flew back like 2 feet at the goalline.. I think it was in the second qtr.
Maybe next week he can get even better and just get ran over.
24champ
10-01-2007, 12:28 AM
Where? where's your mom at? Oh tell tell the skank I said hello.
Weak. Mom jokes are so 1995.
BroncoSoja
10-01-2007, 12:45 AM
Weak. Mom jokes are so 1995.
So is this defense. Whoops did I say that?.. Actually the 95 D probably was better.
Requiem
10-01-2007, 12:50 AM
Actually, DJ had a solid first half. He was good in pursuit and made several plays behind the L.O.S and was good in coverage on some passes to the Indianapolis backs. I don't know where he was in the second half, but where was anybody?
Actually, it was Gold who got benched and was replaced by Winborn.
In order for the linebackers to have success in this defense, we need an interior presence and we don't have that.
Did any of you see the ridiculous line-ups we were putting on the front for today? A 3-4 look with Moss playing "rover" and our DE's inside and some of our DT's outside?
Just ****in' silly. We don't have the guys to be effective. It starts up front.
rovolution
10-01-2007, 12:50 AM
So is this defense. Whoops did I say that?.. Actually the 95 D probably was better.
ROFL! so sad but so true!!!
The 1995 team had the worst LB group ive ever seen on a broncos team, featuring the likes of Shane Dronett and other scrubs.
But this LB trio is slowly gaining that mantle.
TheChamp24
10-01-2007, 12:51 AM
I stopped reading after the 1st page. DJ sucks right now, plain and simple. Watching the game, on the runs, I kept asking myself where the effin hell is DJ? Then he would show up 15 yards down the field to make the tackle. Thats just fantastic.
Our DT's and LB's are worthless right now.
Requiem
10-01-2007, 12:53 AM
Thats so funny that people think just because DJ gets some stats, he's playing well. Stats don't tell the same story as the the film. Hell, if the tackles are coming 10 yards down the field. If its third and three, he's sitting on his heels not moving, make the tackle after the 1st down marker.
DJ and Ian also won't take on blocks... they refuse to. They would rather run underneath a blocking scheme with no chance of making a tackle vs. going through a player or making a move to get that tackle. That equates to a lack of toughness, guts, and playmaking ability.
We are sitting on three donuts right now with our LBs and there is no leadership coming from any of them.
You know I'm a big fan of yours and enjoy your posts but DJ was lights out in the first half. He was always around the ball, and he wasn't around the ball ten yards after the ball was down field. He made several nice plays around the LOS, and was excellent in pursuit. He did a great job of blowing up two pass plays as well.
Has DJ been lights out so far? Absolutely not, and there's room for improvement, but it's hard to even do your job when you don't have an interior defensive line to keep the offensive lineman out of your face. Is it an excuse for poor play? Not necessarily, but it's a reason why our linebackers are struggling.
DJ had a good first half, but you can't say the same for any of the other linebackers. Gold was even benched (not DJ) by Winborn at the end of the game because of major suck-i-tude.
maher_tyler
10-01-2007, 01:22 AM
its really clear that the defensive strategy and the defensive personnel are completely out of whack.
Good call...cut Gold and put DJ back at the weakside move Webster to the middle and draft a couple of LB's and possibly pick someone up in FA??
enjolras
10-01-2007, 01:40 AM
I took the night off from posting.. I'm just to angry to be rational.
But seriously, how can you even make the argument that DJ was anything but horrible today? I'm not sure he hasn't gotten worse. Even when he accidentally gets into the right spot, his tackling is just atrocious. When he's square up on a runner he has an amazing ability to miss.
I just don't think he sees the game well from the middle. Maybe it's something he can learn, but right now unless he's attacking an edge he just sucks.
Bob's your Information Minister
10-01-2007, 01:45 AM
When he's square up on a runner he has an amazing ability to miss.
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/331/96332509ki1.gif (http://imageshack.us)
skpac1001
10-01-2007, 09:45 AM
In order for the linebackers to have success in this defense, we need an interior presence and we don't have that.
No doubt about it, with our DT's any group of LB's would look average at best. But our LB's look pretty bad to me even when they do get a chance to make a play. Every game this season so far you basically watch the rb's pinball off of at least 3 players until a corner or safty takes them down. And that is when they are actually in the right position to make a play.
Beantown Bronco
10-01-2007, 10:56 AM
Why is everybody blaming DJ. I mean God he lead the team in tackles. He was NOT THE GUY THE GOT BURTH IN THE ENDZONE for a touchdown that was Ian Gold (The linebacker everybody thinks can cover so well and is "Amazing in space" but was getting worked by Dallas Clark all game long).
Wrong. People need to quit perpetuating this myth. Clark had 6 catches for 76 yards, 3 of which came against Gold. The other 3 came against a combination of Bailey and Foxworth. Gold was not getting worked all game long....he dropped into coverage around 30 times and got beat by his man less than 5 times.
Rock Chalk
10-01-2007, 11:12 AM
Excuse me guys but check the stats. DJ led the team in tackles with 11, so you could argue he was one of the only guys who was doing anything like his job.
You see the other LBs are also supposed to make tackles too, but Gold and Webster (who everybody wants replacing DJ because of his 'intensity') got 7 BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. Bailey, Ferguson and Foxworth all got more then them.
SO the problem is not that our middle LB sucks, the problem is that the d-line in front of him and the two guys either side of him suck, OK? Nobody can look good in that kind of situation.
So he got 11 tackles. Of which 2 of them were close to the LOS. There were no les than 4 blown coverages by DJ and he was chasing down RBs that got past him because he cant shed blocks.
**** the tackle stat, its mostly worthless.
WolfpackGuy
10-01-2007, 11:16 AM
The disturbing thing about the run defense is NOBODY is home on a lot of plays. Sometimes it looks like opposing running backs have to FIND Broncos to tackle/whiff on them. I think I could put up 30 yards rushing against the Broncos right now. Okay, 20 maybe...
TheReverend
10-01-2007, 11:32 AM
Why is everybody blaming DJ. I mean God he lead the team in tackles. He was NOT THE GUY THE GOT BURTH IN THE ENDZONE for a touchdown that was Ian Gold (The linebacker everybody thinks can cover so well and is "Amazing in space" but was getting worked by Dallas Clark all game long). Nate Webster wasnt a factor either. I think it was Gold that got benched for Winborn because he cant cover. I dont care if Al Wilson "the messiah linebacker" was out there he couldnt stop the run when he has guards and centers getting INTO THE SECOND LEVEL EASILY and going after the MLB. Even Ray Lewis said it was hard for him when he did not have big bodies DT's taking on blocks and taking on double teams and ALLOWING HIM TO ROAM UNTOUCHED WHICH DJ CANT BECAUSE OUR DT's CANT TAKE ON BLOCKS AND GET DOUBLED TEAMED.
You actually edited that?
TheReverend
10-01-2007, 11:47 AM
There are two large areas for concern with DJ.
#1. Wrong reads... this is correctable and hopefully with film study he'll improve until it becomes second nature.
#2. A more substantial issue because it's been a problem his entire football career: Running around blocks.
The guy isn't lacking in any athletic area... physically he's a monster. Unfortunately those gifts that made it so simple to juke blockers in highschool and on the collegiate level just won't work in the NFL. Year in and year out it's the same problem, and something is going to have change to force him to engage.