Team needs Jake's playbook.

[jmz313]

Not sure if it went to Texas with Kubes, or Shanny Burned it the day he drafted cutler but if would be nice to have it back.

Just my opinion but keeping teams off balance with lots of play action and boots worked way too well for a QB with an average arm, decent legs and average decision making skills. Insert Cutler, with a great arm, decent legs and decent decision making skills and that should go well.

with Travis henry, grahamn, Marshall, and javon supporting Cutler, theres no reason we couldn't be much more effective then Jake, Tatum/mike, Lelie, smith from 2005. Not too mention when we need some pocket passing when behind (which jake could never succeed at) cutler has proven to be effective already.

The O hasn't scared anyone since NE in 2005 playoffs. We don't surprise anyone.

BUT, I,m convinced the reason shanny has done this is he is trying to turn jay into a 5 year Vet after 1 full season by constantly putting the load on him. Then, next year, the O will be Indy west.

[listopencil]

That O doesn't work when your running game is ineffective.

[jmz313]

Pretty sure the Running game was effective in weeks 1 and 2.

[listopencil]

Not really. We couldn't run it to get first downs and we couldn't run in the Red Zone. We racked up yards but couldn't get anything done until the Raiders were demoralised by the missed FG in OT.

[Broncos123]

Not really. We couldn't run it to get first downs and we couldn't run in the Red Zone. We racked up yards but couldn't get anything done until the Raiders were demoralised by the missed FG in OT.

We ran it in the first two games when we needed it. In overtime Henry had two or three 10 yarders.

[Crushaholic]

Cutler needs to learn to run the boot. Jake's bootleg was a thing of beauty. The problem with him is that he couldn't throw from the pocket and teams exploited that weakness. Jay can throw from the pocket. Now, he needs to stretch the defense laterally to keep defenses off balance.

[Sassy]

That O doesn't work when your running game is ineffective.

It did for Favre yesterday ;D

[Popps]

The funny thing is just how dead-on exact this team looks this year as compared to last. Better QB, same results.

But, that should have been obvious to anyone paying attention.... and if it wasn't then, it is now.

[bpc]

Not sure if it went to Texas with Kubes, or Shanny Burned it the day he drafted cutler but if would be nice to have it back.

Just my opinion but keeping teams off balance with lots of play action and boots worked way too well for a QB with an average arm, decent legs and average decision making skills. Insert Cutler, with a great arm, decent legs and decent decision making skills and that should go well.

with Travis henry, grahamn, Marshall, and javon supporting Cutler, theres no reason we couldn't be much more effective then Jake, Tatum/mike, Lelie, smith from 2005. Not too mention when we need some pocket passing when behind (which jake could never succeed at) cutler has proven to be effective already.

The O hasn't scared anyone since NE in 2005 playoffs. We don't surprise anyone.

BUT, I,m convinced the reason shanny has done this is he is trying to turn jay into a 5 year Vet after 1 full season by constantly putting the load on him. Then, next year, the O will be Indy west.

Did you watch the offense in week 1 and 2? And you are clammoring for the offense we had in week 1 and 2 of last season?

You should have your posting rights revoked.

[elsid13]

The funny thing is just how dead-on exact this team looks this year as compared to last. Better QB, same results.

But, that should have been obvious to anyone paying attention.... and if it wasn't then, it is now.

That not really true, this team has two come from behind wins, something that didn't happen last year and has shown that it has the ability to be very good offense. Beside even down yesterday back up within our 10, I felt that Cutler was going to make a play to get us down to score- I haven't felt like that in long time. But it time to move on from last season.

Now to the original question, the boots will come as the team are forced to stop Henry's runs, and start to flow to the runner actions. Right now, teams have been pretty discipline at staying home and forcing Cutler to beat them. He shown that he can get it done passing the ball. Yesterday Jax Dline did a very good job of penerating the gaps and staying at home.

[Beantown Bronco]

The funny thing is just how dead-on exact this team looks this year as compared to last. Better QB, same results.

But, that should have been obvious to anyone paying attention.... and if it wasn't then, it is now.

Maybe you mean just the offense and not in fact the whole team.....because I would kill for last year's September defense right now.

[Sassy]

We saw that D briefly last week...until after the lightening delay.

[Odysseus]

That O doesn't work when your running game is ineffective.

Wait a minute! You mean if your defense is on the field a whole goo gob of minutes that they start to get punch drunk and tired?

Hold on! Does that apply to all the top running backs that are getting stuffed this year?

Chargers, and Bears have a lot harder road than our team. They have to deal with internal and external pressure in the shadow of last year's success.

It's too bad that Mike Gundy had to defend his players. It's too bad he was right.

[Popps]

That not really true, this team has two come from behind wins, something that didn't happen last year and has shown that it has the ability to be very good offense. Beside even down yesterday back up within our 10, I felt that Cutler was going to make a play to get us down to score- I haven't felt like that in long time. But it time to move on from last season.

Now to the original question, the boots will come as the team are forced to stop Henry's runs, and start to flow to the runner actions. Right now, teams have been pretty discipline at staying home and forcing Cutler to beat them. He shown that he can get it done passing the ball. Yesterday Jax Dline did a very good job of penerating the gaps and staying at home.

Yea, that's a great job of missing the point.

We can't dictate games. Hence, we can't win games. Being able to "come back more often" just means you're crappy enough to be down every week.

The point is simple... the quarterback position is STILL not the problem with this team. YES, we improved the position and we're all happy about that.

We also have the best CBs in the game. A lot of good that does us.

We got a fancy new RB and TE. A lot of good that does us.

It's a matter of simple, basic, Pop-warner football philosophy. You push people around or get pushed around. We GET pushed around and the solution for some around here is that it's fine to be pushed around, we'll just expect Cutler to dig us out of it. That's not a logical strategy, whatsoever.

[Popps]

Maybe you mean just the offense and not in fact the whole team.....because I would kill for last year's September defense right now.

Sadly, that's probably true. We're a bit more explosive, offensively... but still can't impose our will on teams when we need to, and it's not like we're lighting up the scoreboard.

[jmz313]

Did you watch the offense in week 1 and 2? And you are clammoring for the offense we had in week 1 and 2 of last season?

You should have your posting rights revoked.

NO, That was after Shanny drafted cutler, Kubes left and Plummer got thrown to the wolves with game plans not suited for him. I'm clammoring for the same O that we went 10-6, 10-6, 13-3 with. Only with better talent.

We scare no one, everything is predictable, we used to be unpredictable and threatening.

[~Crash~]

Did you watch the offense in week 1 and 2? And you are clammoring for the offense we had in week 1 and 2 of last season?

You should he have posting rights revoked.

why is that ? his post is not that bad at all .for that matter when we won the SB the O that he is talking about killed other teams all the options make it imposible to cover everyone . sprit right done right kills teams thoe options of that play are also many ! We have lost the sole of this IMO.

[~Crash~]

Yea, that's a great job of missing the point.

We can't dictate games. Hence, we can't win games. Being able to "come back more often" just means you're crappy enough to be down every week.

The point is simple... the quarterback position is STILL not the problem with this team. YES, we improved the position and we're all happy about that.

We also have the best CBs in the game. A lot of good that does us.

We got a fancy new RB and TE. A lot of good that does us.

It's a matter of simple, basic, Pop-warner football philosophy. You push people around or get pushed around. We GET pushed around and the solution for some around here is that it's fine to be pushed around, we'll just expect Cutler to dig us out of it. That's not a logical strategy, whatsoever.

Pops you say pushed around I say that we missed tackles . When is this team going to learn to wrap up ? Champ is the only player on our team that knows how to tackle!?!?!?

[~Crash~]

NO, That was after Shanny drafted cutler, Kubes left and Plummer got thrown to the wolves with game plans not suited for him. I'm clammoring for the same O that we went 10-6, 10-6, 13-3 with. Only with better talent.

We scare no one, everything is predictable, we used to be unpredictable and threatening.

I think you are talking the same game plan used by Steve Young and Elway ...

Its not like jay cannot do this game plan . it is just more options off of one play the thing is with jay if you do not have options and are locked into plays if the D calls the right play and there is no option the play gets stuffed . sometimes the QB needs to run to keep the D honest Sprint right done right is darn hard to defend the DT's have to honner The RB the DE have to watch the QB the LB'ers cannot sell out .

[BroncoBuff]

DIS-AH-GREEE!!! The #1 story this year is the return of the unstoppable offense ... even after yesterday, and after the Pats and Cowboys have rolled up yards, we are still the #6 offense in the League. We've had some trouble sticking it into the end zone in weeks 1 and 2, but it's way to early to invoke "Jake" fer hevvinsake!

You can't score if you don't have the ball. And we had the ball an historically few number of times and for an historically few number of plays yesterday:
1) The Jags ran up an 11:44 drive - more than 1 full minute longer than their longest possession ever.
2) We got the ball back - for just the THIRD TIME in the half, with 1:55 left.
3) Jay's gonna move it, right? Nope - Selvin fumbles, Jags bag an easy 3 going into halftime.
4) Fine - we get the ball to start the 2nd half, right? Nope - Hxon fumbles, Jags bag another easy three.
5) Next possession - a 3rd down pass to Stokely falls a yard short
6) Next possession - move to Jags 2, Jay cut down on a 4th down sneak while Graham is inexplicably on the sideline.


I'm just gonna say SCREW IT - I'm washing my hands of this one.

We're alone in first place, 6th in O and 4th in D in the league - with an enormous roster of skill position talent. On to Indy, I shal speak no more of this forever.

[~Crash~]

DIS-AH-GREEE!!! The #1 story this year is the return of the unstoppable offense ... even after yesterday, and after the Pats and Cowboys have rolled up yards, we are still the #6 offense in the League. We've had some trouble sticking it into the end zone in weeks 1 and 2, but it's way to early to invoke "Jake" fer hevvinsake!

You can't score if you don't have the ball. And we had the ball an historically few number of times and for an historically few number of plays yesterday:
1) The Jags ran up an 11:44 drive - more than 1 full minute longer than their longest possession ever.
2) We got the ball back - for just the THIRD TIME in the half, with 1:55 left.
3) Jay's gonna move it, right? Nope - Selvin fumbles, Jags bag an easy 3 going into halftime.
4) Fine - we get the ball to start the 2nd half, right? Nope - Hxon fumbles, Jags bag another easy three.
5) Next possession - a 3rd down pass to Stokely falls a yard short
6) Next possession - move to Jags 2, Jay cut down on a 4th down sneak while Graham is inexplicably on the sideline.


I'm just gonna say SCREW IT - I'm washing my hands of this one.

We're alone in first place, 6th in O and 4th in D in the league - with an enormous roster of skill position talent. On to Indy, I shal speak no more of this forever.


Are you telling me we should never use half the plays in our play book ? That is silly if the D counters we should have a counter wile the game is in motion ! we won 2 SB's and Coach won 3 SB's doing this . Each week Teams add new stuff to there O's and D's with the idea of getting new and young players up to snuff for the play offs

[Popps]

Pops you say pushed around I say that we missed tackles . When is this team going to learn to wrap up ? Champ is the only player on our team that knows how to tackle!?!?!?

Agree and agree. Bailey is one of the most fundamentally sound tacklers in the NFL.

Too bad the schmucks like Gold and Williams can't learn to drive through a guy and actually wrap up instead of just sort of flailing at people.

Good god, when was the last time Williams or Gold laid an "ooooo!!!!" hit on a guy? Honestly, I don't know if Williams has EVER made a Sportscenter hit.
Wilson used to make one a game.

As for being pushed around... the only one that doesn't get pushed around is Adams, and he's just sort of taking up space. When the other three are shoved backwards, bad things are going to happen.

[TDmvp]

you have to be joking . we all hated that play book a year ago lol .... either we run it at you or we boot off that with a 2 person pass option normally... o come on ....

the kid can throw from the pocket or on the move and get to the 3rd read ... if you really want lastyears playbook i feel for you ....

[bpc]

Did some of you guys even see week 1 and 2? We are moving the ball all over the field.

Now do I disagree with a play every now and again? Yes.

Do I agree we should bootleg more? Yes.

I think it silly to ask for our old playbood which Jake Plummer ruined. We ran the same plays, he just didn't execute them as well.

[~Crash~]

you have to be joking . we all hated that play book a year ago lol .... either we run it at you or we boot off that with a 2 person pass option normally... o come on ....

the kid can throw from the pocket or on the move and get to the 3rd read ... if you really want lastyears playbook i feel for you ....

you act as though you cannot use all the play book . that was what plummer gave us half the play book I thought that is why we brought in Cutler was to use all the play book? I guess you think NFL teams are just going to sit around and let us beat them deep each week you need to be able to keep teams guessing and so fare we have been doing basicly the same game plane week after week .we are kind of in the same rut . agreed I like this rut but it is time to add on to this O missdirction will kill teams that over play the run

[~Crash~]

Did some of you guys even see week 1 and 2? We are moving the ball all over the field.

Now do I disagree with a play every now and again? Yes.

Do I agree we should bootleg more? Yes.

I think it silly to ask for our old playbood which Jake Plummer ruined. We ran the same plays, he just didn't execute them as well.

when put like that much better :~ohyah!: we need to use all of our plays not half like we had to do for plummer to be any good.

thing is we need to design a few plays were we drop back cutler
on passing plays and set up designed running plays right up the gut to keep the D playes on the other side a little nervous to just tee off on our O-line

[jmz313]

I'm never said to bastardize Jay's abilities. Let him do what Jake did and open it up form there. Jake won a lot of games for the broncos and it wasn;t cause he shouldered the load.

The coaches game planned taking jakes skills into consideration and looked to give him high percentage passes. It seems the coaches are now game planning based on what peyton manning could do. Newsflash, Culter is a 8 GAME Vet, not a 8 year vet.

2-1 is nice but it is a mirage unless our O starts helping the D out with some TOP and some scoring. Take the Opposition out of run at all costs mode. Its the only way our D will be successful. The O is as Vanilla as it gets.

[maher_tyler]

It's only going into week 4 guys...remember all the new additions we got in the offseason..what i'm hoping for is that in the second half of the year we start putting it together stopping the run and getting points on the board...from the way things are looking someone might win the division going 10-6..even if we lose on sunday we're still 2-2..with the way SD is playing i don't see why we can't beat them at home to go 3-2 going into the bye week..hopefully we work on some things during that time and come outta the bye kickin some ass while continueing to grow..right now were just trying to get everything on the same page.

[jmz313]

It's only going into week 4 guys...remember all the new additions we got in the offseason..what i'm hoping for is that in the second half of the year we start putting it together stopping the run and getting points on the board...from the way things are looking someone might win the division going 10-6..even if we lose on sunday we're still 2-2..with the way SD is playing i don't see why we can't beat them at home to go 3-2 going into the bye week..hopefully we work on some things during that time and come outta the bye kickin some ass while continueing to grow..right now were just trying to get everything on the same page.

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to arrange a mass suicide or push the panic button. After 3 games, the O is just doesn't seem like a broncos team. Shanny is always billed as the coach who keeps the other teams off balance. Opposing D's seem to have no problem understanding what the Broncos are doing.