The official Jay Cutler VS Vince Young Thread

[Punisher]

This guy won the Rookie of the year last year,In my eyes hes the new kordell stewart. People around me say he will have a better career than jay cutler but time will tell...Ill compare and contrast stats every week

week 1:Cutler 23/39 304 td1 int1 rate 81.6 Young 11/18 78 td 0 int 1 rate 47.9
week 2:Cutler 23/33 269 td1 int2 rate 79.0 Young 17/27 184 td1 int0 rate 95.3
week 3:Cutler 16/23 222yards 1 td 1 int Young 14/22 164 yards 2 tds 1 int
week 4:Cutler 13/21 1td 1int Young BYE WEEK

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[SureShot]

Cutler 2-0
Young 1-1

[broncosteven]

Hey it is tougher to be a QB of color, just ask Dovan McNabb.

[Punisher]

Hey it is tougher to be a QB of color, just ask Dovan McNabb.

lol

[Kaylore]

Young doesn't have anyone to throw to. I still think Young will be a good QB. Same with Leinert, who also led his team down the field to win the game on Sunday. It's possible this is going to be like the 1983 class of QB's. How crazy would it be if it was so and the Broncos got one both times?

[broncosteven]

Young doesn't have anyone to throw to. I still think Young will be a good QB. Same with Leinert, who also led his team down the field to win the game on Sunday. It's possible this is going to be like the 1983 class of QB's. How crazy would it be if it was so and the Broncos got one both times?

If any team should be running the option it should be titans.

[RhymesayersDU]

-insert Alec tirade in 3...2....1....-

[epicSocialism4tw]

There's no need to diminish Young's ability to compliment Cutler. Cutler doesnt have to be "better" than Young every week for me to enjoy him. Same for Young.

Both of these cats are fine young players. The value of our selection of Jay Cutler is not really heightened by whether or not he is better than Young (or Leinart for that matter).

Just be glad that we have a young QB with outstanding potential.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There's no need to diminish Young's ability to compliment Cutler. Cutler doesnt have to be "better" than Young every week for me to enjoy him. Same for Young.

Both of these cats are fine young players. The value of our selection of Jay Cutler is not really heightened by whether or not he is better than Young (or Leinart for that matter).

Just be glad that we have a young QB with outstanding potential.Right! They coined the term bandwagon after listening to your tripe (see sig).

[RhymesayersDU]

There's no need to diminish Young's ability to compliment Cutler. Cutler doesnt have to be "better" than Young every week for me to enjoy him. Same for Young.

Both of these cats are fine young players. The value of our selection of Jay Cutler is not really heightened by whether or not he is better than Young (or Leinart for that matter).

Just be glad that we have a young QB with outstanding potential.

100% right on. I experience(d) this with Nuggets fans all the time. People always try to make it a "LeBron sucks/Carmelo rules" deal. And I always wonder, why can't both of them rule, along with DWade and Bosh for that matter? Although, this was before LeBron took his team to the Finals, which has basically ended that. But that first year, when the R.O.Y. was up for grabs, it was bad. And it was stupid.

[Kaylore]

-insert Alec tirade in 3...2....1....-
Oh he'll be here.

[kamakazi_kal]

he's just another runningback with an arm.
everyone in the league was all geeked when vick came in.
young is bigger but vick was faster, they both won games with their feet the first few years, QB's like that get hurt or never develop into great passers.
IMO
he's winning some close games but eventually everyone craps out.
(denver has been rolling 7's for 2 weeks now)

leave 99% of the running to the backs
still fun to watch em though.........now as for hollywood lineart....

[kamakazi_kal]

Right! They coined the term bandwagon after listening to your tripe (see sig).

in the words of madden.....BOOM!!!

[Punisher]

he's just another runningback with an arm.
everyone in the league was all geeked when vick came in.
young is bigger but vick was faster, they both won games with their feet the first few years, QB's like that get hurt or never develop into great passers.
IMO
he's winning some close games but eventually everyone craps out.
(denver has been rolling 7's for 2 weeks now)

leave 99% of the running to the backs
still fun to watch em though.........now as for hollywood lineart....

Agree :)

[epicSocialism4tw]

100% right on. I experience(d) this with Nuggets fans all the time. People always try to make it a "LeBron sucks/Carmelo rules" deal. And I always wonder, why can't both of them rule, along with DWade and Bosh for that matter? Although, this was before LeBron took his team to the Finals, which has basically ended that. But that first year, when the R.O.Y. was up for grabs, it was bad. And it was stupid.

Well, we're going to have to deal with that stuff floating around the Cutler conversations as well. ??? It's one of those things where the pre-draft hype of places like ESPN carry over into their careers. We still hear of comparisons among the QB class of '83.

I like Cutler quite a bit, and I'm glad that he's the one that's here. He fits what Shanny wants to do much better than either Leinart or Young did. Shanny saw that, and wasted no time jumping up to grab him. If Shanny would have had the third pick, he might have still taken Cutler.

I have the feeling that Young will win an MVP. Cutler will probably win a SB MVP. I would rather see the latter.

[Rock Chalk]

There's no need to diminish Young's ability to compliment Cutler. Cutler doesnt have to be "better" than Young every week for me to enjoy him. Same for Young.

Both of these cats are fine young players. The value of our selection of Jay Cutler is not really heightened by whether or not he is better than Young (or Leinart for that matter).

Just be glad that we have a young QB with outstanding potential.

:shrug: every now and then even a mad yak can find a nut.

[Rock Chalk]

Oh he'll be here.

Naw, there is no need to get into this argument on a Bronco site.

Like the md yaks said, I see no reason to belittle either of their accomplishments or compare them to one another. Its such a heavily weighted team sport that statistical comparisons are inaccurate at best and team comparisons are unfair to individuals.

Both will have fine, outstanding careers I believe. People here will always bash Young though, no matter what because Young will ALWAYS have more attention in the media than Cutler. Simple as that. They cant accept that no one but us gives a crap about Denver or their players. No need for me to defend Young. He has already succeeded in the NFL, he has gotten fans of other teams to tune in because yo just never know.

Hell I thought he was gonna pull off a little miracle against the Colts and I wager, many many other people including Manning himself, did too.

[Punisher]

Naw, there is no need to get into this argument on a Bronco site.

Like the md yaks said, I see no reason to belittle either of their accomplishments or compare them to one another. Its such a heavily weighted team sport that statistical comparisons are inaccurate at best and team comparisons are unfair to individuals.

Both will have fine, outstanding careers I believe. People here will always bash Young though, no matter what because Young will ALWAYS have more attention in the media than Cutler. Simple as that. They cant accept that no one but us gives a crap about Denver or their players. No need for me to defend Young. He has already succeeded in the NFL, he has gotten fans of other teams to tune in because yo just never know.

Hell I thought he was gonna pull off a little miracle against the Colts and I wager, many many other people including Manning himself, did too.

I see what your saying but Cutler is a better QB than Young and if i have to compare there stats to help my argument then so be it.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I see what your saying but Cutler is a better QB than Young and if i have to compare there stats to help my argument then so be it.

Well, as good as Cut can be, he has a ways to go to catch up with Young. Young has the single greatest game by a single player in any level of football under his belt. That national championship game was a one-man show of the type I have only seen from Mike Jordan in a team sport.

Cut will have his chances, and he's playing for the right coach to become great. Let's just enjoy the show, eh? No need to try to prop Cut up next to Vince. Cut will stand on his own merits soon enough.

[400HZ]

Vince Young is the man. 9-4 with a crappy overall team.

[theAPAOps5]

Vince Young is the man. 9-4 with a crappy overall team.

Well the Titans and Broncos have one thing going for them. They both have a QB better than the one the Chargers have. My god what a turn of events for Rivers. :approve:

By the way I would remove the "Revenge Week" from your sig. There was nothing revengeful about that butt rape your team just received. The Patriots will be doing that same thing to MANY teams this year. They are scary good.

[400HZ]

One dropped pass away from being 2-0 lifetime against melonhead, too.

[400HZ]

Well the Titans and Broncos have one thing going for them. They both have a QB better than the one the Chargers have. My god what a turn of events for Rivers. :approve:

Easy to say when Cutler has played two of the worst teams in the NFL and Rivers has played two of the best. The season is still young. :strong:

[theAPAOps5]

I know I am just smacking you around a bit.





















But I am right.

[Paladin]

Speaking of finding nuts.......

[elsid13]

Vince Young is the man. 9-4 with a crappy overall team.

That not really true - that Titans are crappy team. It has a lot of young talent on it, that most people don't know. And in reality the Titans really started winning last season when Henry become the featured back, and they started to running the ball on constant basis.

The whole idea it's just Young and 41 scrubs is ESPiN's myth, just like the Chargers are greatest team never to make the playoffs.

[Paladin]

What the h3ll does a Yak want with a nut, for crisake?

[skpac1001]

I think the titans made the best choice picking young, because more then anything that team needs playmakers, and thats what he is. Cutler and Lienart would have had terrible seasons last year with the Titans. All the same, I think Young is a qb who makes a crappy team average and an average team good, but to me he won't be a guy who makes a good team into a championship team. Playoff teams need ball distributers at qb, not qb's who hang on to the ball as often as they throw it, and he has not yet shown even average NFL ability at distributing the ball. I really do think each of the 3 teams that picked a qb in that draft got the one that helps thier team the most.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think the titans made the best choice picking young, because more then anything that team needs playmakers, and thats what he is. Cutler and Lienart would have had terrible seasons last year with the Titans. All the same, I think Young is a qb who makes a crappy team average and an average team good, but to me he won't be a guy who makes a good team into a championship team. Playoff teams need ball distributers at qb, not qb's who hang on to the ball as often as they throw it, and he has not yet shown even average NFL ability at distributing the ball. I really do think each of the 3 teams that picked a qb in that draft got the one that helps thier team the most.

You must have missed his clinical distribution of the ball as he marched the Titans down the field twice late against the Clots. There were times when he should have run, but hung in the pocket.

The guy can throw.

I'm not even sure where the idea that he cant throw comes from. I know that some people are lazy and adhere to stereotypes, but he's more Randall Cunningham than Mike Vick.

[theAPAOps5]

You must have missed his clinical distribution of the ball as he marched the Titans down the field twice late against the Clots. There were times when he should have run, but hung in the pocket.

The guy can throw.

I'm not even sure where the idea that he cant throw comes from. I know that some people are lazy and adhere to stereotypes, but he's more Randall Cunningham than Mike Vick.

The knock that he can't pass comes from college. When he first took over he was all run. But then he developed a serious arm. Unfortunately for him it hung with him but its not true. He can pass.

[Punisher]

You must have missed his clinical distribution of the ball as he marched the Titans down the field twice late against the Clots. There were times when he should have run, but hung in the pocket.

The guy can throw.

I'm not even sure where the idea that he cant throw comes from. I know that some people are lazy and adhere to stereotypes, but he's more Randall Cunningham than Mike Vick.

Which Randall are u talking about the one with the eagles or the one with the viks?

[400HZ]

That not really true - that Titans are crappy team. It has a lot of young talent on it, that most people don't know. And in reality the Titans really started winning last season when Henry become the featured back, and they started to running the ball on constant basis.

The whole idea it's just Young and 41 scrubs is ESPiN's myth, just like the Chargers are greatest team never to make the playoffs.

There are some good players on that team, but check out the skill positions. Can you name one guy outside of VY? Tennessee has a good run blocking O line and some good players on the D line, but other than that they aren't good. I don't think there is a single QB in the league who would get more out of that team. Cutler and Leinart would be terrible in Tennessee, and even players like Manning and Brady wouldn't be that good. Vince is a perfect fit there. He's never going to put up pretty numbers, but he is going to win a lot of games and put together even more spectacular clutch 4th quarter performances. People look at Young and overanalyze his tangible qualities while overlooking his intangibles ie leadership.

[IrishConrad]

Both QB's are doing one hell of a job for not having played a full season.

Both will continue to get better and show why they are 1st round picks.

I think Cutler will progress much more as a traditional drop back passer and someday lead the Broncos to a Superbowl.

Young made some great throws last week against the colts. I don't think his accuracy is as bad as people say. He certainly doesn't have the quality WR's. TE's Running Backs to throw to.

I really enjoy watching both of these Young qb's. Good things happen when they step on the field. Good luck to them both.

11/19/07 Broncos vs Titans

[Inkana7]

I will enjoy seeing these two, along with Rivers, Palmer and Roethlisberger contend for the AFC Title every year.

But Homer on. Cutler is better. :D

[elsid13]

There are some good players on that team, but check out the skill positions. Can you name one guy outside of VY? Tennessee has a good run blocking O line and some good players on the D line, but other than that they aren't good. I don't think there is a single QB in the league who would get more out of that team. Cutler and Leinart would be terrible in Tennessee, and even players like Manning and Brady wouldn't be that good. Vince is a perfect fit there. He's never going to put up pretty numbers, but he is going to win a lot of games and put together even more spectacular clutch 4th quarter performances. People look at Young and overanalyze his tangible qualities while overlooking his intangibles ie leadership.

off the top of my head-
Ben Troupe great TE that has speed and hands
Chris Brown - knock he been hurt but is talented runner
Fat Boy White- show nice power and high 2nd
Chris Henry - has the talent does he have the desire
Gates- I always thought the kid was good out of Mizzou, and needed the right offence (WCO) to excel in.

And if remember correctly Moulds signed with them and they have kid out FSU that was pretty good.

Plus Chow is very good OC

[Paladin]

I am bored with the "he better than he better than he and better than her" stuff. Nothing changes opinions around here. I call Draw!







PS: Cutler is better.

[Rock Chalk]

One dropped pass away from being 2-0 lifetime against melonhead, too.

RIGHT IN THE ****ING HANDS TOO.

GOd damn you know Young had a mouthful for that asshole.

[Rock Chalk]

Which Randall are u talking about the one with the eagles or the one with the viks?

Probably a mix between both.

He throws a great ball, it can be accurate and can be off target. His mechanics have really improved and his decision making is improving. The fact that he can run is just helping him look better than he is at the moment IMO but is going to be a deadly combination when he gets things worked out with his WRs and the rest of his young offense.

It helps that he has arguably one of the top 5 coaching staffs in the NFL too. Of all the coaches in the league id take Fisher if I cant have Shanny. Yes, over Belicheat, Dungy, and Billick. Why? Dunno, I like his no nonsense, lets play football attitude. Dude rocks. And he is a great coach.

Cutler is easily ahead of Young in passing, but as QBs and field generals, Young is ahead of Cutler right now. Cutler is learning though and so is Young which means that WE as fans are blessed to watch two upcoming QBs kinda like we got to with Elway and Marino. Im not comparing mind, just saying that its going to be fun watching their careers.

[theAPAOps5]

Actually I think Cutler is on the same level if not ahead of VY as a field General too. He is voted a team Captain and has led his team from behind twice now. VY may have the wins but I don't think he is above Cutler as a leader. But thats just my opinion. VY took a step back in MY mind with that stupid taunting penalty. Lost his cool because a guy was pushing on his shoulder pad? Not the reaction I want in my field General.

[Rock Chalk]

Actually I think Cutler is on the same level if not ahead of VY as a field General too. He is voted a team Captain and has led his team from behind twice now. VY may have the wins but I don't think he is above Cutler as a leader. But thats just my opinion. VY took a step back in MY mind with that stupid taunting penalty. Lost his cool because a guy was pushing on his shoulder pad? Not the reaction I want in my field General.

Dont get me wrong, Vince is far from perfect as a field general, much as Cutler is far from perfect as a passing QB. But Vince has a command of his team that Cutler is only just now starting to glimpse. The last two games have helped him, but Vince has had more time, and did something pretty damn fantastic to all the players. He wrote them all a letter, telling them his goals, and how hard he expected to work and expected them to work for one goal, a championship. Mawae, a like 13 or 14 year pro bowl center and savvy player was even impressed.

Like Cutler is growing in his ability to lead the team as well as gaining the confidence and admiration of the veterans, Young is too learning how to make better reads, know where and when to throw the ball and how to improve his overall game.

And BOTH are doing it every week before our eyes. Not like Alex Smith's two year plan, but we are talking about less than a season's worth of games for either of them.

Either way, you gotta love not only our own future, but the future of the AFC in general with some of the young QBs we have in our conference.

[Bronx33]

Hey it is tougher to be a QB of color, just ask Dovan McNabb.


Ya pennington never gets any criticism because hes white. Ha!

[broncogary]

Like the md yaks said, I see no reason to belittle either of their accomplishments or compare them to one another. Its such a heavily weighted team sport that statistical comparisons are inaccurate at best and team comparisons are unfair to individuals.

I don't belittle VY. I like him a lot. I belittle the people that think he wills his defensive players to intercept the ball and return it for touchdowns and that think he wills his punt returner to return punts for touchdowns. ROFL!

[Rock Chalk]

I don't belittle VY. I like him a lot. I belittle the people that think he wills his defensive players to intercept the ball and return it for touchdowns and that think he wills his punt returner to return punts for touchdowns. ROFL!

Dont think Ive seen anyone do that, though I dont doubt some moron somewhere has said it. Give a thousand chimpanzees a thousand computers and all...

I have seen bashers say VY is not responsible for beating the Colts, Baronas is yet those same people give credit to Cutler for getting Elam in a position to make a FG against Buffalo and again against Oakland. Just trying my best to keep it everything in context.

[theAPAOps5]

Dont get me wrong, Vince is far from perfect as a field general, much as Cutler is far from perfect as a passing QB. But Vince has a command of his team that Cutler is only just now starting to glimpse. The last two games have helped him, but Vince has had more time, and did something pretty damn fantastic to all the players. He wrote them all a letter, telling them his goals, and how hard he expected to work and expected them to work for one goal, a championship. Mawae, a like 13 or 14 year pro bowl center and savvy player was even impressed.

Like Cutler is growing in his ability to lead the team as well as gaining the confidence and admiration of the veterans, Young is too learning how to make better reads, know where and when to throw the ball and how to improve his overall game.

And BOTH are doing it every week before our eyes. Not like Alex Smith's two year plan, but we are talking about less than a season's worth of games for either of them.

Either way, you gotta love not only our own future, but the future of the AFC in general with some of the young QBs we have in our conference.

I totally agree. Truthfully I think VY has the edge on leadership just because he has had more time under the gun as the starter. But both are looking good and will continue to improve. Next year will be fun to watch.

[broncogary]

Dont think Ive seen anyone do that...

That's why he was the ROY. He got credit for the wins which would have been losses except for some for exceptional plays by others. He just "willed" them to win.

[Rock Chalk]

That's why he was the ROY. He got credit for the wins which would have been losses except for some for exceptional plays by others. He just "willed" them to win.

I think he won OROY last year because of that OT run in Houston among other numerous highlight reel plays.

Come on, who deserved it more? Maybe Im wrong, but he looked like the best offensive rookie to me.

[broncogary]

Mjd.

[Rock Chalk]

wtf is mjd?

[broncogary]

Mo-reese.

[epicSocialism4tw]

wtf is mjd?

lol

[footstepsfrom#27]

Cutler 2-0
Young 1-1
Colts > Raiders

This thread is just more of the same tired argument that's been repeated in a continuous loop in here. They're both excellent and will be top flight QB's in the NFL.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Dont think Ive seen anyone do that, though I dont doubt some moron somewhere has said it. Give a thousand chimpanzees a thousand computers and all...

I have seen bashers say VY is not responsible for beating the Colts, Baronas is yet those same people give credit to Cutler for getting Elam in a position to make a FG against Buffalo and again against Oakland. Just trying my best to keep it everything in context.

You know, Vince's teammates believe in him. You could see it on the sideline on Sunday.

Those things show up on the field.

It also helps when the guy takes over the game late in the fourth and counters everything that Manning can do.

[skpac1001]

You must have missed his clinical distribution of the ball as he marched the Titans down the field twice late against the Clots. There were times when he should have run, but hung in the pocket.

The guy can throw.

I'm not even sure where the idea that he cant throw comes from. I know that some people are lazy and adhere to stereotypes, but he's more Randall Cunningham than Mike Vick.

Seriously? I can understand how you would disagree, but you seriously don't understand where people who argue that he struggles as a passer at the NFL level are coming from? You don't have to cling to stereotypes to find holes in his game.

[Punisher]

Probably a mix between both.

He throws a great ball, it can be accurate and can be off target. His mechanics have really improved and his decision making is improving. The fact that he can run is just helping him look better than he is at the moment IMO but is going to be a deadly combination when he gets things worked out with his WRs and the rest of his young offense.

It helps that he has arguably one of the top 5 coaching staffs in the NFL too. Of all the coaches in the league id take Fisher if I cant have Shanny. Yes, over Belicheat, Dungy, and Billick. Why? Dunno, I like his no nonsense, lets play football attitude. Dude rocks. And he is a great coach.

Cutler is easily ahead of Young in passing, but as QBs and field generals, Young is ahead of Cutler right now. Cutler is learning though and so is Young which means that WE as fans are blessed to watch two upcoming QBs kinda like we got to with Elway and Marino. Im not comparing mind, just saying that its going to be fun watching their careers.

Ill take Gary Kubiak if shanny goes he knows the playbook and will still bring that bronco offense for years to come.

[Punisher]

Jay Cutler 16/23 222yards 1 td 1 int
Vince Young 14/22 164 yards 2 tds 1 int
Both have 2-1 teams

[theAPAOps5]

Young wins this week as his team won the game. That makes Cutler 2-1 in the head to head! ;D

[Punisher]

ok ok we lost and vince had a bye week but heres Cutlers stats
Cutler 13/21 1td 1int

[Punisher]

I stop this thread around week four but it looks like Cutler is better :)

[Paladin]

Well, I certainly never expected that......

So I was not disappointed......