Jason Taylor? WTF?

[DenverDuo]

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The NFL's best defender on the block?
Posted: Tuesday September 18, 2007 07:30AM ET
The NFL trade deadline is Oct. 16 and that fact is important now only because the Dolphins should use the next four weeks to do the difficult thing and trade Jason Taylor. The Dolphins obviously can't give away Taylor as if he was a discarded suit in an outlet store. So anything less than a first-round pick wouldn't make it worthwhile for Miami. It's a steep price but perhaps the Broncos, Colts, Seahawks, Cowboys, or even the Patriots, could be enticed into giving up such a pick for the 2006 NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

I say no.

[Rock Chalk]

The NFL's best defender isnt on the block. He is playing right corner for us.

[Master___Pain]

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I say no.

If they had not just signed Simeon I'd say hell yes, but I'm not sure that he's what this team needs right now. Dumervil is also proving to be a stud.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Its complete speculation, they dont even hide that

[broncofan2438]

Thank you for putting this up, i was just going to add a thread regarding this. i say lets do it, make room for him

[no-pseudo-fan]

I say NO. We have a Rice to show the new guys the ropes. Moss is going to be a monster, Crowder ????? I say we play with what we have at DE.

[WolfpackGuy]

Hard to believe. But this is the team that gave up two first rounders for Smoky Williams awhile back, drafted Ginn 9th, and turned a spike play into a fumble Sunday.

[Broncos123]

Taylor would look very nice in a bronco uniform. Very little transition, already knows Bates system. I would give up a second rounder but no higher.

[UboBronco]

Only if we trade Rice for him, I would rather help the young guys learn and improve for the many great years to come.

[DomCasual]

The NFL's best defender isnt on the block. He is playing right corner for us.

And that's the truth! :yep:

[Broncos123]

Only if we trade Rice for him, I would rather help the young guys learn and improve for the many great years to come.

Why not have both?? This year we get better while teaching the system from the "so called defensive player from last year". (We know Champ was the defensive player of year). I think it could benefit us this year while teaching the young defensice lineman.

[HEAV]

Taylor trade rumors float every year the Phins start out crappy.

Plus we have Rice.

[DeuceOfClub]

I wouldn't think twice.

What are the chances of drafting with the 20-30 pick anything similar to Taylor talent and ability? (hint: not high)

[epicSocialism4tw]

The addition of Taylor and Rice (sound familiar? ;D ) would give us the best pass defense in the NFL.

Sometimes they dont seem to fit, but when players like that become available, you get them no matter what you have on your team.

[toad]

If he's available you have to figure Bates will be somewhat interested.....

[kamakazi_kal]

give 'em the fifth we get for warren

[NFLBRONCO]

I like Dumervil we don't need Taylor

[elsid13]

The problem isn't a end with this defense line, it with the defense tackles.

[Kaylore]

The problem isn't a end with this defense line, it with the defense tackles.

FINALLY! The voice of reason!

[baja]

Can you imagine if a year ago Taylor was available and half the Bronco faithful responses were 'I pass', well one would have thought they had entered the twilight zone.

I say pass too, we have gotten that good at our previous biggest position of need.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sorry folks, but if Jason Taylor is available and coming off of an outstanding season, I get rid of one of the young ends for a young LB or a young DT and I am on Taylor's doorstep with a contract as soon as I can be. He still has another 3 solid years left. DE's age gracefully.

Jason Taylor and Champ Bailey on the same defense? That wouldnt even be fair.

[elsid13]

Sorry folks, but if Jason Taylor is available and coming off of an outstanding season, I get rid of one of the young ends for a young LB or a young DT and I am on Taylor's doorstep with a contract as soon as I can be. He still has another 3 solid years left. DE's age gracefully.

Jason Taylor and Champ Bailey on the same defense? That wouldnt even be fair.

And how does that stop the run??? You win games in the league by rushing the ball and stopping the run. Right now only Sam Adams has shown that he can stop the run when he on the field without moving 8 men into the box.

[Houshyamama]

And how does that stop the run??? You win games in the league by rushing the ball and stopping the run. Right now only Sam Adams has shown that he can stop the run when he on the field without moving 8 men into the box.

I'm not so sure it is the DTs that are hampering our run defense. I don't know how many times the last few weeks the RB as hit the hole only to have NOBODY there to meet him. I think our LBs just need more experience picking the right spot to meet the RB. Just MHO.

[MechanicalBull]

At the end of the year and his career Jason Taylor will be a Miami Dolphin.

[broncolife]

We didnt get Jarvis Moss just because I wanted him, we got him because he fit the mold of Jason Taylor. Why hope someone becomes just as good as Jason when you can get him. Yes we would have a ton of depth at the De position, but chances are someone will get injured on the line. I like our D ends but none are as good as Jason Taylor or a healthy Rice. Having our rookies learn from both these superstars would be great. The only real negative I can see is less time for Moss and Doom. But they will always have next year to take the starting job if Rice leaves. And if Rice and Taylor were still here next year then they must being doing great so why would we need our youngsters to move up?Doubt it will ever happend, because I think they would want more than a first round pick.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Jason Taylor can play the run.

[broncofan2438]

So is this going to be like the Trotter thing, we all talk about it and then we don't get him

[elsid13]

I'm not so sure it is the DTs that are hampering our run defense. I don't know how many times the last few weeks the RB as hit the hole only to have NOBODY there to meet him. I think our LBs just need more experience picking the right spot to meet the RB. Just MHO.

I would argue that DTs aren't holding the guards, which means LB have to fight thru them to get to right spot.

[Bladerunner]

I'm not sure we could afford him, but I can't think of a football reason why we wouldn't want him. Offensively we might be looking O-line and running back next draft, maybe...probably LB or DT or safety is more likely...so while I agree he doesn't address the immediate need, I don't see how you don't get Jason Taylor on your team if the numbers are workable.

Moot regardless, cause Miami isn't even considering the possiblity. Not now, not ever (or at least while dudes still kicking ass).

[BroncoBen]

Well maybe for 4th or 5th round pick. I still question why the Broncos didn't give up that late round pick for Randy Moss. The guy is playing lights out...

[Broncos123]

So is this going to be like the Trotter thing, we all talk about it and then we don't get him

Or it could be like the Rice rumour. We all talked about it then it happened.

[Broncos123]

Well maybe for 4th or 5th round pick. I still question why the Broncos didn't give up that late round pick for Randy Moss. The guy is playing lights out...

He is a cancer, the year is young.

[MechanicalBull]

Well maybe for 4th or 5th round pick. I still question why the Broncos didn't give up that late round pick for Randy Moss. The guy is playing lights out...

There is a huge difference between 2-14 Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter and the Raiders OL and Tom Brady and the rest of the Patriots.

I don't get why people in the media find it so shocking that Moss is playing great. The guy just went from the basement to the penthouse and has a great shot at winning a superbowl.

[tsiguy96]

we arent picking him up, this is a useless argument.

[Broncos_OTM]

Aggreed we dont need him. If a top flight Linebacker was available or a DT i think we are set on the end.

Although ext year i wouldnt mind going after Briggs and give gold his walking papers

[broncogary]

The NFL's best defender isnt on the block. He is playing right corner for us.

I didn't know you were that high on Dre Bly.

[Rock Chalk]

I didn't know you were that high on Dre Bly.

****, i knew if I said right champ would be on the left. To mee its either top or bottom corner, thats how I see them on the screen.

[broncogary]

****, i knew if I said right champ would be on the left. To mee its either top or bottom corner, thats how I see them on the screen.

So when are we going to have a beer?

[Rock Chalk]

So when are we going to have a beer?

**** you talkin about man, Im having one right now. Thats a good question though, where you livin? How far from Clear Lake?

[broncogary]

Friendswood, I work in Clear Lake.

[Rock Chalk]

bwahaha you live like 20 minutes from me and we have never gone to have a beer.

wtf.

[broncogary]

bwahaha you live like 20 minutes from me and we have never gone to have a beer.

wtf.

Well, you got cut off, you know.

[PatsWin2002]

bwahaha you live like 20 minutes from me and we have never gone to have a beer.

wtf.

That speaks volumes! :wave: :spit:

[Rock Chalk]

I swear to God I didnt know Patsie. I saw that he lived in Houston but figured it was like on the other side by Bobo which Im not driving too.

[broncogary]

I swear to God I didnt know Patsie. I saw that he lived in Houston but figured it was like on the other side by Bobo which Im not driving too.

I don't want either side of Bobo. ;D

[PatsWin2002]

I swear to God I didnt know Patsie. I saw that he lived in Houston but figured it was like on the other side by Bobo which Im not driving too.

Like you, I get my digs in when I can. :sunshine:

That's the first non-cheating-related response you've made to me in a week. Ha!

Only cuz I'm curious.....what is 'Bobo'?

[broncogary]

Only cuz I'm curious.....what is 'Bobo'?

You don't want to know. It's too hideous. :wiggle:

[PatsWin2002]

You don't want to know. It's too hideous. :wiggle:

You mean Bob? GoChiefs Bobsyourinformationminister Bob? I assumed he lived near KC.

[broncogary]

You mean Bob? GoChiefs Bobsyourinformationminister Bob? I assumed he lived near KC.

I think he lives in Spring, which is just north of Houston. Unfortunately, the water table is so high down here, that nobody has basements, so Bob living in his mom's basement is an urban myth.

I think everything else you've heard about him is true, though.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Well, if he isnt in the basement, he must be in the converted carport or the garage.

[broncogary]

Well, if he isnt in the basement, he must be in the converted carport or the garage.

Yes, I think he converted it to a starship. Ha!

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

are you kidding me!?! Last year when this rumor was floating around I said do it. People laughed saying "To old", "To much" and even a couple of "Locker room cancer". What happened, on a losing team, keeped his mouth shut and got a DPOY. Now we all now that Champ should have been the true DPOY. Now we got a chance to pair a couple of DPOY and people are arguing about it. There is no argument. Do it.

[Popps]

Are you guys ****ing out of your ****ing minds?

If we could land Taylor for a first rounder, you do it.... IMMEDIATELY. You don't ask questions, and you throw in a late rounder for good measure. The guy is 32... the best DE in football and probably has a couple good years left.

You're not going to sign him because of Jarvis flippin' Moss? Good god, some of you guys make Boob look football savvy.

You people and your draft picks, man. I shouldn't be surprised, though. I had to twist half of this boards' collective arm to convince people that Javon Walker was worth a SECOND rounder!!! Unreal.

That said, Taylor won't be going anywhere.

[lazarus4444]

I would love to sign JT, would be a great benefit for us.

[Doggcow]

We don't have the cap room for him.

[DeuceOfClub]

We don't have the cap room for him.

We can always cheat. ROFL!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Are you guys ****ing out of your ****ing minds?
If we could land Taylor for a first rounder, you do it.... IMMEDIATELY. You don't ask questions, and you throw in a late rounder for good measure. The guy is 32... the best DE in football and probably has a couple good years left.
You're not going to sign him because of Jarvis flippin' Moss? Good god, some of you guys make Boob look football savvy.
You people and your draft picks, man. I shouldn't be surprised, though. I had to twist half of this boards' collective arm to convince people that Javon Walker was worth a SECOND rounder!!! Unreal.
That said, Taylor won't be going anywhere.

Taylor is exactly the type of game-breaking player that we've never had on our line. Taylor on one side, Rice on the other, Adams in the middle...you can forget passing on this team with a line like that.

[bdv]

We need our two day-one picks more than we "need" Jason Taylor.

IMO we need to spend our '08 1st and 2nd rounds on either two LBs or one LB and one DT. As many here already know, it'll be a deep LB class...

[Willynowei]

Guys we look pretty good so far at DE but by no means do we look great there, and certainly theres still alot of uncertainty. You've got that left side defensive end spot right now where Taylor, being that he can play both run and pass, would be a tremendous upgrade over Engleberger.

That said, I really can't believe Miami would be looking for a first rounder. First off, are you even guaranteed the guys services for more than a couple seasons?

All speculation right now.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Jason Taylor is really freakin good. I mean really freakin good.

A first rounder and the subsequent contracts are a lot to give up, but may very well be worth it here...

Jason Taylor is the type of player that cannot be contained even when double-teamed. He wrecks opposing O-lines.

This type of player gives you a decided advantage at the point of attack, which gives your defense a significant strategic advantage. Our problem on defense is that we do not control the LOS. With Jason Taylor, we would. End of story.

One would have to be insane to want a first round pick instead of the best DE in the game.

[SoCalBronco]

I think he lives in Spring, which is just north of Houston. Unfortunately, the water table is so high down here, that nobody has basements, so Bob living in his mom's basement is an urban myth.



He's living in the shed out back, then.

[SoCalBronco]

Jason Taylor is the type of player that cannot be contained even when double-teamed. He wrecks opposing O-lines.

This type of player gives you a decided advantage at the point of attack, which gives your defense a significant strategic advantage. Our problem on defense is that we do not control the LOS. With Jason Taylor, we would. End of story.

One would have to be insane to want a first round pick instead of the best DE in the game.

Color me insane. :)

Not only "No" to that proposal, but "Hell No".

[Turf Shaman]

I don't think it could happen under the cap, and I doubt Miami lets him go regardless, but if it were possible I don't see how anyone could be so vehemently against it. Adding Jason Taylor without giving up any key piece of the current team would make this defense a terror. Think about what having Taylor, Rice, Bailey and Bly would do for the pass defense. They could shut down the pass most plays by themselves. That would free up the other seven players to focus on the run and it'd give Bates endless options.

As for Moss, Crowder and Dumervil's development, they are young, the organization doesn't lose a thing bringing them along slowly. And think of what they could learn spending some time behind two of the best defensive ends of the past decade.

[long beach bronco]

To win the AFC from Indy and NE, we probably would have to get Taylor. Shanny wants to win this year, I would make the trade for Taylor. We then matchup with anyone, and could win at either Indy or NE in Jan.

[chrisp]

I was gobsmacked that we had the cap room for Rice, I will beconvinced we are cheating again if we suddenly have the cap room for Taylor.

I'm not anti- bringing him in per se, I just think it would be a bit daft given the current situation. We now have a pass rush, and that is primarily what he brings to the table so it is not as pressing a need.

The only thing worth giving something up for right now is something that would help stop the run, perhaps therefore top-notch interior D-line help.

but even then I think that's more a case of continuing to get used to the scheme and having guys like Thomas develop than it is about bringing in new personel.

[Taco John]

Jason Taylor and Champ Bailey on the same defense?

Where do I sign?

[maher_tyler]

Well, if he isnt in the basement, he must be in the converted carport or the garage.

The Attic maybe??

[maher_tyler]

We don't have the cap room for him.

that's what i was thinking..i don't know why anyone wouldn't want him on the team..a first rounder is a bit much imo..i'd give up a 2nd for him though.

[broncsyanks]

in a heartbeat i would do it. i would even throw in some another player for him. just nothing worth bragging about. maybe an alexander

[Atwater His Ass]

Are you guys ****ing out of your ****ing minds?

If we could land Taylor for a first rounder, you do it.... IMMEDIATELY. You don't ask questions, and you throw in a late rounder for good measure. The guy is 32... the best DE in football and probably has a couple good years left.

You're not going to sign him because of Jarvis flippin' Moss? Good god, some of you guys make Boob look football savvy.

You people and your draft picks, man. I shouldn't be surprised, though. I had to twist half of this boards' collective arm to convince people that Javon Walker was worth a SECOND rounder!!! Unreal.

That said, Taylor won't be going anywhere.

I don't know if he's the best DE in football, but top 5 for sure. Everything else, I agree 100%.

^5

[Rock Chalk]

While we are in fantasy land, lets add Stroud and Henderson to the DT positions. Throw in Urlacher at MLB, move DJ back to WLB, grab Bart Scott for SLB and I think we can call ourselves a defense.

[elsid13]

While we are in fantasy land, lets add Stroud and Henderson to the DT positions. Throw in Urlacher at MLB, move DJ back to WLB, grab Bart Scott for SLB and I think we can call ourselves a defense.

Sounds like my Madden team (;D)

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

While we are in fantasy land, lets add Stroud and Henderson to the DT positions. Throw in Urlacher at MLB, move DJ back to WLB, grab Bart Scott for SLB and I think we can call ourselves a defense.

Why does everybody think this is so impossible. What if all they're looking for is a 4th for him. Can anybody argue that won't be a great trade. Not that would happen, because they be crazy to take that deal. But its like buying a used car. You see a car and you think that its out of your price range and the list price out of you price range. They thing is you'll never know until you talk to the owner and he might fold like e cheap suit.

[Rock Chalk]

What you are saying UltimateSolider is essentially saying that there is an owner out there stupid enough to get rid of Jason Taylor for a 4th rounder, or a 3rd even.

Do you think Bowlen would EVER consider taking a 4th for Champ a year after he won DPOY? Yeah no.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

You people and your draft picks, man. I shouldn't be surprised, though. I had to twist half of this boards' collective arm to convince people that Javon Walker was worth a SECOND rounder!!! Unreal.


You also said that with Jake, Denver had no reason to draft a QB in the 1st. Don't see you claiming that one anymore.

IIRC, you thought Denver should give up the 15th pick in the draft for Javon.

[Rock Chalk]

You also said that with Jake, Denver had no reason to draft a QB in the 1st. Don't see you claiming that one anymore.

IIRC, you thought Denver should give up the 15th pick in the draft for Javon.

You dont remember correctly.

That or I missed that part. I do remember Popps saying 2nd rounder, but never the 15th pick. And quite frankly, he nailed it. Javon was a steal for a 2nd.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

What you are saying UltimateSolider is essentially saying that there is an owner out there stupid enough to get rid of Jason Taylor for a 4th rounder, or a 3rd even.

Do you think Bowlen would EVER consider taking a 4th for Champ a year after he won DPOY? Yeah no.

Some guy took a 2nd for Javon who is going to be a Pro-bowler this year barring injury. Right now Brett Favre would give his left nut for Javon much less a 2nd rounder. Jason Talor took (From Bailey) the DPOY last year on a crap team, a team I might add that went 6-10 and he was pretty much the only defensive threat.

[Popps]

You also said that with Jake, Denver had no reason to draft a QB in the 1st. Don't see you claiming that one anymore.

IIRC, you thought Denver should give up the 15th pick in the draft for Javon.

No, you goddamned idiot... I didn't. That was Orange4Life. I liked the Cutler pick and supported him from day one. In fact, I called it a "win-win" from day one. In fact, I sported a friggin' avatar almost immediately after the draft, in support of BOTH QBs.

The only thing I might have said about Cutler is that a 1st round pick didn't mean he was an automatic star. He had to prove it, which he did. I also agreed with sitting Plummer when we did. (A week earlier, in fact.)

My stance has been, and REMAINS that this team needs (needed) to build a defense that can stop someone, or it wouldn't matter who was at QB. You're just too bag-of-rocks stupid to see past the QB position.

So, you want to talk ****.... get your **** straight.

Otherwise, you can run along and put your tongue back up Taco's ass, or whatever it is you do around here.

[Popps]

You dont remember correctly.

That or I missed that part. I do remember Popps saying 2nd rounder, but never the 15th pick. And quite frankly, he nailed it. Javon was a steal for a 2nd.

Actually, Alec... I said that a 15 pick would probably be worth it... and as it turns out, it obviously would have. (Though I preferred using a lower pick, of course. ) My stance on the 2nd rounder for Walker was that it was the biggest no-brainer in the history of the planet. Half the cry-babies around here were wringing their hands about losing the next Jeff Shoate... or whatever.

[wabbit]

I've asked around among media types...even asked a bud in Florida what he thought about this over the last couple of days and the general consensus is that it's bunk..even laughable.

It HAS been talk show fodder this week in South Florida...but only that, and of course, the team hasn't commented in any way, nor would they.

Apparently Taylor has sunk some pretty deep roots in Florida...a restaurant, a clothing line...or store...not sure. He also sponsors or co-sponsors all kinds of south Florida charity works..much like John Lynch, but even more personally involved.

I believe of vet of his tenure has to agree to a trade, and the feeling is he wouldn't agree to anything unless it was to a sure thing team like the Patriots or Colts...and that aint happenin'.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

No, you goddamned idiot... I didn't. That was Orange4Life. I liked the Cutler pick and supported him from day one. In fact, I called it a "win-win" from day one. In fact, I sported a friggin' avatar almost immediately after the draft, in support of BOTH QBs.

The only thing I might have said about Cutler is that a 1st round pick didn't mean he was an automatic star. He had to prove it, which he did. I also agreed with sitting Plummer when we did. (A week earlier, in fact.)

My stance has been, and REMAINS that this team needs (needed) to build a defense that can stop someone, or it wouldn't matter who was at QB. You're just too bag-of-rocks stupid to see past the QB position.

So, you want to talk ****.... get your **** straight.

Otherwise, you can run along and put your tongue back up Taco's ass, or whatever it is you do around here.

Uhhh. . . no Popps. You were all over Plummer's sack until he his benching became inevitable saying that QB was never the problem. It was the DL and nothing else for you, you were too damn stupid to see that there were other issues with the team. Jake's 19 total points in the first half of his 4 playoff games in Denver weren't his fault. Nothing was Jake's fault. You straddled the fence the entire time supporting the Cutler pick, yet claiming that it wasn't necessary because QB wasn't the problem. You didn't have the stones to take a stand one way or the other so you hedged your bets.

[Kaylore]

Uhhh. . . no Popps. You were all over Plummer's sack until he his benching became inevitable saying that QB was never the problem. It was the DL and nothing else for you, you were too damn stupid to see that there were other issues with the team. Jake's 19 total points in the first half of his 4 playoff games in Denver weren't his fault. Nothing was Jake's fault. You straddled the fence the entire time supporting the Cutler pick, yet claiming that it wasn't necessary because QB wasn't the problem. You didn't have the stones to take a stand one way or the other so you hedged your bets.

Actually he mostly blamed Coyer more than the D-line.

[SoCalBronco]

I'll get blasted for this but I wouldnt even give up a 2nd rounder or a 3rd for Taylor.

What is the reasoning? To get a big time pass rush, so no one can throw on us? Guess what, no one is throwing on us already. Yes, yes I know, its only the Bills and the Fade, but if we can hold them to 70 yds passing im pretty sure we can hold really good teams to around 200 yards. So there is no point. Doom is a good situational pass rusher, Moss is coming on, we already made our short term commitment to a bona fide pass rusher in Rice (and make no mistake, JT would also be a short term type of deal as well, he's already 32 and unlike Rice, we would have to absorb his contract, which we dont need). There is simply no point to this. I wouldnt give up even a 3rd round pick (ofcourse we dont even have one). It just doesnt make sense in terms of benefits vs. what you are giving up.

[Kaylore]

I'll get blasted for this but I wouldnt even give up a 2nd rounder or a 3rd for Taylor.

What is the reasoning? To get a big time pass rush, so no one can throw on us? Guess what, no one is throwing on us already. Yes, yes I know, its only the Bills and the Fade, but if we can hold them to 70 yds passing im pretty sure we can hold really good teams to around 200 yards. So there is no point. Doom is a good situational pass rusher, Moss is coming on, we already made our short term commitment to a bona fide pass rusher in Rice (and make no mistake, JT would also be a short term type of deal as well, he's already 32 and unlike Rice, we would have to absorb his contract, which we dont need). There is simply no point to this. I wouldnt give up even a 3rd round pick (ofcourse we dont even have one). It just doesnt make sense in terms of benefits vs. what you are giving up.

No you won't get blasted. :) A lot of people were saying exactly this earlier in the thread. What we need is a Will linebacker who doesn't suck and better play from our defensive tackles.

[Taco John]

Ed Reed wouldn't hurt also!

[Meck77]

What are the chances of drafting with the 20-30 pick anything similar to Taylor talent and ability? (hint: not high)

I'd say not very good. Ashley lelie at the 19th spot comes to mind. Amazing we were even able to trade that girl.

[MechanicalBull]

I'll get blasted for this but I wouldnt even give up a 2nd rounder or a 3rd for Taylor.

What is the reasoning? To get a big time pass rush, so no one can throw on us? Guess what, no one is throwing on us already. Yes, yes I know, its only the Bills and the Fade, but if we can hold them to 70 yds passing im pretty sure we can hold really good teams to around 200 yards. So there is no point. Doom is a good situational pass rusher, Moss is coming on, we already made our short term commitment to a bona fide pass rusher in Rice (and make no mistake, JT would also be a short term type of deal as well, he's already 32 and unlike Rice, we would have to absorb his contract, which we dont need). There is simply no point to this. I wouldnt give up even a 3rd round pick (ofcourse we dont even have one). It just doesnt make sense in terms of benefits vs. what you are giving up.

Well we will see in a week when we go against Manning and the Colts. I hope you are right but realistically I don't see them throwing for only around 200 yds.

[spdirty]

He will be a Patriot in 2 weeks.

[elsid13]

Ed Reed wouldn't hurt also!

Why would want someone that going be benched??? (;D)

[Rohirrim]

Anybody who has been to the Fishhead websites knows that the South Floridians tend to be a little hysterical.

[RaiderH8r]

Bates may be tempted to go for him and Taylor is a talented player, hell he gives me fits whenever we face the Fins. Ultimately though we are in a buyer's situation, if we offer anything at all. As always, if you can get premium talent at a cut rate it makes sense. But my inclination is that we lose a bidding war and if we do land him we probably gave up way too much.

Additionally I agree with most, we have youth that needs a shot. They're coming along and will only improve and I don't want to put off their development and long term potential. I like how they're playing right now.

So, premium grade at a hamburger price, sure. Sniff around but get above a 3rd rounder and cut bait. I know, a 3rd rounder won't fly but you never know until you ask...and that's kind of the point.

[Popps]

Uhhh. . . no Popps. You were all over Plummer's sack until he his benching became inevitable saying that QB was never the problem. It was the DL and nothing else for you, you were too damn stupid to see that there were other issues with the team. Jake's 19 total points in the first half of his 4 playoff games in Denver weren't his fault. Nothing was Jake's fault. You straddled the fence the entire time supporting the Cutler pick, yet claiming that it wasn't necessary because QB wasn't the problem. You didn't have the stones to take a stand one way or the other so you hedged your bets.

Dude, you've been campaigning for Shanahan's firing for the last few years, so what would you know.

I pointed out big-picture problems. You kissed Taco's ass because he hated Plummer and never saw past the QB position, besides trying to get Shanahan fired.

[Turf Shaman]

No you won't get blasted. :) A lot of people were saying exactly this earlier in the thread. What we need is a Will linebacker who doesn't suck and better play from our defensive tackles.

I sort of hate to bother making this argument... it's splitting hairs since there's no chance this would go down. But let's say the Fins called up the Broncos and said they'd ship Taylor for a 1st round pick and it worked under the cap. Would you say "no" because the Broncos really need better play from the defensive tackles and the linebacking corps? I agree they need better play there, but personnel wise it's not going to be addressed until next off season. So they need the players they got to step up their play, and hopefully they will. But one thing that would make their job a lot easier is adding a player who is such a force that opposing coordinators need to develop game plans just to contain him. There's no underestimating the impact a player who draws attention like that would have. And count me in on those who are not convinced the Broncos can contain Peyton Manning just because they put the clamp down on J.P. Losman and Josh McCown.