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Gcver2ver3
09-18-2007, 01:16 PM
Am I wrong for being aggravated by the below article?

It is long but if you read it....Danny Kannell never gave us back his Denver playbook and he shared it with FOXSPORTS and he and the columnist who wrote the article go into more detail than I'd prefer about our scheme's and plays....

I'm prolly overreacting right?


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7236744
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Alex Marvez (http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/archive?authorId=309)
FOXSports.com


Danny Kanell jokes that he can now expect a visit from NFL security.

Teams usually reclaim their playbooks when a player is released. But the former Denver quarterback kept his copy and was willing to share the concepts behind head coach Mike Shanahan's ballyhooed offense with FOXSports.com.
The Broncos (2-0) enter Sunday's game against visiting Jacksonville as the NFL's top-ranked offensive unit. New starting running back Travis Henry has a league-high 267 rushing yards and second-year quarterback Jay Cutler ranks fourth among passing leaders with 573 yards.

No team has had more points or total yardage the past 12 seasons than the Broncos. Such consistency doesn't surprise opposing coaches or Kanell, who played seven years in the NFL with three teams (the New York Giants, Atlanta and Denver) until being released by the Broncos during the 2005 preseason.

"Mike has a system," said Dallas Cowboys head coach Wade Phillips, a defensive specialist who has matched wits against Shanahan for more than two decades.

"That's what I admire about what he does. He can put different people in there and do well with all of them."





The foundation of Shanahan's success is his playbook. Kanell's version contains 20 pages of formations and an eight-day installation plan designed for the start of the preseason. The tome is revamped every off-season with new material and terminology.

Kanell, who is now serving as a Miami Dolphins pre-game radio analyst, said some of Shanahan's plays are almost impossible to stop if the Broncos execute properly.

"Ask the best defensive coordinators and they will tell you the same thing: There's always going to be a good play for the quarterback if he makes good decisions no matter what the defense throws at you," Kanell said. "This was one of my favorite offenses to run because it was so quarterback-friendly."

Kanell provides an example by dissecting one of Denver's staple plays: Solo Right 2 Jet X Under Y.

Run out of a three-receiver, single-back set with a tight end aligned beside the left tackle, the quarterback's intent is a long pass to the slot receiver (Y) zipping down the seam on the formation's right side.

The quarterback takes a five-step drop and looks left toward the X receiver, who is running a five-yard slant-in ("under") route popularized by Indianapolis' Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison. The hope is that the free safety will bite and abandon the "Y."

If that safety stays in the middle of the field and/or the cornerbacks are playing press coverage, Kanell said the quarterback should pass to his X receiver or risk getting his Y receiver "lit up big time." If the X receiver also is unavailable, the other throws available are:


A short curl to the tight end.

A deep route to the "Z" receiver streaking down the right sideline.

A flare to the running back, who will release after helping with protection that must provide the quarterback sufficient time to make his reads.
"There's two basic defenses in the NFL," Kanell said. "You're either going to see a single safety or two safeties in the middle of the field. The way all these reads are keyed is if there's one safety, you're going to go with a certain read. If there's two safeties, you go with another."

Routes must be precisely run to make Shanahan's system work, which is why he demands such attention to detail. Receivers are reminded how far their splits should be from the hashmarks and sideline by markers that Shanahan's grounds crew paints on Denver's practice field. Shanahan also runs his offense from the sideline during practice to simulate game conditions.

"Do the little things right and the big things happen," Shanahan told FOXSports.com during a preseason interview. "That's just the way I've operated. Your job is to make sure when a player goes into the game, he doesn't have to think. When he can just react from what he's seeing and reviewed, he's got a chance to be successful."

Under Shanahan, the Broncos are best known for having a dominating rushing attack. The key is the zone-blocking system installed in the mid-1990s by offensive line guru Alex Gibbs. Linemen work in tandems to seal a particular area rather than try to consistently win individual match-ups.

Kanell said Broncos running backs are taught an "aiming point," which is precisely where to hit a hole. Kanell laughs when recalling position coach Bobby Turner's way of reminding runners to quickly read the defense and not dance in the backfield looking for an opening.

"Either one cut or you're cut — that's all you would hear," Kanell said.

Shanahan has effectively identified what kind of cut-back runners will flourish in his scheme. The Broncos have fielded six different 1,000-yard rushers since 1995 and only two (Clinton Portis and Tatum Bell) were drafted before the third round. The most prolific back — 2007 Hall of Fame semifinalist Terrell Davis — was a sixth-round pick.

Henry is an anomaly, as the Broncos usually sign running backs from the college ranks rather than in free agency. But as evidenced by the five-year, $22.5 million contract he signed this off-season, Henry was too tempting for Shanahan to resist after rushing for 1,211 yards last season in Tennessee.


Travis Henry leads the league in rushing yards. ( Dave Einsel / Getty Images)

Henry is averaging 133.5 yards a game this season, which is actually eight yards lower than Denver's productivity between 1995 and 2006. The Broncos rushed for an NFL-best 27,174 yards during that stretch.

Yet even with such a gaudy total, Denver is just 1-4 in the playoffs since the 1997 and 1998 Broncos won Super Bowl titles. One contributing factor is Shanahan's inability to find a long-term answer at quarterback since John Elway's retirement in 1999.

Brian Griese and Jake Plummer had their moments but ultimately faded. Shanahan became so frustrated with Plummer's rollercoaster play in 2006 that he started Cutler for the season's final five games even with the Broncos standing at 7-4.

Kanell said Shanahan may be contributing to the problem because of his game-plan implementation.

"That was a little frustrating for Jake, myself and the other quarterbacks," said Kanell, who started two games and appeared in three others for Denver in 2003. "You would learn this three-inch thick playbook. If there's 200 plays in here, you would only pull 50 of them. But coach Shanahan was such an innovator that he would come up with new variations of plays.

"A lot of the basics would carry over but the formations are always going to be different. It's like learning a new playbook every week. There is a huge stress on the quarterback mentally."

So far this season, Cutler has shown he can carry the load. After a 2-3 finish last year that cost Denver a playoff berth, the strong-armed Cutler is clearly more comfortable running Shanahan's system. Cutler already has attempted more passes in each of Denver's first two games than in any of his starts in 2006.



But Cutler and Co. have a long road ahead before meeting Shanahan's high expectations.

"We've slipped a little bit in the last couple of years," Shanahan said. "We haven't been in the top five. We'd like to get back to where we're one of the most dominating offensive teams not only in the running game but point production.

"The Super Bowl teams I've been involved with, that's the standard. You have to be dominant."

Thanks to Shanahan, the Broncos have the blueprint to once again reach those heights.

"If you won a game by 10 points, Mike might come in Monday and say, 'We could have won by 21 but you missed a couple guys out there,'" Kanell said. "That's what separates him and what true greatness is all about.

"He talked about that. Do you want to be good or do you want to be great? He has a passion for being great."

Paladin
09-18-2007, 01:22 PM
I would bet that Bellycheck would pay a bundle for it.....

Dagmar
09-18-2007, 01:22 PM
What is up with scrolling across and down to read the thing!

Crushisback
09-18-2007, 01:23 PM
Not that big of deal. Any NFL DC could just watch tape and get the same info as a playbook would give. If they got our gameplan for that week it would be a different story.

HEAV
09-18-2007, 01:23 PM
I'm prolly overreacting right?



Ya, Like he said the Terms have changed since Kennel was here. Plus we have seen QB option added! So Kennel has the old playbook.

He should be fined for not returning the book.

I'm surprised the broncos didn't notice he didn't return the script.

Bladerunner
09-18-2007, 01:25 PM
I don't have a problem with that article. I think that Denver should go fetch that playbook though.

Arkansas Bronco
09-18-2007, 01:29 PM
This was nothing. Every team probably knows a good part of our play book like our coaches know allot of theirs, its all about what you bring to the table that week and how you perform it.

Kaylore
09-18-2007, 01:32 PM
The tome is revamped every off-season with new material and terminology.

Kannell hasn't been on the team for more than two years, so it's not like the material in there is current. Especially when Cutler took over, our entire scheme altered to throw the ball down field more.

Orange_Beard
09-18-2007, 01:36 PM
I have never seen an NFL playbook.
Can't you get all the stuff in this book from watching a tape?

By the way is Kannell's playbook written in Crayola? This guy was worthless.

Jens1893
09-18-2007, 01:38 PM
I remember seeing an old Patriots playbook on the internet in PDF format a while ago.

Arkansas Bronco
09-18-2007, 01:39 PM
Mike probably gave him the chiefs playbook.

BlaK-Argentina
09-18-2007, 01:41 PM
I remember seeing an old Patriots playbook on the internet in PDF format a while ago.

Someone posted Van Pelt's playbook from a couple of years ago in PDF here. I can't remember the site.

WolfpackGuy
09-18-2007, 01:45 PM
Might be of more use for the Texans' opponents. Kanell wouldn't understand anything but the handoffs, passes under 15 yards, and the location of the bench anyways.

TheChamp24
09-18-2007, 01:46 PM
I have never seen an NFL playbook.
Can't you get all the stuff in this book from watching a tape?

By the way is Kannell's playbook written in Crayola? This guy was worthless.

And yet we still almost beat the Pats with him at QB. If not for Deltha and Ashley, we had the game won...

Beantown Bronco
09-18-2007, 01:47 PM
Ya, Like he said the Terms have changed since Kennel was here. Plus we have seen QB option added! So Kennel has the old playbook.

He should be fined for not returning the book.

I'm surprised the broncos didn't notice he didn't return the script.

According to the article, he only had 30 pages from the playbook. Since the whole thing is probably over 500 pages, it would've been tough for them to notice only 30 pages missing.

I really don't know what stops these guys from running over to the local kinkos and copying them whenever they want anyway.....especially if they get wind that they may be getting cut/traded.

shakenbake
09-18-2007, 01:49 PM
"You would learn this three-inch thick playbook. If there's 200 plays in here, you would only pull 50 of them. But coach Shanahan was such an innovator that he would come up with new variations of plays.

"A lot of the basics would carry over but the formations are always going to be different. It's like learning a new playbook every week. There is a huge stress on the quarterback mentally."


I wouldn't worry too much. I wonder what kind of team shanny and manning would make ?

Jason in LA
09-18-2007, 01:50 PM
I'd say Kannell should shut his mouth, but it probably won't hurt the Broncos. Like it was mentioned a few posts ago, any DC can watch film and figure a lot out. But even if they do figure it out it is still hard to stop because of the different options every play has. And Shanny changes the game play every week. So DCs don't really know what is coming.

Jason in LA
09-18-2007, 01:52 PM
One thing that really stands out to me is that the Broncos have scored the most points and gained the most yards over the past 12 years. The Broncos have had QB issues for most of those years and they were still near the top in most of those years. If Cutler reaches his full potential, and maintains that over a long career, it won't be fair to the rest of the league. I love that Shanny finally has a QB that can run his system.

Smiling Assassin27
09-18-2007, 01:55 PM
"You would learn this three-inch thick playbook. If there's 200 plays in here, you would only pull 50 of them. But coach Shanahan was such an innovator that he would come up with new variations of plays.


That's Bill Walsh if I ever saw it.

"Ask the best defensive coordinators and they will tell you the same thing: There's always going to be a good play for the quarterback if he makes good decisions no matter what the defense throws at you," Kanell said. "This was one of my favorite offenses to run because it was so quarterback-friendly."


You'd think the guy threw for 4000 yards instead of looking like the first coming of Jimmy Clausen running this system.

Kaylore
09-18-2007, 01:57 PM
I'd say Kannell should shut his mouth, but it probably won't hurt the Broncos. Like it was mentioned a few posts ago, any DC can watch film and figure a lot out. But even if they do figure it out it is still hard to stop because of the different options every play has. And Shanny changes the game play every week. So DCs don't really know what is coming.
The other thing is this is a Plummer-centric playbook that Kannell has. Remember this is before we drafted Cutler and pre-Heimerdinger(2005 preseason), who likes to stretch the field. The routes and play design was completely different than it is now. Then we had Plummer and BVP as our backups, so it probably feature a lot of shorter throws and dump-offs.

Now you've got a different coordinator with a scheme designed to stretch the field to take advantage of the arm strength both our QB's have and the big play receivers we now employ. It's just a totally different team and so the scheme has been tweaked to play into that.

Meck77
09-18-2007, 01:59 PM
Oh man I wonder if Fred is already on a private jet out to Kannel's house....

It may not be a big deal but Fred doesn't even like little kids crossing his imaginary line at training camp! Go get him!

Gcver2ver3
09-18-2007, 02:07 PM
Many good points made....

I would be surprised however if Mike Shannahan didn't at least prefer that Danny Kannell had NOT gone to a media outlet with part of our actual playbook....even if it was an older version of it....

I'd think Shanny is at least a little irked by Danny's actions....

DomCasual
09-18-2007, 02:58 PM
I don't see much issue with it. Any player that's come through here could have made a copy of it.

At least Kanell spoke flatteringly of Shanahan and the organization.

no-pseudo-fan
09-18-2007, 04:04 PM
Oh Danny Boy!!!



So what. Do you know how long it would take a coordinator to learn the playbook inside and out? Not to mention that the plays he runs can be out of different sets every week. This is why Belacheat can not beat Denver, their playbook change their Plays weekly

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2007, 04:08 PM
Plus we have seen QB option added! So Kennel has the old playbook.




How cool was that?

broncosteven
09-18-2007, 04:52 PM
Isn't Kannel "doing favors" for truckers in rest stop bathrooms for spare change yet?

rovolution
09-18-2007, 05:40 PM
I wouldn't worry too much. I wonder what kind of team shanny and manning would make ?

i believe this is the entire reason Jay Cutler is a Denver Bronco...

Remember, Shanny coached the Pro Bowl that year, and then he just raved about how great it was to work w/ Peyton, yadda yadda yadda.

And then i believe he was motivated to move up and draft Jay.

He wanted his own Peyton

RhymesayersDU
09-18-2007, 05:46 PM
I thought chop blocking and the bootleg were public knowledge?

;)

Raider Bill
09-18-2007, 06:17 PM
I have never seen an NFL playbook.
Can't you get all the stuff in this book from watching a tape?

By the way is Kannell's playbook written in Crayola? This guy was worthless.

One Donkey playbook coming up

http://www.footballplaybooks.info/Playbooks/2004%20Denver%20Broncos%20Offense.pdf

XXXII&III
09-18-2007, 06:21 PM
That's almost everything they teach us in NFL 101 for Women every year.

Odysseus
09-18-2007, 07:19 PM
One Donkey playbook coming up

http://www.footballplaybooks.info/Playbooks/2004%20Denver%20Broncos%20Offense.pdf

I'm still waiting to see a Raiders playbook. That would be great to compare notes just for grins. :wiggle:

Anybody have a link to an old Patriots playbook?

bpc
09-18-2007, 08:59 PM
Damn, if the plays were so QB friendly, how come Kanell sucked so much ass?

Seriously, Danny kANAL may have been the worst QB to ever don the blue and orange.

theAPAOps5
09-18-2007, 09:11 PM
Irv and Joe on 950 the FAN had Selvin Young on today. Right before Selvin came on they were talking about how Calahans offense is too complex for College players and he wouldn't succeed. So to prove how complex the NFL offense is they asked Selvin to tell them a play call. Selvin said no way. He isn't doing ANYTHING to get in the doghouse especially with play calling. It was pretty funny.

dragondawg
09-18-2007, 09:15 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=60881

Bronx33
09-18-2007, 09:16 PM
Damn, if the plays were so QB friendly, how come Kanell sucked so much ass?

Seriously, Danny kANAL may have been the worst QB to ever don the blue and orange.


I fully agree i hated that lumbering idiot with a passion.

theAPAOps5
09-18-2007, 09:16 PM
Well this one has two pages worth of discussion so no need to link to the other thread.

Atlas
09-18-2007, 10:11 PM
This isn't going to hurt the Broncos. THIS IS THE BEST ADVERTISING OUT THERE! When offensive players across the NFL read articles like these they'll want to play for Shanny and the Broncos.

Denver has a very good reputation among players and articles like this help.

On another note Danny Kannell was so bad Denver even lost to the Patriots when he started..... What a loser.

baja
09-18-2007, 11:45 PM
I wouldn't worry too much. I wonder what kind of team shanny and manning would make ?

I thought that too than I realized Cutler is Manning in waiting. It's going to be so much fun to be a bronco fan very soon. God I pray the kid stays healthy.

BigPlayShay
09-18-2007, 11:48 PM
"60 Stretch Farlaaaah"

R8R H8R
09-19-2007, 12:24 AM
This is the quote I liked the best. ROFL!

Kanell laughs when recalling position coach Bobby Turner's way of reminding runners to quickly read the defense and not dance in the backfield looking for an opening.

"Either one cut or you're cut — that's all you would hear," Kanell said.

Mr Chatterboodamn
02-12-2008, 11:28 PM
One Donkey playbook coming up

http://www.footballplaybooks.info/Playbooks/2004%20Denver%20Broncos%20Offense.pdf


Hey this site went down -- did anyone happen to save this playbook (or any others) to their computer? Please PM me if so. Thanks!!!

OABB
02-12-2008, 11:54 PM
this article actually perked me up a bit. It's funny, watching the same team year after year you sort of take things for granted and your vision can get blurry.
We have had arguable success as an offense with the likes of Plummer, greise, kannel, chris miller, frerrotte, mike anderson, droughns, gary, etc, etc. last year with a "rookie" qb, two starting(number 1 and number 2) receivers injured, two starting olineman injured, and our starting running back oft-injured, we were 5th in total offense!

sure...you can talk redzone problems, poor defense, poor record, poor scoring performances and all that, but when you really take a step back, pull off your orange colored glasses(you know the one's that thought we were bound for a deep playoff run this past year) you have to see things as they really are. and looking ahead, you can't help but get excited.

we are on the crest of returning to a dominant offense. This article reminded me that we have the best x's and o's coach in the league on O and with actual talent, we will return to the top.

it is no secret that we haven't been as good since we lost the G.O.A.T at qb and the superstar at rb. injuries, age, and the luck of the draw have held this team down for long enough.

I garauntee next year we will be in the top 5 in all major offensive categories(including scoring)...our defense has a way to go, no doubt, but hasn't that always been the case with Shanny.

next year we return to the bronco way. I am not calling a sb titile, or anything like that, but with the maturity of cutler, and the chemistry of this offense together another year, the denver broncos will return to their classic form.

and yes, I have been drinking.

flame away.

Bronco Rob
02-13-2008, 12:00 AM
“I want this Kannell guy dead! I want his family dead! I want his house burned to the ground! I want to go there in the middle of the night and piss on his ashes!”











ahem......

Gcver2ver3
02-13-2008, 09:05 AM
this article actually perked me up a bit. It's funny, watching the same team year after year you sort of take things for granted and your vision can get blurry.
We have had arguable success as an offense with the likes of Plummer, greise, kannel, chris miller, frerrotte, mike anderson, droughns, gary, etc, etc. last year with a "rookie" qb, two starting(number 1 and number 2) receivers injured, two starting olineman injured, and our starting running back oft-injured, we were 5th in total offense!

sure...you can talk redzone problems, poor defense, poor record, poor scoring performances and all that, but when you really take a step back, pull off your orange colored glasses(you know the one's that thought we were bound for a deep playoff run this past year) you have to see things as they really are. and looking ahead, you can't help but get excited.

we are on the crest of returning to a dominant offense. This article reminded me that we have the best x's and o's coach in the league on O and with actual talent, we will return to the top.

it is no secret that we haven't been as good since we lost the G.O.A.T at qb and the superstar at rb. injuries, age, and the luck of the draw have held this team down for long enough.

I garauntee next year we will be in the top 5 in all major offensive categories(including scoring)...our defense has a way to go, no doubt, but hasn't that always been the case with Shanny.

next year we return to the bronco way. I am not calling a sb titile, or anything like that, but with the maturity of cutler, and the chemistry of this offense together another year, the denver broncos will return to their classic form.

and yes, I have been drinking.

flame away.

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