Cutler must change his pre-delivery

[Stormontheplains]

Guys, I am disappointed in the fact that Shanny has not changed Jay's pre delivery mechanics. The reason he misses high or behind the receiver is the low hand placement. Watch closely and you will see 1 extra step taken to get the ball from below his pecs to the load position. Rule of thumb is when a QB has this movement, the front shoulder opens too quickly and the ball will sail high. If they would work him to death on keeping the ball in the load position his accuracy and timing would greatly increase, as well as you would see the slants and seems go for much more yardage. I guarantee you if he changes, he will be a great qb, much better than right now.

[cmhargrove]

Guys, I am disappointed in the fact that Shanny has not changed Jay's pre delivery mechanics. The reason he misses high or behind the receiver is the low hand placement. Watch closely and you will see 1 extra step taken to get the ball from below his pecs to the load position. Rule of thumb is when a QB has this movement, the front shoulder opens too quickly and the ball will sail high. If they would work him to death on keeping the ball in the load position his accuracy and timing would greatly increase, as well as you would see the slants and seems go for much more yardage. I guarantee you if he changes, he will be a great qb, much better than right now.

You may be right, but #4 in the league ain't too shabby. And, that's with receivers that missed a lot of training camp. I don't want to overanalyze this one, i'm more in the "give him some time" camp. Cutler looks special, and has already improved his footwork from last year, I have little doubt he will want to address other problems as well.

[BroncoFiend]

Guys, I am disappointed in the fact that Shanny has not changed Jay's pre delivery mechanics. The reason he misses high or behind the receiver is the low hand placement. Watch closely and you will see 1 extra step taken to get the ball from below his pecs to the load position. Rule of thumb is when a QB has this movement, the front shoulder opens too quickly and the ball will sail high. If they would work him to death on keeping the ball in the load position his accuracy and timing would greatly increase, as well as you would see the slants and seems go for much more yardage. I guarantee you if he changes, he will be a great qb, much better than right now.

Hmmm, I'd love to here Shanny take on that. Too bad reporters are too busy asking about last second time outs and the Patriots controversy to get into anythin really juicy like this.

To me, Cutler has seemed pretty accurate (some slightly off due to timing issues, but that will come in time). I haven't really noticed to many sailing on him either, but I'm curious of how you see this progressing as the year moves along.

[Broncochica]

If you watch him during the game, He hardly ever looks loff his #1 reciever. If this keeps up, he is going to get picked offf alot more.

[BroncoFiend]

If you watch him during the game, He hardly ever looks loff his #1 reciever. If this keeps up, he is going to get picked offf alot more.

I don't agree with you.

Although I have seen him hesitate an extra fraction on a couple of throws which helps the defenders get in better position.

Overall though I think he goes through his progressions very well.

[snowspot66]

They no doubt prioritized things, you can only hammer away at so much in a given amount of time.

[HEAV]

He still throws off the back foot at times. But the kid is still learning the role.

Plus let's face it this isn't Super Bowl or bust team. This is a playoff year team that needs to grow and learn.

But ya Jay-C has a few hang ups.

[BroncoFiend]

He still throws off the back foot at times. But the kid is still learning the role.

Plus let's face it this isn't Super Bowl or bust team. This is a playoff year team that needs to grow and learn.

But ya Jay-C has a few hang ups.

Favre has thrown off his back foot his entire career. I really don't expect Cutler to change that part of his game.

Hopefully when he has the space he will always step into his throws, but he has the arm strength to compesate for throwing off his back foot so why not do it when a guy is in his face?

[dbfan4life]

I think he needs to change the way he wears his helmet. I mean, he wears it too far forward it looks like he can barely see though the facemask. How's he supposed to complete a pass when he wears his helmet like a cholo wears a bandana.

[Vegas_Bronco]

If he steps into his throws, you'll see nothing but body parts on the other end. He really throws hard. I just want to see the mental lapses disappear... taking a sack for safety, throwing right at the defender after a low snap, etc.

All this happening and we are still winning - I'll take it!

[Willynowei]

Guys, I am disappointed in the fact that Shanny has not changed Jay's pre delivery mechanics. The reason he misses high or behind the receiver is the low hand placement. Watch closely and you will see 1 extra step taken to get the ball from below his pecs to the load position. Rule of thumb is when a QB has this movement, the front shoulder opens too quickly and the ball will sail high. If they would work him to death on keeping the ball in the load position his accuracy and timing would greatly increase, as well as you would see the slants and seems go for much more yardage. I guarantee you if he changes, he will be a great qb, much better than right now.

Good call.

But, doesn't that just hurt release time? assuming he brings the ball up first before continuing with the rest of the throwing motion.

In any case, he does sort of cock the ball up before chucking it long.

[bpc]

I think they are focusing on the playbook more than mechanics at this time. Jay is in fight or flight mode a little bit sometimes in the game and I don't disagree with your assessment of his throwing motion. I think once he gets the playbook to slow down for him, they will go back in and clean up the overall product. Honestly though, I don't have any qualms about how he is doing throwing wise. He needs to get a half second quicker on his reads. I think that will greatly improve his ball placement. That comes with experience though.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

He still throws off the back foot at times. But the kid is still learning the role.

Plus let's face it this isn't Super Bowl or bust team. This is a playoff year team that needs to grow and learn.

But ya Jay-C has a few hang ups.

He does throw off his back foot, but he has enough arm strength to make up for it. Its not like when Rex Grossman does it and the ball sails

[theAPAOps5]

He has a lot to learn I am sure we will see a lot of improvement towards the end of the year but especially after next offseason. He looks off the recievers a lot better than he did last year. Its not going to be pretty and we as fans have to be patient. Unfortunately some fans *cough* footsteps *cough* don't like ugly wins it has to be a blow out.

[Kaylore]

He completed 69% of his passes and converted half of our third downs. I wouldn't worry too much about his mechanics. He has 15 years to get his mechanics worked out and as it sits it looks like it isn't hurting him that bad. We're not in dire straits here.

[oubronco]

WOW ! the last time i looked he was playing in the NFL making millions can any of you ney sayers say the same thing ?

give the guy a break noones perfect !!

[Rock Chalk]

I don't agree with you.

Although I have seen him hesitate an extra fraction on a couple of throws which helps the defenders get in better position.

Overall though I think he goes through his progressions very well.

Against Buffalo he did, against Oakland he stared down almost every time he dropped back to pass. Against Buffalo he was superb at drawing the safeties off and looking off receivers. Really, it was like a 5 or 6 year vet against Buffalo.

[no-pseudo-fan]

I agree will Kaylore. He has some kinks to work out, but he has go nerve in the pocket, a rocket arm, and ice water in his veins.

[Rock Chalk]

He does throw off his back foot, but he has enough arm strength to make up for it. Its not like when Rex Grossman does it and the ball sails

Most times, yes. But 2 of his 3 picks this year came from him throwing off his backfoot.

Considering that he is young, its probably best to get that **** trained otu of him now. I dont care how good your arm is, throwing off your back foot is NEVER a good idea.

When he gets his timing down with his receivers that he missed out on in training camp due to injuries, I think the behind and high passes will improve. Marshall and Walker both have made some outstanding tough catches because of the incorrect timing between them.

[theAPAOps5]

WOW ! the last time i looked he was playing in the NFL making millions can any of you ney sayers say the same thing ?

give the guy a break noones perfect !!

Obviously the point of a fan chat board is over your head. There are a lot knowledgable fans on here.

[Rock Chalk]

i dnt see why people get so mad about criticism of our team. WTF. This is a message board. We won twice but we have room for improvement everywhere. This is as good a place as any to discuss where and what needs to be improved as fans are prone to do.

[oubronco]

Obviously the point of a fan chat board is over your head. There are a lot knowledgable fans on here.

i'm sure you could nitpick every QB in the HOF too but the fact is this only his seventh game as a pro lighten up

[Kaylore]

Most times, yes. But 2 of his 3 picks this year came from him throwing off his backfoot.

Considering that he is young, its probably best to get that **** trained otu of him now. I dont care how good your arm is, throwing off your back foot is NEVER a good idea.

When he gets his timing down with his receivers that he missed out on in training camp due to injuries, I think the behind and high passes will improve. Marshall and Walker both have made some outstanding tough catches because of the incorrect timing between them.

He's thrown off his back foot because of he had pressure in his face. Sometimes you have to throw off your back foot in the NFL. I will say he needs to get better of stepping up into the rush and trusting the pocket. Savvy QB's wait that extra second and take the hit but throw off the plant foot. I would say since he has the arm strength, he can afford not to more than others, but trusting the pocket will help him out in the long run.

[azbroncfan]

He's thrown off his back foot because of he had pressure in his face. Sometimes you have to throw off your back foot in the NFL. I will say he needs to get better of stepping up into the rush and trusting the pocket. Savvy QB's wait that extra second and take the hit but throw off the plant foot. I would say since he has the arm strength, he can afford not to more than others, but trusting the pocket will help him out in the long run.

I agree. I hate the term he's throwing off his back foot and that you shouldn't do it. Should be if you can't throw off your back foot successfully you can't make in in the NFL.

[Rock Chalk]

He's thrown off his back foot because of he had pressure in his face. Sometimes you have to throw off your back foot in the NFL. I will say he needs to get better of stepping up into the rush and trusting the pocket. Savvy QB's wait that extra second and take the hit but throw off the plant foot. I would say since he has the arm strength, he can afford not to more than others, but trusting the pocket will help him out in the long run.

Or, you take a sack like a veteran instead of throwing it up for grabs Kaylore. Sack is better than an interception everytime except on 4th down.

I agree he can afford to more often than less gifted QBs, doesnt make it a good idea though. Just means he will get away with it more. The risk factor of such throws is still too high to be risking it.

Again, his youth is the root of most of his problems and he will get it out of him, but for this year I think we will see more of that than any of us want to see.

[Rock Chalk]

I agree. I hate the term he's throwing off his back foot and that you shouldn't do it. Should be if you can't throw off your back foot successfully you can't make in in the NFL.

Dude, thats retarded. Like maybe 5 or 6 QBs in history can successfully throw off their backfoot and not make a dumb decision more often than not. All of those QBs are elite.

So by your logic, no other QB should "make it" in the NFL.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Or, you take a sack like a veteran instead of throwing it up for grabs Kaylore. Sack is better than an interception everytime except on 4th down.

I agree he can afford to more often than less gifted QBs, doesnt make it a good idea though. Just means he will get away with it more. The risk factor of such throws is still too high to be risking it.

Again, his youth is the root of most of his problems and he will get it out of him, but for this year I think we will see more of that than any of us want to see.

Only one of his picks could be attributed to that. If he threw off his back foot on morrison's int (he might have) the pick was a result of a bad read, not a poor throw

[jonny1]

It's hard to step up in the pocket when one of your offensive guards is being pushed into your face . . .

[telluride]

It's his SEVENTH game. Ease the #@!$ up.

[azbroncfan]

Dude, thats retarded. Like maybe 5 or 6 QBs in history can successfully throw off their backfoot and not make a dumb decision more often than not. All of those QBs are elite.

So by your logic, no other QB should "make it" in the NFL.

No it's not because QB's have to be able to successfully throw off the back foot when getting hit in the face or they won't be in the league a long time.

[alkemical]

it's my understanding it takes a qb 3-5 years to being to mature as an actual QB. This kid (culter) has 7 starts. I expect bad stuff to happen.

I like this kid's mental toughness though.

[Stormontheplains]

He completed 69% of his passes and converted half of our third downs. I wouldn't worry too much about his mechanics. He has 15 years to get his mechanics worked out and as it sits it looks like it isn't hurting him that bad. We're not in dire straits here.

Kaylore, first off, I love Cutler. But let's be honest, most of his receptions were the result of great catches by the reciever. He is not off by much, but the difference being making the catch and going down, or gaining another 15 yards yac. All I am saying, which is true for a 3rd grade qb or an NFL qb, the ball has to be in the load position to be successfull. Done right his accuracy will go up tenfold. Anyone remember the Elway Tap, He had the ball loaded but would tap before any throw excluding the fade.

[Rigs11]

he has a cannon and can squeeze it into tight places, he needs to work on his lobbing however.That sounded really dirty

[The MVPlaya]

You're a fool if you don't think anyone on the Broncos coaching staff has already recognized this.

[theAPAOps5]

Jay Cutler cut me off on the way to Dove Valley as I was leaving the airport, true story. Couple that with his telling a kid to wait in line at Fanfare and now THIS!!!! We are doomed for another QB failure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its his 7th game as long as he improves that is all that matters to me.

[FantomForce]

Good call.

But, doesn't that just hurt release time? assuming he brings the ball up first before continuing with the rest of the throwing motion.

In any case, he does sort of cock the ball up before chucking it long.

My question to you is what happened to that guys leg in your sig? Is it snapped if half or just severed off? do you have a pic for that?

[TallyBronco]

If Cutler would use a bow knot on his right cleat, he would have a wider throwing motion to the blind side. Shanahan is planning on using a helmet with a blaster shield to improve his blind-side throwing accuracy. If he would just let go and let the force guide the ball, and himself guiding the force, he would be a good quarterback.

[snowtrx]

Cutler has a lot of work to do and thats the way it should be! The NFL is not a place where QBs can come in and be perfect. Its a place where QBs get destroyed and be made to look like idiots at times. During this time, a select few will show the potential they can dominate the league with their abilities and mental toughness. It is now impossible, not to see that Cutler is one of these select few. Two 4th qrt come backs in his first 7 games is sick, but even that doesnt accuratly show his abilitly when the game is on the line. You have to account for the 90+ yrd drive vs Cincy last year and two late 4th qrt game tying touchdown drives against Seattle and San Fran. If the D had pitched in there, we could have four 4th qrt comebacks in his first 7 games. :strong: In four, last chance 4th qrt deficit opportunities, he has made only one "and thats the ball game" type of mistake. Even then, he overcame that mistake (with the help of Selvin Young), by climbing out of the 3rd & 23 hole he created and completed the job. :sunshine:

I can't wait to see what kind of QB he is the 2nd half of next year. No matter where he ends up, good or bad, Broncos fans are going to get their moneys worth along the way!

[worm]

One of the most amazing things to me about Cutler at this point in his career is his ability to quickly move on from his mistakes.

He has thrown eight INTs over his short career.

On the very next drive after his eight interceptions he has driven the Broncos to four touchdowns and two field goals. Only one of his subsequent drives ended with a Bronco punt. The remaining drive ended after 40 yards when Rod Smith fumbled. Cutler made it up by driving to a field goal on the following drive.

IMO Pretty impressive stuff. You obviously have to expect mistakes from a young player. Cutler is the best I have ever seen at answering his mistakes as quickly as he does.

[Popps]

People also need to remember that big armed guys take more chances, a la Elway.

Though, I will say... Cutler's INTs right now look more like a kid who doesn't know what he's seeing than trying to force the ball. He's thrown a couple right to defenders.

It'll get better. Just work on the mechanics, Jay!!

[dbfan21]

It's his SEVENTH game. Ease the #@!$ up.

Agreed. He will improve with time. I did notice his throws were behind the receivers most of the day...and the same thing happened in Buffalo.

I think Jay will get better and better as the season progresses. :thumbs:

[worm]

I like this kid's mental toughness though.

Exactly Josh. Given the choice between his mental toughness or his physical skills...I would take his mental toughness.

Its like hitting the lottery - because we get both.

[ZONA]

I was gonna say Farvre did the same thing but somebody beat me to it. I guess that's what makes things fun. Not everybody looks the same. If they did, we might as well have robots suit up and play. I remember Montana standing flat footed on many great throws, same with Marino. I think getting the job done is more important then how you look trying to do it. There are probably quite a few QB's in the league who step into a lot of their throws, such as Losman, but they hardly look like good QB's to me. After Jay has been through a full 16 games, let's look back on this and see how he does. I'm betting he has excellent numbers.

Besides, I can't remember who said it but 90% of being a good QB is between the ears. Not in your feet. I think between the feet, the arm, and all that other stuff is 10% so the feet, what, is about 1.5% you think? I'm not gonna get all hung up on Jays feet. Geez.

[-Slap-]

Kaylore, first off, I love Cutler. But let's be honest, most of his receptions were the result of great catches by the reciever. He is not off by much, but the difference being making the catch and going down, or gaining another 15 yards yac. All I am saying, which is true for a 3rd grade qb or an NFL qb, the ball has to be in the load position to be successfull. Done right his accuracy will go up tenfold. Anyone remember the Elway Tap, He had the ball loaded but would tap before any throw excluding the fade.

Interesting thread, Storm. Do you remember the Chargers talking about the Elway Tap early in his career? Noted Elway killer Gil Byrd had picked him a couple times and the rest of their secondary got him a couple times, too. After the game, they claimed John was tipping his passes by tapping the football. The Broncos laughed it off, of course.

[Kaylore]

Kaylore, first off, I love Cutler. But let's be honest, most of his receptions were the result of great catches by the reciever. He is not off by much, but the difference being making the catch and going down, or gaining another 15 yards yac.
He's already completing some passes into some tight windows. I don't agree that most of his receptions were the result of great catches, either. I think some of his throws have been in some very tight places and were exactly where he intented them to be.
All I am saying, which is true for a 3rd grade qb or an NFL qb, the ball has to be in the load position to be successfull.
No, it really doesn't. Again, look at his completions.

Done right his accuracy will go up tenfold.
It's already pretty good. He can definitely improve but I think it's much better than you think it is. I have doubts the adjustments will make a huge change. Certainly not "Tenfold" anyway.

Anyone remember the Elway Tap, He had the ball loaded but would tap before any throw excluding the fade.
Yes. He played his whole career that way and is now in the HOF. Why do you ask?

[~Crash~]

i dnt see why people get so mad about criticism of our team. WTF. This is a message board. We won twice but we have room for improvement everywhere. This is as good a place as any to discuss where and what needs to be improved as fans are prone to do.

How true I am here to learn and sometimes to just talk football but at times people realy are not here for that but to take out some of the anger on other people and not talk football

[~Crash~]

It's hard to step up in the pocket when one of your offensive guards is being pushed into your face . . .

To be fair Jonny the ball should of been thew out of bounds after Cutler seen that the play was not there .Instead he pulled the ball down big mistake the reason is two fold .

1) safety because of sack


2) Safteys can also happen because of holding calls with the QB in the endzone .A QB in the endzone should only be doing timing patterns . three steps let go of the ball . he held the ball then pulled down the ball

[~Crash~]

Or, you take a sack like a veteran instead of throwing it up for grabs Kaylore. Sack is better than an interception everytime except on 4th down.

I agree he can afford to more often than less gifted QBs, doesnt make it a good idea though. Just means he will get away with it more. The risk factor of such throws is still too high to be risking it.

Again, his youth is the root of most of his problems and he will get it out of him, but for this year I think we will see more of that than any of us want to see.

Why take a sack? Out throw everyone when in doubt or find the out let like a RB or a TE ....

[~Crash~]

throwing off his back foot is only a small problem . the big problem is the red zone !!!!! and I dont blame the QB. that is the calls in the red zone.

A young QB can always use his feet to make other teams leery of him and have to make Safteys worrie of him taking off . this will open up Cutlers best throws he likes to go deep and other teams have started to defend this . we need to desing plays were he is not going to throw the ball deep but make it look like he is he will get big yardage on this.

[~Crash~]

One of the most amazing things to me about Cutler at this point in his career is his ability to quickly move on from his mistakes.

He has thrown eight INTs over his short career.

On the very next drive after his eight interceptions he has driven the Broncos to four touchdowns and two field goals. Only one of his subsequent drives ended with a Bronco punt. The remaining drive ended after 40 yards when Rod Smith fumbled. Cutler made it up by driving to a field goal on the following drive.

IMO Pretty impressive stuff. You obviously have to expect mistakes from a young player. Cutler is the best I have ever seen at answering his mistakes as quickly as he does.

Very nice props:thumbs:

[~Crash~]

People also need to remember that big armed guys take more chances, a la Elway.

Though, I will say... Cutler's INTs right now look more like a kid who doesn't know what he's seeing than trying to force the ball. He's thrown a couple right to defenders.

It'll get better. Just work on the mechanics, Jay!!

he had a tip ball this game lepsis guy got his hands up .

[BroncoBuff]

i dnt see why people get so mad about criticism of our team. WTF. This is a message board. We won twice but we have room for improvement everywhere.
It's the George W. Bush effect ... if you criticize the team, you're not a fan.

[TotallyScrewed]

It's the George W. Bush effect ... if you criticize the team, you're not a fan.

Naw, it's that people love to complain errr....worry. And it's hard to find fault with Cutler so you have to work at it. Now me...I like to complain errr...worry about the o-line.


Here's my take on Cutler.

1) He gunslinger. He has a lot of faith in his arm. That makes him a playmaker and sometimes the defense will win. They did against John throughout his career (226 int's).

2) He has a very strong arm. That seems to make up for mechanics. And his release time is quite good. Again the two making up for his "locking on" issue.

3) The back foot thing is overrated here. His throws would liekly be better if he were stepping into them but right now he might be too late if he made sure to step into every throw. Does he get zip on the ball?

4) The kid's a kid and looks very promising. Just like Worm and others have said...Cutler comes back at you right away. He's ready to try again on the next play. It is extremely important to keep one's head. Jay's has got that.

5) Now's my dig at the o-line...often there isn't a pocket to step up into. Lepsis is barely slowing people and the left guard is getting schooled and Nalen, inexplicably, can't snap the ball, and Holland is either jumping or holding and Pears...oops. My bad, I need to lighten up. That's a pretty impressive offense for all of it's problems.