AFC West Looking Pretty Poor

[NaptownChief]

I'm not shocked but certainly a little surprised as I thought the Donks would be better and I didn't think Norv would be able to do this much damage with his death touch so quickly.


Denver: (2-0) which is all that matters but a thin hair away from being 0-2 against two really bad teams. Should be in good shape squeaking out 2 wins while not playing well. Once they get it going and I think they will these 2 W's will help make for a good season. However if they don't start improving soon things could get ugly because they don't get to play Buffalo and Oakland all 16 weeks. But the good news is they do get to play the Quiefs twice.

Sandy Eggo: (1-1) LT and their defensive talent alone will be enough to beat all the bad teams on their schedule but Norv has proven once again why he can't keep a head coaching job. They clearly can't compete with the better teams and AJ Smith is getting exactly what he deserves for putting his lousy ego and poor personality in front of what was best for the team.

Chokeland: (0-2) Still really bad but appear to be improved on both sides of the ball from last year. They will win some games because of their defense. 5-11 to 6-10 still in their near future.

Quiefs: (0-2) Bad enough to make the Raiders look good. 0-2 and well on their way to 4-12 or worse. When you trade a 4th round draft choice for a bad coach that was days away from getting fired you deserve to be the first team in NFL history to go 0-16. Defense is middle of the pack and their offense is the worst in the NFL by a good margin. The only thing worse than the Quiefs offense is probably their coaching.

It is much tougher to go 0-16 than it is to go 16-0 so it won't be an easy feat but I think we can all come together as AFC West fans and support Squirm Edwards taking on the the monumental task of turning a 10-6 team into a record setting 0-16 in less than 24 months.

[Garcia Bronco]

I 've heard a bunch of chief fans give this opinion. But it's really only been Chief fans. I wonder why? :)

[BlaK-Argentina]

Fair enough.
Do you think Denver will win the division or will San Diego repeat in spite of Norv?

[Smiling Assassin27]

Don't fret, Zach, the chiefs will go undefeated once Jared Allen comes back. ROFL!

[Rohirrim]

AFC West looking pretty poor? Maybe from your perspective. Ha!

[400HZ]

I have to agree. The AFCW has been pathetic thus far. You could make a very real argument that it's been the worst division in the AFC thus far.

[NaptownChief]

AFC West looking pretty poor? Maybe from your perspective. Ha!



Well actually not really....For the Colts to repeat they could have to go through the AFC West winner and so far that task looks like it will be a lot easier than originally thought so that is making it look pretty good to me.

[NaptownChief]

Fair enough.
Do you think Denver will win the division or will San Diego repeat in spite of Norv?


At this point I would still give a slight edge to Sandy Eggo but very, very slight.

[boltaneer]

The AFC South (minus Jacksonville) looks like the most competitive division in the AFC so far. It's a strange football world...

[Rohirrim]

I think the teams in the AFCW are improving every week. Except for the Chefs who seem to be stuck in neutral.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The only thing dragging down the AFC West is the Chiefs and Raiders. We have an excellent division if you get rid of those two losers.

[Rashomon]

Quiefs: (0-2) Defense is middle of the pack and their offense is the worst in the NFL by a good margin. The only thing worse than the Quiefs offense is probably their coaching.


I think you are being a bit melodramatic. Atlanta's offense has been just as bad as KC's. :rofl:

[NaptownChief]

I think you are being a bit melodramatic. Atlanta's offense has been just as bad as KC's. :rofl:



yeah but they have played two defenses that will probably be amoung the NFL's best when all said in done in Jax and Minny. Chiefs have only played one good D in the Bears....So edge in crappiness goes to the Chiefs.

[Mediator12]

The AFCW has had a lot of turnover and it has shown early. DEN has overhauled players and coaches and been fortunate to win with major growing pains. IMHO, this bodes well for them as they have been much more dynamic than the last three years starts, made the same stupid mistakes, and yet found ways to win and be 2-0.

SD has definitely regressed without their coordiantors. Both sides of the ball have been shaky and SD never made solid adjustments to NE's passing game last night. What has surprised me is the play of their OL, who I thought was head and shoulders the best last year. They have been beaten badly by good DL's.

OAK's Zone Blocking scheme was really good against DEN and they were able to exploit a defense that should be very familiar with defending that. I think their running gmae is going to allow them to be much more competitive this year.

KC, well, they need to pray ;D Their defense has the abilty to keep them in the game, but unless Huard and their WR's improve exponentially, this team is done. Their ST's are also pretty poor and in the past they have been a huge part of KC's success. I look forward to seeing if they can at least play better at Arrowhead. If not, it's going to be ugly.

[Bronco Yoda]

Look at the AFC West QB's. They are all newbies. It will take time. Denvers the only team with a cohesive coaching staff.

[azbroncfan]

Oakland has improved slightly and KC has dropped off a lot more and pass Oakland as the worst team in the division.

[Broncoman13]

Med hit the nail on the head for the Broncos. We're winning ugly right now which is a good sign as we've not really come together yet. I'll say again, if we can go 5-3 in the first half of the season I'll be happy. This team is going to be a lot better in the 2nd half of the season... A LOT BETTER!

[TheDave]

Is anyone really shocked by this?

Denver: We new there were going to be growing pains. 14 of 22 starters are either new to the team or playing new positions. Anyone who thought we were going to come out firing on all cylinders needs to take the orange colored glasses off.

San Diego: We new this was coming. You can not destroy an entire coaching staff from a 14-2 team and not expect this. There is still a chance they could pull their heads out, but there is just as much of a chance they could completely implode.

Oakland: Defense is still good, and their offensive Coordinator was actually involved in football last year. That alone has to make you better.

KC: Anyone who watched hard knocks saw this coming. Idiot for a coach, BAD organization, No QB, Sub-par talent... This team could be at the bottom for the foreseeable future.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think that its funny that the fans of the underachievers are efforting to lobby for company.

[sixtimeseight]

I'm not shocked but certainly a little surprised as I thought the Donks would be better

They are 2-0 and have the #1 offense in the league. What more do you want from them exactly?

[Broncoman13]

As for Oakland, they're better than people would like to admit. Kifflin is actually doing well for thier offense and their defense if anything has dropped off a tad from last year. All in all though, this is a much improved Faider team. Good enough to go 6-10 or 7-9... possibly even 8-8.

Oakland:
They have a good pair of WR's.
Good RB who can also catch the ball quite well
Poor QB's
Average Oline
Great DLine
Atheltic LBs
Excellent Secondary
Good Coaching

KC
Poor QB's
Excellent RB
Average OL
Above Average DL
Average LBs
Average Secondary
Poor WR's
Poor Coaching

SD
Very Good OL
Excellent DL
Excellent LBs
Average Secondary
Sorry RB :D
Good QB
Slightly Above Average WR's
Average Coaching
Good STs
Total=31

Den
Very Good OL
Good DL
Good LB
Excellent WRs
Excellent Secondary
Good possibly Very Good RB's
Good QB
Very Good Coaching
Poor STs
Total=31

So, if Excellent is 5 points, Very Good is 4, Good is 3, average is 2 and Poor is 1 it goes to show that the Chargers and Broncos are very close to each other with the Faid a not so distant 3rd.

The Chargers, Broncos, and Faiders will all improve over the next several weeks. I don't see the same happening for the Chokes. Not to mention they're old in a lot of important positions. The Chargers and Broncos have their QB's of the future. The Faiders have reason to believe they have their QB of the future, though that remains an unknown.

The way I see it. The Broncos will be HAPPY to finish the next 4 weeks with a record of 4-2. That means winning 2 of the next 4... which isn't going to be easy at all! Jax and Pittsburg are the likely wins. Pittsburg will try to beat us deep but that won't work. I think we can take the fight to them and keep it there. Jax is looking sloppy, especially after giving up so many rushing yards!

I think we match up pretty well with Indy as well, but I'm not going all crazy and predicting a win against them or SD... not yet anyhow. We have to improve greatly first. The 2nd time around I think we'll be a much improved team and we'll take it to the Chargers!

[theAPAOps5]

I wouldn't say the AFCW is the worst. We are the ugliest right now and yeah its easy to say its the Chiefs saying this but its Naptown and its not that far off. Hopefully we get better and everyone else gets worse.

[Atwater His Ass]

Med hit the nail on the head for the Broncos. We're winning ugly right now which is a good sign as we've not really come together yet. I'll say again, if we can go 5-3 in the first half of the season I'll be happy. This team is going to be a lot better in the 2nd half of the season... A LOT BETTER!

Have you seen the 2nd half of our schedule? It's murder. We need a better than 5-3 performance up front to make the playoffs imo.

But in this case, we just cannot afford to impolde in the 2nd half of the season like we normally do because we won't have the home games to pull us out.

I'll hold judgement until we've played 16 games though. This team is always a fast starter and then fades away at the end of the season. I would like to see us avoid that fade and finish strong. That will be a good sign.

[Broncoman13]

Have you seen the 2nd half of our schedule? It's murder. We need a better than 5-3 performance up front to make the playoffs imo.

But in this case, we just cannot afford to impolde in the 2nd half of the season like we normally do because we won't have the home games to pull us out.

I'll hold judgement until we've played 16 games though. This team is always a fast starter and then fades away at the end of the season. I would like to see us avoid that fade and finish strong. That will be a good sign.

You're missing the point by a long shot... the point is, we will be a much improved team by the 2nd half of the season. We're still feeling each other out. This team has a ton of new starters and first time Denver Broncos. It takes a little time. Putting up 400+ yards of offense per game and scoring 15 and 20 points goes to show you that we're not on the same page yet. Shanny isn't in sync with the players either. That will take a little time.

Last but not least, Jax, @Indy, San Diego, and Pitt over the next 5 weeks is not exactly FLUFF!

Our last 8 @KC, Tenn, @Chic, @Oak, KC, @Houston, @SD, and Minn.

KC x2, Tenn, Oak, Minn are all very winnable games. That's 5 wins. If this team is as improved as I expect, Houston will be a win as well. Chicago and SD on the roard are the tough ones. 5-3 in the first half, 6-2 in the second half (and you're right the schedule itself is tougher w/lots of raod games).

What's crazy is we go to Indy the week after next... that's the only time we're outside of Denver until November 4th! A month and a half and we have 4 home games, a bye, and a trip to Indy!

We host Pitt after the bye and then have GB the following week.

I think we can start off at 5-3 or 6-2 and we will be a 2nd half team... GUARANTEED!

[Kaylore]

It's a long season so there's a lot of football to play. To make claims like this this early is stupid. At 0-2 I think this is just the Chiefs trying to say "well we're all pretty bad! Yeah! Yeah, that's the ticket!" ::)

I think Norv can't get his teams ready to play. I think Marty wins that game against the Patriots - though the Patriots are that good.

The Chiefs are terrible and will suck all year. Probably 4 wins.

The Raiders are better than the Chiefs and will probably finish with six or seven wins this year.

San Diego might fall off the wagon and eek out a 10 win season. 9 wins if Rivers continues to be exposed.

We are a very young team and will come together slowly. I have us at 9 wins as well. I don't think that's crappy and I would say all four teams would finish much better if they played in the NFC.

[bpc]

Personally I think the view looks beautiful from the top. :) The AFC West is fine to me.

[azbroncfan]

It's a long season so there's a lot of football to play. To make claims like this this early is stupid. At 0-2 I think this is just the Chiefs trying to say "well we're all pretty bad! Yeah! Yeah, that's the ticket!" ::)

I think Norv can't get his teams ready to play. I think Marty wins that game against the Patriots - though the Patriots are that good.

The Chiefs are terrible and will suck all year. Probably 4 wins.

The Raiders are better than the Chiefs and will probably finish with six or seven wins this year.

San Diego might fall off the wagon and eek out a 10 win season. 9 wins if Rivers continues to be exposed.

We are a very young team and will come together slowly. I have us at 9 wins as well. I don't think that's crappy and I would say all four teams would finish much better if they played in the NFC.

That's how I see it playing out. I think Denver could be a 10 win team if they didn't have so many road games to close the season.

[400HZ]

You're missing the point by a long shot... the point is, we will be a much improved team by the 2nd half of the season. We're still feeling each other out. This team has a ton of new starters and first time Denver Broncos. It takes a little time. Putting up 400+ yards of offense per game and scoring 15 and 20 points goes to show you that we're not on the same page yet. Shanny isn't in sync with the players either. That will take a little time.

Last but not least, Jax, @Indy, San Diego, and Pitt over the next 5 weeks is not exactly FLUFF!

Our last 8 @KC, Tenn, @Chic, @Oak, KC, @Houston, @SD, and Minn.

KC x2, Tenn, Oak, Minn are all very winnable games. That's 5 wins. If this team is as improved as I expect, Houston will be a win as well. Chicago and SD on the roard are the tough ones. 5-3 in the first half, 6-2 in the second half (and you're right the schedule itself is tougher w/lots of raod games).

What's crazy is we go to Indy the week after next... that's the only time we're outside of Denver until November 4th! A month and a half and we have 4 home games, a bye, and a trip to Indy!

We host Pitt after the bye and then have GB the following week.

I think we can start off at 5-3 or 6-2 and we will be a 2nd half team... GUARANTEED!

Right now, I would hate to play Tennessee. They're the type of team that is just scrappy enough to hang with you until the end when they pull some Vince Young magic to steal a win. Indy was a dropped pass away from a loss yesterday, and Indy has been looking pretty damn good on both sides of the ball this year. Definitely #1 or #2 in the NFL, yet they almost dropped it. You guys might luck out and play Tennessee after the Madden Curse strikes, though. :D

Some other crappy teams from last year that I wouldn't look forward to playing this year are Green Bay, Houston, and Pittsburgh. Green Bay has been building that defense for a while now and it's looking like this may be the year that it really comes together. The offense isn't all that impressive, but the D can probably keep them in games. Houston I haven't seen play yet, but they managed to beat KC and Carolina pretty convincingly. No last second wins, just domination throughout. Those aren't high quality opponents, but those are the type of games that serve as stepping stones for a young team like Houston to gain some confidence and really improve. Pittsburgh has just looked badass, on offense and defense. They could make some serious noise this year if Roethlisburger doesn't revert.

[Jason in LA]

AFC West looking pretty poor? Maybe from your perspective. Ha!

That's the samething I thought. His team stinks, so the entire division must suck.

[PatsWin2002]

Steve DeOssie had one of the best quotes before the game last night. He said, "the Chargers traded one coach who can't win in the playoffs for another one who can't win in the regular season." Ha!

[Broncoman13]

Steve DeOssie had one of the best quotes before the game last night. He said, "the Chargers traded one coach who can't win in the playoffs for another one who can't win in the regular season." Ha!

LMAO!!! That's gold

[no-pseudo-fan]

I never will say or think that Denver will lose on any Sunday, but I will say there are games that we should win, and games that are going to be tough.

Games that we should win:
JAX
GB
Det
KC
Tenn
Oak
KC
HOU
Minn

I figure that we will lose at least 2 games that we should win.

Games that will be tough:

Indy
Chicago
Pitt
SD x 2

I figure we should get at least 2 of those.

So 11-5 is a reasonable expectation this year, this doesn't account for injuries.

[NaptownChief]

They are 2-0 and have the #1 offense in the league. What more do you want from them exactly?



Well I expected them to be a tad bit better than nearly starting 0-2 against two bad teams. Based on the homerist takes on this board all spring, summer and fall I think the majority would also....But if your goal is to be just a smidge better than two of the worst teams in the league then that is certainly your prerogative.

[Paladin]

I just want to focus on beating the Jagwads, and pulling for GB.

Go Broncos!!!!
Go Green Bay!!!!

[NaptownChief]

It's a long season so there's a lot of football to play. To make claims like this this early is stupid. At 0-2 I think this is just the Chiefs trying to say "well we're all pretty bad! Yeah! Yeah, that's the ticket!" ::)

I think Norv can't get his teams ready to play. I think Marty wins that game against the Patriots - though the Patriots are that good.

The Chiefs are terrible and will suck all year. Probably 4 wins.

The Raiders are better than the Chiefs and will probably finish with six or seven wins this year.

San Diego might fall off the wagon and eek out a 10 win season. 9 wins if Rivers continues to be exposed.

We are a very young team and will come together slowly. I have us at 9 wins as well. I don't think that's crappy and I would say all four teams would finish much better if they played in the NFC.





Uhhhhh, let me get this straight...."To make claims at this point is stupid..." And yet you then follow that up with a bunch of claims. ???

[Jason in LA]

I never will say or think that Denver will lose on any Sunday, but I will say there are games that we should win, and games that are going to be tough.

Games that we should win:
JAX
GB
Det
KC
Tenn
Oak
KC
HOU
Minn

I figure that we will lose at least 2 games that we should win.

Games that will be tough:

Indy
Chicago
Pitt
SD x 2

I figure we should get at least 2 of those.

So 11-5 is a reasonable expectation this year, this doesn't account for injuries.

The first two games of the season were "should win" games, but the Broncos had to pull a victory out of the jaws of defeat both times. I'm not saying any game is a "should win" until this team works out the kinks.

[bpc]

Who cares what could have "NEARLY" happened. It didn't. We won. We outplayed both teams and we kept them in it. The better team won both games.

We ARE 2-0 because we played well enough to be that.

Nobody will remember a couple years from now that these games were close, just that we won.

Turn the page, its time to bring the Jagwads back in and we have a chance to beat a good football team and go 3-0. I'm sure if we do that, people will say Jacksonville is a bad team.

The only thing I know is that we are undefeated and in 1st place within the AFC West.

[Atwater His Ass]

Anyone with even a lick of football sense can see that Denver and KC are moving in vastly different directions. Denver has a future and is still winning games while they gel. KC's future looks pretty dim and they are losing games and I don't see a way for them currently.

SD is a good team that could go either way so far. I'd love to crown them the "best team not to make the playoffs" every year.

[kamakazi_kal]

Don't really care..........2 - 0 is good enough for me

bring on the hagwars

[azbroncfan]

Anyone with even a lick of football sense can see that Denver and KC are moving in vastly different directions. Denver has a future and is still winning games while they gel. KC's future looks pretty dim and they are losing games and I don't see a way for them currently.

SD is a good team that could go either way so far. I'd love to crown them the "best team not to make the playoffs" every year.

KC's future is going to lie on drafting a QB high next year.

[Mediator12]

Who cares what could have "NEARLY" happened. It didn't. We won. We outplayed both teams and we kept them in it. The better team won both games.

We ARE 2-0 because we played well enough to be that.

Nobody will remember a couple years from now that these games were close, just that we won.

Turn the page, its time to bring the Jagwads back in and we have a chance to beat a good football team and go 3-0. I'm sure if we do that, people will say Jacksonville is a bad team.

The only thing I know is that we are undefeated and in 1st place within the AFC West.

They are also 2-0 in the AFC which is an important tiebreker. And they are capable of much more, while only SD has much more upside than they have shown versus NE and CHI. SD is not as poor as they looked versus those teams, the question is how much better are they? Same thing for DEN, they were not great but how much better can they be?

[WoodMan]

KC's future is going to lie on drafting a QB high next year.

Then giving Herm two years to "develope" him. ;)

[Malcontent]

Uhhhhh, let me get this straight...."To make claims at this point is stupid..." And yet you then follow that up with a bunch of claims. ???

My uncle is a claims adjuster for Geico...perhaps he could help your predicament???