Raiders had some help

[ZONA]

I usually am not one to complain much about NFL refs but simply put, they killed us on the last two drives in the 4th quarter. We had solid drives going on then all of a sudden, two crappy calls that stalled drives. That was not pass interference on Marshall (they both touched and neither pushed off) and should have simply been a no call. Refs get nervous when receivers and DB's touch each other. The rules allow for hand contact, just no pushing off, not holding and what not. The second call was also total BS. If that was holding on Holland then the saying "you can call holding on every play" needs to be modified to "you can call holding on every player on every play". That was complete BS. I think we were getting in a grove and getting momentum back and bam. Just goes to show that bad calls can influence a game. And not just the ones reviewed for Touchdowns or Turnovers.

At first my general impression was this was not a good performance by us but it wasn't all that bad when I went back and watched the game again. That INT for their TD was sorta bad luck. We moved the ball really well and I think we would have scored another TD in the 4th if those two calls were not made. And then of course, we probably would have scored a TD in OT if we wanted to rather then kick the FG. We do need to keep working on some things but so far, I'm seeing enough good stuff to stay positive. It don't have to look pretty but getting W's is the final achievement desired and we've done it.

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That was not pass interference on Marshall (they both touched and neither pushed off) and should have simply been a no call.


Marshall clearly pushed off of the DB with his right hand on that play. His arm was almost draped across the DB's back. It was a good call, it was a bad play by Marshall because he didn't need to push off to get open. Marshall screwed us. Not the refs.

[Popps]

"Nobody was aware they called timeout," lamented Oakland's rookie coach, Lane Kiffin. "They rushed just like there wasn't a timeout. Maybe somebody's got to tell me the rule. They should tell the ref to blow it just before he kicks it."

Funny to hear him bitching about this.

Am I the only one who heard the whistles? I friggin' heard them, loud and clear. I swear. I was waiting for the announcers to explain what they were, and then I started wondering if maybe it came from the crowd.

[Popps]

The only thing I noticed about the refs is that Oak seemed to get away with a little holding, but maybe our guys did, too.

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Here's a funny thing I noticed during that play to Marshall: They showed an unusual angle at first, and I could see Cutler as he realized Marshall was coming open. At first he was relaxed and surveying the field, he didn't look like he was about to throw at all. He suddenly exploded and fired that ball out with some serious heat in an instant. Pretty impressive.

[Popps]

Here's a funny thing I noticed during that play to Marshall: They showed an unusual angle at first, and I could see Cutler as he realized Marshall was coming open. At first he was relaxed and surveying the field, he didn't look like he was about to throw at all. He suddenly exploded and fired that ball out with some serious heat in an instant. Pretty impressive.

Funny, man... I just saw the replay and noticed the exact same thing. He really did a great job of not locking on him, which he had problems with earlier in the game.

The kid's going to be special. Coaches just need to keep on him about technique/basics.

[Jason in LA]

That PI on Marshall was BS. Both players were shoving each other. Marshall didn't really push off. One question is why was the CB still engaged with Marshall past the five yard mark? That play really changed the game. They Broncos would have gone up 24-3, and the rout would have been on. Instead the Raiders get new life and come back.

[cabronco]

The only thing I noticed about the refs is that Oak seemed to get away with a little holding, but maybe our guys did, too.

Ya, thats probably true. And I'd like to personally thank Warren for getting a blatent holding call adding 10 yards onto the winning drive. Especially after he & Sapp running their mouth towards the Bronco bench.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

That PI on Marshall was BS. Both players were shoving each other. Marshall didn't really push off. One question is why was the CB still engaged with Marshall past the five yard mark? That play really changed the game. They Broncos would have gone up 24-3, and the rout would have been on. Instead the Raiders get new life and come back.

I wont hate on this call. If they didnt call it, i would have seen that point too...but he did push off.

I don't know what Kiffin was complaining about with the time out. We all heard the whistle and saw the refs run onto the field. I thought it was a false start or something actually.

[ZONA]

All of you who think Marshall pushed off either didn't watch the play more then once and/or don't know what a real push off is. It was if they had their arms locked and Marshall's arm was on the back of DB and DB's arm was on Marshall's chest. BOTH players released their arms at the break. Watch it closely several times if you have to. Marhsall didn't not extend into a push. It simply let his arm release off the DB's back and the DB didn't not grab and hold as Marshall broke off the route. To some, it looks like a push only because the route was broken off so fast and the DB naturally took another step as he is reacting. As he is taking that step, Marshall's arm drops off of him, in no way what so ever does he extend to push. Read the rules again if you have to, it says they can have their hands on eachother as long as they don't use a push or hold to gain a clear advantage. Marshall did not push off. I've seen many a player do way worse then that and not have it called.

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Post the video if it was unclear at the time.

[~Crash~]

That PI on Marshall was BS. Both players were shoving each other. Marshall didn't really push off. One question is why was the CB still engaged with Marshall past the five yard mark? That play really changed the game. They Broncos would have gone up 24-3, and the rout would have been on. Instead the Raiders get new life and come back.


:thumbsup: you got it on the mark

[Garcia Bronco]

They got away with more holding than I have seen in a long while. When they finally called it on them late, everybody was shocked in the stands. The Raiders were also getting great spots from the officials. They were afforded every advantage IMO, and we still beat them. Great win

[crazyhorse]

Shanny thinks the only reason the Donks won the game, was devine intervention. He feels the Broncos recieved help.

[s0phr0syne]

...Marshall said he knew he was guilty of the infraction and that he wasn't upset about it... "I'm pretty sure I did and when I see it on film, it's probably going to be that. That's kind of why I jogged into the end zone. I knew no one was going to catch me, but I was like, 'Man, they're going to call it back.'"


Good try Zona.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=7216

[fdf]

All of you who think Marshall pushed off either didn't watch the play more then once and/or don't know what a real push off is. It was if they had their arms locked and Marshall's arm was on the back of DB and DB's arm was on Marshall's chest. BOTH players released their arms at the break. Watch it closely several times if you have to. Marhsall didn't not extend into a push. It simply let his arm release off the DB's back and the DB didn't not grab and hold as Marshall broke off the route. To some, it looks like a push only because the route was broken off so fast and the DB naturally took another step as he is reacting. As he is taking that step, Marshall's arm drops off of him, in no way what so ever does he extend to push. Read the rules again if you have to, it says they can have their hands on eachother as long as they don't use a push or hold to gain a clear advantage. Marshall did not push off. I've seen many a player do way worse then that and not have it called.

Read Marshall's interview today. He says he pushed off.

[smalltowngrll]

They got away with more holding than I have seen in a long while. When they finally called it on them late, everybody was shocked in the stands. The Raiders were also getting great spots from the officials. They were afforded every advantage IMO, and we still beat them. Great win

that's what we noticed too! The spotting for the Broncos seemed shorter than where it really had been downed and the Raiders seemed to gain several advantagous spots! That was commented on several times by many in the stands around us.

Regarding the time out.. I just remember sitting there with my heart in my hands watching the Raiders run on the field in victory, then seeing that Time out had been called we couldn't stop jumping up and down! I never want to have to see the Raiders celebrating like that again ...EVER!

[DennisSmithHOF]

I heard the whistles and I was sitting at a sports bar with the only sound was at my table with one of those tuners that you can adjust to pick up the different games.

As far as pass interference on Marshall, I think that could have gone either way. However, you should have seen the interference on Calvin Johnson that they didn't call. I don't have a link, but it was for a touchdown so maybe they have it on NFL.com. Pretty blatant non call that certainly had an effect on the outcome of a close game in Detroit.