The official Broncos vs. Chiefs thread.

[Atlas]

Denver 2-0; Kansas City 0-2

Just to add to the other threads.

[Steve Sewell]

Denver 2-0; Kansas City 0-2

Just to add to the other threads.


lay up

[Bronx33]

KCs only threat (LJ) will surely give us fits ohhh and Rayner is pretty sweet kicker.

[Atlas]

KCs only threat (LJ) will surely give us fits ohhh and Rayner is pretty sweet kicker.

Hopefully Denver will get their run defense in order by then..... but KC's passing game offers no threat what's so ever.

[Atlas]

Chiefs embarrassed by Bears in 20-10 loss

SoCals link: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/278370.html

By JASON KING
The Kansas City Star

CHICAGO | The 20-10 loss to the Bears was nearly an hour old, and Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez still wasn’t ready to talk.

“Not yet,” Gonzalez said as he fiddled with the collar on his dress shirt. “Give me a few minutes, OK?”

Gonzalez stepped away from his locker and paced around the dressing room, eventually retreating to a secluded corner.

Perhaps Gonzalez was preparing to find the right words to portray the buffoonery that had taken place on Soldier Field, as the Chiefs lost for the seventh straight time dating back to last season’s playoff loss, including the preseason.

Disappointing? Frustrating? Sure, all losses are.

But Gonzalez felt this one deserved a more powerful description.

“I’m embarrassed,” Gonzalez said. “As far as I’m concerned there’s only one way to go, because we can’t get any worse.”

Two fourth-quarter turnovers, special-teams breakdowns and a rushing attack that averaged just 2.9 yards. One week after a 20-3 setback at Houston, the Chiefs looked incompetent once again in Sunday’s loss to the Bears, who tried time and again to throw away the game against a squad that couldn’t capitalize.

“This isn’t OK,” Gonzalez said. “It’s not OK to be 0-2. There’s no silver lining. It’s not clicking. It’s not working. Something has to be done. The calls, the execution … we’re all in this thing together.

“I’m at a loss for words right now.”

So are the Chiefs fans who watched Sunday’s game. Go to any local sandlot and you might be able to find kids who could draw up better plays with twigs and bottle caps than the Chiefs came up with Sunday.

The worst decision came with the Chiefs trailing 20-10 midway through the fourth quarter. Facing a third and 1 from the Bears’ 16, all Kansas City needed was a short run by Larry Johnson to get a first down and prolong the drive.

Even if Johnson was stopped for no gain, the Chiefs could’ve kicked a field goal to make it 20-13 and put themselves in a position to tie and force overtime.

Instead, quarterback Damon Huard attempted to throw a fade pass in the corner of the end zone to 5-foot-11 receiver Samie Parker, who is really more like 5-9. Chicago cornerback Charles Tillman tipped the ball into the hands of safety Danieal Manning, whose interception all but sealed the Chiefs’ fate.

Chiefs coach Herm Edwards said the fade pass was the third option, with the first two being short passes to Gonzalez or Dwayne Bowe. Edwards said Huard changed his mind when he saw the Bears in man-to-man coverage.

“It’s funny,” Edwards said. “If you don’t try to make big plays in games you’re going to get criticized for running the ball and being conservative. But if you do try to make a big play and the guy intercepts the ball, it goes the other way.”

Huard said he wished he could go back and do things differently.

“It was man-to-man coverage,” he said. “The safety was in the middle of the field. You try to make a play when you get that opportunity. We tried to take a shot. Unfortunately, it backfired. Would I like to have it back? Sure.”

Kicker Dave Rayner had a 48-yard field-goal attempt blocked early in the fourth quarter, and Michael Bennett fumbled on the Bears’ 16 with 2:30 remaining.

The Chiefs also allowed a 73-yard punt return for a touchdown by Devin Hester. Kansas City also had a touchdown pass to Bowe called back because of an illegal shift.

All of that led to an air of frustration in the Chiefs’ locker room, and no player voiced his displeasure more than Gonzalez, who was particularly steamed about the offense. The Chiefs went three-and-out on four of their first five possessions and have scored just one touchdown in the first two games.

Asked whether “everyone was on the same page,” Gonzalez said: “Obviously something isn’t working, so no, everyone is not on the same page. How can they be if we’re not putting points on the board?

“I couldn’t really tell you what it is. I have my opinions, but I’m going to keep them to myself. I’m not going to rock the boat.

“I can’t stand being 0-2 like this. It just makes the (upcoming) week so much harder. We’ve got to go through practice now and try to figure out why it’s not working. Everyone is going to be in a bad mood. It just makes life miserable.”

The one positive is that the Chiefs will finally get to play at home against Minnesota on Sunday. Players are quick to point out that last year’s squad lost its first two games but still made the playoffs.

“We’ve got to get a win next Sunday,” Chiefs cornerback Patrick Surtain said. “We don’t want to get behind the eight ball at 0-3. Hopefully, guys will come out fighting.

“The first thing people are going to start looking for is for this team to split up … but we’re not going to let that happen.”

[SoCalBronco]

Denver 2 0
San Diego 1 1
Oakland 0 2
Bob 0 2

It's always great when the standings reflect real life...back into the basement for Bob.

[azbroncfan]

Sorry but KC is the worst team in the division this year and are going to challenge OAKLAND's O from last year for worst ever.

[KCStud]

LMAO like the Broncos are some powerhouse. They barely beat two winless teams who were horrible last year. Wait till they start playing good teams like IND, SD, and PIT and then talk

[Kaylore]

LMAO like the Broncos are some powerhouse. They barely beat two winless teams who were horrible last year. Wait till they start playing good teams like IND, SD, and PIT and then talk

In that case you should probably not post until your team wins a game, hypocrite.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Go to any local sandlot and you might be able to find kids who could draw up better plays with twigs and bottle caps than the Chiefs came up with Sunday.

:giggle:

[Killericon]

Go Vikings!

[crazyhorse]

The Donks and Chiefs will play each other soon enough. It will be a matchup of 2 "punchless" teams.

Nothing to be proud of either way, for either side.

BTW Cutler=Plummer

[ssgtwc1]

The Donks and Chiefs will play each other soon enough. It will be a matchup of 2 "punchless" teams.

Nothing to be proud of either way, for either side.

BTW Cutler=Plummer

:spit:

[Mediator12]

LMAO like the Broncos are some powerhouse. They barely beat two winless teams who were horrible last year. Wait till they start playing good teams like IND, SD, and PIT and then talk

Powerhouse, no. They are wildly inconsistent at this point, but have been dominant from play to play like they have not been in years, despite missing chemistry at this point. They are not translating yards into points on offense, have not fixed their rushing defense, still need the DL to play consistent, but have outgained their opponents 911 to 417. They have more than doubled the other teams outputs, DESPITE playing as inconsistent as they have. In fact, they have dominated both teams terribly but just eaked out wins because they have allowed too many one play drives for points due to inconsistency.

So, for you to say that they are not a powerhouse and wait till they play good teams is a little too convenient an argument. As usual, it only takes into account your hopes and wishes and not facts.

Meanwhile, Chiefs are going to be lucky to escape SEPT with a Win. The Chiefs offense is pathetic and they go against the top rushing defense in the league with no Passing offense next week. The lone Strength of the chiefs is going to be nullified, and their OL is going to get abused again.

[crazyhorse]

Powerhouse, no. They are wildly inconsistent at this point, but have been dominant from play to play like they have not been in years, despite missing chemistry at this point. They are not translating yards into points on offense, have not fixed their rushing defense, still need the DL to play consistent, but have outgained their opponents 911 to 417. They have more than doubled the other teams outputs, DESPITE playing as inconsistent as they have. In fact, they have dominated both teams terribly but just eaked out wins because they have allowed too many one play drives for points due to inconsistency.

So, for you to say that they are not a powerhouse and wait till they play good teams is a little too convenient an argument. As usual, it only takes into account your hopes and wishes and not facts.

Meanwhile, Chiefs are going to be lucky to escape SEPT with a Win. The Chiefs offense is pathetic and they go against the top rushing defense in the league with no Passing offense next week. The lone Strength of the chiefs is going to be nullified, and their OL is going to get abused again.

So....why do you agree that they aren't a powerhouse, only to say that it's a "convienient" areguement later in your post? Which is it?

Are they a powerhouse or not? I think we all know the answer to that. The Donks have been living a charmed season thus far. It's not a convienient areguement. It's an accurate one.

As for your reference to the Chiefs. They very well may not win a game all sept. However, it wont make the Donks a powerhouse any more than your flip flopping.

[That One Guy]

Remember guys, their OL is MUCH improved this year. And LJ didn't need to come to camp anyways, he's rested. Forget the 0-2 record, remember that Bob promised good things out of the Chefs. Oh... wait... Bob promised good things... OF COURSE we should've expected the opposite, what would a promise from Bob be otherwise?

[ZachKC]

Last one was tough...with the special teams giving up what proved to be exactly the difference in the game with a blocked FG and a punt return for a TD. Though terribly inconsistent in the first half the offense at least showed a few flashes which you couldn't have said last week. The defense giving up only 10 with how much they were on the field is a good sign...

Just gotta keep working and see what comes up next week!

[fontaine]

Werm Edwards gets the credit here.

Shanahan and Bowlen were fine tuning and adding players in right up until gameday (Simeon Rice) while the chefs had all offseason to address their OL problems and Werm just ignored it all.

Seriously, how the hell do you go into the season with Huard and Croyle when guys like Schuab were available? Not to mention the WRs.

Stokley could walk in and be a starting WR on that team!

KC deserves a better coach than that, but what can you do.

;D

[Mediator12]

The Donks and Chiefs will play each other soon enough. It will be a matchup of 2 "punchless" teams.

Nothing to be proud of either way, for either side.

BTW Cutler=Plummer

As usual, you miss the fact that DEN won playing wildly inconsistent and KC lost playing poorly overall. KC has been outgained 540-500, has lost the TO battle in every game, and managed just 6.5 points a game. Not indicators that this team is OK and going to turn around its ineptitude. Comparing them to a team that has more than doubled its opponents yardage 911-417, won the TO battles, and scored 19 points a game is such a minimizing point of view that Weak willed Chiefy fan needs to walk around with any semblance of hope.

In fact, DEN has a lot to be proud. They are executing better than the last three years to start the season, are 2-0, first in the division, and are not even playing anywhere near as well as they have shown they are capable. The only thing KC has shown is that are incapable at every level, except defense where they are OK against weak offensive teams ;D Keep trying to feel better and deluding yourself, at least you have always excelled at that :welcome:

[Mediator12]

So....why do you agree that they aren't a powerhouse, only to say that it's a "convienient" areguement later in your post? Which is it?

Are they a powerhouse or not? I think we all know the answer to that. The Donks have been living a charmed season thus far. It's not a convienient areguement. It's an accurate one.

As for your reference to the Chiefs. They very well may not win a game all sept. However, it wont make the Donks a powerhouse any more than your flip flopping.

It's convenient because it makes you feel better, not because it has anything to do with DEN at this point. DEN has been dominant from play to play, but has been quite poor being consistent in doing so. As usual, your attempt to define DEN to this point is solely based on them being a powerehouse. In case you missed it, and you usually do, DEN is the #1 Offense and the #3 Defense inthe NFL. That in itself is a case that could be argued for dominance. However, they failed to take the next step and blow someone out while beating the crap out of them yet. It should have happened against OAK, and they lacked the killer instinct and execution to be a "powerhouse" at this point. However, as my above post shows, they are not as far away as you wish they were.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Oakland's not that bad of a team. They've certainly got enough parts to kick the crap out of KC when they meet.

[crazyhorse]

As usual, you miss the fact that DEN won playing wildly inconsistent and KC lost playing poorly overall. KC has been outgained 540-500, has lost the TO battle in every game, and managed just 6.5 points a game. Not indicators that this team is OK and going to turn around its ineptitude. Comparing them to a team that has more than doubled its opponents yardage 911-417, won the TO battles, and scored 19 points a game is such a minimizing point of view that Weak willed Chiefy fan needs to walk around with any semblance of hope.

In fact, DEN has a lot to be proud. They are executing better than the last three years to start the season, are 2-0, first in the division, and are not even playing anywhere near as well as they have shown they are capable. The only thing KC has shown is that are incapable at every level, except defense where they are OK against weak offensive teams ;D Keep trying to feel better and deluding yourself, at least you have always excelled at that :welcome:

I haven't missed the point. I havent said the Chiefs were good. In fact, I said niether team was that great. It seems like your saying the same thing. We both must be missing the point, huh?

[Jetmeck]

The Donks and Chiefs will play each other soon enough. It will be a matchup of 2 "punchless" teams.

Nothing to be proud of either way, for either side.

BTW Cutler=Plummer


You are truly showing your ass today. Over 900 yards of offense in two games with a great running game and passing attack. The points will come.

Your team on the other hand has no receiving threat and maybe LJ should try rapping for a living because he has been blanketed.

Herm's playbook.
Play # 1 hand off to LJ up the middle FOR TWO YARDS.
Play # 2 throw to the flat for no gain.
Play # 3 See play # 1

[Paladin]

Poor, poor mullets......

All they have is to come to the Broncos' board and throw out stupid statements and hope for a little recognition and acknowledgement. Won't get that here, mullets. All you get here is Owned.

Poor, poor mullets.........

[epicSocialism4tw]

Oakland's not that bad of a team. They've certainly got enough parts to kick the crap out of KC when they meet.

KC are in the cellar. Thats for sure.

[ZachKC]

Werm Edwards gets the credit here.

Shanahan and Bowlen were fine tuning and adding players in right up until gameday (Simeon Rice) while the chefs had all offseason to address their OL problems and Werm just ignored it all.

Seriously, how the hell do you go into the season with Huard and Croyle when guys like Schuab were available? Not to mention the WRs.

Stokley could walk in and be a starting WR on that team!

KC deserves a better coach than that, but what can you do.

;D

Surprisingly, the line hasn't been that much of an issue.

[KCStud]

You are truly showing your ass today. Over 900 yards of offense in two games with a great running game and passing attack. The points will come.

Your team on the other hand has no receiving threat and maybe LJ should try rapping for a living because he has been blanketed.

Herm's playbook.
Play # 1 hand off to LJ up the middle FOR TWO YARDS.
Play # 2 throw to the flat for no gain.
Play # 3 See play # 1

Gonzo anybody? Also Dwayne Bowe has looked good so far. He had two sweet TD catches yesterday(one was brought back because of an illegal shift by the ol).
So far he is living up to his first round draft status

[ZachKC]

The defense is giving up 13 points per game...if our special teams can get unretarded and our offense can do something...anything...

[KCStud]

The defense is giving up 13 points per game...if our special teams can get unretarded and our offense can do something...anything...

word....our LB core is sick. Nap, Donnie, and DJ all had great games yesterday

[azbroncfan]

The defense is giving up 13 points per game...if our special teams can get unretarded and our offense can do something...anything...

From my point of view KC is giving up 20 pts per game. 20+20=40/2=20pts per game.

Denver 14+20=34/2=17 PPG.

[sixtimeseight]

I haven't missed the point. I havent said the Chiefs were good. In fact, I said niether team was that great. It seems like your saying the same thing. We both must be missing the point, huh?

2-0.
0-2.

One of these things is not like the other.

Bitter Chiefs fans... I love you fat pieces of crap.

[Darkdoc]

Whereas, it is clear that the Denver offense has produced plenty of yards, while coming up short on points so far, there is nothing about that situation that is not very quickly corrected. Their QB has only played 7 games, they have many new players, a largely new offensive line. These are problems that can be fixed with time and experience.

And the defense is largely new, but obviously, once again, are producing and are likely to keep getting more in synch as time goes on.

But, it is just as obvious that the Chiefs problems are profoundly more serious and internal, and not likely to be easily fixed. And they have weak coaching not likely to even know how to fix things, plus the team is having morale problems after only two games.

So you can not, even maybe, compare the two "powerhouses" and suggest that anything is similar. The Chiefs are in serious trouble this year.

Did you come to a Bronco site for some kind of comforting words? That, too, is not likely. I don't think anyone here feels sorry for you.

[Bronco LB 59]

The best part of yesterday's weather delay was watching the entire stadium erupt in a load roar when the big screen showed Devin Hester returning a punt against the Chiefs. Even the Raider fans were cheering.

[bpc]

Hey guys, don't feed the animals!

Ha ha, seriously though, Denver has a future in front of them where as the Chops do not.

Denver will contend as always, Chops will pretend... as always.

Still a lot of season left but these two teams are going in much different directions. KC will be lucky if Oakland doesn't sweep them this year. If nothing else, at least you have the draft to look forward to.

[ZachKC]

From my point of view KC is giving up 20 pts per game. 20+20=40/2=20pts per game.

Denver 14+20=34/2=17 PPG.

Thats right Kansas City is giving that up.

And our defense is giving up 13\game.

[ZachKC]

The best part of yesterday's weather delay was watching the entire stadium erupt in a load roar when the big screen showed Devin Hester returning a punt against the Chiefs. Even the Raider fans were cheering.

Even the Raider fans were cheering? Whoa...against a division rival who they haven't been able to get a win against in 8 straight games? They were cheering even? Hilarious!

[azbroncfan]

Thats right Kansas City is giving that up.

And our defense is giving up 13\game.


Guess what? Denver has given up two TD's on ST's and Pick 6's and we still say that the defense is averaging 17 ppg. Punt coverage should go against the D anyways. Spin it anyway you like.

[Punisher]

lol stop picking on K.C we know they stink

[ZachKC]

Guess what? Denver has given up two TD's on ST's and Pick 6's and we still say that the defense is averaging 17 ppg. Punt coverage should go against the D anyways. Spin it anyway you like.
Thats great, what does it have to do with me saying the Chiefs defense is playing well. I am not saying those other points don't count or that Denver's defense isn't playing well. I am not saying the points don't count in the final score when our special teams gives up points. I have been interested in evaluating our defense and I am not going to blast them when we give up a punt return.

What am I spinning? Nothing.

The defense...is playing well.

[azbroncfan]

Thats great, what does it have to do with me saying the Chiefs defense is playing well. I am not saying those other points don't count or that Denver's defense isn't playing well. I am not saying the points don't count in the final score when our special teams gives up points. I have been interested in evaluating our defense and I am not going to blast them when we give up a punt return.

What am I spinning? Nothing.

The defense...is playing well.

Not saying they are not just that they are averaging 20 ppg against and not the 13 ppg like you say.

[ZachKC]

Not saying they are not just that they are averaging 20 ppg against and not the 13 ppg like you say.

Heh, here is the deal....

You said the Kansas City Chiefs are giving up 20ppg.

And I agree with that.

I say the Kansas City Chiefs Defense is giving up 13ppg.

Both of those are true in my eyes...I don't think they contradict each other.

[azbroncfan]

Heh, here is the deal....

You said the Kansas City Chiefs are giving up 20ppg.

And I agree with that.

I say the Kansas City Chiefs Defense is giving up 13ppg.

Both of those are true in my eyes...I don't think they contradict each other.


I hear what you are saying but the league kept statistics say other wise and why aren't you adding the Hester TD against the D? Using your logic the KC D is giving up 17.0 ppg since you are missing the Hester PR and the extra point against the Texans. Whatever makes you happy. I know Denver is giving up 17 ppg however you slice it and am not going to use a spin formula.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=ypg&pos=def&league=nfl&year=2007&season=2

[WoodMan]

Surprisingly, the line hasn't been that much of an issue.

Uh, is that why LJ hasn't reached 100 yards total rushing after two games.Hilarious! He is the best according to you chef trolls. The kc o-line blows.

[Bronx33]

Where did crazyho and kcstud get from anybody on this thread (the broncos are a powerhouse)? we are simply making fun of your team and petersons lack at doing anything a good gm should have done. Fact is we are going to beat you twice and so is the rest of the NFL POWERHOUSE OR NOT.

[Atlas]

Werm Edwards gets the credit here.

Shanahan and Bowlen were fine tuning and adding players in right up until gameday (Simeon Rice) while the chefs had all offseason to address their OL problems and Werm just ignored it all.

Seriously, how the hell do you go into the season with Huard and Croyle when guys like Schuab were available? Not to mention the WRs.

Stokley could walk in and be a starting WR on that team!

KC deserves a better coach than that, but what can you do.

;D


I have to give Germ credit. In only two years he has taken one of the most powerful offenses in the NFL and totally dismanteled it and made the leagues worst offense. That's pretty amazing.

[Bronx33]

I have to give Germ credit. In only two years he has taken one of the most powerful offenses in the NFL and totally dismanteled it and made the leagues worst offense. That's pretty amazing.


Kinda of like his work with the jets but kc hired him anyways god i love peterson that dopey SOB.

[Atlas]

Kinda of like his work with the jets but kc hired him anyways god i love peterson that dopey SOB.

Not only hired him but gave a 4th rounder for him......... Somewhere Dick Vermeil is laughing his ass off.

[KCStud]

Not only hired him but gave a 4th rounder for him......... Somewhere Dick Vermeil is laughing his ass off.

DV spends most his time at Arrowhead, so I doubt he laughs his ass off

[Paladin]

Right now, the KC team is the football equivalent of the Washington Generals......

[Los Broncos]

Id hate to be a KC fan right about now.

Things don't look good, Herm is worse than i thought he was.

[KCStud]

:flower: Id hate to be a KC fan right about now.

Things don't look good, Herm is worse than i thought he was.

I don't understand how he is supposably bad? He did not ruin the offense. It was getting old anyway. The loss of Roaf and Shields were devistating and Trent has broken down due to age as well. Our defense looks good and our offense has good weapons like Gonzo, Bowe, and LJ. The problem is that we lack a core(except Brian Waters).
It has yet to be seen if Croyle is the answer, so far we don't know.
Herm hasn't even drafted any offensive lineman which is what we need. At least Solari is a good OL coach.
There is no question that Herm has the ability to find talent, even on offense(see Santana Moss and Lamont Jordan).
So far Herm has given KC a lot of great players through the draft on the defensive side of the ball(Hali, Pollard, Page, Tank, Turk) and has drafted a few offensive players, but only one(Bowe) has had a chance to show what he can do so far and he has looked like a first round pick.
I would wait and see what Herm does in the draft concerning the offensive side of the ball(mainly on the offensive line).

People forget that Herm has been a coach for 6 years and has made the playoffs in 4 of them. It's not like he's a horrible coach.

[Los Broncos]

:flower:

I don't understand how he is supposably bad? He did not ruin the offense. It was getting old anyway. The loss of Roaf and Shields were devistating and Trent has broken down due to age as well. Our defense looks good and our offense has good weapons like Gonzo, Bowe, and LJ. The problem is that we lack a core(except Brian Waters).
It has yet to be seen if Croyle is the answer, so far we don't know.
Herm hasn't even drafted any offensive lineman which is what we need. At least Solari is a good OL coach.
There is no question that Herm has the ability to find talent, even on offense(see Santana Moss and Lamont Jordan).
So far Herm has given KC a lot of great players through the draft on the defensive side of the ball(Hali, Pollard, Page, Tank, Turk) and has drafted a few offensive players, but only one(Bowe) has had a chance to show what he can do so far and he has looked like a first round pick.
I would wait and see what Herm does in the draft concerning the offensive side of the ball(mainly on the offensive line).

People forget that Herm has been a coach for 6 years and has made the playoffs in 4 of them. It's not like he's a horrible coach.

Yeah, the offense is old, nothing he can do about that.

But when the team doesn't do well, someone has to take the fall.

LJ has not played well due to the o-line i guess or is he not that good?

[maven]

It's disappointing when the only smack talk around here concerns the Chiefs.

Denver is gunning to replace the Chargers as the top team in AFC West, but the only people who are around this board is Chief fans.

Oh well....

[Atlas]

It's disappointing when the only smack talk around here concerns the Chiefs.

Denver is gunning to replace the Chargers as the top team in AFC West, but the only people who are around this board is Chief fans.

Oh well....

Yeah well, Chugger fan hasn't been seen here since ah well..... Sunday maybe???

I think they'll be keeping a low profile until their next win.

[maven]

Yeah well, Chugger fan has been seen here since ah well..... Sunday maybe???

I think they'll be keeping a low profile until their next win.

Chargers & Raider fans have, in general, been nowhere to be found. For some reason, this board attracts chief fans.

It's very early in the season. Broncons are 2-0. The Chargers are only 1-1.

Chiefs & Raiders are 0-2. I'm not going to jump the gun, but there is A LOT of season left to be played.

Love the start to our season, but it's way to early.

[KCStud]

Yeah, the offense is old, nothing he can do about that.

But when the team doesn't do well, someone has to take the fall.

LJ has not played well due to the o-line i guess or is he not that good?

I think two big reasons HE is a better coach for KC is because

A. Herm can scout and find talent on both sides of the ball. DV couldn't. Honestly. Look at KC's drafts from 2001 to 2006. Look at KC's drafts with DV as head coach. Also, DV did NOT want LJ or DJ. Carl picked LJ and DV wanted Thomas Davis, but he was taken a spot ahead of us thank god.

B. Herm runs a good defense. Offense wins you nothing when you're defense is horrible. Indy's D stood up and looked great in the playoffs. That is why they won the SB.

So far I like what Herm has done. He's attacking DT and WR, positions we have always struggled at. So far DT and WR(Bowe) have not been problems. He also got a QB for us to develop.
I know most Bronco fans give him sh1t, but I think he is getting better week after week. Nobody knows how he will until he is named the starter. From what I have seen, he looks good enough. Not great like Roethlisberger/Brady/Palmer/Rivers(last year), but good to where he won't lose the game for us, but will help us win.

I just think that Herm shouldn't be judged until he gets all his guys in there on offense.

The only real weakness I see on the Chiefs is the OL. I think KC needs a dominant LT and a good G starting over Welbourne. The draft is loaded with LT's(Baker, Long, Cherilus, Oher, Richardson, Clady) in round 1 and 3 good G's in round 2(Tevaga, Grimes, and Arnold).
Brodie is obviously the only other real concern I see. I will be happy if he shows potential this year

[broncocalijohn]

What we need to do is start watching punt balls going over Hixon. That is thier strength and we should be approaching it with a fully massaged neck to be able to follow the punted, spirled pigskin from a possible 180 degree angle. Boob can tell us more details on this fabulous punter they bring out every week.

[boltaneer]

Chargers & Raider fans have, in general, been nowhere to be found. For some reason, this board attracts chief fans.

It's very early in the season. Broncons are 2-0. The Chargers are only 1-1.

Chiefs & Raiders are 0-2. I'm not going to jump the gun, but there is A LOT of season left to be played.

Love the start to our season, but it's way to early.

There is hardly any Charger talk going on here so there's not really much for the Charger posters here to talk about.

I only chime in on non-Charger threads on occasion. I mainly stick to Charger threads, which there hardly any of in the past couple of days.

[fontaine]

Surprisingly, the line hasn't been that much of an issue.

It may look like that. But if you look at their formations you see that KC use more 6/7 down lineman because they're not confident in their OL yet. That means guys like Gonzo etc are blocking more often and even after they release he can only flare out for a 5/10 yard pass. He will make the odd long play here and there but he won't have the freedom of a Gates who is allowed to line up anywhere and run any route.

And when you do have 5 OL, then Huard has to take a quick drop and throw the dink and dunk 5 yard pass because the pocket isn't there for long.

It keeps Huard reasonibly safe but the offense is stale, predictable with defenses allowed to cheap up their safeties and stack the box against Lynch.

Basically if KC is down by more than a score, it's game over.

[Kaylore]

There is hardly any Charger talk going on here so there's not really much for the Charger posters here to talk about.

I only chime in on non-Charger threads on occasion. I mainly stick to Charger threads, which there hardly any of in the past couple of days.

Yeah, but your fan base and the Raiders fan base doesn't have an inferiority complex about how your team stacks up against the Broncos. These Chief trolls don't troll other boards. Chief fans are obsessed with the Broncos and are jealous of us. They're our Jan Brady.

[fontaine]

I think two big reasons HE is a better coach for KC is because

A. Herm can scout and find talent on both sides of the ball. DV couldn't. Honestly. Look at KC's drafts from 2001 to 2006. Look at KC's drafts with DV as head coach. Also, DV did NOT want LJ or DJ. Carl picked LJ and DV wanted Thomas Davis, but he was taken a spot ahead of us thank god.

B. Herm runs a good defense. Offense wins you nothing when you're defense is horrible. Indy's D stood up and looked great in the playoffs. That is why they won the SB.

So far I like what Herm has done. He's attacking DT and WR, positions we have always struggled at. So far DT and WR(Bowe) have not been problems. He also got a QB for us to develop.
I know most Bronco fans give him sh1t, but I think he is getting better week after week. Nobody knows how he will until he is named the starter. From what I have seen, he looks good enough. Not great like Roethlisberger/Brady/Palmer/Rivers(last year), but good to where he won't lose the game for us, but will help us win.

I just think that Herm shouldn't be judged until he gets all his guys in there on offense.

The only real weakness I see on the Chiefs is the OL. I think KC needs a dominant LT and a good G starting over Welbourne. The draft is loaded with LT's(Baker, Long, Cherilus, Oher, Richardson, Clady) in round 1 and 3 good G's in round 2(Tevaga, Grimes, and Arnold).
Brodie is obviously the only other real concern I see. I will be happy if he shows potential this year

Herm did nothing to fix KC's problems now. In the long term, yeah he's got some projects, but considering how it was obvious KC's offense was getting old he should have been more active in replacing those worn down parts.

OL: Herm knew Roaf/Shields were going. What did he do about? Hope and pray that Roaf would change his mind even though it was obvious that Roaf would retire sooner or later. How the funk do you rely on Jordan Black, then Turley and McIntosh who's been cut repeatedly?

Same with WR/QB: Passed on guys like TO, Moss, Moulds, Stallworth, Brees, Schuab the list goes on.

Fact is Herm/Carl settled on 2nd and 3rd best options to save money and now they've got sh*t to work with. The opportunities were there.

The only time KC actually went out and spent cold hard cash on top talent they got great returns for it in Ty Law, Surtain.

You spend money on problems areas by getting Huard and Eddie Drummond? What did you expect?

[redrage]

If KC looks as bad as it has this weekend and can't come up with a win against the Vikings, then I'll start to be worried. I didn't really think this was a playoff team anyway, but it has enough talent to be competitive and would provide an excellent opportunity to see what they have in Croyle.

Not that I think he'll be all world, but if Herm and CP have directed their offseason decisions based on him being the QB, why not play him? Even the most gigantic of homers can't even say with a straight face that this team is a Super Bowl team, so develop a QB already!!!

Bottom line is that I think they'll start to come around a bit. I see where that idiot Prisco has them ranked #32 in his power poll this week. If he thinks the worst team in the NFL can go into Soldier Field against that defense and be in in to the end, the Bears will finish 8-8. KC has always played much better at Arrowhead and recently (including all of last year), like a tenative, scared, high school team on the road.

[Steve Sewell]

I haven't missed the point. I havent said the Chiefs were good. In fact, I said niether team was that great. It seems like your saying the same thing. We both must be missing the point, huh?

Well, comparing the Broncos to the worst team in the NFL is a bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

After reading the latest Sports Illustrated in the lobby of their proctologist's office, all of the Squaw fans are chanting:

We're Number 29
We're Number 29
We're Number 29

As they are surprise to be rated higher than teh number 31 slot where they belong.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/chiefs/

[redrage]

Well, comparing the Broncos to the worst team in the NFL is a bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say?

It's easy for Bronco fans to dismiss the Chiefs as the worst team in the NFL because:

1. They are 0-2
2. They haven't looked cohesive on offense
3. They are a rival team

I can't really argue against any of those points except to say that it is awfully early in the season to be making proclamations like that. KC looked nearly as bad (or worse) last season in getting off to an 0-2 start. The only difference is that both these losses were road games whereas only one was last year. Having 8 of the next 12 at Arrowhead, where KC historically seems to play much, much better should provide at least some pause to the claim of being the worst in the NFL.

If KC does turn out to be the worst in the NFL, that really doesn't bode to well for Chicago's hopes this year. Somehow I just don't see teams like Cleveland, NYG, Atlanta playing Chicago to within 10 points at Soldier field.

After 2 games it's tough to crown anyone anything. NE is in great shape because its two wins include a division road game and one vs. a tough conference foe which may have playoffs implications.

Denver's two wins include a good road win and win at home vs a division foe. If you assume that in order to be successful one must win most (if not all) home games, then Denver has been able to maintain status quo. Whereas a division road win puts them ahead of the curve so to speak.

KC, while being 0-2, lost to a non-conference foe on the road and another road game. The Houston game was a missed opportunity to gain a leg up on others in the conference. The Chicago game isn't what I would consider a 'bad' loss other than it creates pressure for the team to win this week.

If KC was 0-2 after two HOME games, I would feel like their ability to pull them out of that slump would be much, much harder. As it is, I don't think they are that far behind the rest of the division. If they lose to Minnesota, though, then that's probably an indication that they are in for a long season.

[Atwater His Ass]

It is early, we all know that. But when you throw the records out the window, and actually look at how all the teams have played so far, Denver is clearly the best with the most upside. SD has a lot of upside, but has played poorly thus far. Oakland has actually shown some improvment and could get a little better this year. But KC is the only team in the division that has just looked flat out awful. They can't do anything on eithe side of the ball, and they haven't shown anything for fans to point to as potential.

Yeah, it's only 2 games, but that's all we have to go on for now so that's what we'll base our opinions off of.

[kamakazi_kal]

So....why do you agree that they aren't a powerhouse, only to say that it's a "convienient" areguement later in your post? Which is it?

Are they a powerhouse or not? I think we all know the answer to that. The Donks have been living a charmed season thus far. It's not a convienient areguement. It's an accurate one.

As for your reference to the Chiefs. They very well may not win a game all sept. However, it wont make the Donks a powerhouse any more than your flip flopping.

this is just great............sorry, but 2 wins are better then no wins. no matter how you want to spin it..........powerhouse or not who f**^&n cares.
it's :sunshine: in denver.

[kamakazi_kal]

There is hardly any Charger talk going on here so there's not really much for the Charger posters here to talk about.

I only chime in on non-Charger threads on occasion. I mainly stick to Charger threads, which there hardly any of in the past couple of days.

I would much rather talk chargers..........the chiefs a terrible.

2 afc wins are damn good wins.....

[redrage]

But KC is the only team in the division that has just looked flat out awful. They can't do anything on eithe side of the ball, and they haven't shown anything for fans to point to as potential.


I definately wouldn't say that. I think the KC defense has played just fine and they're about to get maybe their best player back (Allen).

As for how teams have 'looked'. OK. I remeber Denver 'looking' pretty damn tough on defense the first 5-6 games of last season. How did that end up? KC offense looked as wretched after 2 games last season (16 total points) and they finished at a respectable ranking.

[Atwater His Ass]

I definately wouldn't say that. I think the KC defense has played just fine and they're about to get maybe their best player back (Allen).

As for how teams have 'looked'. OK. I remeber Denver 'looking' pretty damn tough on defense the first 5-6 games of last season. How did that end up? KC offense looked as wretched after 2 games last season (16 total points) and they finished at a respectable ranking.

I definately would say that.

And what part of this did you miss?

Yeah, it's only 2 games, but that's all we have to go on for now so that's what we'll base our opinions off of.

[Flex Gunmetal]

The Chiefs couldn't compete with any NFC teams at this point...

[Paladin]

I don't want to sound pompous or stuck up or anything like that, but...




Chiefs Suck!

[Atlas]

There is hardly any Charger talk going on here so there's not really much for the Charger posters here to talk about.

I only chime in on non-Charger threads on occasion. I mainly stick to Charger threads, which there hardly any of in the past couple of days.


That is because the Chargers got their ass handed to them by the Cheaters. I'm sure you and your buddies will be trolling back in here after you win a game.