Well boys I reckon this is it

[alkemical]

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/05/loose.nukes/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

Air Force investigates mistaken transport of nuclear warheads

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http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/09/airforce_aircombatcommand_standdown_070807/


ACC orders commandwide standdown Friday

By Bruce Rolfsen - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 10, 2007 17:38:42 EDT

On Sept. 14, flight lines will be very quiet at Air Combat Command bases.

The entire command — about 100,000 active-duty airmen — is standing down training flights and many other operations as part of a command-wide safety day.

Command boss Gen. Ronald Keys ordered the Sept. 14 safety standdown in the wake of the Aug. 30 nuclear incident at Minot Air Force Base, N.D., in which six cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads were loaded onto a B-52H and then flown to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., without anyone on the ground or bomber realizing the nuclear weapons were on the plane. It was not until the B-52H was parked at Barksdale that ground crews discovered the cruise missiles were carrying real warheads.

Command spokesman Maj. Tom Crosson said wing commanders would determine how their units review operations and safety procedures and checklists.

Just how serious Keys takes the lapse of regulations at Minot is reflected in the fact that the safety stand-down is the first commandwide safety day in recent memory. In the past, the command has singled out specific types of aircraft for safety days and in 1997 the Department of Defense held a departmentwide safety review day.


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[alkemical]

PS i really really really really hope not

[ak1971]

what does this mean?

[alkemical]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html

U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan

[Taco John]

We had a bomber equipped with nukes. I don't think we would equip a bomber with nukes just for training purposes.

[alkemical]

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[Spider]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html

U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan
yeah .........next we will hear president Almond joy is the next hitler , mushroom cloud , big bomb go boom on us , make us all glow in the dark , Iran is linked with 9-11 , , mushroom cloud ,axis of evil , we will have a coalition of the willing ..brutal regime gas their own people , Iranian government so evil they canceled south park reruns in Iran ........ and rumor has it President almond Joy is ......... a Raider fan

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We had a bomber equipped with nukes. I don't think we would equip a bomber with nukes just for training purposes.

As usual, the corporate media cover story is a crock of sh*t.

I worked in SAC (USAF) on ECPs, WSAs, B-52 alert areas and mass ramps.

There is a very specific, very complex protocol for transporting nuclear weapons.

Something like this couldn't happen by mistake - it's impossible.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This was No Accident: Nuclear Weapons are Different

Nobody should fall for a story that those six (yeah, it was first reported as five, but now the original military whistleblowers have told Army Times it was six) nuclear-tipped cruise missiles that were flown in launch position on a B-52 from Minot, ND to Barksdale, LA, were put on there inadvertently.

I had some experience with the way nuclear weapons get handled, as compared to conventional weapons, and I can assure you that there is no way anyone would just "accidentally" pick up the wrong weapons.

Back in 1978, I was working as an investigative producer/reporter for the news program "28-Tonight" at KCET-TV in Los Angeles. I got word from some anti-nuke/peace organization that there were nuclear weapons being stored at the Seal Beach Naval Station south of Los Angeles. There was concern about this on two counts: first of all, it was a very densely populated urban area, and second, the weapons were allegedly being stored under the flight path of a busy civil airport, where a crash could easily happen.

Together with a cameraperson, I went down to the base. It was bisected by a highway. On either side of that two-lane road were big mesh wire fences. On the south side of the road, the fences were older, and topped with ordinary barbed wire. On the north side, there was a higher, new looking fence topped with coiled razor wire. There was then an interval of bare soil beyond which was a second fence, also topped with razor wire. Clearly, the security on the north side of the road was much greater.

Beyond the south fence were the weapons bunkers--long high mounds of earth, covered with parched sod. Each was perhaps 75 feet long, and 15 feet high. There was a concrete doorframe in the middle of each with an old iron door in the middle. No one was visible anywhere.

On the north side, however, where there were similar bunkers, but these mounds were bigger--perhaps 20 feet high and much longer. The piled up earth looked newer, and the entrances were much more solid looking. As well, the door to each had an armed guard standing in front of it.

Clearly whatever was being stored in the bunkers on the north side of the street were much more important than those on the south side.

We stopped our car and got out, and the photographer started snapping still photos of the scene.

Immediately there was commotion inside the compound. Within less than a minute, a jeep came roaring towards us, filled with marines who were armed to the teeth. Guns drawn they ordered us, from behind the fence, to stop photographing and to stand where we were. Moments later there were sirens, and more armed jeeps came towards us from both directions down the road. We were quickly surrounded by armed marines who asked us what we were doing.

We told them we were investigating the nuclear weapons storage at the base.

They told us we had to go to the base headquarters, and took the camera. (The photographer, a pro at this stuff, had already snapped a role and stashed it in her pocket, so when they later took out and exposed the roll of film in the camera, we still had our visual evidence).

At base headquarters, the commander grilled us. Our station was called, and after it was confirmed that we were indeed journalists, they took the film, chastised us for bothering them, and, refusing to comment on whether or not there were nukes on the base, sent us on our way.

My point in recounting this experience is to note that nuclear weapons and warheads are not stored together with conventional weapons. They are also guarded much more tightly than are conventional weapons. There is simply no way that a ground crew could accidentally stroll into a weapons storage center and pick up the wrong missiles. (There's good reason for this, too, even aside from security issues: nuclear weapons have fail-safe triggers, and are not prone to just exploding on their own, but conventional weapons are different. They can and often do go off by accident, and if one were stored amidst nuclear weapons and this happened, it could shatter the nuke and spread dangerous nuclear material all over the place. As a result, whether at Seal Beach Naval Station or at Minot AFB, nuclear weapons are strictly segregated from other weapons materials.)

It's clear that so far, no one in Congress or in the corporate media is asking the hard questions about this very disturbing incident.

I would say that the chances that those Advanced Cruise Missiles and their W80-1 nuclear warheads were loaded accidentally on that B-52 are exactly zero. So the question is: who ordered this flight, and why?

Until we have answers to those questions, we have to assume the worst--that this was deliberate, and thus sinister in the extreme--not the best.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/9828

[TheDave]

Actually folks... I know one of the spouses who's husband was directly/indirectly involved with this "incident".

Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubbles, but this WAS an accident.

Flame away...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There's no way it could happen by accident - no matter what kind of damage control/spin the Air Force is doing.

[ant1999e]

I wonder if the E-4B was flying around when this happened?:tinfoilha

[jhat01]

ACC is standing down tomorrow. And LABF, this was an accident.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And LABF, this was an accident.

:bs:

You can't bullsh*t me on that front because I worked in that area in the USAF.

[Spider]

There's no way it could happen by accident - no matter what kind of damage control/spin the Air Force is doing.

sorry bro but yes it could ... I dont know if I should open my trap and say how I know .........ok I will put it like this ..I had a load going from omaha neb ( I was part of a rely ) going to San Diego ca. to a naval base ( name`not important ) but I had 6 crates on marked , Military ,do not open , well I had to go to building 6 on this base ........so I went to building 6 , guy comes out pops open the crates , gives me a funny look and says , you got some explaining to do ...... I handed over my paper work , he read it said go to building 7 ( anyone familure with the navy , building 7 was the same building , just another door) so I go to the other door , show the guy the paper work he tells me not to move , next thing I know these odd looking trucks came up , took the 6 crates and told me to get lost ........ Now I got a peak at what was in the crates , maybe this will make sense to some , but they was gray painted missles ........ I was told they were "hot Nukes "for a nuclear sub , and these missles were ready to go ........ now if they let a trucker haul this **** unprotected from Neb to San Diego ,I wouldnt doubt this was just a mistake .......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

sorry bro but yes it could ... I dont know if I should open my trap and say how I know .........ok I will put it like this ..I had a load going from omaha neb ( I was part of a rely ) going to San Diego ca. to a naval base ( name`not important ) but I had 6 crates on marked , Military ,do not open , well I had to go to building 6 on this base ........so I went to building 6 , guy comes out pops open the crates , gives me a funny look and says , you got some explaining to do ...... I handed over my paper work , he read it said go to building 7 ( anyone familure with the navy , building 7 was the same building , just another door) so I go to the other door , show the guy the paper work he tells me not to move , next thing I know these odd looking trucks came up , took the 6 crates and told me to get lost ........ Now I got a peak at what was in the crates , maybe this will make sense to some , but they was gray painted missles ........ I was told they were "hot Nukes "for a nuclear sub , and these missles were ready to go ........ now if they let a trucker haul this **** unprotected from Neb to San Diego ,I wouldnt doubt this was just a mistake .......

I can't speak for how the Navy handles nukes, but I do know about the Air Force because that was part of my job.

[Spider]

I can't speak for how the Navy handles nukes, but I do know about the Air Force because that was part of my job.

ok .. i was assuming they all handled Nukes the same .....looks like I could be wrong

[defenseman]

As usual, the corporate media cover story is a crock of sh*t.

I worked in SAC (USAF) on ECPs, WSAs, B-52 alert areas and mass ramps.

There is a very specific, very complex protocol for transporting nuclear weapons.

Something like this couldn't happen by mistake - it's impossible.

I am very concerned about this occurence also. The chain of custody is incredibly painful, in addition to the fact that, if you enter the exclusion area during loading you can get yourself shot in a heartbeat. I was very very concerned, as many here when I heard this went down. To my understanding of the process, a total breakdown wrt the COC and "in stone" procedural compliance wrt authorization and movement would have to have been violated. Don't like it one bit...dman

[jhat01]

Let me ask you this.....How are the nukes marked?

[defenseman]

Let me ask you this.....How are the nukes marked?

I'm not going to go there here....dman

*I'm a boat (sub) sailor. Let's leave it at that...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Actually folks... I know one of the spouses who's husband was directly/indirectly involved with this "incident".
Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubbles, but this WAS an accident.
Flame away...Yep, and heads are/will be rolling. Why everything has to be a conspiracy to some people here is the real mystery.

[jhat01]

Some people would be suprised by their markings...

[jhat01]

I can't speak for how the Navy handles nukes, but I do know about the Air Force because that was part of my job.


So explain to me where the conspiracy is. People have already been relieved because of this. I work in an ACC squadron now, and trust me - heads have rolled.

[defenseman]

Yep, and heads are/will be rolling. Why everything has to be a conspiracy to some people here is the real mystery.

They damn well better. This is a major screw up. I honestly don't know how this could happen given measures in place. Conspiracy? No. But a gross violation thereof, absolutely....dman

[defenseman]

So explain to me where the conspiracy is. People have already been relieved because of this. I work in an ACC squadron now, and trust me - heads have rolled.

"being relieved" is quite simply not enough. They need to get hammered hard, simple as that..dman

[defenseman]

Some people would be suprised by their markings...

I'm sure...dman

[TailgateNut]

Gotta chime in on this one. Accident, my ass! If this was an accident, everyone involved needs to be thrown in the slammer for life! As Dman man stated, the COC protocol should and if followed, does not allow this type of "mistake"!
The clearances required generally exclude people lacking gray matter!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

They damn well better. This is a major screw up. I honestly don't know how this could happen given measures in place. Conspiracy? No. But a gross violation thereof, absolutely....dman
Not everything works like clockwork in the military. That's why nuclear weapons will probably be the end of life on the planet as we know it some day.

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Nuclear bombs mistakenly flown over U.S (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070906/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/bomber_warheads_21)
By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 6, 1:23 AM ET

WASHINGTON - A B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across several states last week, prompting an Air Force investigation and the firing of one commander, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.

The mistake was so serious that President Bush and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were quickly informed and Gates has asked for daily briefings on the Air Force inquiry, said Defense Department press secretary Geoff Morrell.


http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070905/capt.sge.rgd36.050907145518.photo00.photo.default-512x316.jpg?x=380&y=234&sig=YOEnE908IUgHibgZ75AhnQ--
A US Air Force B-52 bomber seen here in Melbourne in 2005. A B-52 bomber flew the length of the United States last week mistakenly loaded with as many as six nuclear armed cruise missiles last week, a US military official confirmed Wednesday.(AFP/File/Paul Crock)

He said Gates was assured that "the munitions were part of a routine transfer between the two bases and at all times they were in the custody and control of Air Force personnel and at no time was the public in danger."

Rep. Ike Skelton, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, called the mishandling of the weapons "deeply disturbing" and said the committee would press the military for details. Rep. Edward J. Markey, a senior member of the Homeland Security Committee, said it was "absolutely inexcusable."

"Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was impossible," said Markey, D-Mass., co-chair of the House task force on nonproliferation.

The plane was carrying advanced cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of a Defense Department policy not to confirm information on nuclear weapons.

The missiles, which are being decommissioned, were mounted onto pylons on the bomber's wings and it is unclear why the warheads had not been removed beforehand.

According to the officials, the weapons are designed with multiple safety features that ensure the warheads don't accidentally detonate.

Arming the weapons requires a number of stringent protocols and authentication codes that must be followed for detonation. And they are designed to withstand a significant impact, including an aircraft crash, without detonating.

The Air Combat Command has ordered a command-wide stand down on Sept. 14 to review procedures, officials said. They said there was minimal risk to crews and the public because of safety features designed into the munitions.

In addition to the munitions squadron commander who was relieved of his duties, crews involved with the mistaken load — including ground crew workers — have been temporarily decertified for handling munitions, one official said.

The investigation is expected to take several weeks.

The incident was first reported by Military Times newspaper group.

"There is no more serious issue than the security and proper handling of nuclear weapons," Skelton said in a statement Wednesday. "The American people, our friends, and our potential adversaries must be confident that the highest standards are in place when it comes to our nuclear arsenal."

Skelton, D-Mo., said his committee will pursue answers on the classified matter "to ensure that the Air Force and the Department of Defense address this particular incident and strengthen controls more generally."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The chain of custody is incredibly painful, in addition to the fact that, if you enter the exclusion area during loading you can get yourself shot in a heartbeat.

Which is exactly why this couldn't have been an "accident."

The odds of someone f@*king up at every step in the chain are so slim it's ridiculous.

Conventional weapons are not stored in the same WSAs as nukes, so it' s not like someone could've gotten confused on that account.

It's just plain stupid to believe such a series of events involving so many people could happen by accident w/o anyone noticing.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was impossible," said Markey, D-Mass., co-chair of the House task force on nonproliferation.

Because it is impossible - at least impossible to happen by accident, at any rate.

[defenseman]

Which is exactly why this couldn't have been an "accident."

The odds of someone f@*king up at every step in the chain are so slim it's ridiculous.

Conventional weapons are not stored in the same WSAs as nukes, so it' s not like someone could've gotten confused on that account.

It's just plain stupid to believe such a series of events involving so many people could happen by accident w/o anyone noticing.

I can only hope they are going extremely high order on this and pull the string till they get to the bottom of it. Quite honestly, these kinds of things scare the bejeezus out of me.....dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Because it is impossible - at least impossible to happen by accident, at any rate.No it isn't, nothing is when humans are counted on not to make mistakes. ;D

[jhat01]

If you knew anything about the "Big Ugly", you would know that there is no way for the aircrew to know that nuke warheads are loaded in the missiles if the aircraft forms were wrong. I just got out of our safety standdown meeting. There is no conspiracy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No it isn't, nothing is when humans are counted on not to make mistakes. ;D

But we're talking about a very complex protocol/chain of custody involving many humans here.

To say the odds of something like this happening by accident are very slim would be a huge understatement.

[alkemical]

Actually folks... I know one of the spouses who's husband was directly/indirectly involved with this "incident".

Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubbles, but this WAS an accident.

Flame away...

thank god

[ant1999e]

Here you go LABF:
Some pretty crazy stuff.

http://news2ulinks.blogspot.com/

"THEY ARE "NOT" LOOKING FOR FOSSETT, HE IS NOT MISSING, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE HE IS.... THEY ARE USING HIM AS A COVER STORY... THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A MISSING 150 KILOTON NUKE!"

Something just occurred to me....

On Aug. 30th we had the B-52 nuke incident, no one knows for sure if there were 5 or 6 nukes yet.

If there were 6, ONE IS MISSING

On Sept. 3rd, we are being told that a famous man went missing... a highly connected famous man.

for days they have been searching for him.....

OR HAVE THEY?

This all just hit me when I was watching the news for the first time in about two weeks, and I heard them say that the MILITARY is helping to look for this Fossett guy.

WHAT? The Military????

It was then that it hit me....

THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE MISSING NUKE!

Nevada Guard Aids Search for Missing Pilot Fossett
http://www.blackanthem.com/News/U_S_Military_19/Nevada_Guard_Aids_Search_for_Missing_Pilot_Fossett 9908.shtml

Air Force units assist in search for adventurer Steve Fossett
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123066968

COME ON, THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS IS ALL FOR SOME GUY!!

They even have GOOGLE searching for the guy FROM SPACE!!

Mark my words.... THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A MISSING NUKE.

This Fossett guy is ONLY missing because they needed a cover story... they had to find a way to explain all of the military planes that were going to be flying around over Nevada.

They needed a good excuse and VOILA... Fossett provided it!!

As soon as they locate the nuke, they will produce the set up "crash" scene!

Right now that man is in a bunker somewhere with his plane hidden inside or underneath of a mountain being held in safe keeping away from public eyes until they find what they are really looking for.........

A MISSING 150 KILOTON NUCLEAR WEAPON!!



"MILITARY INVOLVED IN EXPOSING THE B52 NUKE TRANSFER NOW DEAD"


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[Spider]

I say we tazer the **** out of them ....... saw à kid on you tube get tazered .......... we tazer these bastards they wont screw up again

[alkemical]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=72718&sectionid=351020205

US warship 'catches fire in Persian Gulf'
Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:24:32 GMT
A vessel belonging to the US Navy has reportedly caught fire in the northern Persian Gulf near the Iraqi port cities of Al-Bakr and Al-Amaya.

Informed military sources said on Monday that the US Navy had secretly moved the vessel to the coasts of Kuwait after the fire broke out, Iran's Arabic-language TV channel Al-Alam reported.

The sources did not rule out the possibility that a blast had started the fire on the vessel that was said to be "one of the four US warships in the region," the report added.

The US military has not yet commented on the report.

[mhgaffney]

Beerslugger posts the usual rubbish.

9/11 WAS a conspiracy. Even if you accept the official story IT WAS STILL A CONSPIRACY.

The US military's failure to respond -- the so called "intelligence failures" -- call it whatever you want -- should have prompted "heads to roll" - as Beerslugger puts it.

Yet, there was not so much as one single reprimand after 9/11 -- let alone rolling heads. So what does this tell us?

The only conclusion one can reach is that no one was punished after 9/11 because this would have led to lawsuits -- which would have involved the scrutiny of REAL evidence subpoenad in REAL court proceedings.

This would have exposed the REAL perpetrators of 9/11. Which explains why Bush & Co, handed out numerous promotions and awards to the very same individuals responsible for the "security failures" on 9/11.

To buy their silence and complicity.