Russia builds powerful vacuum bomb

[Bronco Bob]

Russia says builds most powerful vacuum bomb

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia has tested the world's most powerful vacuum bomb, an explosive device unleashing a destructive shockwave with the power of a nuclear weapon, the military said on Tuesday.

The bomb is the latest in a series of new Russian weapons and policy moves unveiled as President Vladimir Putin tries to reassert Moscow's role on the international stage.

"Test results of the new airborne weapon have shown that its efficiency and power is commensurate with a nuclear weapon," Alexander Rukshin, Russian deputy armed forces chief of staff, told Russia's ORT First Channel television.

"You will now see it in action, the bomb which has no match in the world is being tested at a military site," the state-controlled channel said. It showed a Tupolev Tu-160 strategic bomber dropping the bomb over a testing ground. A large explosion followed.

Pictures followed of what looked like a flattened multi-storeyed block of flats, surrounded by scorched soil and boulders.

"The defence ministry stresses this military invention does not contradict a single international treaty. Russia is not unleashing a new arms race," the channel said.

Such devices generally detonate in two stages. First a small blast disperses a main load of explosive material into a cloud, which then either spontaneously ignites in air or is set off by a second charge.

This explosion generates a pressure wave that reaches much further than that from a conventional explosive. The consumption of gases in the blast also generates a partial vacuum that can compound damage and injuries caused by the explosion itself.

"The main destruction is inflicted by an ultrasonic shockwave and an incredibly high temperature," the report said. "All that is alive merely evaporates."

"At the same time, I want to stress that the action of this weapon does not contaminate the environment, in contrast to a nuclear one," Rukshin said.

{A green bomb, no less}

{basically seems to be a very big fuel-air bomb}
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/9/12/worldupdates

[Bronco Bob]

More on fuel-air explosives:

How FAEs Work
A typical fuel air explosive device consists of a container of fuel and two separate explosive charges. After the munition is dropped or fired, the first explosive charge bursts open the container at a predetermined height and disperses the fuel in a cloud that mixes with atmospheric oxygen (the size of the cloud varies with the size of the munition). The cloud of fuel flows around objects and into structures. The second charge then detonates the cloud, creating a massive blast wave. (For a demonstration of a FAE explosion, see the U.S. Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division, China Lake, California, page at "http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/clmf/faeseq.html".) The blast wave destroys unreinforced buildings and equipment and kills and injures personnel. The antipersonnel effect of the blast wave is more severe in foxholes, on personnel with body armor, and in enclosed spaces such as caves, buildings, and bunkers.

Fuel-air explosives were first developed, and used in Vietnam, by the United States. Soviet scientists, however, quickly developed their own FAE weapons, which were reportedly used against China in a 1969 border conflict and in Afghanistan. Since then research and development has continued and currently Russian forces field a wide array of third-generation FAE warheads.

In addition to classic FAE munitions, Soviet scientists have also developed other "enhanced-blast" munitions, particularly reactive-surround and slurry-explosive blast warheads. Both types of warheads work on the same principle by which the explosive is dispersed and mixed with atmospheric oxygen before the detonation process is completed. The destruction, death, and injury are caused by the blast wave. Reactive-surround warheads are thin-walled containers filled with combustible aluminum and nitrocellulose.

Slurry-explosive warheads are a mixture of a high explosive or other explosive solid mixed with a combustible liquid.

Blast Injuries

Blast explosives kill or injure in three ways: with the blast wave; with flying debris or by collapsing buildings; and by the blast wind throwing bodies against the ground, equipment, structures, and other stationary objects.

According to a 1993 study by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency:
The [blast] kill mechanism against living targets is unique--and unpleasant.... What kills is the pressure wave, and more importantly, the subsequent rarefaction [vacuum], which ruptures the lungs.… If the fuel deflagrates but does not detonate, victims will be severely burned and will probably also inhale the burning fuel. Since the most common FAE fuels, ethylene oxide and propylene oxide, are highly toxic, undetonated FAE should prove as lethal to personnel caught within the cloud as most chemical agents.⁽⁸⁾ (http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/02/chech0215b.htm#N_8_)

According to a separate U.S. Central Intelligence Agency study, "the effect of an FAE explosion within confined spaces is immense. Those near the ignition point are obliterated. Those at the fringe are likely to suffer many internal, and thus invisible injuries, including burst eardrums and crushed inner ear organs, severe concussions, ruptured lungs and internal organs, and possibly blindness."⁽⁹⁾ (http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/02/chech0215b.htm#N_9_)

Another Defense Intelligence Agency document speculates that because the "shock and pressure waves cause minimal damage to brain tissue…it is possible that victims of FAEs are not rendered unconscious by the blast, but instead suffer for several seconds or minutes while they suffocate."⁽¹⁰⁾ (http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/02/chech0215b.htm#N_10_)

Lung injuries are particularly difficult to diagnose and treat. If FAEs are used in Chechnya, this would present an additional burden on the ill-equipped and overburdened Chechen hospitals.



http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/02/chech0215b.htm

[Pezman]

Well hell yeah. It may kill off tens of thousands, but I'll sleep better knowing it wont contaminate the survivors drinking water or food. Or something like that. Ugh

[alkemical]

PC warfare. Gotta love it.

[Rohirrim]

Human beings are nothing more than really smart, but crazy monkeys.

[alkemical]

"i'm the first mammal to wear pants!!" - check the do the evolution thread ;)

[elsid13]

Gee guess they saw ours and wanted to prove they had large cranks

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/moab.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_gk49n5djw

[alkemical]

is it really a "whose got a bigger phallus" issue that's plagued man conrtrolled gov't?

[elsid13]

is it really a "whose got a bigger phallus" issue that's plagued man conrtrolled gov't?

Dude it been that way since we walk off the plains of Africa. Deep down it all about dominance and the ego. It one of the things that propelled us forward but if not kept in check can kill us all.

[alkemical]

Dude it been that way since we walk off the plains of Africa. Deep down it all about dominance and the ego. It one of the things that propelled us forward but if not kept in check can kill us all.

well then maybe it's time to let women be in control....

[elsid13]

well then maybe it's time to let women be in control....

Don't let anyone fool you, women can 100 time meaner then men. There is a reason that certain tribe turned captives over to women.

[Pezman]

So are we starting a new cold war?

Does this mean that Russia sucks (air) better than the rest of the world now? If I was America, I'd be developing a sucker using Paris Hilton as a model. Just think of the destructive possibilities

[alkemical]

Don't let anyone fool you, women can 100 time meaner then men. There is a reason that certain tribe turned captives over to women.

well then, let the human race annilate it self and die out - if we can't move past the animal sides of ourselves, or the bactirial "anscestors" - we do more harm than good and there is no hope (since we never learn).

[elsid13]

So are we starting a new cold war?

Does this mean that Russia sucks (air) better than the rest of the world now? If I was America, I'd be developing a sucker using Paris Hilton as a model. Just think of the destructive possibilities


Dude I think you can go to jail for giving away our top secret military program.

[alkemical]

So are we starting a new cold war?

Does this mean that Russia sucks (air) better than the rest of the world now? If I was America, I'd be developing a sucker using Paris Hilton as a model. Just think of the destructive possibilities

heh, how many people have slept in a hilton.....

[elsid13]

well then, let the human race annilate it self and die out - if we can't move past the animal sides of ourselves, or the bactirial "anscestors" - we do more harm than good and there is no hope (since we never learn).

Come on, it ain't that bad. We got Velvet Paintings of Elvis. How can any race be that bad if they can create something like that ;D

[alkemical]

Come on, it ain't that bad. We got Velvet Paintings of Elvis. How can any race be that bad if they can create something like that ;D

LOL - i dunno - i didn't see it on the "new 7 wonders" list

[elsid13]

LOL - i dunno - i didn't see it on the "new 7 wonders" list

Well I think McGaff has conspiracy theory to explain how a secret cartel kept Elvis off the wonder list and how the mini-nuke secrets are in hidden in the velvet background

[Bronco Bob]

Don't let anyone fool you, women can 100 time meaner then men. There is a reason that certain tribe turned captives over to women.

And Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, and Golda Meir weren't exactly peaceniks.

[Bronco Yoda]

humans are such crazy mofo's...

[baja]

well then maybe it's time to let women be in control....

That will happen soon, too bad it wasn't sooner.

[Bronco Bob]

Just a little side note, the Russians have dubbed their bomb
the "Father of all Bombs" in response to the US's MOAB
(Mother of all Bombs), claiming their bomb is four times more powerful
than the MOAB -- 44 metric tons of TNT equivalent -- and the temperature
at the epicenter of its blast is two times higher.

[yavoon]

evolutionarily speaking the reason man is so smart and so violent is that all the smart ones killed all the pussies.

[alkemical]

evolutionarily speaking the reason man is so smart and so violent is that all the smart ones killed all the pussies.

i'd beg to differ. Unless you are saying serial killers are smarter than those they've killed and are a higher species of "man".

[Bronco_Beerslug]

evolutionarily speaking the reason man is so smart and so violent is that all the smart ones killed all the pussies.Yeah, looking at our world, humans are all geniuses. :~ohyah!:

[elsid13]

Yeah, looking at our world, humans are all geniuses. :~ohyah!:

The KC fan base disproves that theory.

[yavoon]

i'd beg to differ. Unless you are saying serial killers are smarter than those they've killed and are a higher species of "man".

serial killers violence is non-competitive evoluationarily speaking. but most of the advances in technology mankind has made have been used to do 2 things, get more food, kill more ppl. which in turn by displacement gets more food. remember the neanderthal, they were dumb, we killed them.

a lot of fun stuff can be had this way. but IMO our intelligence and our violence are inextricably linked by evolution.

[W*GS]

Is a "vacuum bomb" anything like the "Nude Bomb"?

[Bronco Bob]

serial killers violence is non-competitive evoluationarily speaking. but most of the advances in technology mankind has made have been used to do 2 things, get more food, kill more ppl. which in turn by displacement gets more food. remember the neanderthal, they were dumb, we killed them.

a lot of fun stuff can be had this way. but IMO our intelligence and our violence are inextricably linked by evolution.

Not necessarily. Neanderthals actually had a larger brain than modern humans.
One theory is that Neanderthals simply had a lower birthrate than humans
and so humans outbred them, sort of like how Muslims in Europe have
a higher birthrate than Christians are so are displacing them.

[Bronco Bob]

Is a "vacuum bomb" anything like the "Nude Bomb"?

More like a great big mini-nuke.

[alkemical]

serial killers violence is non-competitive evoluationarily speaking. but most of the advances in technology mankind has made have been used to do 2 things, get more food, kill more ppl. which in turn by displacement gets more food. remember the neanderthal, they were dumb, we killed them.

a lot of fun stuff can be had this way. but IMO our intelligence and our violence are inextricably linked by evolution.

So murder in the name of competition is the only valid way to explain darwinism?

So then guns and cars don't equate to f'ning up "survivial" either - even though a nobel winner can die in a car wreck, ceasing his "intelligent" genes from the "pool" - or JoeBob who kills a doctor for his oxy fix, etc doesn't count? That's sort of short sighted.

Vicitims of a serial killer would be nothing more than prey. It happens all the time in nature, and if you are to embrace the animal side of "man" - survival would be the greatest competition.

[yavoon]

So murder in the name of competition is the only valid way to explain darwinism?

So then guns and cars don't equate to f'ning up "survivial" either - even though a nobel winner can die in a car wreck, ceasing his "intelligent" genes from the "pool" - or JoeBob who kills a doctor for his oxy fix, etc doesn't count? That's sort of short sighted.

Vicitims of a serial killer would be nothing more than prey. It happens all the time in nature, and if you are to embrace the animal side of "man" - survival would be the greatest competition.

first of all darwinism doesn't work on ridiculously anecdotal examples like yours. so I fail to see how your post is relevant, or in any way intelligent, sorry.

and second, I dont know why my post has to be interpreted as "the only valid way" to do anything. thats absurdist strawman bull****. if you don't like the fact that smart ppl kill dumb ppl, pretty consistantly throughout human history, even going back hundreds of thousands of years then well, tough. and no I don't mean smart in some esoteric touchy feely way. I mean smart like napoleon had access to canned food and conquered most of europe, or the first man to figure out to put his rock on the end of a stick and hit someone else w/ it.

[yavoon]

Not necessarily. Neanderthals actually had a larger brain than modern humans.
One theory is that Neanderthals simply had a lower birthrate than humans
and so humans outbred them, sort of like how Muslims in Europe have
a higher birthrate than Christians are so are displacing them.

I hear whale brains are ginormous too. but that is an interesting theory.

[alkemical]

first of all darwinism doesn't work on ridiculously anecdotal examples like yours. so I fail to see how your post is relevant, or in any way intelligent, sorry.

and second, I dont know why my post has to be interpreted as "the only valid way" to do anything. thats absurdist strawman bull****. if you don't like the fact that smart ppl kill dumb ppl, pretty consistantly throughout human history, even going back hundreds of thousands of years then well, tough. and no I don't mean smart in some esoteric touchy feely way. I mean smart like napoleon had access to canned food and conquered most of europe, or the first man to figure out to put his rock on the end of a stick and hit someone else w/ it.

duuude - dumb people kill smart people all the time. You are the moron who stated "competition" was the stipulation. Don't get your panties in a wad because you stepped in your own ****. How else am I, or anyone else going to really interpert it when you lay out a stipulation like that.

Guns and vehicles are good indications of dumb people equaling smart people. Unless you are saying that anyone who kills anyone else is 'smarter'.

[Bronco Bob]

duuude - dumb people kill smart people all the time. You are the moron who stated "competition" was the stipulation. Don't get your panties in a wad because you stepped in your own ****. How else am I, or anyone else going to really interpert it when you lay out a stipulation like that.

Guns and vehicles are good indications of dumb people equaling smart people. Unless you are saying that anyone who kills anyone else is 'smarter'.

You're just trying to find exceptions to the rule. In a battle which army wins?
The army with the better tactics, ie the smarter army. Were the
conquistadors smarter than the native people? Maybe not on a person
to person basis but overall they used smarter warfare tactics so that
in one battle against the Incas about 168 conquistadors were able to
defeat an army of 3,000 Incas merely by superior battlefield tactics.
That's what yavoon is saying by the smarter people kill off the less
intelligent people.

[Bronco Bob]

I hear whale brains are ginormous too. but that is an interesting theory.

Well, whales are ginormous(sic) in body size too. But as a ratio of body
size to brain size, the Neanderthals had a larger brain than modern humans.

[Spider]

Don't let anyone fool you, women can 100 time meaner then men. There is a reason that certain tribe turned captives over to women.

this I can attest to ..........Hell have no fury like a woman scorned .......... could you picture the all out war with Russia if the russian first lady wore the same outfit Hillary wore ?

[alkemical]

You're just trying to find exceptions to the rule. In a battle which army wins?
The army with the better tactics, ie the smarter army. Were the
conquistadors smarter than the native people? Maybe not on a person
to person basis but overall they used smarter warfare tactics so that
in one battle against the Incas about 168 conquistadors were able to
defeat an army of 3,000 Incas merely by superior battlefield tactics.
That's what yavoon is saying by the smarter people kill off the less
intelligent people.


only if you are talking about *war* - i was looking at the whole picture. Sorry i don't have tunnel vision.

[yavoon]

duuude - dumb people kill smart people all the time. You are the moron who stated "competition" was the stipulation. Don't get your panties in a wad because you stepped in your own ****. How else am I, or anyone else going to really interpert it when you lay out a stipulation like that.

Guns and vehicles are good indications of dumb people equaling smart people. Unless you are saying that anyone who kills anyone else is 'smarter'.

who invented guns? dumb ppl?

you're obviously too stupid for this conversation. you can go away now.

[yavoon]

only if you are talking about *war* - i was looking at the whole picture. Sorry i don't have tunnel vision.

bull**** clav. u just gave ur retardo example above of "guns letting dumb ppl kill." which btw happens in war. no backing around ur idiocy now. if u ever feel like joining the conversation on an interesting and non-idiotically antogonist level u can come back.

[alkemical]

who invented guns? dumb ppl?

you're obviously too stupid for this conversation. you can go away now.

BWHAHAHAHAHA! I'm sorry, i didn't realize only smart people used guns.

[alkemical]

bull**** clav. u just gave ur retardo example above of "guns letting dumb ppl kill." which btw happens in war. no backing around ur idiocy now. if u ever feel like joining the conversation on an interesting and non-idiotically antogonist level u can come back.

**** you too. I'm sorry that i broke your example and now you are on the rag.

[yavoon]

**** you too. I'm sorry that i broke your example and now you are on the rag.

I'm on the rag because ur being retardo boy in this thread w/ unnecessarily stupid anecdotal examples. if u pretended u had intelligence and thought about what was being said instead of going "omg what about serial killers" then the conversation could be more fruitful.

but alas, it isn't. so there u have it.

[alkemical]

I'm on the rag because ur being retardo boy in this thread w/ unnecessarily stupid anecdotal examples. if u pretended u had intelligence and thought about what was being said instead of going "omg what about serial killers" then the conversation could be more fruitful.

but alas, it isn't. so there u have it.

Well if you wouldn't be a moron and make dumb comments like:

"Only smart people use guns to kill people" - you wouldn't look like such a retard.