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Bronco_Beerslug
09-07-2007, 06:27 PM
Doesn't sound like he died yet to me.

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Bin Laden urges Americans to convert (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070907/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_video_30;_ylt=AlRWKhGhv7CL7oVT9GycFJAE1v AI)

By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden appeared for the first time in three years in a videotape Friday released ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, telling Americans they should convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end.

ABC News obtained a transcript of the videotape, which it said was 30 minutes long and appeared to have been recently made, since bin Laden refers to the Democratic congressional victory and to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who was elected in May.

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A video grab from an undated footage from the Internet shows Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden making statements from an unknown location. An Islamist Web site said on Friday it would "soon" carry a new video of bin Laden to mark the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on U.S. cities. REUTERS/REUTERS TV


In a short excerpt broadcast by Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden sits as he talks, wearing a white robe and turban and beige cloak. His trimmed beard is shorter than in his last video, in 2004, and is fully black — apparently dyed, since in past videos it was mostly gray.

Bin Laden makes no overt threats and does not directly call for attacks, according to the transcript posted on ABC's Web site.

Instead, he addresses Americans, lecturing them on the failures of their leaders to stop the war in Iraq despite growing public opposition in the U.S.

"There are two solutions to stopping it. One is from our side, and it is to escalate the fighting and killing against you. This is our duty, and our brothers are carrying it out," bin Laden said.

"The second solution is from your side," he said. "I invite you to embrace Islam."

"It will also achieve your desire to stop the war as a consequence, because as soon as the warmongering owners of the major corporations realize that you have lost confidence in your democratic system and have begun to look for an alternative, and this alternative is Islam, they will run after you to please you and achieve what you want to steer you away from Islam," he said.

The al-Qaida leader had not appeared in new video footage since October 2004, and he had not put out an audiotape for more than a year, his longest period without a message.

The transcript also mentions the political activist and author Noam Chomsky, global warming, and refers to the Aug. 6 anniversary of the World War 2 bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

In Washington, an official said the U.S. government recently obtained a copy of the video and several intelligence agencies were studying it. The official agreed to discuss the matter only if not quoted by name.

The Homeland Security Department said Friday it had no credible information warning of an imminent threat to the United States, and analysts noted that al-Qaida tends to mark the Sept. 11 anniversary with a slew of messages.

White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto declined to comment on the video until it had been fully analyzed, except to say it was a reminder of the continuing terrorist threat.

"This is why we need to be more vigilant and more persistent in our pursuit of terrorists," Fratto said. "We will continue to pursue them. And it reminds us that we need to be certain that our intelligence professionals have all the tools they need to continue to disrupt their activities."

The government was looking at bin Laden's physical characteristics — in part, for clues about his health after unconfirmed rumors earlier this year that he had died of kidney disease.

Soon after word emerged that the United States had the video, Islamic militant Web sites that usually carry statements from al-Qaida went down and were inaccessible. The reason for the shutdown was not immediately known.

Evan H. Kohlmann, a terrorism expert at globalterroralert.com, said he suspected it was the work of al-Qaida itself, trying to find how the video leaked to U.S. officials.

"For them this is totally disruptive that the U.S. government could have a copy before their targeted audience does," he said. "They could be concerned and trying to plug the leak quickly."

Bin Laden's beard appears to have been dyed, a popular practice among Arab leaders, said Rita Katz, director of the SITE Institute, a Washington-based group that monitors terror messages.

Katz said al-Qaida has consistently marked the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attack as one of its biggest successes.

In 2003, a videotape of bin Laden was released the day before the anniversary, and last year al-Qaida released a documentary describing the planning of the attacks.

Videotapes of bin Laden are the group's most powerful propaganda tools, and they use them sparingly, Katz said.

Over the last few years, al-Qaida leaders appear to have gotten better at distributing their missives. They are using subtitles and different languages and using the Internet to distribute them, rather than depending on a particular television station or network.

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-07-2007, 08:26 PM
America to Bin Laden: (If I can speak for everybody)

"Convert this, you piece of sh*t!"

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-07-2007, 08:28 PM
Doesn't sound like he died yet to me.


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theAPAOps5
09-07-2007, 09:19 PM
Jesus that man has lost sight of the real threat.

Bronco_Beerslug
09-07-2007, 09:53 PM
http://www.izzyguaal.com/ws/pol/bin/2faces/2faces_thmb.jpg

How could anyone vote for an imbecile like this after he says something like that?

Rohirrim
09-07-2007, 10:24 PM
I think Bin Laden should audition for American Idol.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-07-2007, 10:28 PM
I think Bin Laden should audition for American Idol.

I was thinking MTV's "The Real World."

The camera crew could set up in his cave complex and follow his daily routine.

SoCalBronco
09-07-2007, 11:09 PM
America to Bin Laden: (If I can speak for everybody)

"Convert this, you piece of sh*t!"

:thumbsup:

baja
09-08-2007, 01:25 AM
How could anyone vote for an imbecile like this after he says something like that?

That's what I have never understood.

TailgateNut
09-08-2007, 04:59 AM
Of course it's real. He's not an important target for BushCo because he's not sitting on a barrel of oil. He just the one who masterminded the 9/11 attack, which Bush used as an excuse to invade a country which had nothing to do with the attack on our nation!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-08-2007, 05:19 AM
Of course it's real. He's not an important target for BushCo because he's not sitting on a barrel of oil. He just the one who masterminded the 9/11 attack, which Bush used as an excuse to invade a country which had nothing to do with the attack on our nation!

I can't help but marvel at the "coincidental" timing of every new Bin Laden video that comes down the pike.

Bush is in political trouble, and, voila, a new message from OBL - a message which Bush subsequently seizes upon to validate his mid-east policy and/or the "war on terror" - suddenly materializes.

Convenient, I tell ya!

baja
09-08-2007, 09:09 AM
Of course it's real. He's not an important target for BushCo because he's not sitting on a barrel of oil. He just the one who masterminded the 9/11 attack, which Bush used as an excuse to invade a country which had nothing to do with the attack on our nation!

The last thing the Bush folks want is to kill the boogy man,if he were dead the citizens might feel safe and that would not do at all.

Bronco Bob
09-08-2007, 11:54 AM
I can't help but marvel at the "coincidental" timing of every new Bin Laden video that comes down the pike.

Bush is in political trouble, and, voila, a new message from OBL - a message which Bush subsequently seizes upon to validate his mid-east policy and/or the "war on terror" - suddenly materializes.

Convenient, I tell ya!

And just days before the anniversary of 9/11. Don't forget that.

Rohirrim
09-08-2007, 12:41 PM
I can't help but marvel at the "coincidental" timing of every new Bin Laden video that comes down the pike.

Bush is in political trouble, and, voila, a new message from OBL - a message which Bush subsequently seizes upon to validate his mid-east policy and/or the "war on terror" - suddenly materializes.

Convenient, I tell ya!

I don't think this video works to Bushy Boy's advantage. It's been too long now. People are starting to wonder why Osama bin POS is still alive. Here we are, mired in Iraq, and the POS is still taunting us. Bush's War on Terror is looking about as effective as the War on Drugs; Just one more useless government program that sucks money out of taxpayers, funnels it into private industry pockets, and creates no results.

alkemical
09-08-2007, 01:34 PM
Hey i saw Elvis sing with celine dion too!

peacepipe
09-08-2007, 01:59 PM
I can't help but marvel at the "coincidental" timing of every new Bin Laden video that comes down the pike.

Bush is in political trouble, and, voila, a new message from OBL - a message which Bush subsequently seizes upon to validate his mid-east policy and/or the "war on terror" - suddenly materializes.

Convenient, I tell ya!
That's GWBS for ya! If he had any credibility it might actually work. He has cried wolf far too many times.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-08-2007, 08:20 PM
I don't think this video works to Bushy Boy's advantage. It's been too long now. People are starting to wonder why Osama bin POS is still alive. Here we are, mired in Iraq, and the POS is still taunting us. Bush's War on Terror is looking about as effective as the War on Drugs; Just one more useless government program that sucks money out of taxpayers, funnels it into private industry pockets, and creates no results.

I think we're both right.

Those who are awake or in the processes of awakening can detect bullsh*t, but there are still a good many sheeple who will be frightened by Bush's boogeyman no matter what.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-09-2007, 09:54 AM
Just one more useless government program that sucks money out of taxpayers, funnels it into private industry pockets, and creates no results.

That just about sums up the Bush administration in a nutshell, huh?

Spider
09-09-2007, 11:29 AM
America to Bin Laden: (If I can speak for everybody)

"Convert this, you piece of sh*t!"

well said Brother .......... I wanted to choke the living **** out of that bastard , just listening to the audio clips of his punk ass ...........

Rohirrim
09-09-2007, 11:37 AM
well said Brother .......... I wanted to choke the living **** out of that bastard , just listening to the audio clips of his punk ass ...........

This is another thing where the U.S. government is on a completely different page from the people. The people remember this:

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Our government does not. Bin Laden must die. I don't know what it takes to get that through these pissants' heads. I couldn't give two ****s about Iraq, but I want Bin Ladin to suffer and die. And all his wives. And all his ****ing children.

Spider
09-09-2007, 11:44 AM
This is another thing where the U.S. government is on a completely different page from the people. The people remember this:

http://blogmeisterusa.mu.nu/archives/fall.jpg

Our government does not. Bin Laden must die. I don't know what it takes to get that through these pissants' heads. I couldn't give two ****s about Iraq, but I want Bin Ladin to suffer and die. And all his wives. And all his ****ing children.

right ****ing on , I am still as pissed today as I was on 9-12-01 .........alot of my hatred for Bush is over him giving Bin Ladin a free pass .......

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-09-2007, 07:22 PM
........alot of my hatred for Bush is over him giving Bin Ladin a free pass .......

...and the fact that he has continued to use Bin Laden when it's politically expedient or convenient in advancing his agenda.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2007, 04:44 AM
And just days before the anniversary of 9/11. Don't forget that.

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Bush-Bin Laden Symbiosis Reborn

By Robert Parry

Just as Sylvester and Tweety Bird achieved lasting Hollywood fame from their comical cartoon chases, the less amusing duo of George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden continue to benefit each other by reviving their long-distance rivalry, one posturing against the other in a way that helps them both.

In a new video, al-Qaeda leader bin Laden again taunts Bush, the United States – and then the Democrats for not forcing an American withdrawal from Iraq, which should help guarantee that the Democrats won’t dare press for a withdrawal from Iraq.

At a summit of Pacific Rim leaders in Sydney, Australia, President Bush then did his part, highlighting bin Laden’s Iraq comments:

“I found it interested that on the tape Iraq was mentioned, which is a reminder that Iraq is part of the war against extremists. If al-Qaeda bothers to mention Iraq, it’s because they want to achieve their objectives in Iraq, which is to drive us out.”

Except that U.S. intelligence has long concluded that al-Qaeda really wants the opposite: to bog the United States down in a hopeless, bloody war in Iraq that has been a boon for recruiting young jihadists, raising money and protecting al-Qaeda’s leadership holed up in base camps inside Pakistan.

Bin Laden continues to play the role of another cartoon character, Walt Disney’s Brer Rabbit, who escaped one famously tight spot by begging not to be thrown into the briar patch when that was exactly where he wanted to go. [For more details on this Bush-bin Laden symbiosis, see Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush.]

Cole Attack

At least since the attack on the USS Cole in October 2000, al-Qaeda’s strategy has been to draw the United States militarily into the Middle East as a way both to enhance al-Qaeda’s status in the Muslim world and to weaken the Americans by draining their resources and damaging their army.

However, the Clinton administration couldn't verify that al-Qaeda was behind the Cole attack until January 2001 and then turned over the evidence to the incoming Bush team, which didn’t act because it had other priorities.

By summer 2001, U.S. intelligence was picking up chatter indicating that al-Qaeda was disappointed by the lack of a response to the Cole provocation but was confident that the next blow would force Washington’s hand.

That next attack on Sept. 11, 2001, did compel an American military reaction, but al-Qaeda may have miscalculated as an effective U.S. counter-attack ousted al-Qaeda’s Taliban allies in Afghanistan and cornered bin Laden and other top leaders at Tora Bora.

At that crucial point, however, Bush failed to dispatch sufficient U.S. troops to seal off bin Laden’s escape routes, allowing many of al-Qaeda’s top leaders to flee into the rugged tribal region of Pakistan.

To al-Qaeda’s relief and amazement, Bush also began diverting key U.S. military resources away from Afghanistan toward Iraq, whose secular Sunni leader Saddam Hussein was an enemy of al-Qaeda’s Sunni fundamentalists.

Bush’s invasion of Iraq not only eliminated a key Sunni rival in Hussein but rallied thousands of angry Muslims to al-Qaeda’s banner. Soon, al-Qaeda even had an affiliate in Iraq led by Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

As al-Qaeda gained strength in the Islamic world, bin Laden came to see Bush as something of a strategic ally. When Bush found himself in a tight battle with Democratic Sen. John Kerry, bin Laden issued a videotape denouncing Bush on the Friday before Election 2004.

The tape had the predictable effect of giving Bush a last-minute boost in the polls, which CIA analysts concluded was precisely bin Laden’s intent. Bin Laden wanted to keep Bush around as a foil for another four years. [See Neck Deep for details.]

Prolonged War

Also, contrary to Bush’s repeated assertions that al-Qaeda wants U.S. troops to leave Iraq so it can establish a safe haven there, the terrorist group’s internal messages, which have been intercepted by U.S. intelligence, reveal that al-Qaeda fears most the impact of a sudden American withdrawal.

A July 9, 2005, letter attributed to al-Qaeda’s second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri warned that a rapid U.S. pullout could cause al-Qaeda’s new recruits, who traveled to Iraq to wage war on the Americans, to simply give up the fight and go home.

“The mujahedeen must not have their mission end with the expulsion of the Americans from Iraq, and then lay down their weapons, and silence the fighting zeal,” wrote Zawahiri, who worried that a premature departure of the Americans also might leave the depleted ranks of al-Qaeda foreign fighters at the mercy of angry Iraqis.

Another internal communiqué revealed that al-Qaeda’s real wish was for the United States to stay in Iraq indefinitely, so the terrorist group could continue recruiting and training young jihadists while buying time to overcome the hostility of Iraqis toward outsiders.

In a letter to Zarqawi, dated Dec. 11, 2005, “Atiyah,” another top aide to bin Laden, described the hard work needed to overcome the animosity of Sunni tribal leaders. In that context, Atiyah said the continued American presence was crucial.

“Prolonging the war is in our interest,” Atiyah wrote in a letter captured when Zarqawi was killed in June 2006. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “Al-Qaeda’s Fragile Foothold.”]

So, the interests of President Bush and Osama bin Laden continue to dovetail perfectly. The open-ended “war on terror” has allowed Bush to consolidate previously unimaginable powers for a U.S. chief executive. Simultaneously, bin Laden has emerged as a hero to many Muslims offended by the American occupation of Arab lands.

Now, as Bush faces another Democratic challenge to his plans for continuing the Iraq War, bin Laden shows up again, essentially berating the Democrats for not forcing U.S. troop withdrawals.

“The vast majority of you [Americans] want it [the Iraq War] stopped,” bin Laden said. “Thus you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning.”

That means if the Democrats do renew their efforts toward forcing American troop withdrawals, Bush and his supporters can simply accuse the Democrats of following bin Laden’s orders or playing into bin Laden’s hands.

The reality may be the opposite, but a few Republican floor speeches and a couple of well-placed op-eds should be enough to spook the already nervous Democrats.

Fox News commentator Sean Hannity offered a taste of how the new bin Laden tape will be used against both Democrats and the American Left.

“One of the things that also struck me is the language specifically that he [bin Laden] used,” Hannity said. “He seemed to adopt the very same language that is being used by the hard Left in this country, as he describes what’s going on in Iraq as a ‘civil war’; he actually used the word ‘neocons’; he talked about global warming; he denounces capitalism and corporations.”

In other words, any similarity in language between bin Laden and what many Americans say in common conversations will be used to discredit them. They will become bin Laden’s fellow travelers.

All the better to get Bush and bin Laden what they both really want: a prolonged war in Iraq – and possibly a U.S. attack on the Shiite government of Iran.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/

About author Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.' Robert Parry's web site is Consortium News