11 Arrested in N.J. Corruption Inquiry

[W*GS]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/07/nyregion/06corruptCND.html?ref=nyregion

Wait a sec - I thought Democrats were above reproach?!?

Ro? BB? LABF? Rigs11? gunns? Spider? Any comment?

[Bronco Bob]

Must be part of the vast right wing conspiracy out to get Democrats.

[W*GS]

Probably - it was in the NYT, so that speaks volumes...

[Bronco Bob]

New York Times.
Wasn't that one of the newspapers Al Gore is now blaming for sinking his
2000 presidential campaign by spreading lies about him?

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/10/gore200710

[Bronco_Beerslug]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/07/nyregion/06corruptCND.html?ref=nyregion

Wait a sec - I thought Democrats were above reproach?!?
Ro? BB? LABF? Rigs11? gunns? Spider? Any comment?Why would you think that or is that suppose to be tongue in cheek or something? Greed's criminals come in all flavors, just more seem to be Republicans when it comes to public officials.

[W*GS]

Why would you think that or is that suppose to be tongue in cheek or something?

We've been assured time and again that Democrats aren't scum like the Republicans are. Perhaps that was mere partisan hyperbole? Help me figure it out!

Greed's criminals come in all flavors, just more seem to be Republicans when it comes to public officials.

Perhaps the NJ Democrats are just following in the footsteps of those pioneering Republicans.

[peacepipe]

We've been assured time and again that Democrats aren't scum like the Republicans are. Perhaps that was mere partisan hyperbole? Help me figure it out!
There is dem scum out there just our scum is heterosexual. Besides dems are not the ones out there, proclaiming "we are the party of morals & family values", so when we get busted we don't look like hypocites(sp).

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There is dem scum out there just our scum is heterosexual. Besides dems are not the ones out there, proclaiming "we are the party of morals & family values", so when we get busted we don't look like hypocites(sp).It's Republicans who laid claim to that crap long ago (see their religious agenda).
We've been assured time and again that Democrats aren't scum like the Republicans are. Perhaps that was mere partisan hyperbole? Help me figure it out!
Perhaps the NJ Democrats are just following in the footsteps of those pioneering Republicans.So out of all the people mentioned in that article who are the Democrats and who are the Republicans?

And I don't think I ever remember anyone assuring anyone that Democrats aren't scum like Republicans. I think the debate was/is their are many more Republican scum than Democrat scum (public office holders).
Hard to argue against that.

[defenseman]

Plenty of scumbags in both parties, why try to keep count. At this point, a whole lot of folks have lost faith in both sides of the aisle and they need their collective tails whacked but good...dman

[alkemical]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/07/nyregion/06corruptCND.html?ref=nyregion

Wait a sec - I thought Democrats were above reproach?!?

Ro? BB? LABF? Rigs11? gunns? Spider? Any comment?

lol take it to the bathroom! haha!

[broncocalijohn]

So, our team has less scum then your team. Ok, I guess that is positive points? I am sure we can come up with a nice list of corrupt politicians and what party they fall onto. Just remember when Duke Cunningham got nailed, Kerry wanted a bill against politicians like Duke named the "Duke Cunningham Bill" even though there were approx. 5 Dems before him that were found to be "corrupt" and resigned/arrested and kerry didnt do anything much on those 5. It isnt who and how many. It is what is done inside the party that bothers me. Corrupt is corrupt either by payola or people like Craig who is morally corrupt. Personally, I dont like either even if they are Republicans.

[W*GS]

There is dem scum out there just our scum is heterosexual.

Is Barney Frank a scumbag?

Besides dems are not the ones out there, proclaiming "we are the party of morals & family values", so when we get busted we don't look like hypocites(sp).

I get it - the Democrats don't subscribe to any values, therefore, when they're scum, we should just expect it. Thanks for the information!

[W*GS]

So out of all the people mentioned in that article who are the Democrats and who are the Republicans?

Of those whose party affiliation is mentioned, all are Democrats:

As part of the sweep this morning, federal agents arrested Mayor Samuel Rivera of Passaic; Assemblyman Mims Hackett Jr., a prominent Democrat who is also the mayor of Orange; and Assemblyman Alfred E. Steele, a Democrat from Paterson who is also the Passaic County Undersheriff.

Federal agents also arrested five current or former Pleasantville school board members, two Passaic city council members and the chief of staff to the president of the Newark City Council, prosecutors said.

I think the debate was/is their are many more Republican scum than Democrat scum (public office holders). Hard to argue against that.

Well, of course there's more Republican scum - they pretend to be moral, so when they get caught, they're hypocrites. At least Democrats make no pretension to morality, so we should just expect them to be scum. Right?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Of those whose party affiliation is mentioned, all are Democrats: So two out of about a dozen mentioned were Democrats?

Well, of course there's more Republican scum - they pretend to be moral, so when they get caught, they're hypocrites. At least Democrats make no pretension to morality, so we should just expect them to be scum. Right?Why, because they don't pretend to be the voice of morality? Getting caught is getting caught, no matter what flavor you are, as I already stated, and I wouldn't want to argue numbers on the Republican side.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Plenty of scumbags in both parties, why try to keep count. At this point, a whole lot of folks have lost faith in both sides of the aisle and they need their collective tails whacked but good...dman

No joke.

This board is full of partisans (especially on the dem side of the aisle), so I wouldnt expect much but a bunch of deflecting and "I know you are but what am I?" types of insults crowned by anti-Bush cartoons and Bush-hate high-fives.

Isnt that the progression of nearly every thread to pass through this forum?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And I don't think I ever remember anyone assuring anyone that Democrats aren't scum like Republicans. I think the debate was/is their are many more Republican scum than Democrat scum (public office holders). Hard to argue against that.

Bingo.

For some reason, W*GS and his fellow right-wing extremists don't seem to understand this distinction.

So two out of about a dozen mentioned were Democrats?

And you can count on W*GS to focus on those two dems with laser beam intensity while totally ignoring the two dozen republicans on the list.

http://www.bartcop.com/think-not.jpg

[W*GS]

For some reason, W*GS and his fellow right-wing extremists don't seem to understand this distinction.

How would you determine which party is home to more scumbags? What's the mapping between (say) Larry Craig and Robert Byrd? Or Duke Cunningham and Jim Wright?

And you can count on W*GS to focus on those two dems with laser beam intensity while totally ignoring the two dozen republicans on the list.

The total list as reported was 11; 2 were identified as Democrats - however, this is NJ, so most of the rest probably are. In any case, there aren't "two dozen".

You must have learned math in a teacher's union-controlled public school.

BTW, how's the job fluffing Chavez going? Is it bitter yet?

[alkemical]

How would you determine which party is home to more scumbags? What's the mapping between (say) Larry Craig and Robert Byrd? Or Duke Cunningham and Jim Wright?



The total list as reported was 11; 2 were identified as Democrats - however, this is NJ, so most of the rest probably are. In any case, there aren't "two dozen".

You must have learned math in a teacher's union-controlled public school.

BTW, how's the job fluffing Chavez going? Is it bitter yet?


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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

lol take it to the bathroom! haha!

Ha! :D

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ha! :D

Dude, I got my TopHat in this week. Very nice.

Having gone boutique, it will be hard to go back. I am still interested in picking up an AC30 though.

[W*GS]

Actually, of the 11, 10 are Democrats. The lone Republican is Jonathan Soto.

[Bronco Bob]

Actually, of the 11, 10 are Democrats. The lone Republican is Jonathan Soto.

Why did I know there would be a Republican mixed up in there somewhere?
So much for the party that was going to bring ethics and integrity to politics.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Dude, I got my TopHat in this week. Very nice.

Having gone boutique, it will be hard to go back. I am still interested in picking up an AC30 though.

Sweet! :thumbsup:

Is it all you thought it would be?

[W*GS]

So much for the party that was going to bring ethics and integrity to politics.

Whereas Democrats have never promised either, so it's no big deal, eh?

[alkemical]

Whereas Democrats have never promised either, so it's no big deal, eh?

well, if you never tell the truth you can argue you have never lied...

[Bronco Bob]

Whereas Democrats have never promised either, so it's no big deal, eh?

Which just goes to show, don't make promises that you can't keep.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sweet! :thumbsup:

Is it all you thought it would be?

It's a great amp. We're in the studio right now and I couldnt have picked anything more appropriate next the the Matchless DC30.

It's nice having an amp that articulates every inflection of tone and that is as versatile as it is. It has a matched set of a greenback and a weber blue dog running 20 watts. Its a beautiful amp.

I am not sure if its going to be loud enough for me though. The other players are loud in a live setting. I'm not sure if mic'ing it would give me the presence that I want.

The tone is immaculate though. Smooth and rotund and breaks up just right when you dial it in right on the edge and dig in.

Beautiful machine.

[alkemical]

if it's mic'd you should be able to run it through a mixer and match the levels for everyone to sound even.

[epicSocialism4tw]

if it's mic'd you should be able to run it through a mixer and match the levels for everyone to sound even.

It's been 10 years since I've performed on a stage, and I am out of practice in that regard...Will the amp still have the same resonance and presence in the mix? Will I lose tone?

My partner has a 120wt Orange head and our drummer smacks the skins pretty hard. We're loud.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's a great amp. We're in the studio right now and I couldnt have picked anything more appropriate next the the Matchless DC30.

It's nice having an amp that articulates every inflection of tone and that is as versatile as it is. It has a matched set of a greenback and a weber blue dog running 20 watts. Its a beautiful amp.

I am not sure if its going to be loud enough for me though. The other players are loud in a live setting. I'm not sure if mic'ing it would give me the presence that I want.

The tone is immaculate though. Smooth and rotund and breaks up just right when you dial it in right on the edge and dig in.

Beautiful machine.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2582/excellent4rq.jpg

If you mic the amp you should be able to set your stage level wherever you want it - as long as there's a decent monitor setup (and someone who knows how to run it) that allows you to hear yourself clearly in the mix.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

if it's mic'd you should be able to run it through a mixer and match the levels for everyone to sound even.

Yep - provided there's a good PA and monitor setup (in-ear systems are the sh*t when you get them) and a capable sound person doing the mixing.

This summer I played a string of outdoor concerts using a THD Bi-Valve 30 watt head (single-ended Class A amp) exclusively. I wanted to travel light, i.e., only have to worry about bringing a head and a small pedal board, and use the backline cab on the date.

The other guitar player was using the backline amp on almost every date (usually a 100 watt Marshall or a Fender Twin) and I was still plenty large in the mix (credit the sound guy.)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's been 10 years since I've performed on a stage, and I am out of practice in that regardYou drama queen here almost every day so get rid of that excuse.

[Spider]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/07/nyregion/06corruptCND.html?ref=nyregion

Wait a sec - I thought Democrats were above reproach?!?

Ro? BB? LABF? Rigs11? gunns? Spider? Any comment?

Desperate times call for desperate measures hey ......
ok I will play along , as long as we are not in a mens bathroom ..........
here is the deal ..... I am glad they got caught , dont really need that`kind of person in office ............ See W*GS this is the difference , see where as you and your buddies on the right defend people doing this behavior , or bring up people of the other party doing the same thing (aka deflecting), I wont .......... they broke the law , they deserve what they get ..........

[alkemical]

It's been 10 years since I've performed on a stage, and I am out of practice in that regard...Will the amp still have the same resonance and presence in the mix? Will I lose tone?

My partner has a 120wt Orange head and our drummer smacks the skins pretty hard. We're loud.

As LABF's post above points out - if you got a good sound man it will match up fine.

[Rohirrim]

I see that NJ is still upholding its rep. ;D

[W*GS]

See W*GS this is the difference , see where as you and your buddies on the right defend people doing this behavior

Show me where I've defended such scummery. Please. Just one instance.

Or else you're a liar.

or bring up people of the other party doing the same thing (aka deflecting), I wont .......... they broke the law , they deserve what they get ..........

I get it, now.

Spider romps all over Republicans doing bad thing X, and he's just being a Good Citizen.

W*GS romps all over Democrats doing bad thing X, and he's just being a GOP stooge, or deflecting, or excuse-making, or whatever.

Do I understand your utter lack of principles? I think so. Quite well.

[W*GS]

I see that NJ is still upholding its rep. ;D

Yep. Nothing like Democrat-controlled urban politics to get one's fill of graft and corruption. It's a tradition!

[alkemical]

Yep. Nothing like Democrat-controlled urban politics to get one's fill of graft and corruption. It's a tradition!

So then abusing children and gay sex are republican tradtions? I mean the boystown incident should be enough to make that a fact.

[Rohirrim]

So then abusing children and gay sex are republican tradtions? I mean the boystown incident should be enough to make that a fact.

In Wiggy World, if Exxon Mobil funds the campaign of Bush/Cheney and their corporate executives are then invited by Bush/Cheney to write the country's energy policy (in secret), thereby dumping billions of dollars into their pockets (and one presumes, the Bush/Cheney post term in office pockets), why, that's exactly equal to some alderman taking a bribe in some NJ township. See? It's Wiggy World. Do me a favor a don't quote him anymore. His deflection neuroses requires treatment, not encouragement. ;D

[alkemical]

In Wiggy World, if Exxon Mobil funds the campaign of Bush/Cheney and their corporate executives are then invited by Bush/Cheney to write the country's energy policy (in secret), thereby dumping billions of dollars into their pockets (and one presumes, the Bush/Cheney post term in office pockets), why, that's exactly equal to some alderman taking a bribe in some NJ township. See? It's Wiggy World. Do me a favor a don't quote him anymore. His deflection neuroses requires treatment, not encouragement. ;D

well it's obvious that corporate america is needed to write the policies. Not for profit, but for their own good heartedness to help us peons manage the resources.

[Rohirrim]

well it's obvious that corporate america is needed to write the policies. Not for profit, but for their own good heartedness to help us peons manage the resources.

I feel better knowing that oil companies wrote our energy policy, chemical companies have written our clean water policy, power companies have written our clean air policy, lumber companies have written our forestry policy and pharmas have written our national drug policy (thank God we are protected from those poisonous Canadian drugs!). After all, who knows better than them?

[W*GS]

Who's doing the deflecting?

Not me!

[Spider]

Show me where I've defended such scummery. Please. Just one instance.

Or else you're a liar.



I get it, now.

Spider romps all over Republicans doing bad thing X, and he's just being a Good Citizen.

W*GS romps all over Democrats doing bad thing X, and he's just being a GOP stooge, or deflecting, or excuse-making, or whatever.

Do I understand your utter lack of principles? I think so. Quite well.

you defend by deflecting W*GS , you try to wordsmith everything , spin even when you are caught redhanded ... but in any case , I didnt deflect , I stated these guys should be punished , I didnt bring in any GOPEr , Abramhoff etc .....
you really should read before commenting ....... I thought they would have covered that in the junior college you went to

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

In Wiggy World, if Exxon Mobil funds the campaign of Bush/Cheney and their corporate executives are then invited by Bush/Cheney to write the country's energy policy (in secret), thereby dumping billions of dollars into their pockets (and one presumes, the Bush/Cheney post term in office pockets), why, that's exactly equal to some alderman taking a bribe in some NJ township. See? It's Wiggy World. Do me a favor a don't quote him anymore. His deflection neuroses requires treatment, not encouragement. ;D

+1 :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

you defend by deflecting W*GS , you try to wordsmith everything , spin even when you are caught redhanded ...

:yep:

Even when everyone is wise to his SOP, he persists.

Something about the definition of insanity...? :crazy:

[W*GS]

you defend by deflecting W*GS , you try to wordsmith everything , spin even when you are caught redhanded ... but in any case , I didnt deflect , I stated these guys should be punished , I didnt bring in any GOPEr , Abramhoff etc .....

Who's deflecting?

Oh, and give me an example of spin on my part.

And you still need to come up with proof that I defend this sort of behavior. You said I did, so you need to find such an occurrence.

[Spider]

:yep:

Even when everyone is wise to his SOP, he persists.

Something about the definition of insanity...? :crazy:

;D worst part is , He knows it also .. ......

[alkemical]

Who's deflecting?

Oh, and give me an example of spin on my part.

And you still need to come up with proof that I defend this sort of behavior. You said I did, so you need to find such an occurrence.

Do you like Annabelle Bowlen's breasts Wags?

[W*GS]

Not a big fan of fake body parts...

[alkemical]

Not a big fan of fake body parts...

*passing on the clinton jokes*