Congress Not Told of Intelligence Showing no WMD in Iraq

[Bronco_Beerslug]

For some people I guess it isn't a lie if you don't say anything.

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Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction (http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/)

Salon exclusive: Two former CIA officers say the president squelched top-secret intelligence, and a briefing by George Tenet, months before invading Iraq.

By Sidney Blumenthal

Sept. 6, 2007 | On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam's inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

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Photos: AP/Wide World
(Clockwise from top left) Naji Sabri, George W. Bush, Colin Powell and George Tenet

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.

On April 23, 2006, CBS's "60 Minutes" interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. "We continued to validate him the whole way through," said Drumheller. "The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy."

Now two former senior CIA officers have confirmed Drumheller's account to me and provided the background to the story of how the information that might have stopped the invasion of Iraq was twisted in order to justify it. They described what Tenet said to Bush about the lack of WMD, and how Bush responded, and noted that Tenet never shared Sabri's intelligence with then Secretary of State Colin Powell. According to the former officers, the intelligence was also never shared with the senior military planning the invasion, which required U.S. soldiers to receive medical shots against the ill effects of WMD and to wear protective uniforms in the desert.

Instead, said the former officials, the information was distorted in a report written to fit the preconception that Saddam did have WMD programs. That false and restructured report was passed to Richard Dearlove, chief of the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), who briefed Prime Minister Tony Blair on it as validation of the cause for war.

Secretary of State Powell, in preparation for his presentation of evidence of Saddam's WMD to the United Nations Security Council on Feb. 5, 2003, spent days at CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., and had Tenet sit directly behind him as a sign of credibility. But Tenet, according to the sources, never told Powell about existing intelligence that there were no WMD, and Powell's speech was later revealed to be a series of falsehoods.

Both the French intelligence service and the CIA paid Sabri hundreds of thousands of dollars (at least $200,000 in the case of the CIA) to give them documents on Saddam's WMD programs. "The information detailed that Saddam may have wished to have a program, that his engineers had told him they could build a nuclear weapon within two years if they had fissible material, which they didn't, and that they had no chemical or biological weapons," one of the former CIA officers told me.

On the eve of Sabri's appearance at the United Nations in September 2002 to present Saddam's case, the officer in charge of this operation met in New York with a "cutout" who had debriefed Sabri for the CIA. Then the officer flew to Washington, where he met with CIA deputy director John McLaughlin, who was "excited" about the report. Nonetheless, McLaughlin expressed his reservations. He said that Sabri's information was at odds with "our best source." That source was code-named "Curveball," later exposed as a fabricator, con man and former Iraqi taxi driver posing as a chemical engineer.

The next day, Sept. 18, Tenet briefed Bush on Sabri. "Tenet told me he briefed the president personally," said one of the former CIA officers. According to Tenet, Bush's response was to call the information "the same old thing." Bush insisted it was simply what Saddam wanted him to think. "The president had no interest in the intelligence," said the CIA officer. The other officer said, "Bush didn't give a **** about the intelligence. He had his mind made up."

But the CIA officers working on the Sabri case kept collecting information. "We checked on everything he told us." French intelligence eavesdropped on his telephone conversations and shared them with the CIA. These taps "validated" Sabri's claims, according to one of the CIA officers. The officers brought this material to the attention of the newly formed Iraqi Operations Group within the CIA. But those in charge of the IOG were on a mission to prove that Saddam did have WMD and would not give credit to anything that came from the French. "They kept saying the French were trying to undermine the war," said one of the CIA officers.

The officers continued to insist on the significance of Sabri's information, but one of Tenet's deputies told them, "You haven't figured this out yet. This isn't about intelligence. It's about regime change."

The CIA officers on the case awaited the report they had submitted on Sabri to be circulated back to them, but they never received it. They learned later that a new report had been written. "It was written by someone in the agency, but unclear who or where, it was so tightly controlled. They knew what would please the White House. They knew what the king wanted," one of the officers told me.

That report contained a false preamble stating that Saddam was "aggressively and covertly developing" nuclear weapons and that he already possessed chemical and biological weapons. "Totally out of whack," said one of the CIA officers. "The first [para]graph of an intelligence report is the most important and most read and colors the rest of the report." He pointed out that the case officer who wrote the initial report had not written the preamble and the new memo. "That's not what the original memo said."

The report with the misleading introduction was given to Dearlove of MI6, who briefed the prime minister. "They were given a scaled-down version of the report," said one of the CIA officers. "It was a summary given for liaison, with the sourcing taken out. They showed the British the statement Saddam was pursuing an aggressive program, and rewrote the report to attempt to support that statement. It was insidious. Blair bought it." "Blair was duped," said the other CIA officer. "He was shown the altered report."

The information provided by Sabri was considered so sensitive that it was never shown to those who assembled the NIE on Iraqi WMD. Later revealed to be utterly wrong, the NIE read: "We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade."

Next page: None of the senators who voted to authorize the use of force had an inkling of the Sabri intelligence (http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/index1.html)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

In the congressional debate over the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, even those voting against it gave credence to the notion that Saddam possessed WMD. Even a leading opponent such as Sen. Bob Graham, then the Democratic chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, who had instigated the production of the NIE, declared in his floor speech on Oct. 12, 2002, "Saddam Hussein's regime has chemical and biological weapons and is trying to get nuclear capacity." Not a single senator contested otherwise. None of them had an inkling of the Sabri intelligence.

The CIA officers assigned to Sabri still argued within the agency that his information must be taken seriously, but instead the administration preferred to rely on Curveball. Drumheller learned from the German intelligence service that held Curveball that it considered him and his claims about WMD to be highly unreliable. But the CIA's Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control Center (WINPAC) insisted that Curveball was credible because what he said was supposedly congruent with available public information.

For two months, Drumheller fought against the use of Curveball, raising the red flag that he was likely a fraud, as he turned out to be. "Oh, my! I hope that's not true," said Deputy Director McLaughlin, according to Drumheller's book "On the Brink," published in 2006. When Curveball's information was put into Bush's Jan. 28, 2003, State of the Union address, McLaughlin and Tenet allowed it to pass into the speech. "From three Iraqi defectors," Bush declared, "we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs ... Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed them." In fact, there was only one Iraqi source -- Curveball -- and there were no labs.

When the mobile weapons labs were inserted into the draft of Powell's United Nations speech, Drumheller strongly objected again and believed that the error had been removed. He was shocked watching Powell's speech. "We have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails," Powell announced. Without the reference to the mobile weapons labs, there was no image of a threat.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Powell's chief of staff, and Powell himself later lamented that they had not been warned about Curveball. And McLaughlin told the Washington Post in 2006, "If someone had made these doubts clear to me, I would not have permitted the reporting to be used in Secretary Powell's speech." But, in fact, Drumheller's caution was ignored.

As war appeared imminent, the CIA officers on the Sabri case tried to arrange his defection in order to demonstrate that he stood by his information. But he would not leave without bringing out his entire family. "He dithered," said one former CIA officer. And the war came before his escape could be handled.

Tellingly, Sabri's picture was never put on the deck of playing cards of former Saddam officials to be hunted down, a tacit acknowledgment of his covert relationship with the CIA. Today, Sabri lives in Qatar.

In 2005, the Silberman-Robb commission investigating intelligence in the Iraq war failed to interview the case officer directly involved with Sabri; instead its report blamed the entire WMD fiasco on "groupthink" at the CIA. "They didn't want to trace this back to the White House," said the officer.

On Feb. 5, 2004, Tenet delivered a speech at Georgetown University that alluded to Sabri and defended his position on the existence of WMD, which, even then, he contended would still be found. "Several sensitive reports crossed my desk from two sources characterized by our foreign partners as established and reliable," he said. "The first from a source who had direct access to Saddam and his inner circle" -- Naji Sabri -- "said Iraq was not in the possession of a nuclear weapon. However, Iraq was aggressively and covertly developing such a weapon."

Then Tenet claimed with assurance, "The same source said that Iraq was stockpiling chemical weapons." He explained that this intelligence had been central to his belief in the reason for war. "As this information and other sensitive information came across my desk, it solidified and reinforced the judgments that we had reached in my own view of the danger posed by Saddam Hussein and I conveyed this view to our nation's leaders." (Tenet doesn't mention Sabri in his recently published memoir, "At the Center of the Storm.")

But where were the WMD? "Now, I'm sure you're all asking, 'Why haven't we found the weapons?' I've told you the search must continue and it will be difficult."

On Sept. 8, 2006, three Republican senators on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence -- Orrin Hatch, Saxby Chambliss and Pat Roberts -- signed a letter attempting to counter Drumheller's revelation about Sabri on "60 Minutes": "All of the information about this case so far indicates that the information from this source was that Iraq did have WMD programs." The Republicans also quoted Tenet, who had testified before the committee in July 2006 that Drumheller had "mischaracterized" the intelligence. Still, Drumheller stuck to his guns, telling Reuters, "We have differing interpretations, and I think mine's right."

One of the former senior CIA officers told me that despite the certitude of the three Republican senators, the Senate committee never had the original memo on Sabri. "The committee never got that report," he said. "The material was hidden or lost, and because it was a restricted case, a lot of it was done in hard copy. The whole thing was fogged up, like Curveball."

While one Iraqi source told the CIA that there were no WMD, information that was true but distorted to prove the opposite, another Iraqi source was a fabricator whose lies were eagerly embraced. "The real tragedy is that they had a good source that they misused," said one of the former CIA officers. "The fact is there was nothing there, no threat. But Bush wanted to hear what he wanted to hear."

[Garcia Bronco]

Then Congress has a lot of explaining to do. The Intelligence Committee has oversight over the CIA. So if they didn't get the proper information, they are not doing their jobs. What a shocker.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Then Congress has a lot of explaining to do. The Intelligence Committee has oversight over the CIA. So if they didn't get the proper information, they are not doing their jobs. What a shocker.I don't think you are grasping what happened here. Even Tony Blair was lied to (given an altered report).

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't think you are grasping what happened here. Even Tony Blair was lied to (given an altered report).

No I understand the assertion of the article, and what I am saying is the Congress with oversight should have had their hooks in enough that ..that didn't happen.

[baja]

Clearly the USA government is broken, the question is can it be fixed?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No I understand the assertion of the article, and what I am saying is the Congress with oversight should have had their hooks in enough that ..that didn't happen.Bush and his Neocons made sure that Congress didn't get all of the intel. How is Congress at fault?

[Garcia Bronco]

Bush and his Neocons made sure that Congress didn't get all of the intel. How is Congress at fault?

The Intelligence Commitee's job is oversight of the CIA. Clearly, they were not properly executing their responsibility.

[TailgateNut]

The Intelligence Commitee's job is oversight of the CIA. Clearly, they were not properly executing their responsibility.



How long have you been living in a perfect world? I'm trying not to attack you intelligence, but the gullibility factor is "through the Roof"!

Bush and Co had a predetermined agenda and this qualifies as just one more step in that direction. Non-info equals mis-information (LIES).

[baja]

The Intelligence Commitee's job is oversight of the CIA. Clearly, they were not properly executing their responsibility.

Either way we attacked a sovereign nation based on lies and omissions does that make you proud?

[Garcia Bronco]

Either way we attacked a sovereign nation based on lies and omissions does that make you proud?

That nation was not complying with UN resolutions from the treaty they signed in 92. They we also doing back door deals with with UN member nations. WMD was never a reason for me...for the US to go into the middle east. We were already justified to go clean their clock, unfortnately it's the same old, same old...a.k.a war profiteering and dragging out the conflict for politcal reasons.

[Garcia Bronco]

How long have you been living in a perfect world? I'm trying not to attack you intelligence, but the gullibility factor is "through the Roof"!

Bush and Co had a predetermined agenda and this qualifies as just one more step in that direction. Non-info equals mis-information (LIES).

I have this problem where I work too. It's crazy, but I expect people to do their jobs.

[baja]

That nation was not complying with UN resolutions from the treaty they signed in 92. They we also doing back door deals with with UN member nations. <b>WMD was never a reason for me </b>...for the US to go into the middle east. We were already justified to go clean their clock, unfortunately it's the same old, same old...a.k.a war profiteering and dragging out the conflict for political reasons.

It may not have been a reason for you but it is what it took for congress to sign off on the attack.

Lies and omissions dude, lies and omissions to sway congress to give the green light to attack a sovereign nation. If you don't see this as a gross miss use of Bush's privilege to information that no one else has access to then we will have to keep our discussions to football.

[TailgateNut]

I have this problem where I work too. It's crazy, but I expect people to do their jobs.


Then, why would you not EXPECT Dumbya to pass on this info. He made it his priority to invent and pass on mis-info re: WMD's to further his cause, but didn't feel it was important to pass on evidence/ info which contradicted his reasons for war.

[Garcia Bronco]

It may not have been a reason for you but it is what it took for congress to sign off on the attack.

Lies and omissions dude, lies and omissions to sway congress to give the green light to attack a sovereign nation. If you don't see this as a gross miss use of Bush's privilege to information no one else gets then we will have to keep our discussions to football.

Congress still did not complete their due diligence. If the President or anyone in his admin falsified information, that's clearly a problem, but we cannot excuse Congress for their lack of oversight.

[TailgateNut]

Congress still did not complete their due diligence. If the President or anyone in his admin falsified information, that's clearly a problem, but we cannot excuse Congress for their lack of oversight.

WHO HAD THE DAMN INFO??? End of story!

[Garcia Bronco]

WHO HAD THE DAMN INFO??? End of story!

The CIA had the info. The job on the Intlligence committee is to perfprm oversight on the CIA. Clearly, if they are getting flase information, they are NOT performing their assigned responsility.

[TailgateNut]

The CIA had the info. The job on the Intlligence committee is to perfprm oversight on the CIA. Clearly, if they are getting flase information, they are NOT performing their assigned responsility.


That arrogant pompous ass named GWB had the intell and Tenet didn't speak up when the opposite (propaganda) was being forced forcefed to the rest of the nation and the world .
Stop pointing fingers at those who were not aware.

The next day, Sept. 18, Tenet briefed Bush on Sabri. "Tenet told me he briefed the president personally," said one of the former CIA officers. According to Tenet, Bush's response was to call the information "the same old thing." Bush insisted it was simply what Saddam wanted him to think. "The president had no interest in the intelligence," said the CIA officer. The other officer said, "Bush didn't give a **** about the intelligence. He had his mind made up."

[Garcia Bronco]

"That arrogant pompous ass named GWB had the intell and Tenet didn't speak up when the opposite (propaganda) was being forced forcefed to the rest of the nation and the world .
Stop pointing fingers at those who were not aware."

The Congress' responsibility is to perform oversight of the CIA. It's the LAW. They obviously did not perform this responsibility and have broken the law. So if the claim is they didn't ge the proper intelligence, they not only need to point the finger at the EB, but they must also point the finger at themselves.

[Garcia Bronco]

http://intelligence.senate.gov/jurisdiction.html

"Created pursuant to S.Res. 400, 94th Congress: to oversee and make continuing studies of the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government, and to submit to the Senate appropriate proposals for legislation and report to the Senate concerning such intelligence activities and programs. In carrying out this purpose, the Select Committee on Intelligence shall make every effort to assure that the appropriate departments and agencies of the United States provide informed and timely intelligence necessary for the executive and legislative branches to make sound decisions affecting the security and vital interests of the Nation. It is further the purpose of this resolution to provide vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States to assure that such activities are in conformity with the Constitution and laws of the United States."

[TailgateNut]

"That arrogant pompous ass named GWB had the intell and Tenet didn't speak up when the opposite (propaganda) was being forced forcefed to the rest of the nation and the world .
Stop pointing fingers at those who were not aware."

The Congress' responsibility is to perform oversight of the CIA. It's the LAW. They obviously did not perform this responsibility and have broken the law. So if the claim is they didn't ge the proper intelligence, they not only need to point the finger at the EB, but they must also point the finger at themselves.



Arguing with you is as exhausting as potty training a puppy. I believe Ritalin may help.

No one is arguing the fact that other are responsible for the oversight, but this does not excuse BUSH from LYING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC and the rest of the WORLD.

[TailgateNut]

http://intelligence.senate.gov/jurisdiction.html

"Created pursuant to S.Res. 400, 94th Congress: to oversee and make continuing studies of the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government, and to submit to the Senate appropriate proposals for legislation and report to the Senate concerning such intelligence activities and programs. In carrying out this purpose, the Select Committee on Intelligence shall make every effort to assure that the appropriate departments and agencies of the United States provide informed and timely intelligence necessary for the executive and legislative branches to make sound decisions affecting the security and vital interests of the Nation. It is further the purpose of this resolution to provide vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States to assure that such activities are in conformity with the Constitution and laws of the United States."


...AND???

[Garcia Bronco]

Arguing with you is as exhausting as potty training a puppy. I believe Ritalin may help.

No one is arguing the fact that other are responsible for the oversight, but this does not excuse BUSH from LYING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC and the rest of the WORLD.

If the Senate had performed it's duty, then the Congress could have made a more informed vote to fund the war.

[Garcia Bronco]

...AND???

And it details out what the job is on the Intel Committee in the Senate, and what their JOB is under US LAW.

[Garcia Bronco]

Clearly the USA government is broken, the question is can it be fixed?

I don't think it's broken as it is the people we elect are dishonest people with no honor. Probably a result of poor hometraining.

[Bronco Bob]

I don't think it's broken as it is the people we elect are dishonest people with no honor. Probably a result of poor hometraining.

So why do you keep voting for these people?

[Garcia Bronco]

So why do you keep voting for these people?

You vote for the same guys.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No one is arguing the fact that other are responsible for the oversight, but this does not excuse BUSH from LYING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC and the rest of the WORLD.

Yep.

Garcia's argument is essentially that if an individual commits a crime then he's not at fault if the police fail to catch him. The police are to blame - not the crook.

No wonder Garcia identifies so strongly with the Smirking Sociopath.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq.

So much for the right-wing canard that Kerry, et al, were "looking at the same intel as the president."

[Garcia Bronco]

Yep.

Garcia's argument is essentially that if an individual commits a crime then he's not at fault if the police fail to catch him. The police are to blame - not the crook.

No wonder Garcia identifies so strongly with the Smirking Sociopath.

You are full of crap and you know it. You don't actually read the posts. It is Congressess job under US LAW that they over see what goes on in the CIA. They were not doing that period.

[Garcia Bronco]

So much for the right-wing canard that Kerry, et al, were "looking at the same intel as the president."

http://intelligence.senate.gov/jurisdiction.html

"Created pursuant to S.Res. 400, 94th Congress: to oversee and make continuing studies of the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government, and to submit to the Senate appropriate proposals for legislation and report to the Senate concerning such intelligence activities and programs. In carrying out this purpose, the Select Committee on Intelligence shall make every effort to assure that the appropriate departments and agencies of the United States provide informed and timely intelligence necessary for the executive and legislative branches to make sound decisions affecting the security and vital interests of the Nation. It is further the purpose of this resolution to provide vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States to assure that such activities are in conformity with the Constitution and laws of the United States."

[Spider]

Yep.

Garcia's argument is essentially that if an individual commits a crime then he's not at fault if the police fail to catch him. The police are to blame - not the crook.

No wonder Garcia identifies so strongly with the Smirking Sociopath.

LOL .Close ..... I like Garcia , but sometimes my little buddy is out of his mind ..
now if the entire CIA had the info , Garcia could make an argument , but only Tenet had it , then shared it with Bush .........

[Rohirrim]

"The president had no interest in the intelligence."

Rarely are you able to sum up a person in a single sentence, but I think this one does it. ;D

Really, if Bush's offenses are not impeachable, what is?

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL .Close ..... I like Garcia , but sometimes my little buddy is out of his mind ..
now if the entire CIA had the info , Garcia could make an argument , but only Tenet had it , then shared it with Bush .........

This means the Senate is not doing their job, Spider. They broke the law.

http://intelligence.senate.gov/jurisdiction.html

"Created pursuant to S.Res. 400, 94th Congress: to oversee and make continuing studies of the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government, and to submit to the Senate appropriate proposals for legislation and report to the Senate concerning such intelligence activities and programs. In carrying out this purpose, the Select Committee on Intelligence shall make every effort to assure that the appropriate departments and agencies of the United States provide informed and timely intelligence necessary for the executive and legislative branches to make sound decisions affecting the security and vital interests of the Nation. It is further the purpose of this resolution to provide vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States to assure that such activities are in conformity with the Constitution and laws of the United States."

[baja]

"The president had no interest in the intelligence."

Rarely are you able to sum up a person in a single sentence, but I think this one does it. ;D

Really, if Bush's offenses are not impeachable, what is?

Excellent observation.

[Spider]

This means the Senate is not doing their job, Spider. They broke the law.

http://intelligence.senate.gov/jurisdiction.html

"Created pursuant to S.Res. 400, 94th Congress: to oversee and make continuing studies of the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government, and to submit to the Senate appropriate proposals for legislation and report to the Senate concerning such intelligence activities and programs. In carrying out this purpose, the Select Committee on Intelligence shall make every effort to assure that the appropriate departments and agencies of the United States provide informed and timely intelligence necessary for the executive and legislative branches to make sound decisions affecting the security and vital interests of the Nation. It is further the purpose of this resolution to provide vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States to assure that such activities are in conformity with the Constitution and laws of the United States."
yeah silly me , what was I thinking ....... Congress calls tenet right before the invasion of Iraq , and tenet tells all .Cracks like a virgin on prom night .........

[TailgateNut]

http://intelligence.senate.gov/jurisdiction.html

"Created pursuant to S.Res. 400, 94th Congress: to oversee and make continuing studies of the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government, and to submit to the Senate appropriate proposals for legislation and report to the Senate concerning such intelligence activities and programs. In carrying out this purpose, the Select Committee on Intelligence shall make every effort to assure that the appropriate departments and agencies of the United States provide informed and timely intelligence necessary for the executive and legislative branches to make sound decisions affecting the security and vital interests of the Nation. It is further the purpose of this resolution to provide vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States to assure that such activities are in conformity with the Constitution and laws of the United States."


You can continue to post this crap as often as you wish, but in the real world (reality), the intelligence agencies do not share info as you might imagine. If you think that this Committee knows/ or should know all of the intell gathered by them, you are living a dream. Wake the **** up!
The hard truth about the situation is that Tenet shared the intell with Bush, who in turn decided (hence the moniker "the decider") not to inform the Senate and House of these findings. He did this to "protect" his agenda, which had always been to attack Iraq.
You can continue blabbering about your imaginary world, but the reality of this issue is that Bush "LIED" by not passing this info on to those who should have been made aware of it before attacking and occupying Iraq! He knew excactly what he was doing by not passing on the info.

[Garcia Bronco]

You can continue to post this crap as often as you wish, but in the real world (reality), the intelligence agencies do not share info as you might imagine. If you think that this Committee knows/ or should know all of the intell gathered by them, you are living a dream. Wake the **** up!
The hard truth about the situation is that Tenet shared the intell with Bush, who in turn decided (hence the moniker "the decider") not to inform the Senate and House of these findings. He did this to "protect" his agenda, which had always been to attack Iraq.
You can continue blabbering about your imaginary world, but the reality of this issue is that Bush "LIED" by not passing this info on to those who should have been made aware of it before attacking and occupying Iraq! He knew excactly what he was doing by not passing on the info.

It's the law. So in short it's ridiculous to point a finger at the EB and not the LB as well.

http://intelligence.senate.gov/jurisdiction.html

"Created pursuant to S.Res. 400, 94th Congress: to oversee and make continuing studies of the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government, and to submit to the Senate appropriate proposals for legislation and report to the Senate concerning such intelligence activities and programs. In carrying out this purpose, the Select Committee on Intelligence shall make every effort to assure that the appropriate departments and agencies of the United States provide informed and timely intelligence necessary for the executive and legislative branches to make sound decisions affecting the security and vital interests of the Nation. It is further the purpose of this resolution to provide vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States to assure that such activities are in conformity with the Constitution and laws of the United States."

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=Garcia Bronco;1702768]It's the law. So in short it's ridiculous to point a finger at the EB and not the LB as well.




LOL LOL LOL ,what-ever. Argue with yourself. You obviously live in a different world than the rest of us! How's the weather in Utopia today?

[Garcia Bronco]

[QUOTE=Garcia Bronco;1702768]It's the law. So in short it's ridiculous to point a finger at the EB and not the LB as well.




LOL LOL LOL ,what-ever. Argue with yourself. You obviously live in a different world than the rest of us! How's the weather in Utopia today?

I wouldn't want to argue woth me either if I where you. The Senate has the responsilibility under S res 400 to gather it's own information from the CIA. Not to get it from the EB. Do you understand now?

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=TailgateNut;1702775]

I wouldn't want to argue woth me either if I where you. The Senate has the responsilibility under S res 400 to gather it's own information from the CIA. Not to get it from the EB. Do you understand now?

Arguing with you is akin to arguing with GWB. You both live in imaginary worlds!

PS: remind me not to allow my children to attend VT!

[Spider]

PS: remind me not to allow my children to attend VT!

;D thats cold man ....

[TailgateNut]

;D thats cold man ....

No it's not, I'm serious.

[Garcia Bronco]

[QUOTE=Garcia Bronco;1702777]

Arguing with you is akin to arguing with GWB. You both live in imaginary worlds!

PS: remind me not to allow my children to attend VT!

Your kids would do well to go to Virginia Tech to be engineers, mathematicians, Architects, or Chemists. Assuming they could qualify. :)

[Spider]

No it's not, I'm serious.

Just because Virginia isnt part of the United States , no need to make fun of them , they do try hard .... Just because the phrase "Bubba Jr. Get off your sister and get dressed" is used alot , is no reason to make fun of them ;D

[Garcia Bronco]

Just because Virginia isnt part of the United States , no need to make fun of them , they do try hard .... Just because the phrase "Bubba Jr. Get off your sister and get dressed is used" alot , is no reason to make fun of them ;D

You guys can rag on Virginia all you want, but if it wasn't for the good people of Virginia....life would not exist as you know it...if you existed at all. Think about that.

[Spider]

You guys can rag on Virginia all you want, but if it wasn't for the good people of Virginia....life would not exist as you know it...if you existed at all. Think about that.

does this include Indians as well ?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

[QUOTE=TailgateNut;1702775]
I wouldn't want to argue woth me either if I where you. The Senate has the responsilibility under S res 400 to gather it's own information from the CIA. Not to get it from the EB. Do you understand now?Well, it's clear you don't understand or want to admit you voted for the liar in charge and he kept that intel from Congress. Your insistence that Congress is to blame for Bush and his Neocons sending this country to war based on lies is pitiful.

[Garcia Bronco]

[QUOTE=Garcia Bronco;1702777]Well, it's clear you don't understand or want to admit you voted for the liar in charge and he kept that intel from Congress. Your insistence that Congress is to blame for Bush and his Neocons sending this country to war based on lies is pitiful.

They are just as much to blame as the EB, I have said that several times now. and yes I did vote for George, and if I had to go back and do it again I would do the same, because John Kerry was not a choice at all. I would have voted for Clinton before I voted for Bush, but the democrats let us down.

[Garcia Bronco]

does this include Indians as well ?

What do you mean?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

[QUOTE=Bronco_Beerslug;1702801]

They are just as much to blame as the EB, I have said that several times now. and yes I did vote for George, and if I had to go back and do it again I would do the same, because John Kerry was not a choice at all. I would have voted for Clinton before I voted for Bush, but the democrats let us down.
Compared to who, Bush? Just how did they "let us down"?
And you saying you would vote for Bush again shows you as one ignorant or dumb yahoo.

Too bad there aren't any common sense classes offered at VT.

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=TailgateNut;1702780]

Your kids would do well to go to Virginia Tech to be engineers, mathematicians, Architects, or Chemists. Assuming they could qualify. :)

You forgot DogKillers!

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=Garcia Bronco;1702810]

And you saying you would vote for Bush again shows you as one ignorant or dumb yahoo.

Too bad there aren't any common sense classes offered at VT.

Couldn't have said it any better myself!

[Garcia Bronco]

Compared to who, Bush? Just how did they "let us down"?
And you saying you would vote for Bush again shows you as one ignorant or dumb yahoo.

Too bad there aren't any common sense classes offered at VT.


They let us down by not doing their due dilligence and you know it under S res 400. It's the law. So by all means blame the President, and when you are done you can also blame Congress..

btw,
You can insult me all you want, pal. But you leave my brothers, sisters, and our School out of it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

They let us down by not doing their due dilligence and you know it under S res 400. It's the law. So by all means blame the President, and when you are done you can also blame Congress..
btw,
You can insult me all you want, pal. But you leave my brothers, sisters, and our School out of it.
Your schooling didn't work for you apparently, I'll talk about that anytime I like.....pal.

[Spider]

What do you mean?

ok then , how about Canadians ? and ice Road Truckers ?

[baja]

ok then , how about Canadians ? and ice Road Truckers ?


I saw a special on those ice road guys they're nuts. ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You are full of crap and you know it. You don't actually read the posts. It is Congressess job under US LAW that they over see what goes on in the CIA. They were not doing that period.

You are the one who is full of crap insofar as you don't seem to recognize an invalid argument when you construct one.

Let's recap:

1) Bush was given intel that showed Iraq did not have WMD.

2) Bush chose not to tell Congress about this intel.

Your "conclusion" is essentially this:

Because Congress did not discover the fact that Bush witheld the aforementioned intel, Congress is itself to blame for Bush keeping the intel from Congress!

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

Do you have any idea how utterly "Sopranos" your "ethics" are?

Apparently not as you keep trying to work this same absurd argument ad nauseum.

We can only hope your high school guidance counselor persuaded you to scratch "criminal defense attorney" and "professor of ethics" off your list of career possibilities.

[Bronco Bob]

You are the one who is full of crap insofar as you don't seem to recognize an invalid argument when you construct one.

Let's recap:

1) Bush was given intel that showed Iraq did not have WMD.

2) Bush chose not to tell Congress about this intel.

Your "conclusion" is essentially this:

Because Congress did not discover the fact that Bush witheld the aforementioned intel, Congress is itself to blame for Bush keeping the intel from Congress!

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

Do you have any idea how utterly "Sopranos" your "ethics" are?

Apparently not as you keep trying to work this same absurd argument ad nauseum.

We can only hope your high school guidance counselor persuaded you to scratch "criminal defense attorney" and "professor of ethics" off your list of career possibilities.

It seems what GB is saying it that Congress should have known Bush was
a bald faced lier from the get go and that Congress should have known
Bush was giving them phony documents. So therefore Congress should have
spent months determining that what they got from Bush was a pack of lies
because they should have known Bush can't be trusted. Remembering
that this was still 2002 when Bush was still fairly popular and the
public was still fired up about going after terrorists and up to this
point in time Bush hadn't given anyone a reason not to trust him.
But still Congress should have suspected the documents were all lies
and done their own investigation.
It's sort of akin to a mother who poisons her kids. They should
have known mom was an evil witch out to kill them and refused
to eat the food she gave them, despite the fact she presented
a warm and loving appearance to them so it's their own fault they died.

[Spider]

I saw a special on those ice road guys they're nuts. ;D

;D their job is almost as dangerous as mine

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Shows how out of touch with reality the average right-winger really is...

Still flunking the WMD test

By Steve Benen (http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_nv/more/section/archive?author=steve-benen)
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

Andrew Sullivan makes the case today that one of the major American political parties is "unhinged (http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/06/one-party-is-unhinged.html)."
Or, rather, it is living in an alternative reality (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/iraq-wmd-poll-clueless-vast-majority-republicans_n_1616012.html?utm_hp_ref=tw). 63 percent of Republicans in a new poll believe that Saddam Hussein had WMDs when we invaded in 2003, despite even George W. Bush's acknowledgment that he didn't. 64 percent also believe that Barack Obama was born in a foreign country, even though we have the long-form birth certificate from Hawaii. This alternate reality is sustained by a 24 hour propaganda network, and hermetically sealed off from any external intervention.
We are reaching a democratic crisis of some sorts. One major political party refuses to accept empirical truths. It has become a hall of ideological mirrors.
Andrew's not exaggerating. His item references this Dan Froomkin piece (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/iraq-wmd-poll-clueless-vast-majority-republicans_n_1616012.html?utm_hp_ref=tw), published today, on a YouGov poll (http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Ebenv/files/poll%20responses%20by%20party%20ID.pdf) conducted last month. To help drive home the point, I put together a chart based the YouGov results on the WMD question.
http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benen561BC883-1C27-3990-9992-9A6372B086A4.jpg&width=600
Remember, the poll was completed last month -- as in, May 2012, not May 2003.