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dragondawg
09-03-2007, 09:37 PM
Ex-Tampa Bay star second among active players with 121 career sack

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - Nobody’s more excited about Denver’s signing of free agent sacks specialist Simeon Rice than Broncos safety John Lynch.

The two won a Super Bowl together in Tampa Bay in 2002, and both believe this reunion in the Rockies could lead to a second ring.

“He’s a teammate who I loved playing with and one of the great pass-rushers of all-time. So, we’d be — anyone would be — fortunate to get him,” Lynch said Monday while the sides were signing the one-year deal at Broncos headquarters

Rice, whose 121 career sacks rank second to Michael Strahan among active players, was released by Tampa Bay this summer after the Buccaneers signed first-round draft pick Gaines Adams.

Rice had failed a physical earlier in the day after reporting to camp, but has since passed his medical tests. The 33-year-old started the first eight games last year before being sidelined by a shoulder injury.

Lynch said Rice told him he was fine: “He told me his shoulder’s feeling good and he feels like he’s ready to play.”

Coach Mike Shanahan courted Rice, who ranks 13th all-time in sacks, to bring experience and pressure to a young defensive line.

“He’s a big-time pass rusher, he’s been in the league for a while, he’s got a lot of talent,” Shanahan said.

And he’ll be expected to lead by example when it comes to showing the Broncos’ rookie class of Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder and Marcus Thomas the NFL ropes.

Strahan, among others, has been critical of Rice in recent years, claiming that he gets sacks but doesn’t play the run well, something Lynch said was an overstated observation.

“He’s a terrific football player all-around. A lot of people like to give him a hard time about his run defense. It doesn’t always look pretty, but he gets the job done,” Lynch said. “He and Strahan are right there in terms of sacks.

“And the thing I always loved about Simeon is his sacks came in big times. Fourth-quarter, third downs, fourth downs. He’s just got a flair for the dramatic. When your team needs a play, he makes it,” Lynch said. “He’s one of the great ones ever at stripping the ball. He doesn’t just sack the quarterback.”

The Broncos are loaded with youth along the defensive line, where they are led by veteran John Engelberger and two free agents; the three rookies; two players with just a year’s experience; one with two years in the league; and one who’s been suspended for the first month of the season.

hey lost Ebenezer Ekuban for the season to an Achilles’ tendon injury and jettisoned starters Gerard Warren and Kenard Lang last month.

While the contract was being completed, Moss said he would welcome the addition of Rice even though it would undoubtedly cut into his playing time as a rookie.

“There would be no envy or jealousy,” said Moss, the Broncos’ first-round draft pick out of Florida. “I think it would be a great situation for him and a great opportunity for me to get the chance to learn from a Hall of Fame-caliber defensive end. I can’t think of one negative.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20577484/

Paladin
09-03-2007, 09:49 PM
Moss is growing up.....

ohiobronco2
09-03-2007, 09:51 PM
Ex-Tampa Bay star second among active players with 121 career sack

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - Nobody’s more excited about Denver’s signing of free agent sacks specialist Simeon Rice than Broncos safety John Lynch.

The two won a Super Bowl together in Tampa Bay in 2002, and both believe this reunion in the Rockies could lead to a second ring.

“He’s a teammate who I loved playing with and one of the great pass-rushers of all-time. So, we’d be — anyone would be — fortunate to get him,” Lynch said Monday while the sides were signing the one-year deal at Broncos headquarters

Rice, whose 121 career sacks rank second to Michael Strahan among active players, was released by Tampa Bay this summer after the Buccaneers signed first-round draft pick Gaines Adams.

Rice had failed a physical earlier in the day after reporting to camp, but has since passed his medical tests. The 33-year-old started the first eight games last year before being sidelined by a shoulder injury.

Lynch said Rice told him he was fine: “He told me his shoulder’s feeling good and he feels like he’s ready to play.”

Coach Mike Shanahan courted Rice, who ranks 13th all-time in sacks, to bring experience and pressure to a young defensive line.

“He’s a big-time pass rusher, he’s been in the league for a while, he’s got a lot of talent,” Shanahan said.

And he’ll be expected to lead by example when it comes to showing the Broncos’ rookie class of Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder and Marcus Thomas the NFL ropes.

Strahan, among others, has been critical of Rice in recent years, claiming that he gets sacks but doesn’t play the run well, something Lynch said was an overstated observation.

“He’s a terrific football player all-around. A lot of people like to give him a hard time about his run defense. It doesn’t always look pretty, but he gets the job done,” Lynch said. “He and Strahan are right there in terms of sacks.

“And the thing I always loved about Simeon is his sacks came in big times. Fourth-quarter, third downs, fourth downs. He’s just got a flair for the dramatic. When your team needs a play, he makes it,” Lynch said. “He’s one of the great ones ever at stripping the ball. He doesn’t just sack the quarterback.”

The Broncos are loaded with youth along the defensive line, where they are led by veteran John Engelberger and two free agents; the three rookies; two players with just a year’s experience; one with two years in the league; and one who’s been suspended for the first month of the season.
hey lost Ebenezer Ekuban for the season to an Achilles’ tendon injury and jettisoned starters Gerard Warren and Kenard Lang last month.

While the contract was being completed, Moss said he would welcome the addition of Rice even though it would undoubtedly cut into his playing time as a rookie.

“There would be no envy or jealousy,” said Moss, the Broncos’ first-round draft pick out of Florida. “I think it would be a great situation for him and a great opportunity for me to get the chance to learn from a Hall of Fame-caliber defensive end. I can’t think of one negative.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20577484/


We are on our way. Not only do we finally have somewhat of a youth movement on our DL, but we also have young players who seem to have the right idea. The greatest impact Rice can have on our team in my opinion is tutoring our younger DL players. I don't know if our D will gel this season, but I feel we are really close to having a dominant D, regardless of what I've seen this pre season. The true test will come against the Bills and we will see if we have just been running a vanilla D or if our D really isn't as good as we'd like. I hope we can pick up another DT, Linebacker (where depends on how well DJ plays) and a safety before the start of the season next year and we will be set for dominance for years to come.

Popps
09-03-2007, 09:53 PM
Someone mentioned the Neil Smith signing. I wouldn't say this is the same thing, but could have a lesser... but similar effect on our defense.

Broncos fans probably can't even remember what it's like to have an ass kicker up front, having to be accounted for on every play. It makes things very difficult for a opposing offenses.

Cito Pelon
09-03-2007, 10:26 PM
Rice has always been a mild liability against the run because he's aggressive upfield all the time. But the sacks outweigh the mild liability as long as you have cleanup LB's.

BroncoBuff
09-03-2007, 10:26 PM
Another good Lynch/Rice article from Andrew Mason:


Selling Rice on the Broncos
By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Instead of carrying a briefcase and wearing a tie, John Lynch totes his shoulder pads and dons a helmet.
Aside from that, there's little that separates the safety from a successful salesman.

His tools? Quick thinking, a friendly nature and the ability to build a relationship with a potential customer. In Lynch's case, crafting that relationship with Simeon Rice was simple; all he had to do was call upon their four years as teammates with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

But Lynch had something more to offer Rice -- evidence that going from Tampa Bay to Denver can provide that second act that is all too rare in life and in football. That ultimately helped sway Rice to join the Broncos, as the 12-year veteran defensive end agreed to terms with Denver on Monday afternoon.

Rice's arrival, of course, evokes memories of Lynch's decision to spurn other offers and sign with the Broncos in March 2004. In that case, though, the timeline was truncated; Lynch was only on the market a few days, while Rice lingered unclaimed for over a month as he explored his options.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1852/ricelynchap070903pb8.jpg
Simeon Rice and John Lynch shared some good
times together with the Bucs -- including a
Super Bowl and a Pro Bowl in their three
seasons together. PHOTO: AP

But a player with 121 career sacks -- more than all but one active NFL player -- wasn't going to linger on the shelf forever.

"He's got a lot of talent," Head Coach Mike Shanahan said. Now, his team hopes for lightning to strike twice when it comes to Bucs-turned-Broncos.
When the Bucs jettisoned Lynch in 2004, many thought that the safety would never be the same, that he would never recover from the injuries that had dogged him the previous year. Three seasons, three Pro Bowls and just two missed games later, Lynch erased all doubt about whether he still possessed the skills, prowess and durability that made him so valuable on Florida's west coast.

Three years and nearly five months after the Bucs parted ways with Lynch, they said goodbye to Rice. Lynch subsequently wasted little time calling his old teammate on the phone.

"I've talked to him a lot from the day he was cut," Lynch said. "I was proactive in calling him and saying, 'Hey, keep us in mind.'"

As Lynch worked his old friend on the phone, he tried to convince the 12-year veteran defensive end that Denver was the place to be. But he didn't have to use the other tool in the salesman's satchel -- a polished, varnished spiel that is often summarized with a two-syllable profanity that is also a popular sports chant.

Instead, Lynch merely had to be honest about his own experience. "You just tell them the truth when you tell people about this organization," Lynch said. "They do things right (in Denver). You're never guaranteed anything in this league, but you're going to have a chance to compete every year, and that's all you can ask for."

Obviously, it worked, giving the Broncos an adrenaline boost to a defensive line that 16 days earlier absorbed the loss of one of its most integral parts when Ebenezer Ekuban tore an Achilles tendon during the preseason loss at Dallas.

"When Eb went down, (Rice in Denver) became more of a reality, and hopefully it works out," Lynch said shortly before the news of Rice's arrival broke. "We'd be extremely fortunate to get him."

Less than an hour later, Lynch's hopes became reality. "We won a Super Bowl together and played on one of the great defenses of all-time, and he was a huge part of that," Lynch said. "He's a terrific player."

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=7127

Willynowei
09-03-2007, 10:27 PM
This organization has done everything it could've this offseason to address the D-line. Awesome job.

Now lets hope that they take it from the paper to the field.

Los Broncos
09-03-2007, 10:32 PM
Lynch made a smooth transition from TB to Denver, im sure he will do everything to help Rice do the same.

RunSilentRunDeep
09-03-2007, 10:35 PM
Aside from the sacks, the guy has forced 23 fumbles in the last five seasons.

BroncoBuff
09-03-2007, 10:37 PM
Someone mentioned the Neil Smith signing. I wouldn't say this is the same thing, but could have a lesser... but similar effect on our defense.

Broncos fans probably can't even remember what it's like to have an ass kicker up front, having to be accounted for on every play. It makes things very difficult for a opposing offenses.

After all your off-season D-Line hand-wringing (which I joined) ... now with the Drafted Trio plus Simeon Rice, are you ready to hang up the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner Popps?

I sure am :thumbs:

Broncojef
09-03-2007, 10:44 PM
God what a relief, this season is gonna be so much fun. I love this team and Pat Bowlen!!!!

Marshall is Beast
09-03-2007, 11:00 PM
im so excited abou rice, he could be crucial to the development of our 2 young ends, and hopefully he make a huge positive impact on them

this is also my first post here, ive been on bronco country for a while but its dieing over there because of stupid rules and change . . .oh well its good to still be around bronco fans

also who are the mods around here??? my old profile needs to be deleted anything helps thanks everybody

El Guapo
09-03-2007, 11:07 PM
Only one word sums this up; AWESOME!

Cant wait for sunday!! (too bad I'll be driving back from the Texas Tech game :()

BroncoBuff
09-03-2007, 11:31 PM
Only one word sums this up; AWESOME!

Cant wait for sunday!! (too bad I'll be driving back from the Texas Tech game :()
Come on, Mav, Lubbock to Dallas is three, four hours tops. Pull an all-nighter!


BTW - I just saw Tech clubbing SMU there in Dallas a few hours ago. That Mustangs stadium they dug into the ground there on Mockingbird is very cool. I saw it for the first time in '04 ... but the time before that (95?) it was just a flat soccer field with bleachers on each side. The new SMU unis look cool too.

Vegas_Bronco
09-03-2007, 11:34 PM
Updated: September 3, 2007, 10:34 PM ET




<!-- end page tools --><!-- begin story body --><!-- template inline -->Free-agent defensive end Simeon Rice (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3549), one of the few potential impact players remaining in free agency and a guy who enters 2007 as the second-leading active sacker in the league, signed with the Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) on Monday evening.


Clayton: Rice Ready

http://espn.go.com/i/columnists/clayton_john_m.jpg Mike Shanahan obviously didn't think his young defensive ends were ready for prime time, John Clayton writes. Blog (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3003376&name=clayton_john) http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/in.gif



Rice, 33, arrived in Denver on Sunday, dined that evening with team officials, and then chose the Broncos' contract offer over the proposal the St. Louis Rams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=stl) submitted.
According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, Rice's deal with the Broncos is for one year and $3 million. He accepted the terms once the Broncos decided to guarantee the contract. Along with the $3 million, the Broncos gave him the chance to make another $1 million through performance-based incentives.
The addition of Rice, who was released by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=tam) at the outset of training camp in July, continues the near-wholesale overhaul of the Denver defensive line. Even before adding Rice, the Broncos were projected to have four new defensive line starters. Only two of the defensive linemen who dressed for Denver in the 2006 season opener remain on the active roster.
"He's a big-time pass rusher, he's been in the league for a while, he's got a lot of talent," Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said, according to The Associated Press.
It is not yet known if Rice will play in Denver's season opener at Buffalo on Sunday, but he left little doubt that he wants to suit up.
"I'm anxious to play," Rice said. "It's what I do. I'm not [accustomed] to sitting around."
An 11-year veteran, Rice should provide the Broncos with the upfield pass-rush threat the team has lacked for the last several seasons. Denver had 35 sacks in 2006, slightly below the NFL average of 36.3, and its top sacker was then-rookie Elvis Dumervil (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7875), with 8½. The Broncos haven't had a player with double-digit sacks since end Reggie Hayward (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5535) recorded 10½ in 2004.
Rice has posted eight seasons with 10 or more sacks and only four players in league history have more double-digit sack years than him. He had a string of five straight double-digit sack seasons snapped last year, when a shoulder injury limited him to eight appearances and two sacks, both career lows. Rice is 13th on the all-time sack list and needs eight to move into the top 10 in NFL history.
"He's a teammate who I loved playing with and one of the great pass rushers of all-time. So, we'd be -- anyone would be -- fortunate to get him,'' Broncos defensive back John Lynch (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2441) said, according to AP.
There have been questions since Rice's release about the status of his left shoulder, which required surgery in the offseason, and most teams with whom he visited administered a physical examination. The Rams even put Rice through a short workout of sorts, which included a weightlifting session.
Lynch said Rice told him he was fine: "He told me his shoulder's feeling good and he feels like he's ready to play."
Rice also visited with the New York Giants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyg) and Tennessee Titans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ten) after his release.
Before the shoulder injury, Rice never missed a game because of injury in his first 10 NFL seasons. The former University of Illinois star has played in 166 games, 160 as a starter, and has 460 tackles, 35 forced fumbles, eight recoveries, five interceptions and 51 pass deflections.
He was a first-round pick of the Arizona Cardinals (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ari) in 1996, then signed with the Bucs as an unrestricted free agent in 2001.
Rice's departure from Tampa Bay was a controversial one. Team officials allowed him to report to camp, then announced he had failed his physical exam. Rice insisted the divorce from the Bucs, where he was scheduled to have a base salary of $7.25 million in 2007 and a salary cap charge of more than $10 million, was financially motivated.
The release came, Rice said, after he rejected a proposed salary reduction of $2.5 million.

"Everybody knows it was a money thing," Rice said. Len Pasquarelli and John Clayton are senior NFL writers for ESPN.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

El Guapo
09-03-2007, 11:47 PM
Come on, Mav, Lubbock to Dallas is three, four hours tops. Pull an all-nighter!


BTW - I just saw Tech clubbing SMU there in Dallas a few hours ago. That Mustangs stadium they dug into the ground there on Mockingbird is very cool. I saw it for the first time in '04 ... but the time before that (95?) it was just a flat soccer field with bleachers on each side. The new SMU unis look cool too.

Unfortunately Im carpooling with 5 other people, so majority rules... and Im not in the majority. :bash:

dragondawg
09-03-2007, 11:50 PM
i only remember lynch missing one game

Popps
09-04-2007, 12:36 AM
After all your off-season D-Line hand-wringing (which I joined) ... now with the Drafted Trio plus Simeon Rice, are you ready to hang up the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner Popps?

I sure am :thumbs:

Football-wise, pretty close. He's potentially the disruptive force we've needed.
Not sure about the guys lined up next to him, but from strictly a football standpoint, he'll make us much better. I'm excited to see the impact it has on this defense.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2007, 12:37 AM
After all your off-season D-Line hand-wringing (which I joined) ... now with the Drafted Trio plus Simeon Rice, are you ready to hang up the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner Popps?

I sure am :thumbs:


Controlling the LOS is "mission accomplished".

azbroncfan
09-04-2007, 12:39 AM
Can't wait to see him go up against KC's joke of OT's.

Popps
09-04-2007, 12:39 AM
This organization has done everything it could've this offseason to address the D-line.

Yep.

You've been as vocal about it as I have. They've moved up in the draft, used two first day picks on the DL, signed Adams and others, and now this.

If it doesn't work out this year... we cant' say they didn't try, and that's all we can ask.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2007, 12:53 AM
Yep.

You've been as vocal about it as I have. They've moved up in the draft, used two first day picks on the DL, signed Adams and others, and now this.

If it doesn't work out this year... we cant' say they didn't try, and that's all we can ask.

True. There was finally an effort made to correct what has been the downfall of this team for years.

It's a shame that Pryce isnt around this season. I would feel comfortable calling us the best team in the West with another DT that could contribute regularly with some form of dominance at the position.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 01:15 AM
Someone mentioned the Neil Smith signing. I wouldn't say this is the same thing, but could have a lesser... but similar effect on our defense.

Broncos fans probably can't even remember what it's like to have an ass kicker up front, having to be accounted for on every play. It makes things very difficult for a opposing offenses.
Donkey fans can't remember past Pryce?

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 01:16 AM
Controlling the LOS is "mission accomplished".

:spit: ROFL! Yeah, Rice is a BEAST on the line. One trick pony, who oughta be glue by now.

Drek
09-04-2007, 01:25 AM
After all your off-season D-Line hand-wringing (which I joined) ... now with the Drafted Trio plus Simeon Rice, are you ready to hang up the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner Popps?

I sure am :thumbs:

Thats all well and good for the DEs, nice youth movement and all that, it'd be perfect if Eb was still healthy, but at DT we still look pretty soft. We won't go very far if we can't stop teams from running up the gut. That requires Sam Adams to get back to form and either Gordon, Burton, McKinley, or Thomas to step up and take over the DT role next to him.

Excellent deal though. 1 year, $3M, $1M in performance bonuses. He'll be highly motivated and we have no long term commitment.

telluride
09-04-2007, 01:26 AM
Rice > Ekuban.

That's it in a nutshell. Case closed.

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2007, 01:31 AM
:spit: ROFL! Yeah, Rice is a BEAST on the line. One trick pony, who oughta be glue by now.
In 2005 he had 14 sacks and 6 forced fumbles, so I guess you're contention that he's done is based on him being injured for the first time in his career last year and missing half the season.

Pretty short sighted and ignorant to assume that.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 01:31 AM
Rice > Ekuban.

That's it in a nutshell. Case closed.

More like Rice > Ekuban w/regards to pass rush.
And then Ekuban > Rice w/regards to run stopping.

NOW, case is closed.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 01:32 AM
In 2005 he had 14 sacks and 6 forced fumbles, so I guess you're contention that he's done is based on him being injured for the first time in his career last year and missing half the season.

Pretty short sighted and ignorant to assume that.
I was quoting the post about him "holding the LOS". Precisely why I said, "one trick pony." He can rush the passer- you now have, like 13 of those guys.

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2007, 01:35 AM
I was quoting the post about him "holding the LOS". Precisely why I said, "one trick pony." He can rush the passer- you now have, like 13 of those guys.
John Lynch said he does play the run. I guess he'd know more than you.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 01:45 AM
Yeah. I know John. Whatever. And keep telling yourself that. You guys signed what you WANT Jarvis Moss to be... circa de '02.

Atlas
09-04-2007, 01:47 AM
In 2005 he had 14 sacks and 6 forced fumbles, so I guess you're contention that he's done is based on him being injured for the first time in his career last year and missing half the season.

Pretty short sighted and ignorant to assume that.

Ignorant?? Well, he is a Charger fan. What do Charger fans know? Hell 3 years ago S.D. didn't even have any fans.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 01:56 AM
Pretty sure I was on this board before you. And my screen name was the same. Not like you to get so testy aatlas. Starting to take them personally eh?

It's okay little guy. Donks will get back on top some day.

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2007, 02:11 AM
Ignorant?? Well, he is a Charger fan. What do Charger fans know? Hell 3 years ago S.D. didn't even have any fans.
And three years from now they probably won't even have a team.

dragondawg
09-04-2007, 02:13 AM
if ekuban never got hrut i wonder if denver would still have been interested in rich

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2007, 02:32 AM
In 1991 Bruce Smith missed 11 games with an injury and had 1 1/2 sacks. The following year he notched 14. At age 33 Smith had 13 1/2 sacks and added another 60 before he retired.

Reggie White played 6 more years and also totaled another 60 sacks after his 11th season.

At 32 Michael Strahan had 18 1/2 sacks, got hurt for 8 games the next year and had only 4, then added 11 1/2 at age 34.

Kevin Greene had 61 sacks after age 33.

Simon Fletcher had his best year (16 sacks) at age 30.

cabronco
09-04-2007, 02:33 AM
Ignorant?? Well, he is a Charger fan. What do Charger fans know? Hell 3 years ago S.D. didn't even have any fans.

That's BS. In 2003 they had a fan..... NW BOLT FAN. :rofl:

maher_tyler
09-04-2007, 02:44 AM
Pretty sure I was on this board before you. And my screen name was the same. Not like you to get so testy aatlas. Starting to take them personally eh?

It's okay little guy. Donks will get back on top some day.

When you say back on top Bronco fans are thinking Super Bowl titles while your happy at winning division titles...you can have those..we'll take the Lombardi Trophy :thumbs:

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2007, 02:47 AM
That's BS. In 2003 they had a fan..... NW BOLT FAN. :rofl:
Hilarious!

dragondawg
09-04-2007, 03:59 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6794190

ohiobronco2
09-04-2007, 06:58 AM
Pretty sure I was on this board before you. And my screen name was the same. Not like you to get so testy aatlas. Starting to take them personally eh?

It's okay little guy. Donks will get back on top some day.

Thanks for keeping the seats warm for us. We're ready to be back on top. It makes me laugh how Charger fans get a little bit of success and become arrogant as he**. 2-3 years from now and you'll probably be cellar dwellers again.

maher_tyler
09-04-2007, 07:10 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6794190

I thought he was heavier than 268...good read though..i'm hoping he plays the way he did in tampa and arizona for us..it's gonna be nice to finally see someone get to the QB on a regular basis!!

Killericon
09-04-2007, 07:12 AM
Only a one-year deal no less.

Score.

dragondawg
09-04-2007, 07:15 AM
peyton manning watch out

maher_tyler
09-04-2007, 07:17 AM
Thanks for keeping the seats warm for us. We're ready to be back on top. It makes me laugh how Charger fans get a little bit of success and become arrogant as he**. 2-3 years from now and you'll probably be cellar dwellers again.

If LT ever goes down there as good as done..what would there O be without him??

DarkHorse30
09-04-2007, 09:10 AM
If LT ever goes down there as good as done..what would there O be without him??

Actually, I think their backup is nearly as good. They've got a slough of great players but they've been Marty-balled.......Now they're going to get Norved.

I've never seen a more under-achieving group than the SD chargers. Nice new helmets, though.

HorseHead
09-04-2007, 09:49 AM
NW Bolt Fan.....a little scared?

go put your diaper on...

Merlin
09-04-2007, 10:08 AM
Pretty sure I was on this board before you. And my screen name was the same. Not like you to get so testy aatlas. Starting to take them personally eh?

It's okay little guy. Donks will get back on top some day.
Considering Denver was in the AFC game a couple of seasons ago, and you guys have not even gotten a sniff despite your stars, we know we'll be back on top soon, too bad for you guys that your days were wasted by LOUSY coaching decisions. Leave it to you guys to figure out how to waste a team that could have been there 2 to 3 times by now. You are now beginning your decent to mediocrity...in 3 yrs you will probably be looking up at all of the AFW...too bad, I would rather the Raiders or KC take that spot (however, you can take solace on KC keeping the germinator as their coach).

DenverBrit
09-04-2007, 10:13 AM
Considering Denver was in the AFC game a couple of seasons ago, and you guys have not even gotten a sniff despite your stars, we know we'll be back on top soon, too bad for you guys that your days were wasted by LOUSY coaching decisions. Leave it to you guys to figure out how to waste a team that could have been there 2 to 3 times by now. You are now beginning your decent to mediocrity...in 3 yrs you will probably be looking up at all of the AFW...too bad, I would rather the Raiders or KC take that spot (you do have some hope, as long as KC keeps the germinator as their coach).

Imagine Shanahan with the SD roster of the last 2 years.

Jetmeck
09-04-2007, 12:14 PM
Someone mentioned the Neil Smith signing. I wouldn't say this is the same thing, but could have a lesser... but similar effect on our defense.

Broncos fans probably can't even remember what it's like to have an ass kicker up front, having to be accounted for on every play. It makes things very difficult for a opposing offenses.

I have to admit I thought of NEIL SMITH also when this happened. We really had no other big names on the line at that time so I hope with the rooks this will be a similiar line as 97 amd 98. We'll have to blitz as we did them though.

Jetmeck
09-04-2007, 12:19 PM
:spit: ROFL! Yeah, Rice is a BEAST on the line. One trick pony, who oughta be glue by now.


You sir are an idiot. Go look at his production over the last few years and yes last year he was injured....it happens.

Jetmeck
09-04-2007, 12:21 PM
Hell 3 years ago S.D. didn't even have any fans.


You got that right. Fair weather fans.

55CrushEm
09-04-2007, 12:43 PM
I've never seen a more under-achieving group than the SD chargers. Nice new helmets, though.

:rofl:

dsmoot
09-04-2007, 02:06 PM
I have to admit I thought of NEIL SMITH also when this happened. We really had no other big names on the line at that time so I hope with the rooks this will be a similiar line as 97 amd 98. We'll have to blitz as we did them though.

Do we have 1 linebacker as good as Romanowski at playing the run or blitzing. We are significantly better at DB now, but weaker at linebacker.

I know everyone is excited about Rice. I hope he is fully recovered but I would think he is a few games away from playing well. What is the strength level in the shoulder and is he risking injury to the shoulder by playing games before he is fully in condition to do so.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2007, 02:14 PM
Between Simeon, DJ, Webster, Adams, Bly, and the rooks, I dont think that we'll really have a handle on this defense until at least half-way through the season.

Hopefully our offense can help keep us afloat until then.

Odysseus
09-04-2007, 02:23 PM
That's BS. In 2003 they had a fan..... NW BOLT FAN. :rofl:

ROFL!

BroncoBuff
09-04-2007, 04:59 PM
at DT we still look pretty soft. We won't go very far if we can't stop teams from running up the gut. That requires Sam Adams to get back to form and either Gordon, Burton, McKinley, or Thomas to step up and take over the DT role next to him.
Yeah ... but you gotta give them an 'A' for effort: Dan Wilkinson, Jimmy Kennedy, Sam Adams, Marcus Thomas, flirting with Kris Jenkins. They definitely tried. I'm not thrilled with Gordon, but then again I'm no expert. I guess we have to trust Bates.

Steve Prefontaine
09-04-2007, 05:21 PM
Yeah ... but you gotta give them an 'A' for effort: Dan Wilkinson, Jimmy Kennedy, Sam Adams, Marcus Thomas, flirting with Kris Jenkins. They definitely tried. I'm not thrilled with Gordon, but then again I'm no expert. I guess we have to trust Bates.
Speaking of Amon Gordon. Is there any chance that he is decent? He had 2 sacks in the Cleveland game, but I think both of them were due to the QB being flushed to him by a DE. I also know that Kaylore and SoCal thought he was doing pretty well during TC.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 09:01 PM
When you say back on top Bronco fans are thinking Super Bowl titles while your happy at winning division titles...you can have those..we'll take the Lombardi Trophy :thumbs:
Keep on livin those glory days. You ain done **** since Elway quit. And you never will.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 09:03 PM
Thanks for keeping the seats warm for us. We're ready to be back on top. It makes me laugh how Charger fans get a little bit of success and become arrogant as he**. 2-3 years from now and you'll probably be cellar dwellers again.
In 2-3 years we've still got the same starting roster all locked up. THAT is why Bolt fans are arrogant as hell. We've got a great team. And we've got 'em for a long, LONG time.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 09:04 PM
If LT ever goes down there as good as done..what would there O be without him??
It's obvious from this, you either a) don't know much about football, or b) just know nothing about your opponents.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 09:06 PM
NW Bolt Fan.....a little scared?

go put your diaper on...
Are you a donk fan, or a turd fan? This "genius" insult indicates an IQ closer to turd fans. So, which is it?

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 09:09 PM
Considering Denver was in the AFC game a couple of seasons ago, and you guys have not even gotten a sniff despite your stars, we know we'll be back on top soon, too bad for you guys that your days were wasted by LOUSY coaching decisions. Leave it to you guys to figure out how to waste a team that could have been there 2 to 3 times by now. You are now beginning your decent to mediocrity...in 3 yrs you will probably be looking up at all of the AFW...too bad, I would rather the Raiders or KC take that spot (however, you can take solace on KC keeping the germinator as their coach).

More glory days. And some that weren't so glorious. Why would you bring up the point of making the conference championship game only to be blown out? We both know the end result was the same as San Diego's that season- short of the ultimate goal.

And I'm pretty sure you're aware of our roster. In 3 years we'll only be better.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 09:11 PM
Imagine Shanahan with the SD roster of the last 2 years.
And this begs the question, which came first, the Elway or the Shanahan?

I will give you this: Shanahan has fleeced NFL teams (redskins in particular) better than any modern GM. However, many of his personnel decisions are equally blunderous.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 09:13 PM
You sir are an idiot. Go look at his production over the last few years and yes last year he was injured....it happens.
You sir, are a homer. He's a pass rusher. He can't stop the run.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 09:14 PM
You got that right. Fair weather fans.

Pretty sure I was on THIS board before you too.

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2007, 09:20 PM
Keep on livin those glory days. You ain done **** since Elway quit. And you never will.
You're right. We're doomed to wander the NFL ghetto land for the life of the franchise...LOL...maybe we'll never have another winning season.

Dude...you don't know jack about football, and you're a bandwagon jumper who probably never went to a Charger game before LT got there. Go back and check the records of NFL championsip winners over time and you'll discover plenty of time between championships more often than not. You'll also see that most great coaches won titles with a single QB, so your argument is absurd.

The real question you ought to be asking is this; will you even have a team in 3 years? I make it even money you don't.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 09:36 PM
You're right. We're doomed to wander the NFL ghetto land for the life of the franchise...LOL...maybe we'll never have another winning season.

Dude...you don't know jack about football, and you're a bandwagon jumper who probably never went to a Charger game before LT got there. Go back and check the records of NFL championsip winners over time and you'll discover plenty of time between championships more often than not. You'll also see that most great coaches won titles with a single QB, so your argument is absurd.

The real question you ought to be asking is this; will you even have a team in 3 years? I make it even money you don't.
You're RIGHT! You got me. I jumped on the bandwagon in '03 after our stellar season. I probably know more about the donks than you do, let alone the Bolts. And by your own admission, it would seem you ARE IN FACT DOOMED until you get someone who resembles Elway. Is Cutler the guy? That's rhetorical BTW.

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2007, 09:51 PM
You're RIGHT! You got me. I jumped on the bandwagon in '03 after our stellar season. I probably know more about the donks than you do, let alone the Bolts. And by your own admission, it would seem you ARE IN FACT DOOMED until you get someone who resembles Elway. Is Cutler the guy? That's rhetorical BTW.
You've won nothing, and you've proven nothing. Do you think you're the first team in the NFL to get lucky enough to draft some good players?

Wait till you get a load of how bad Norv Turner really is...Martyball is going to look great in a few weeks.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 10:07 PM
You've won nothing, and you've proven nothing. Do you think you're the first team in the NFL to get lucky enough to draft some good players?

Wait till you get a load of how bad Norv Turner really is...Martyball is going to look great in a few weeks.

Some? Lucky enough to draft SOME good players? Listen footsteps, the donks are always competitive. Shanahan is a stellar offensive mind. And I would in fact prefer to have him as our HC over Norv. However, I'm pretty sure I won't be wishing for Martyball. Besides, the real question is what Cottrell does with the D, more than what Norv does.

Why do you think the donks signed SO MANY players this offseason? Bowlen and Shanahan aren't stupid. They realize how outclassed they are. And further, Shanny realizes probably better than anyone if your QB ain't got it, you ain't got much of a chance.

If Cutler is the real deal, then you'll be respectable. If not, it gets much, MUCH worse than it was last year. And I do speak from experience here. I was around, much to my own dismay, through the Leaf years, both before and after. I was around for the Whelihans, Salisburys, Kramers. I know what a difference Humphries made.

Regardless, the Bolts are the class of the division, and the donks will be hard pressed not to get swept again- not only this season- but for the next several. Like 5 or more.

Popps
09-04-2007, 10:10 PM
Keep on livin those glory days. You ain done **** since Elway quit. And you never will.

Oh yea??!! Well, you ain't done **** since.... umm...... wait....... hold on..... it'll come to me.....

theAPAOps5
09-04-2007, 10:12 PM
Keep on livin those glory days. You ain done **** since Elway quit. And you never will.

Never will! Ha that is funny. Pretty arrogant coming off that stellar home playoff loss last year! Great regular season wins last year. Too bad thats where it ended.

Cito Pelon
09-04-2007, 10:17 PM
Speaking of Amon Gordon. Is there any chance that he is decent? He had 2 sacks in the Cleveland game, but I think both of them were due to the QB being flushed to him by a DE. I also know that Kaylore and SoCal thought he was doing pretty well during TC.

I thought the deal was with the DT's that they were supposed to do just that - let the DE's create movement, but hold ground in the passing lanes, then disengage from the blocks and cleanup after the QB was flushed. On running downs I thought the deal with the DT's was to not only hold ground but to engage another blocker and disrupt the path to the LB. Grunt work.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 10:23 PM
Oh yea??!! Well, you ain't done **** since.... umm...... wait....... hold on..... it'll come to me.....
Don't worry, it'll come to you around Feb. 3, 08. When SD wins the SB.

BroncoInferno
09-04-2007, 10:25 PM
Keep on livin those glory days. You ain done **** since Elway quit. And you never will.

You know something...you're right. I mean, that AFC West title and AFC Championship Game appearance were utterly meaningless. I can console myself with the fact that, by that standard, the Chargers have not done anything even remotely meaningful since Stan Humphries was lining up behind center ROFL!

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 10:25 PM
Never will! Ha that is funny. Pretty arrogant coming off that stellar home playoff loss last year! Great regular season wins last year. Too bad thats where it ended.
Yep, very disappointing. About the only solace was in sweeping the donks.

footstepsfrom#27
09-04-2007, 10:27 PM
Why do you think the donks signed SO MANY players this offseason? Bowlen and Shanahan aren't stupid. They realize how outclassed they are. And further, Shanny realizes probably better than anyone if your QB ain't got it, you ain't got much of a chance.
Dude you're like a kid with a new toy he's never seen before on Christmas...OOOHHH! We're winning some GAMES NOW! COOL!...Get a clue...Shanahan has made it a habit to sign free agents every year. As for being outclassed...YOU were swept by US in 2005...just in case you forgot. Just because you beat Jake the Mistake and Cuter with one game under his belt...you suddenly think you own us? Pffffftttt...Hilarious!
Regardless, the Bolts are the class of the division, and the donks will be hard pressed not to get swept again- not only this season- but for the next several. Like 5 or more.
You're a complete moron if you think you're going to sweep us for the next 5 years. What's your record in Denver? Hint...it sucks...you're 2-6 in the post-Elway era on our turf. I can't wait to see if you fairweather "fans" will even have the stones to show up in here after a loss.

theAPAOps5
09-04-2007, 10:27 PM
Yep, very disappointing. About the only solace was in sweeping the donks.

Well if thats your superbowl then so be it. Pretty sad expectations for you guys I would say.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 10:30 PM
Who said anything about that being "our" superbowl. I said it was solace. SB comes soon.

Cito Pelon
09-04-2007, 10:30 PM
You're RIGHT! You got me. I jumped on the bandwagon in '03 after our stellar season. I probably know more about the donks than you do, let alone the Bolts. And by your own admission, it would seem you ARE IN FACT DOOMED until you get someone who resembles Elway. Is Cutler the guy? That's rhetorical BTW.

It's interesting that the Seattle Seahawks, a team that joined the League in 1976 have what, four times as many playoff wins as the Chargers, an original AFC team?

Give it a rest, lad. Please, let your team do the talking first.

theAPAOps5
09-04-2007, 10:34 PM
Who said anything about that being "our" superbowl. I said it was solace. SB comes soon.

SB does come soon but your team will be in its usual spot...........watching.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 10:48 PM
It's interesting that the Seattle Seahawks, a team that joined the League in 1976 have what, four times as many playoff wins as the Chargers, an original AFC team?

Give it a rest, lad. Please, let your team do the talking first.
Yep, beat them last year too. BTW 4x our victories is BS.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 10:50 PM
SB does come soon but your team will be in its usual spot...........watching.Only the replay of our victory.

theAPAOps5
09-04-2007, 10:52 PM
Only the replay of our victory.

Well I will be here when that doesn't happen. With all the smack you have been spouting I doubt you will have any balls to show your face around when Norv does his magic.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 10:57 PM
I'll be here, win or lose. Doubt away.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2007, 11:02 PM
The Chargers are the lamest franchise in the AFC West.

At least the Chefs can claim some sort of history, as distant as it is. The Raiders can claim that they have a tiny bit of history and some interesting fans. The Chargers just...kinda...are.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:10 PM
The Chargers are the lamest franchise in the AFC West.

At least the Chefs can claim some sort of history, as distant as it is. The Raiders can claim that they have a tiny bit of history and some interesting fans. The Chargers just...kinda...are now ruling the west.
Fixed it for you. That might be the lamest post. Ever. You've never won the Lombardi... neener neener. AFL championships don't count.... C'mon. Come up with something that hasn't been rehashed a zillion times- I've heard 'em all, over and over and over...

Glory days. Keep on livin in 'em. It'll be about all you can cling to this year. Except Simeon Rice, who'll no doubt turn around the donks and propel your average team back into a top team.

Archer81
09-04-2007, 11:11 PM
Keep on livin those glory days. You ain done **** since Elway quit. And you never will.


Hmm...how many playoff wins have you had in the last 10 years...no worries...I'll wait.


:Broncos:

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:12 PM
Hmm...how many playoff wins have you had in the last 10 years...no worries...I'll wait.


:Broncos:
Fortunately for you, you won't have to wait long.

Archer81
09-04-2007, 11:14 PM
Yep, very disappointing. About the only solace was in sweeping the donks.


No AFC West team has won back to back division titles since oakland in 2001/2002. You have a coach now that is not only a horrible coach, but historically horrible. But, on the bright side...you do have spiffy "new" uniforms...


:Broncos:

Archer81
09-04-2007, 11:15 PM
Fortunately for you, you won't have to wait long.


Thats your answer? Jesus dude thats lame. Do you even remember the last time SD won a playoff game? 1994? I was 13 then, how old were you?


:Broncos:

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:20 PM
No AFC West team has won back to back division titles since oakland in 2001/2002. You have a coach now that is not only a horrible coach, but historically horrible. But, on the bright side...you do have spiffy "new" uniforms...


:Broncos:Trends are made to be broken. Ask Michigan about that.

Archer81
09-04-2007, 11:21 PM
Trends are made to be broken. Ask Michigan about that.


Some things never change, like death, paying taxes and san diego tanking in January...


:Broncos:

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:23 PM
Thats your answer? Jesus dude thats lame. Do you even remember the last time SD won a playoff game? 1994? I was 13 then, how old were you?


:Broncos:
Yeah, I remember. I remember beating Pittsburgh in PA, after coming from behind 21-0 to the fins the week before.

Your chink in our armor is because Norv is the coach? I really don't see how that's different than Marty being the coach. If you were 13 when the Bolts went to the SB, what do you really know about Norv? I was 22.

DenverBrit
09-04-2007, 11:24 PM
Fortunately for you, you won't have to wait long.

Unlike SD fans who have waited ....how long since SD won a playoff game...let alone a SB??
You're a typical bandwagon fan, all mouth and nothing.......absolutely nothing to back it up.
Last year...14-2. Tell us again what your team did with its 13 pro-bowlers and home field advantage?? Nothing, as usual!!!
Are you going to give us another Miss Cleo response:
"It's all in the future, you'll see." Hilarious! :clown:
Great town, but the worst bandwagon fans in the league.:bandwagon

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:24 PM
Some things never change, like death, paying taxes and san diego tanking in January...


:Broncos:

Classic. Joke recycling. Word.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:27 PM
Unlike SD fans who have waited ....how long since SD won a playoff game...let alone a SB??
You're a typical bandwagon fan, all mouth and nothing.......absolutely nothing to back it up.
Last year...14-2. Tell us again what your team did with its 13 pro-bowlers and home field advantage?? Nothing, as usual!!!
Are you going to give us another Miss Cleo response:
"It's all in the future, you'll see." Hilarious! :clown:
Great town, but the worst bandwagon fans in the league.:bandwagon

You know nothing. You lob the "yur a bandwagon fan" because you think it's clever. Meanwhile you reinforce the notion that your reading comprehension is a bit lacking, when I've already pointed out a couple times in this thread I was on THIS board following our STELLAR 2002 season. Denver DEFINITELY knows about bandwagon fans.

DenverBrit
09-04-2007, 11:33 PM
You know nothing. You lob the "yur a bandwagon fan" because you think it's clever. Meanwhile you reinforce the notion that your reading comprehension is a bit lacking, when I've already pointed out a couple times in this thread I was on THIS board following our STELLAR 2002 season. Denver DEFINITELY knows about bandwagon fans.

No, I don't lob the 'yur (sic) a bandwagon fan' because it's clever.
It's because it's true. As for my reading comprehension being lacking, I know sophomoric, bandwagon rhetoric when I see it.

Archer81
09-04-2007, 11:38 PM
Yeah, I remember. I remember beating Pittsburgh in PA, after coming from behind 21-0 to the fins the week before.

Your chink in our armor is because Norv is the coach? I really don't see how that's different than Marty being the coach. If you were 13 when the Bolts went to the SB, what do you really know about Norv? I was 22.


Norv has been to the playoffs one time. In 1999. Marty was a solid, fundemental football HC, which is probably the better approach with a younger team. Norv has shown an inability to discipline his teams, which does cost them down the stretch.

There is other issues, you lack a true #1 or #2 WR, your QB had a noticeable decline in the 2nd half of the season, might have been fatigue, which he should have fixed this offseason. Also hard to repeat what LT did last year he is a fantastic running back but to pop off another 30+ touchdowns would be hard to do again in a single season. You lost experience at ILB, and your corners are suspect, as are your safeties. I think that sums it up. SD is also a schitzo team, they could go 14-2 again...or they could go 8-8. At any rate, excited for this season. Should be a good one for both teams.




:Broncos:

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:40 PM
No, I don't lob the 'yur (sic) a bandwagon fan' because it's clever.
It's because it's true. As for my reading comprehension being lacking, I know sophomoric, bandwagon rhetoric when I see it.
Since there's really no way to disprove my "sophomoric bandwagoning rhetoric," I'll just chalk you up to a newbee donk fan basking in past glories. Since your join date is '05, clearly you just became a fan. Yur a mongoloid. :thumbsup: Speakin' your at your level, yes?

ohiobronco2
09-04-2007, 11:47 PM
You know nothing. You lob the "yur a bandwagon fan" because you think it's clever. Meanwhile you reinforce the notion that your reading comprehension is a bit lacking, when I've already pointed out a couple times in this thread I was on THIS board following our STELLAR 2002 season. Denver DEFINITELY knows about bandwagon fans.

What was so STELLAR about it? Did it end with you guys hoisting the Lombardi Trophy? Wow, it's amazing what passes for success in Charger land. I have no problem with you being confident, but to be such a flat out arrogant jacka** like you have been on this board is down right comical. Your franchise has won absolutely nothing. Congrats you guys look great this year and may contend for the superbowl, but there are no guarantees in this game. All you've done is set yourself up for failure and open to criticism, good luck with that.

Archer81
09-04-2007, 11:48 PM
SD was horrible in 2002.


:Broncos:

DenverBrit
09-04-2007, 11:48 PM
Since there's really no way to disprove my "sophomoric bandwagoning rhetoric," I'll just chalk you up to a newbee donk fan basking in past glories. Since your join date is '05, clearly you just became a fan. Yur a mongoloid. :thumbsup: Speakin' your at your level, yes?

You think that my join date on this board means I'm a bandwagon fan??
You really aren't the brightest bulb are you?
You, on the other hand, write and troll like a bandwagon fan.
Oh, and your Mongoloid comment simply reinforces what a childish jerk you are.
Prove my point with another of your kiddie taunts.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:52 PM
Norv has been to the playoffs one time. In 1999. Marty was a solid, fundemental football HC, which is probably the better approach with a younger team. Norv has shown an inability to discipline his teams, which does cost them down the stretch.

There is other issues, you lack a true #1 or #2 WR, your QB had a noticeable decline in the 2nd half of the season, might have been fatigue, which he should have fixed this offseason. Also hard to repeat what LT did last year he is a fantastic running back but to pop off another 30+ touchdowns would be hard to do again in a single season. You lost experience at ILB, and your corners are suspect, as are your safeties. I think that sums it up. SD is also a schitzo team, they could go 14-2 again...or they could go 8-8. At any rate, excited for this season. Should be a good one for both teams.




:Broncos:Norv is 1-1 in the playoffs. Marty is/was like 5/13 or something atrocious like that. I do agree Norv doesn't appear to have much of a bark. How much of that were meddling owners (Snyder bought the team during Turner's tenure, obviously there's big Al), and how much was Norv's inability will be revealed soon enough. While I'm admitting things, Norv doesn't spark the greatest of confidence in me, though I'm relatively confident the entire team wants it so bad, it really doesn't matter who coaches us... As I've said before, I'm more worried about what Cottrell will do with the defense than I am with the offense.

As for lacking a true #1, or #2, first I'd point to Gates. Then I'd point to Jackson, and if you're from Colorado, then you probably already know what I'm talking about. He's in his 3rd year. The rookie Davis apparently has looked good. I'm a little bummed about Parker, but he ought to be back in the mix around mid-season. Then there's Floyd, who showed quite a bit last year if he can stay healthy. Regardless of all that, even when we didn't have a "true" #1, or #2, we were still far and away the best offense in the leauge, and things remain the same.

Call me crazy, but I actually think LT will have another big, BIG season. For him to have 30+ TDs again would be insane, but I actually think it's possible. Wish I could have drafted him in my fantasy leauge. And while I'm at fantasy football, I'm not completely down on the donks, but I do like messing with some of the easy risers in here. I drafted Henry and Walker in my league and the only Bolt I got was Rivers. BTW, the so called slump he had sure wasn't apparent in the playoffs. Dude played one of the best games I've seen out of him. Wideouts, coaching, and other bonehead errors did him no favors.

I think the Donks have a good team, but it sure doesn't sound great on D. And the O-line is just too old for me to have tons of confidence in them. And I think Cutler is going to be a stud. Hate to admit that, but I really do feel that way. If your defense can pull it together, who knows. I know Denver's never been a gimmee. At least since I've been a fan.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:55 PM
What was so STELLAR about it? Did it end with you guys hoisting the Lombardi Trophy? Wow, it's amazing what passes for success in Charger land. I have no problem with you being confident, but to be such a flat out arrogant jacka** like you have been on this board is down right comical. Your franchise has won absolutely nothing. Congrats you guys look great this year and may contend for the superbowl, but there are no guarantees in this game. All you've done is set yourself up for failure and open to criticism, good luck with that.mmmm SARCASM.

ohiobronco2
09-04-2007, 11:58 PM
SD was horrible in 2002.


:Broncos:

2001-2002 SD 8-8.
2002-2003 SD 4-12.

Sorry, hard to know which season he is referencing. Still banking that he won't be on here talking smack after another early postseason exist this year. He's been here since 2002 and doesn't even have 500 posts. Guarantee there is a correlation between his post count frequency and Charger success, just like all the other trolls on here and their respective teams.

NW Bolt Fan
09-04-2007, 11:58 PM
You think that my join date on this board means I'm a bandwagon fan??
You really aren't the brightest bulb are you?
You, on the other hand, write and troll like a bandwagon fan.
Oh, and your Mongoloid comment simply reinforces what a childish jerk you are.
Prove my point with another of your kiddie taunts.
I'll go ahead and apologize to you and any other posters who took me too seriously. However, when assign "bandwagon" to someone, then ask if then imply they're "not the smartest bulb," yet conclude with what a childish jerk I am, it's hard not to get your goat.

I have plenty of donk fan friends. I've taken them to a few Bolts games. Mixed results. :D Anyhow, to you, and anyone else who took it too seriously, I apologize.

NW Bolt Fan
09-05-2007, 12:03 AM
2001-2002 SD 8-8.
2002-2003 SD 4-12.

Sorry, hard to know which season he is referencing. Still banking that he won't be on here talking smack after another early postseason exist this year. He's been here since 2002 and doesn't even have 500 posts. Guarantee there is a correlation between his post count frequency and Charger success, just like all the other trolls on here and their respective teams.

What can you guarantee since you weren't here until '06? I came on this board originally debating with several posters over who'd become the better wideout: Reche Caldwell, or Ashlie Lelie. Look how that turned out- for ALL OF US.

Taco John came over to the Charger board I was at at the time. He lived in the Couv, WA. I was PDX, OR. I don't even know if he still runs this board... FTR, I don't post here all the time, but I ALWAYS come back. And, if we win or lose, I'll show up, just like I have in the past, and say congrats, good game, or we look forward to kicking your ass again.

Archer81
09-05-2007, 12:05 AM
Norv is 1-1 in the playoffs. Marty is/was like 5/13 or something atrocious like that. I do agree Norv doesn't appear to have much of a bark. How much of that were meddling owners (Snyder bought the team during Turner's tenure, obviously there's big Al), and how much was Norv's inability will be revealed soon enough. While I'm admitting things, Norv doesn't spark the greatest of confidence in me, though I'm relatively confident the entire team wants it so bad, it really doesn't matter who coaches us... As I've said before, I'm more worried about what Cottrell will do with the defense than I am with the offense.

As for lacking a true #1, or #2, first I'd point to Gates. Then I'd point to Jackson, and if you're from Colorado, then you probably already know what I'm talking about. He's in his 3rd year. The rookie Davis apparently has looked good. I'm a little bummed about Parker, but he ought to be back in the mix around mid-season. Then there's Floyd, who showed quite a bit last year if he can stay healthy. Regardless of all that, even when we didn't have a "true" #1, or #2, we were still far and away the best offense in the leauge, and things remain the same.

Call me crazy, but I actually think LT will have another big, BIG season. For him to have 30+ TDs again would be insane, but I actually think it's possible. Wish I could have drafted him in my fantasy leauge. And while I'm at fantasy football, I'm not completely down on the donks, but I do like messing with some of the easy risers in here. I drafted Henry and Walker in my league and the only Bolt I got was Rivers. BTW, the so called slump he had sure wasn't apparent in the playoffs. Dude played one of the best games I've seen out of him. Wideouts, coaching, and other bonehead errors did him no favors.

I think the Donks have a good team, but it sure doesn't sound great on D. And the O-line is just too old for me to have tons of confidence in them. And I think Cutler is going to be a stud. Hate to admit that, but I really do feel that way. If your defense can pull it together, who knows. I know Denver's never been a gimmee. At least since I've been a fan.


Good summation. I would not necessarily call Gates a WR, but considering your offense he counts as your first receiving option. What I meant is that your WR's do not scare anyone; which makes LT's accomplishments truely remarkable. Rivers did slump, which I think was because of fatigue, week off before the playoff game did him alot of good. As for Norv...1 playoff season in 7 tries, and a .400 win % is an issue.

As for the Broncos, the defense has the makings of a good one. It will depend alot on how the new pieces fit. We have the best secondary in the NFL. Our issue is our front four, I expect the defense to struggle early, then gel later. Offensively, Its hard to tell, Jay has to remain patient, realize he is not at Vanderbilt, trust his coaches and offensive weapons. Our offensive line will be better simply because Lepsis is back, and we have more size/strength and consistency on the right side. We will never have a tubby o line, but with Henry...I don think they need to be all that beefy. I expect Walker to do things WR's like Rice and Moss have done. His focus is hard to explain but he will be more than worth the 2nd round pick we gave up for him.

I think Denver and San Diego will split the series this season. The division will not be decided until week 16 or 17.

:Broncos:

DenverBrit
09-05-2007, 12:07 AM
I'll go ahead and apologize to you and any other posters who took me too seriously. However, when assign "bandwagon" to someone, then ask if then imply they're "not the smartest bulb," yet conclude with what a childish jerk I am, it's hard not to get your goat.

I have plenty of donk fan friends. I've taken them to a few Bolts games. Mixed results. :D Anyhow, to you, and anyone else who took it too seriously, I apologize.

Your apology is accepted. You now sound like a good guy. :thumbs:

theAPAOps5
09-05-2007, 12:11 AM
I'll go ahead and apologize to you and any other posters who took me too seriously. However, when assign "bandwagon" to someone, then ask if then imply they're "not the smartest bulb," yet conclude with what a childish jerk I am, it's hard not to get your goat.

I have plenty of donk fan friends. I've taken them to a few Bolts games. Mixed results. :D Anyhow, to you, and anyone else who took it too seriously, I apologize.

Man now I have to read your stuff as it all of a sudden got decent. Keep this side up as I like insightful opposition posts.

NW Bolt Fan
09-05-2007, 12:18 AM
Good summation. I would not necessarily call Gates a WR, but considering your offense he counts as your first receiving option. What I meant is that your WR's do not scare anyone; which makes LT's accomplishments truely remarkable. Rivers did slump, which I think was because of fatigue, week off before the playoff game did him alot of good. As for Norv...1 playoff season in 7 tries, and a .400 win % is an issue.

As for the Broncos, the defense has the makings of a good one. It will depend alot on how the new pieces fit. We have the best secondary in the NFL. Our issue is our front four, I expect the defense to struggle early, then gel later. Offensively, Its hard to tell, Jay has to remain patient, realize he is not at Vanderbilt, trust his coaches and offensive weapons. Our offensive line will be better simply because Lepsis is back, and we have more size/strength and consistency on the right side. We will never have a tubby o line, but with Henry...I don think they need to be all that beefy. I expect Walker to do things WR's like Rice and Moss have done. His focus is hard to explain but he will be more than worth the 2nd round pick we gave up for him.

I think Denver and San Diego will split the series this season. The division will not be decided until week 16 or 17.

:Broncos:Rivers stats weren't all that great towards the end of the season for a number of reasons, starting wideouts were out, opponents we played, etc. I still don't think he "slumped". But it will play itself out this year. HOPEFULLY he doesn't follow up his first year starting the way Brees did (which resulted in Rivers acquisition), when I've never seen someone play as poorly as Brees did. Not even Leaf. Gates has been lining up outside all through TC. I actually really wanted him on my fantasy team this year for that reason.

Like I said, I took Walker. Loved that guy coming out of college and wasn't all that surprised he was taken as early as he was. I was mortified when you guys traded for him. One of the "fleeces" I spoke of earlier. As for your O-line, if Lepsis, Nalen, etc. stay healthy, then I agree, you shouldn't have too many problems on O.

If the defense does indeed take awhile to gel, it could be troublesome for you guys. While you get a cake schedule early with lots of time at home, you finish with 6 of 9 on the road! Brutal. I'm also still not real convinced with your personnel. Losing Williams was huge, cause I thought that kid was gonna really be something. Also why I argued much earlier in the offseason that getting Bly was no more than a wash. Bailey is the best CB in the league. No one else is even close. But Lynch is essentially a LB, I don't know off the top of my head who your other safety is... At LB losing Wilson is HUGE! I like DJ, but I've read on here how he doesn't really fit the bill at the Mike. Losing Webster can't have helped much. In the end, your LB's are fast, but small, and unless your D-line keeps them clean (which I don't think they can do, again, losing Ekuban hurts) then they'll get run over.

I do agree, should make a great season. It's been a long time- maybe never- since SD has been loaded like they are.

TheDave
09-05-2007, 12:18 AM
I have to admit it's fun watching Dolt fan act like they are the current NFL powerhouse... It's actually kind of cute. :)

I also have to admit this team has a scary amount of talent... at some positions. Like it or not, being very thin/suspect at DB, WR, S, and Coaching is a problem. The wholesale changes in coaching are enough to put me at ease. Having a secondary that allowed Jake Plummer to look like a pro-bowler puts me even more at ease. Hopefully your weaknesses at WR will allow us to stack the line... I know it will against KC, but they don't have rivers.

As for Rivers... who knows. He has a fairly weak arm but is deadly accurate. Let's see how teams adjust now that there is a season of film on him. Brian Greise looked like a stud after his first year. Then everyone figured out to defend the dump-off pass... so much for looking special. I'm not saying Greise is as good as Rivers but they do have some physical similarities.

End result...I'm real happy the season is starting and we find out who can backup their smack.

NW Bolt Fan
09-05-2007, 12:24 AM
Your apology is accepted. You now sound like a good guy. :thumbs:
Gracias. I never really meant to come across like a dick. As TheDave pointed out, how often do Bolt fans get to talk ****?

Besides, donk fans are on the good side of the 90/10 rule. 90% of the fans are cool, 10% are serious assholes. When this rule is applied to turd fans, it gets closer to 50/50. Particularly @ the game. :laugh:

NW Bolt Fan
09-05-2007, 12:32 AM
I have to admit it's fun watching Dolt fan act like they are the current NFL powerhouse... It's actually kind of cute. :)

I also have to admit this team has a scary amount of talent... at some positions. Like it or not, being very thin/suspect at DB, WR, S, and Coaching is a problem. The wholesale changes in coaching are enough to put me at ease. Having a secondary that allowed Jake Plummer to look like a pro-bowler puts me even more at ease. Hopefully your weaknesses at WR will allow us to stack the line... I know it will against KC, but they don't have rivers.

As for Rivers... who knows. He has a fairly weak arm but is deadly accurate. Let's see how teams adjust now that there is a season of film on him. Brian Greise looked like a stud after his first year. Then everyone figured out to defend the dump-off pass... so much for looking special. I'm not saying Greise is as good as Rivers but they do have some physical similarities.

End result...I'm real happy the season is starting and we find out who can backup their smack.Thin/suspect at DB, WR? Dude, our DB's are solid. The corners haven't had solid safety help in... forever, which may or may not have been remedied with McCree in the system another year, the "improvement" of Clinton Hart, and the drafting of Weddle. But the corners are solid. Florence will get big money somewhere and be a stud. Jammer is not flashy- at all, but is pretty consistent and tackles like none other. Cromartie (1st round pick last year) is supposed to be good, and seems to be a pretty decent option at nickel.

As for the coaching, well, that seems to be the consensus knock on SD, so we'll see. Comparing Rivers to Griese? C'mon. Rivers is a STUD. He is far from having played his best ball. Dude is motivated, a leader, and the players around him like him- unlike Griese. And unlike Griese, he not only threw the check off passes with ACCURACY, but also the intermediate AND deep routes.

It's like saying, well, Jay Cutler is a lot like Jeff George. Strong arm. Smart guy. But just doesn't have that "it".

TheDave
09-05-2007, 12:49 AM
Thin/suspect at DB, WR? Dude, our DB's are solid. The corners haven't had solid safety help in... forever, which may or may not have been remedied with McCree in the system another year, the "improvement" of Clinton Hart, and the drafting of Weddle. But the corners are solid. Florence will get big money somewhere and be a stud. Jammer is not flashy- at all, but is pretty consistent and tackles like none other. Cromartie (1st round pick last year) is supposed to be good, and seems to be a pretty decent option at nickel.

If that's what gets you to sleep at night... good for you. Your entire secondary is suspect. That's whay teams were able to pad their stats. I don't see it improving, but we will see starting Sunday.

As for the coaching, well, that seems to be the consensus knock on SD, so we'll see.

It's a fair knock it will cost you games... how many remains the question.


Comparing Rivers to Griese? C'mon. Rivers is a STUD. He is far from having played his best ball. Dude is motivated, a leader, and the players around him like him- unlike Griese. And unlike Griese, he not only threw the check off passes with ACCURACY, but also the intermediate AND deep routes.

It's like saying, well, Jay Cutler is a lot like Jeff George. Strong arm. Smart guy. But just doesn't have that "it".

My apologies for insinuating a comparison between the 2... BUT COMPARING CUTLER TO JEFF GEORGE IS SIMPLY UNFORGIVABLE. ;)

Trust me I'm not comparing "14" to Rivers. Roadkill has more heart than 14 ever will. On the other hand, they do posses physical similarities. Unless you make teams pay for crowding the line they will simply keep everything in front of them and force you to put together 12+ play drives. Been there / Done that...and it's not fun.

Your season is going to hinge on how well rivers adjusts. Teams will now spend 60% of their time trying to stop LT and the rest will be spent exploiting Rivers weaknesses. Personally i don't believe he will... Then again i also thought SD made a mistake not drafting Michael Vick.

Broncos_OTM
09-05-2007, 12:54 AM
I was quoting the post about him "holding the LOS". Precisely why I said, "one trick pony." He can rush the passer- you now have, like 13 of those guys.

The thing is the DE is asked to align wide. get upfield and put pressure on the QB. his second responseability will be play the run. which he can do.

We got a GREAT player for this scheme. Your qb will fill the heat. were comeing to play football this year.

Broncos_OTM
09-05-2007, 12:59 AM
Keep on livin those glory days. You ain done **** since Elway quit. And you never will.

To be fair we have gotten just as far with plummer as you have with your star studded team. Remember 2 years ago we made the AFCCG How many Trophies do you have again.

NW Bolt Fan
09-05-2007, 01:10 AM
If that's what gets you to sleep at night... good for you. Your entire secondary is suspect. That's whay teams were able to pad their stats. I don't see it improving, but we will see starting Sunday. I believe it was more because they were playing catch up and/or becasue they couldn't run, therefore they passed many more times against us than other defenses. We weren't as solid as say, Balitmore, but we were solid. If we don't improve, it'll be a disappointment.



It's a fair knock it will cost you games... how many remains the question.
If we trade regular season victories for some post season ones, I'm all for it. I know we won't be any WORSE in the post season with Norv than we were with Marty- assuming we make it. And don't bother responding, "it may cost you enough to miss the playoffs," becasue if that happens I will totally and completely agree, in that case the coaching change was a debacle of immeasurable degrees.



My apologies for insinuating a comparison between the 2... BUT COMPARING CUTLER TO JEFF GEORGE IS SIMPLY UNFORGIVABLE. ;) Sorry, couldn't resist.


Trust me I'm not comparing "14" to Rivers. Roadkill has more heart than 14 ever will. On the other hand, they do posses physical similarities. Unless you make teams pay for crowding the line they will simply keep everything in front of them and force you to put together 12+ play drives. Been there / Done that...and it's not fun.

Your season is going to hinge on how well rivers adjusts. Teams will now spend 60% of their time trying to stop LT and the rest will be spent exploiting Rivers weaknesses. Personally i don't believe he will... Then again i also thought SD made a mistake not drafting Michael Vick.
When DIDN'T teams spend 60% of their time stopping LT? That's nothing new. In fact, to start the season, the mantra was, stop LT, make Rivers beat us. Then he did. Then LT REALLY started ripping it up. Rivers is a stud. I first found that out betting against him when he was at NC State. I vividly remember the game because it was the last of a 6 team parlay that would have payed HUGE. Dude can ball. On that subject, I honestly think Cutler will be a star too. I hope he isn't, but fear he will be. If he does, I think we'll be privy to years and years of Rivers v. Cutler matchups. Cutler's got the arm, but Rivers is no slouch, and he gets rid of the ball fast even if he can't wait quite as long to thread the needle.

NW Bolt Fan
09-05-2007, 01:11 AM
The thing is the DE is asked to align wide. get upfield and put pressure on the QB. his second responseability will be play the run. which he can do.

We got a GREAT player for this scheme. Your qb will fill the heat. were comeing to play football this year. Not if he lines up against left tackle. He'll have a good day against Olivea more than likely, but not against McNeil.

I'm audi.

NW Bolt Fan
09-05-2007, 01:13 AM
To be fair we have gotten just as far with plummer as you have with your star studded team. Remember 2 years ago we made the AFCCG How many Trophies do you have again.
The star studded team is young, AND locked up to be Chargers for a long, long, time. If by some chance we don't win the SB this year, we'll be right in it for a real long time.

Hasta.

HitEmCold
09-05-2007, 01:17 AM
Rice sacking Gannon.......nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qSULXDHZs

Broncos_OTM
09-05-2007, 01:23 AM
The star studded team is young, AND locked up to be Chargers for a long, long, time. If by some chance we don't win the SB this year, we'll be right in it for a real long time.

Hasta.

The only thing i really envy from charger land is your talent scouts. and well you guys drafted so high for so many years sometimes its not that hard or is it matt millen?

thumpc
09-05-2007, 02:29 AM
:bronxrox: In 1991 Bruce Smith missed 11 games with an injury and had 1 1/2 sacks. The following year he notched 14. At age 33 Smith had 13 1/2 sacks and added another 60 before he retired.

Reggie White played 6 more years and also totaled another 60 sacks after his 11th season.

At 32 Michael Strahan had 18 1/2 sacks, got hurt for 8 games the next year and had only 4, then added 11 1/2 at age 34.

Kevin Greene had 61 sacks after age 33.

Simon Fletcher had his best year (16 sacks) at age 30.
:strong: Thanx for the research Footsteps! That gets me all warm and fuzzy.

Cito Pelon
09-05-2007, 10:49 PM
When all is said and done, I guess I just like Title Banners hanging in Mile High. I don't care what level of Title Banner they are, be it Div, Conf, or League, I want to see more of them.

lifeafter elway
09-05-2007, 11:06 PM
Don't worry, it'll come to you around Feb. 3, 08. When SD wins the SB.

I don't believe you. Dolts fans have no clue what a SB winning team looks like.

Broncos_OTM
09-05-2007, 11:10 PM
Not if he lines up against left tackle. He'll have a good day against Olivea more than likely, but not against McNeil.

I'm audi.

Guess you never heard the saying. Youth and Skill does not trump Age and tenacity

The MVPlaya
03-29-2010, 05:41 PM
0 sacks... lol bump