ESPN News just reported that Rice signed....

[Popcorn Sutton]

with Denver.

I can't find a link to back it up yet.

[NYBronc]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3003148

[SDBroncos]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3003148

[long beach bronco]

Just heard it too. Now we have a pass rush. Now lets get to business.

[ICON]

:egbgb: :kiss: ^5 :yayaya: :~ohyah!:

[davidtkd]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3003148

[Punisher]

YES!YES!bly,CHAMP,rice,moss,Adams,THE BIG 47 YES YES YES

[epicSocialism4tw]

Welcome to the Broncos, Simeon Rice.

[clint7]

Who would have thought back in '97 when they changed uniforms, that ten years later it would be the deciding factor for Simeon Rice becoming a Bronco. :~ohyah!:

[Popcorn Sutton]

I hope his shoulder really is okay. It will be interesting to see what the terms were.

[400HZ]

2007 Motto: **** Character!

[long beach bronco]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

[RMT]

I'm anxious to see the terms of the contract.

[Popcorn Sutton]

400HZ: 2007 Motto: **** Character!

Right, cuz Rice has been such a cancer. Lemme guess... you are one of the many posters on here that have spent time with Rice in the locker room.

[long beach bronco]

Character Issues? What is that..........who cares, sack that friggin QB.

[OrangeShadow]

wonder how much of a role lynch played

[tsiguy96]

2007 Motto: **** Character!

character doesnt help you win football games. but just ask merriman, steroids do :D

[Broncosfreak_56]

Hell yeah!

[Los Broncos]

Hell yes, lets go win some games.

[clint7]

I'm all for Rice being a Bronco!

I want Bates to go up to him on game day like that famous clip with Bill Cowher & Gregg Lloyd..."RUSH THE QUARTERBACK! RUSH THE QUARTERBACK!"

[NYBronc]

Who's gonna be dropped?

[RMT]

Who's gonna be dropped?

wouldn't it be something if the Broncos had a trade worked out for one of the RBs? then we wouldn't have to cut anyone loose.

[halfcreek]

Who's gonna be dropped?

Bell for draft choice

[epicSocialism4tw]

2007 Motto: **** Character!

...Says the Shawn Merriman fan...

[Dedhed]

I think this could wind up being as important as any offseason move we made. The line was looking awfully green. Talented, but green, and Rice is a player that always caught my eye. He's been as solid a playmaker as any player in the league over the last decade.

And all the character BS is nothing more than that. BS from people who don't know.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Thihs is the only "stop gap" type measure I can support. Rice has never missed a game till last year. Let's hope he can get into football shape in a hurry.

[dragondawg]

lynch finally was successful in recruiting someone

[BroncoStampede]

YES!!!! This guy is a hall of famer and DEs as old as him are still dominating throughout the league like Jason Taylor Trevor Pryce etc...

We havent had a defensive lineman as good as him for awhile now!!! GREAT move!!!!!!!!!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Excellent

[SpringStein]

So who gets cut? A RB? (Hall?) A TE? (Alexander?)

[ward63]

It is a good, solid patch to the weakest part of our team, till today. Hopefully he can give Jarvis and Elvis some pointers too.

[Bronx33]

:egbgb: :kiss: ^5 :yayaya: :~ohyah!:


I concur with a :thumbsup:

[HEAV]

character ... Bill Romonoski was a total A-hole. Yet teams he played for loved him and won.


While character is needed on a team, talent is also required. But you have to have a balance of good and bad.

Lynch, Bailey Nalen are leaders and character guys. They will balance out the lockerroom.

Also winning always helps the character of a team.

[2KBack]

What kind of character issues does Rice have? I don't remember hearing about him using banned substances or driving drunk.

[The MVPlaya]

1 year 3 mill...chance to make an extra 1 million based on performance...let's go!!

[Gcver2ver3]

I'm anxious to see the terms of the contract.

1 year.....3 Million guaranteed

what a friggin bargain...

i'm so stoked


btw...he can earn an extra mil for certain performance accomplishments

[RMT]

1 year.....3 Million guaranteed

what a friggin bargain...

i'm so stoked


btw...he can earn an extra mil for certain performance accomplishments

and if he performs, a 2-3 year deal would be nice.

[BroncoInferno]

Excellent move. And only a one year deal, so it doesn't tie us down for future seasons.

[Popcorn Sutton]

1 year 3 mill...chance to make an extra 1 million based on performance...let's go!!

Nice, we still have some wiggle room if necessary.

[Moon§hiner]

Nice to see this team making an effort to improve the roster any way that it can with the goal of getting to the big game instead of just standing pat and knowing that seats will be filled....unlike some fans teams that I will omit from mention...right Bob?

[55CrushEm]

1 year 3 mill...chance to make an extra 1 million based on performance...let's go!!

Yup....here's a link.....

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=97125&id=256

Funny.....Tampa Bay still had a standing $4.5 million offer to him....yet he takes the $3 million offer from Denver.....that at least says SOMETHING positive about his character.....

[footstepsfrom#27]

So who sits down? Engleberger? Elvis? Engleberger's got my vote.

[bpc]

Well, watching the preseason, it wasn't our pass rush which had problems. It seemed like that hit home. We couldn't effectively stop the run. That is going to determine our season.

[rovolution]

Yup....here's a link.....

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=97125&id=256

Funny.....Tampa Bay still had a standing $4.5 million offer to him....yet he takes the $3 million offer from Denver.....that at least says SOMETHING positive about his character.....

im sure the presence of Lynch affected his decision

[Los Broncos]

This says a lot about Bowlen and Shanny

Nothing but class trying improve the team and make a run.

[dragondawg]

elvis must be a little mad

[Popcorn Sutton]

So who sits down? Engleberger? Elvis? Engleberger's got my vote.

Me too.

[Bronx33]

Man i hope this guy can pound the QB, life for the secondary and our new DC will be much easier.

[BroncoBuff]

wonder how much of a role lynch played
According to the article in the other thread, Lynch was a major catalyst. Rice said he "raved" about Denver and how happy they were there.

[RMT]

Yup....here's a link.....

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=97125&id=256

Funny.....Tampa Bay still had a standing $4.5 million offer to him....yet he takes the $3 million offer from Denver.....that at least says SOMETHING positive about his character.....

and the Broncos.

[BroncoFiend]

Alright!!Booya!

And he signed for a one year 3 million dollar deal? Wow, so much for Tampa's 4.5 million standing offer huh.

This is a steal, he is going to be huge for us.

[azbroncfan]

I hope his shoulder really is okay. It will be interesting to see what the terms were.

One year 3-4 mil. Great deal with no down side. He sucks don't sign him next year and the money used on him wasn't going to be used this year and you can't carry it over to next.

[Kaylore]

elvis must be a little mad

Why?

[RMT]

elvis must be a little mad

competition at every position makes everyone better.

[55CrushEm]

Why?

Exactly....Elvis knows that Rice is not a long term player here anyway. Elvis will still have plenty of chances to start in the future, if not this year.

[RMT]

this is a great opportunity for Elvis to learn from one of the game's premier pass rushers.

[JCMElway]

I think the starting DEs are Rice and Engelberger with Moss and/or Dumerville coming in on passing situations.

[55CrushEm]

And for a bit of trivial infomation......with the release of Veal....Simeon can still keep #97. :)

[Popps]

So who sits down? Engleberger? Elvis? Engleberger's got my vote.

Either one of them is fine with me. They're both useless as starters.


This is bittersweet, for me. I've been pounding the table for a couple of real DEs for about a decade. We finally bring in a legitimate force, and it's a f#ck-stick like Rice.

Oh well, like I said... he's not out deliberately hurting women and children like Henry. He's just an asshole, and the NFL is full of those.

Strictly football, here.... this is a huge signing. We were in deep, deep troulbe on the line. I don't know if this will "save" us, but it's a big step in the right direction.

[Kaylore]

And we rotate our D-line anyway. Like Elvis suddenly has an ego and is upset at the team that believed in him enough to draft and start him.

[JCMElway]

I bet the other shoe drops on the Bell deal in a hurry now. I really hope we can get a conditional 4th for Bell. He's worth it.

[broncos love]

That is great we got him, but when is he in shape to play football. I know not this week, just on 3rd down plays.

[peacepipe]

Elvis plays RDE & Rice plays LDE there's a good chance both will start.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well this is no good. Simeon Rice is going to own our offense now.

[Broncoiler]

I was expecting the "overpayment" debate to start before the terms were announced.

$3-4 mil seems like good value.

[55CrushEm]

Question......with this signing, we are now at 54 active players. How long does the league give you to get back down to 53 (since we're supposed to be there anyway) ?

[dragondawg]

according to the article, rice pushes elvis down the chart

[ward63]

according to the article, rice pushes elvis down the chart

Which is fine b/c I don't want Elvis playing every down as a RDE and playing up against huge OT's. ALso, like I said before, Elvis and Jarvis can now learn something from a veteran player like them.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I think this could wind up being as important as any offseason move we made. The line was looking awfully green. Talented, but green, and Rice is a player that always caught my eye. He's been as solid a playmaker as any player in the league over the last decade.

And all the character BS is nothing more than that. BS from people who don't know.

Anyone who denies he has had issues is illiterate

[DenverBrit]

This is bittersweet, for me. I've been pounding the table for a couple of real DEs for about a decade. We finally bring in a legitimate force, and it's a f#ck-stick like Rice.


Come on, Popps, this is a D line with attitude we're looking for, not a choir. ;D

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Damn damn damn. You guys are going to have a great defense now.

[BroncoBuff]

So who sits down? Engleberger? Elvis? Engleberger's got my vote.
I've sworn off disssing Engelberger ... I was one of the loudest of the (great many) Engelberger detractors around here, but it's time I think to accept the fact that he's a very good 1st down and short yardage DE. Rice is apparently no good at stopping the run, so his snaps won't conflict with Engelberger's.

Question I have is - with Dumervil and Moss set as pass-situation DEs, Rice must cut into Moss's time. Dumervil is a top sack-man and is listed #1 on the depth chart.


Who's the odd man out? If we can't move a running back, I'm thinking Antwan Burton or Jeff Shoate. It'd be tough to drop Burton ... Sam Adams has just 25 plays a game in him, and Thomas is a rookie. So who's losing a job here ???

[Bronx33]

BoBO is an idiot...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=169139

[broncos love]

Well this is no good. Simeon Rice is going to own our offense now.

Well their goes that high from that great signing by Peterson on Eddie Drummend.

[DenverBrit]

I've sworn off disssing Engelberger ... I was one of the loudest of the (great many) Engelberger detractors around here, but it's time I think to accept the fact that he's a very good 1st down and short yardage DE. Rice is apparently no good at stopping the run, so his snaps won't conflict with Engelberger's.

Question I have is - with Dumervil and Moss set as pass-situation DEs, Rice must cut into Moss's time. Dumervil is a top sack-man and is listed #1 on the depth chart.


Who's the odd man out? If we can't move a running back, I'm thinking Antwan Burton or Jeff Shoate. It'd be tough to drop Burton ... Sam Adams has just 25 plays a game in him, and Thomas is a rookie. So who's losing a job here ???


Someone's getting traded. ;)

[Moon§hiner]

Well their goes that high from that great signing by Peterson on Eddie Drummend.
Psst....Brodie is their secret weapon....and Thigpen is their secret secret weapon.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Either one of them is fine with me. They're both useless as starters.
That's not what Shanahan said. He said he thinks Elvis can start.
This is bittersweet, for me. I've been pounding the table for a couple of real DEs for about a decade. We finally bring in a legitimate force, and it's a f#ck-stick like Rice.
So what EXACTLY has he done? Has he been in trouble with the law? I keep hearing this but nobody says what he's guilty of.

[Los Broncos]

BoBO is an idiot...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=169139

Whats his sn over there?

[Bronco Yoda]

Yo OM let's kick it!

Rice Rice baby (x2)...

All right stop biatch'n and listen
Rice is back with brand new intentions
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
It's a falling QB looking up at me, frightning
but yet some fans moan & biach,
Will it ever stop yo I don't know
Turn on the lights its time for the show
To the extreme I rock like a mic and sack like a vandle
Light up a QB and wax a RB like a candle
Dance go rush to the playa that booms
I'm erasing your line like a big fat eraser
Deadly when I play a dope move on ya
Anything less than the best is faiderlike
Love it or leave it you better get on the train
You better hit recorder cuz I'm going insane
If there was a pass rush problem yo I'll solve it
Check out my moves while my agent resolves it

CHORUS
Rice Rice baby (x4) ...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Whats his sn over there?

GOATSE for now, it changes regularly

[DenverBrit]

BoBO is an idiot...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=169139

Best 'Boob' quote in the thread:

GOATSE, do you realize you have been completely wrong on your football takes so often, that your opinion on anything football related means d!ck sh!t? Whether it be on the Broncos, Chiefs, or the pickup game down there street. Hilarious! Hilarious!

[Los Broncos]

I like fried Rice with a coke

[Spider]

Not wild about Rice..But he has talent , more so then elvis , though I would like to see Elvis starting

[no-pseudo-fan]

I'm very happy about this. He is going to help us get off the field on 3rd down.

[Bronx33]

Whats his sn over there?

Today it is GOATSE tomorrow it will be dumbass next week who the hell knows.

[Vladimir]

Ahole or not we needed help on the dline and this is exactly what we needed.
I'm so glad we didnt end up signing someone like marcellus wiley.

[Los Broncos]

GOATSE for now, it changes regularly

I cant imagine why

[Los Broncos]

Today it is GOATSE tomorrow it will be dumbass next week who the hell knows.

Hey, don't goats eat everything they see?

[The MVPlaya]

Why is everyone so down on Dumervil? You guys are referring to him and evaluating him as if he's a grown and full potential player.

Do you guys realize he didn't play 3 games last year? Do you realize that it was his ROOKIE season last year?

I mean ****...you guys really aren't appreciating him.

[ZONA]

.........Shut up 400HZ about character. Normally you post some decent stuff but that was ignorant. Like San Diego doesnt' have a few rotten attitudes. Oh that's right, they have 53 choir boys playing as a single beautiful unit in harmorny.

I think you are just a little pissed that we landed a damn good pass rusher but won't admit it.

[Bronx33]

Hey, don't goats eat everything they see?

They shyt everything they eat as well and mosttimes re-eat it again (bob in a nutshell) pretty much.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

God, I hate KC's front office. Why can't we be more like the Broncos? Simeon Rice is a proven stud and will gift Denver with instant pass rush. DAMMIT CARL!

[broncos love]

Not wild about Rice..But he has talent , more so then elvis , though I would like to see Elvis starting

Same here man, I was hoping the Broncos would get Trotter, but they decided on Rice. The run defense is not going to get better with Rice, but the pass rush will be better, I guess. We will see

[Bronx33]

Bob will you ever understand the bronco were merely trying to fill a position as best they could with what was availiable kinda like what the cheaps did with the 2nd string QB thigpin.?

[MechanicalBull]

^5 woo hoo

[The MVPlaya]

God, I hate KC's front office. Why can't we be more like the Broncos? Simeon Rice is a proven stud and will gift Denver with instant pass rush. DAMMIT CARL!

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not haha

I mean if you're like your fellow Chief fans...then you're being sarcastic.

It's funny reading those forums.

We need more fire power over there...haha it's hilarious.

[Los Broncos]

Bob will you ever understand the bronco were merely trying to fill a position as best they could with what was availiable kinda like what the cheaps did with the 2nd string QB thigpin.?

Dude, Thigpen is a pro bowler! Anyone who ever played in KC has been.

[The MVPlaya]

Same here man, I was hoping the Broncos would get Trotter, but they decided on Rice. The run defense is not going to get better with Rice, but the pass rush will be better, I guess. We will see

Why in the blue hell would you want trotter?

[tsiguy96]

the best part is everyone hates bob, here, chiefs forums. i wouldnt be suprised if he is on raider and charger forums too.

[Bronx33]

the best part is everyone hates bob, here, chiefs forums. i wouldnt be suprised if he is on raider and charger forums too.


He can find love on the lions board for sure...

[Northman]

God, I hate KC's front office. Why can't we be more like the Broncos? Simeon Rice is a proven stud and will gift Denver with instant pass rush. DAMMIT CARL!

LOL

So, you told Kaylor earlier today that our defense was pathetic and all of a sudden now its Awesome?

[mtnbucman]

Same here man, I was hoping the Broncos would get Trotter, but they decided on Rice. The run defense is not going to get better with Rice, but the pass rush will be better, I guess. We will see

Tampa's going to sign Trotter.

http://www.pewterreport.com/articles/view/3310

[CBF1]

character ... Bill Romonoski was a total A-hole. Yet teams he played for loved him and won.


While character is needed on a team, talent is also required. But you have to have a balance of good and bad.

Lynch, Bailey Nalen are leaders and character guys. They will balance out the lockerroom.

Also winning always helps the character of a team.


HEAV, I have met and talked to Bill and Julie Romanowski a number of times and they were both absolutley great, polite and friendly in my PERSONAL experience. He always signed autographs for everyone after the games at Mile High. He left it all on the field every game.... What more could any fan hope for from a player. Just because someone has god given talent and ability and plays in the NFL does not mean they are perfect in every aspect of life.

[sixtimeseight]

God, I hate KC's front office. Why can't we be more like the Broncos? Simeon Rice is a proven stud and will gift Denver with instant pass rush. DAMMIT CARL!


How's it feel having the worst DL in the division now?

[dragondawg]

wonder what kind of shape he's in since i think he missed all of camp and if he can pick up bates scheme

[CBF1]

This signing is a no brainer if he is healthy.... I am sure Greek took a look at him and gave him a passing grade :thumbs: . The money is not an issue, the contract is not an issue, Our DL was questionable, adding his talent is a perfect fit.

Way to go front office.!Booya!

[BroncoBuff]

God, I hate KC's front office. Why can't we be more like the Broncos? Simeon Rice is a proven stud and will gift Denver with instant pass rush. DAMMIT CARL!

EXCELLENT POST, BOB!





(Finally Uhh ...)

[RMT]

HEAV, I have met and talked to Bill and Julie Romanowski a number of times and they were both absolutley great, polite and friendly in my PERSONAL experience. He always signed autographs for everyone after the games at Mile High. He left it all on the field every game.... What more could any fan hope for from a player. Just because someone has god given talent and ability and plays in the NFL does not mean they are perfect in every aspect of life.

Granted, Romo had some incidents that contributed to a negative perception, however, he did play with passion - and how much of his actions could be a result of his passion and/or suspected use of performance-enhancing products?

I had the opportunity to meet him once as well and was impressed with his cordial demeanor. He didn't strike me as one who thrived on a negative perception.

[Popps]

That's not what Shanahan said. He said he thinks Elvis can start.
.

Yea, that's why he just forked over 3 mil to Rice.

Shanahan also said Kavika Pittman was a Pro Bowl talent.

So what EXACTLY has he done? Has he been in trouble with the law? I keep hearing this but nobody says what he's guilty of.

He's had no legal troubles, to my knowledge. I've made it absolutely clear that he's just an ahole, and beyond your usual NFL ahole. But, no... he's no Travis Henry or Mike Vick.

[footstepsfrom#27]

wonder what kind of shape he's in since i think he missed all of camp and if he can pick up bates scheme
Bates' scheme is to pin the ears back and go...what's he have to pick up? His playing shape is another question though. Hopefully he can be up to speed by week three.

[Garcia Bronco]

Rice is an asshole pure and simple. people don't remember that garbage he said about Tillman, but I do.

[ol number 7]

God, I hate KC's front office. Why can't we be more like the Broncos? Simeon Rice is a proven stud and will gift Denver with instant pass rush. DAMMIT CARL!

King Carl announces signing Tyler Thigpen. Hey Carl; did you see Denver signed Simeon Rice. Carl: "Oh their just jealous thats all."

Buckle your chinstrap Brody; Rice is a comin. Oh yea I forgot he's got the clipboard this year. : :~ohyah!:

[RMT]

Rice is an a-hole pure and simple. people don't remember that garbage he said about Tillman, but I do.

What would have happened if Jake Plummer were still the QB - since he was a former teammate of Tillman? That would have been awkward.

[ol number 7]

Rice is an a-hole pure and simple. people don't remember that garbage he said about Tillman, but I do.

Get over it. If you were in Arizona you'd be pissed too playing for Bidwell

[footstepsfrom#27]

Yea, that's why he just forked over 3 mil to Rice.

Shanahan also said Kavika Pittman was a Pro Bowl talent.
Shanny didn't say he was ready NOW...but he did say he had the ability, something you obviously deny. Pittman? NFL coaches all make mistakes. Name one who hasn't. I'll still take his word over yours, strange as that might seem.
He's had no legal troubles, to my knowledge. I've made it absolutely clear that he's just an ahole, and beyond your usual NFL ahole. But, no... he's no Travis Henry or Mike Vick.
So why is he an A-hole? Specifics here please...

[Popps]

Rice is an a-hole pure and simple. people don't remember that garbage he said about Tillman, but I do.

People remember, they're either just beyond caring or convincing themselves that it's O.K. since we signed him now.

[azbroncfan]

Rice is an a-hole pure and simple. people don't remember that garbage he said about Tillman, but I do.

I agree he is a scumbag with those Rambo comments but I do realize he is a football player and nothing more. He would probably be slinging crack on the streets if there was no Football.

[broncs2bowl]

WOOOOOHOOOOOO! Pss rush had arrived in denver. Now if we could just find a DT better than Gordon it would exite me but wat the heck this is so exiting. SIMEON RICE ALL THE WAY WOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[Popps]

Shanny didn't say he was ready NOW...but he did say he had the ability, something you obviously deny.

It's just my opinion, boss. I didn't think "Pro Bowl" Kavika Pittman had what it takes, and I don't think Elvis has what it takes. I think he's a fine situational player, and I also think he'd be great in a 3-4 defense. I think he gets absolutely mauled on running plays and in reality, even as a pass rusher... if a linemen gets their hands on him, it's over. He's pushed to the ground like a high school kid.

I'll still take his word over yours, strange as that might seem..

Shanahan is telling the truth half the time. If you can figure out which half, you're probably psychic and don't know it.

So why is he an A-hole? Specifics here please...

He's just shot his mouth off at any opportunity, including the obvious Tillman stuff that was over the top.

Now he's talking about "cementing his legacy." LOL What a ****ing dork.

[Bronx33]

I just hope the dork can chase the QB out of the pocket and i hope he can plant jughead (end of story)

[Rigs11]

Yeeesssss!Woo hoo!! I was really worried about aur d-line. Rice instantly adds some veteran leadership.Now it's on!

[Popps]

I just hope the dork can chase the QB out of the pocket and i hope he can plant jughead (end of story)

Like I said, he's not the first, last or biggest ahole in sports... just a big one.

I'll root for him on Sundays as long as he's not hurting people when he's off the field.

He (skill-wise) is exactly what we need... exactly. Though, a productive DT would be nice, too.

[TheDave]

This thread is a perfect example of the phrase:

"You can't please everyone"

Personally i'm glad we are swinging for the fences... as usual.

[footstepsfrom#27]

It's just my opinion, boss. I didn't think "Pro Bowl" Kavika Pittman had what it takes, and I don't think Elvis has what it takes. I think he's a fine situational player, and I also think he'd be great in a 3-4 defense. I think he gets absolutely mauled on running plays and in reality, even as a pass rusher... if a linemen gets their hands on him, it's over. He's pushed to the ground like a high school kid.
The high school kid notched 8 1/2 sacks last year...musta done something right.
He's just shot his mouth off at any opportunity, including the obvious Tillman stuff that was over the top.

Now he's talking about "cementing his legacy." LOL What a ****ing dork.
So he said something nasty about Tillman, who he probably didn't like. Had Tillman not been killed would anyone remember or care? Anything else in his 11 year career we ought to know about?

[cabronco]

I'm very happy about this. He is going to help us get off the field on 3rd down.

Wouldnt that be something. I lost count last year how many times the D stopped them on 1st and 2nd to give up a big play on 3rd down. I like that we picked up Rice, picking up a solid DT would be icing on the cake, but Im not counting on it.

[Popps]

The high school kid notched 8 1/2 sacks last year...musta done something right.


Absolutely, though I think he had 3 of those against Cleveland. Pop in the Indy tape and tell me how effective he was against a decent line. He was invisible in our biggest games.

He's a fine addition to our rotation when used strategically.

So he said something nasty about Tillman, who he probably didn't like. Had Tillman not been killed would anyone remember or care?



The majority of the outrage came long before Tillman was killed, without question. So, yes... plenty of people cared, as out of fashion as that may be these days.

[Rohirrim]

This thread is a perfect example of the phrase:

"You can't please everyone"

Personally i'm glad we are swinging for the fences... as usual.

My feeling exactly. I seem to remember a lot of people saying that Neil Smith was washed up when Shanahan brought him in. Anyway, the guys who hit the most homers usually have the highest strike out numbers as well. Hopefully, the Rice signing is a home run.

[400HZ]

.........Shut up 400HZ about character. Normally you post some decent stuff but that was ignorant. Like San Diego doesnt' have a few rotten attitudes. Oh that's right, they have 53 choir boys playing as a single beautiful unit in harmorny.

I think you are just a little pissed that we landed a damn good pass rusher but won't admit it.

I'm not pissed. Rice is a one year acquisition, and one 34 year old player with a bum shoulder who's been sitting on his ass all training camp isn't gonna be the difference for Denver this year. You disagree?

The thing about character isn't just Rice, who is no doubt an asshole. In fact if Jake Plummer was still here than this signing wouldn't have happened. I'm talking about Rice, Henry, Thomas, Moss, Bly, and whichever other character concern guys that I can't remember right now. Wasn't there just an article from the Denver Post on the board about this just a couple weeks ago? Character Isn't a Concern in Denver? I realize that San Diego might have a few borderline guys too, as does every franchise, but no other franchise is lining them up at the pace that Denver is and certainly not with guys who have well known and documented issues. The only team that used to do that was Oakland.

To be honest with you, I like Denver to a certain degree. A lot of my friends are Bronco fans and love football as much as me. Even as rivals, it rubs off to some extent. The Broncos just seem like such a tough team to love though. Wholesale roster changes with players like Rice, Henry, etc....it would really turn me off if I was fan. Having dickweeds like Davis Boston and Marcellus Wiley back in the day turned me off a bit to the Chargers, too.

Flame away. Same thing happened when I said something about your last DL signing. Kennedy, I think?

[BigPlayShay]

Some BS...

Dude, correct me if I am wrong, but did your team not just last year have a guy shot by an undercover cop, another guy implicated in drug traffiking, and another guy test positive for steroids?

[Bronx33]

Lets take a look at what Mr rice had done prior to his injury so basically (nobody know shyt) about what he is capable of also a change of senery and a winning team attitude can do wonders for a guy re: neil smith.

[That One Guy]

I'm not pissed. Rice is a one year acquisition, and one 34 year old player with a bum shoulder who's been sitting on his ass all training camp isn't gonna be the difference for Denver this year. You disagree?

The thing about character isn't just Rice, who is no doubt an a-hole. In fact if Jake Plummer was still here than this signing wouldn't have happened. I'm talking about Rice, Henry, Thomas, Moss, Bly, and whichever other character concern guys that I can't remember right now. Wasn't there just an article from the Denver Post on the board about this just a couple weeks ago? Character Isn't a Concern in Denver? I realize that San Diego might have a few borderline guys too, as does every franchise, but no other franchise is lining them up at the pace that Denver is and certainly not with guys who have well known and documented issues. The only team that used to do that was Oakland.

To be honest with you, I like Denver to a certain degree. A lot of my friends are Bronco fans and love football as much as me. Even as rivals, it rubs off to some extent. The Broncos just seem like such a tough team to love though. Wholesale roster changes with players like Rice, Henry, etc....it would really turn me off if I was fan. Having dickweeds like Davis Boston and Marcellus Wiley back in the day turned me off a bit to the Chargers, too.

Flame away. Same thing happened when I said something about your last DL signing. Kennedy, I think?

I'm with you on this one... I like to be able to talk trash at work, brag that my team is doing well... but when you take a team, axe half the roster and bring in dirtbags... you occasionally get days when you feel like you're just rooting for em because you've always rooted for em and because you have thousands of $$ in gear with that team's logo. I'm not saying I'm at that point but come on, who can you root for personally now? Mike Bell will be working behind the scenes... Rod's injured.. there's no feel good stories really... Lynch is still a fan favorite and one of my favorites... but the team just doesn't have the great personality that it may have once had.

Now, someone go on and tell me about how this is a business and winning is their only concern.. blah blah blah... I don't get anything special if they win a few more games every year, just get to cheer.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Dude, correct me if I am wrong, but did your team not just last year have a guy shot by an undercover cop, another guy implicated in drug traffiking, and another guy test positive for steroids?

Don't forget sending large sums of money to China for counterfeit shoes...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/nflinsider/2006/12/strange_case_involving_oversea.html

thwack

[Malcontent]

I'm not pissed. Rice is a one year acquisition, and one 34 year old player with a bum shoulder who's been sitting on his ass all training camp isn't gonna be the difference for Denver this year. You disagree?

The thing about character isn't just Rice, who is no doubt an a-hole. In fact if Jake Plummer was still here than this signing wouldn't have happened. I'm talking about Rice, Henry, Thomas, Moss, Bly, and whichever other character concern guys that I can't remember right now. Wasn't there just an article from the Denver Post on the board about this just a couple weeks ago? Character Isn't a Concern in Denver? I realize that San Diego might have a few borderline guys too, as does every franchise, but no other franchise is lining them up at the pace that Denver is and certainly not with guys who have well known and documented issues. The only team that used to do that was Oakland.

To be honest with you, I like Denver to a certain degree. A lot of my friends are Bronco fans and love football as much as me. Even as rivals, it rubs off to some extent. The Broncos just seem like such a tough team to love though. Wholesale roster changes with players like Rice, Henry, etc....it would really turn me off if I was fan. Having dickweeds like Davis Boston and Marcellus Wiley back in the day turned me off a bit to the Chargers, too.

Flame away. Same thing happened when I said something about your last DL signing. Kennedy, I think?



When it comes down to it 400...No one here really gives a rats a** what you think..The season is here, and were out to beat the living crap outta your chuffers. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.:welcome:

[telluride]

cah, I hardly think Rice qualifies as a dirtbag.

[That One Guy]

When it comes down to it 400...No one here really gives a rats a** what you think..The season is here, and were out to beat the living crap outta your chuffers. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.:welcome:

Wow, I see that operation "Attempt to turn 400 into a troll" is in full blast... Chargers fans are tenfold better than the Raiders and Chef trolls we have around here.. are we that determined to insult the guy and add to the crowd? If you think he's wrong, say so and debate it... To just randomly shoot off that nobody cares for his opinion is stupid, petty, and detracts from attempts at valid conversation.

[That One Guy]

cah, I hardly think Rice qualifies as a dirtbag.

It depends on perception, he hasn't done completely terrible things... but judging off the few things I have heard (and the only things I have to judge off of), he's not a guy I'm really gonna root for. I'd love to see Dumervil turn it up a bit, get on par with Rice and send Rice's ass to the bench for the year. If the team succeeds and Rice contributes absolutely nothing, I think it'd be a perfect ending to his "legacy"

[400HZ]

Dude, correct me if I am wrong, but did your team not just last year have a guy shot by an undercover cop, another guy implicated in drug traffiking, and another guy test positive for steroids?

The difference is that we didn't know that one guy was gonna drive drunk, one was gonna traffic codeine, and the other was gonna test positive for steroids. Most organizations don't seek those players out. The two of them that we could afford to cut were cut, both starters.

[BroncoBuff]

I hate to say it, but 400 makes a decent distinction there.

Somebody fill me in on just what Rice ever did that was so bad ???

[Broncos_OTM]

Wow, I see that operation "Attempt to turn 400 into a troll" is in full blast... Chargers fans are tenfold better than the Raiders and Chef trolls we have around here.. are we that determined to insult the guy and add to the crowd? If you think he's wrong, say so and debate it... To just randomly shoot off that nobody cares for his opinion is stupid, petty, and detracts from attempts at valid conversation.

Sometimes i think this place makes trolls as they go. with conduct like this. although bob was always a troll

[That One Guy]

The difference is that we didn't know that one guy was gonna drive drunk, one was gonna traffic codeine, and the other was gonna test positive for steroids. Most organizations don't seek those players out. The two of them that we could afford to cut were cut, both starters.

That statement invalidates the whole arguement folks like to make. They're basically saying "Those who we could cut and not hurt ourselves we cut... those who we'd lose something in an effort to make a point, well we can look past their transgressions. "

I agree on the difference in bringing in someone who turns out to be a dirtbag vs someone who just becomes one. And I'm not gonna say you should go crazy and never bring in a dirtbag, often they're bargains and in today's world you can't get ahead by tieing your own hands and limiting your options... it's just that you can only throw so many dirtbags on a team with a good veteran presence before the dirtbags BECOME the veteran presence and you've really got a mess.

[wabbit]

Perhaps the fact that he's hooking up again with a class guy like Lynch will help keep his focus.

I'm hoping he tears 'em up, but as bpc noted; pass rush wasn't really the issue as the Pre-Season progressed...it's the rush defense, or, as the case might be, the lack thereof.

The fact that a mental dwarf like bobo is dissing this aquisition makes me all the more happy about it.

The money pay-out wasn't ridiculous either, so 'go Sim'.

[Broncos_OTM]

The difference is that we didn't know that one guy was gonna drive drunk, one was gonna traffic codeine, and the other was gonna test positive for steroids. Most organizations don't seek those players out. The two of them that we could afford to cut were cut, both starters.

As did we with Kircus..

[BigPlayShay]

The difference is that we didn't know that one guy was gonna drive drunk, one was gonna traffic codeine, and the other was gonna test positive for steroids. Most organizations don't seek those players out. The two of them that we could afford to cut were cut, both starters.

Ok, then explain the drafting of Luis Castillo. He admitted to using HGH before the combine and yet the Chargers still brought him in.

While it is true Shanahan will bring in guys with past issues, the only thing he is guilty if is giving them a second chance. He gives them a clean slate. If they f**k up, they are gone (see Daryl Gardener, Dale Carter, David Kircus, etc...). I don't see anything wrong with guys getting a second chance. I have zero problems with how Shanahan and this organization handles things of this nature.

[That One Guy]

I hate to say it, but 400 makes a decent distinction there.

Somebody fill me in on just what Rice ever did that was so bad ???

To me.. it seems like a lot of small things that generally make him sound like a dirtbag. There was the Tillman bashing of course. There was somebody mentioning that he had threatened to take plays off to avoid being franchised by AZ... there was him coming here for his "legacy"... He may not be a bad guy personally but it just sounds like he has a big mouth and seems to think a lot about himself. I personally prefer the types like Lang who, when we drafted 2 DEs in the draft, just said he'd fight for the last biscuit on the table and went out there and competed. That's the kind of guy I'd love to have leading the team... unfortunately, he wasn't the most experienced so the guy we now have our rookies looking up to is more concerned with making a legacy...

[OABB]

Character is so subjective anyhow. let's get over it collectively. having a loud mouth, smoking pot in college, and whatever else we can say, (even steroids don't bother me) are small acts compared to intolerable ones. these are everyday actions of most professional athletes. it's just a fact. The "feel good" stories about high character guys "feel good" because they are rare in professional sports, period. it is completely naive to expect athletes to be pillars of the community.
the facts is, having illegetimate children, punching strippers, beating your wife etc. are disgusting acts by any human, but they happen all the time, everywhere. the human is flawed and imperfect, and morality is subjective. Who are we to really judge, anyhow?

this is football- a sport,get a handle people. these men are not our government or our children's school teachers. can they tackle? run fast? that's all that matters, here. sorry but its true.

with that being said, all i have to say about signing rice is.......

Championship.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I hate to say it, but 400 makes a decent distinction there.

Somebody fill me in on just what Rice ever did that was so bad ???
He made a crack about a guy who elected to join the military, a choice most people now wish he hadn't made.

Obviously he's the scum of the earth.

[BigPlayShay]

I hate to say it, but 400 makes a decent distinction there.

Somebody fill me in on just what Rice ever did that was so bad ???

He is a professional athlete that is sometimes brash and brings attention to himself:

http://www.nctimes.com/content/articles/2006/09/30/sports/professional/chargers/23_16_279_29_06.jpg

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Also, just because some of these guys had past issues, doesnt make them bad people. From what I understand, Moss and Thomas were never bad teammates or loud mouths, they just liked the Ganj. From what i understand, Travis Henry isnt a bad teammate, he just likes unprotected sex a bit too much. So its not as if these guys are locker room poisons...relax.

[That One Guy]

Character is so subjective anyhow. let's get over it collectively. having a loud mouth, smoking pot in college, and whatever else we can say, (even steroids don't bother me) are small acts compared to intolerable ones. these are everyday actions of most professional athletes. it's just a fact. The "feel good" stories about high character guys "feel good" because they are rare in professional sports, period. it is completely naive to expect athletes to be pillars of the community.
the facts is, having illegetimate children, punching strippers, beating your wife etc. are disgusting acts by any human, but they happen all the time, everywhere. the human is flawed and imperfect, and morality is subjective. Who are we to really judge, anyhow?

this is football- a sport,get a handle people. these men are not our government or our children's school teachers. can they tackle? run fast? that's all that matters, here. sorry but its true.

with that being said, all i have to say about signing rice is.......

Championship.

Well, there's different factors here and the number 1 concern that people have is repeated offenders. Do people bring up Moss smoking in college much anymore? Not really... Does anyone bring up about the different people who have seen Champ running around with women that are clearly not his wife? Not really... Now, would it be different if Champ were knocking em up or getting arrested for soliciting hookers or then that'd become an issue and he'd lose favor? I bet 90% of the players have skeletons in their closet, can't stand the average fan, and hate half of their teammates... That's understandable and as long as they say the right things, everyone's gonna get good impressions from em and assume they're just the nicest people ever. If they're saying things about how someone saw too many Rambo movies and went off to fight for his country... then it makes you wonder what he isn't saying, what's REALLY going through their heads...

And it's sad but while the president has more influence on our country, who has more influences on society? The president or NFL superstars? Stars can affect everything from how your kids dress and how they speak to how they act and what they're doing in their free time... I'd hardly say we shouldn't be concerned when a bad apple rolls along and captures the attention of our youth.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm talking about Rice, Henry, Thomas, Moss, Bly, and whichever other character concern guys that I can't remember right now.
1) Rice- never in trouble with the law, made a comment about another player people found offensive. Big deal.

2) Henry- stupid and irresponsible behavior, not in legal trouble but bears watching in the future due to decision making

3) Thomas- smoked pot in college, made a stupid decison to violate his team rules, investigated by Shanahan prior to drafting him, no legal problems

4) Moss- smoked pot in college

5) Bly- ??? not sure why he's on this list

So what you have is one guy who pissed people off with his mouth with a controversial comment, one guy who can't keep his **** in his pants, two guys who smoked weed in college, neither of whom has legal issues, and a dude who...what?

The Chargers have had more issues than this.

[kamakazi_kal]

400HZ: 2007 Motto: **** Character!

Right, cuz Rice has been such a cancer. Lemme guess... you are one of the many posters on here that have spent time with Rice in the locker room.

oh has rice been nailed for "banned substances"?

[Vegas_Bronco]

I feel like a complete a-hole for my post last night stating we could have kept Pryce (who had a great season last year - 13 sacks) for the same price as signing Rice. The truly great thing is that Rice will mentor Moss or at least show him how to get it done right, unlike Trevor who would have taught him how to pizz off shanny and just get by with a great performance ever 2-3 games.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Absolutely, though I think he had 3 of those against Cleveland. Pop in the Indy tape and tell me how effective he was against a decent line. He was invisible in our biggest games.
So was the rest of our team. Indy has the best pass blocking O-line in the NFL...and he was a rookie. I guess he can't ever improve huh?

Stupid logic.
The majority of the outrage came long before Tillman was killed, without question. So, yes... plenty of people cared, as out of fashion as that may be these days.
So he made a crack about a guy joining the military. So what? It turns out that wasn't the best decision was it?

[That One Guy]

Also, just because some of these guys had past issues, doesnt make them bad people. From what I understand, Moss and Thomas were never bad teammates or loud mouths, they just liked the Ganj. From what i understand, Travis Henry isnt a bad teammate, he just likes unprotected sex a bit too much. So its not as if these guys are locker room poisons...relax.

I don't think any of the guys that we brought in will detract from the team by being here... I'm just saying that we're not bringing in the kind of squad that makes someone really want to get on their feet and cheer for em... I liked Mike Bell when it was a feel good story... now he may move on so that's kinda done... I always like Lang... Apparently KJ was a fan favorite but I don't really know the story behind him... Plummer had his fans and his enemies, that went out last year with Cutler who seems to have cue cards for every interview I've ever heard, his personality seems to come directly from a teleprompter... the Oline guys are still cool but they're on their way out within the next few years... who have they brought in lately that makes you cheer for them like some of the personalities of yesteryear?

[broncofan2438]

This is awsome people, how do you think the critics will react

[That One Guy]

I feel like a complete a-hole for my post last night stating we could have kept Pryce (who had a great season last year - 13 sacks) for the same price as signing Rice. The truly great thing is that Rice will mentor Moss or at least show him how to get it done right, unlike Trevor who would have taught him how to pizz off shanny and just get by with a great performance ever 2-3 games.

I honestly think this is where he can make the most impact. It may not be him personally doing it but he can teach techniques to the younger players who may be even more motivated to listen to the guy than their coaches... when a guy somewhere around the top 10 all time talks, you listen.

[OABB]

And it's sad but while the president has more influence on our country, who has more influences on society? The president or NFL superstars? Stars can affect everything from how your kids dress and how they speak to how they act and what they're doing in their free time... I'd hardly say we shouldn't be concerned when a bad apple rolls along and captures the attention of our youth.

That's our responsability as parents and big brothers to make sure that they know the difference and follow good examples and make there own choices. if my little brother is listening to mike vick over me, he is gonna get his a$$ beat.

Without getting political, you make a great point about a president's influence, and I actually wanted to make this point in my last reply. We really should be more concerned with the character issues of men and women that DO effect our lives and the lives of our youth. That is why i really don't get carried away with the morality of athletes. I know their place in society, however, when my president and the leaders of government are morally ambiguos, than we should have a problem.

[That One Guy]

So was the rest of our team. Indy has the best pass blocking O-line in the NFL...and he was a rookie. I guess he can't ever improve huh?

Stupid logic.

So he made a crack about a guy joining the military. So what? It turns out that wasn't the best decision was it?

I honestly don't even know how to respond to that... I don't know how to properly express the emotions that give you the urge to draw back and punch someone in the mouth.

[BroncoSoja]

character doesnt help you win football games. but just ask merriman, steroids do :D

PWNED!

[That One Guy]

That's our responsability as parents and big brothers to make sure that they know the difference and follow good examples and make there own choices. if my little brother is listening to mike vick over me, he is gonna get his a$$ beat.

Without getting political, you make a great point about a president's influence, and I actually wanted to make this point in my last reply. We really should be more concerned with the character issues of men and women that DO effect our lives and the lives of our youth. That is why i really don't get carried away with the morality of athletes. I know their place in society, however, when my president and the leaders of government are morally ambiguos, than we should have a problem.

We can't deny the influence these people have though. Morally we'd all like to hold those in government to a higher standard, realistically you'd be fighting the less significant battle though.

[BroncoBuff]

Okay, found his quote. Might've known some provocatuer like Rome was involved. BTW - He said it BEFORE Tillman was killed - big difference:

NFL star Simeon Rice (made) thoughtless comments on the Jim Rome show about Tillman’s decision to forgo a $3.6 million contract and instead enlist in the Army with his brother Kevin shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Rice stated that Tillman “really wasn’t that good anyways” and Tillman joined the Army because he had probably seen too many “Rambo movies.”

Rice’s comments, as inhumane as many individuals – like myself – might consider them to be, unfortunately do not compare to the continued cover-ups and deliberate misleadings perpetrated by the military ever since Tillman’s tragic death in April of 2004.

http://www.newuniversity.org/showArticle.php?id=5779

[That One Guy]

See, just stuff like Broncobuff just posted... What does this guy really have to gain about going on national TV and talking about how the guy wasn't really good anyways? Just to see yourself on TV or just incapable of processing what he was saying? Maybe the guy isn't a dirtbag, but he just sounds like an ass generally.

[That One Guy]

Here's another tidbit:

Rice's reasoning
Simeon Rice offered no apologies for missing a meeting and being sent back to Tampa before the Buccaneers' game in San Francisco last Sunday.
It was a typical reaction from the star defensive end, who was sent home before the Pro Bowl in 2004 because he missed meetings and practices.
Asked if this incident had damaged his reputation, Rice told the Orlando Sentinel, "No, it enhanced it. I'm not like a banner guy in the NFL anyway. I'm hard to deal with, hard to get along with. That's how I hear my reputation is in this league. So it enhanced it. ... I mean, I'm the guy who got kicked out of the Pro Bowl."

[400HZ]

Ok, then explain the drafting of Luis Castillo. He admitted to using HGH before the combine and yet the Chargers still brought him in.

While it is true Shanahan will bring in guys with past issues, the only thing he is guilty if is giving them a second chance. He gives them a clean slate. If they **** up, they are gone (see Daryl Gardener, Dale Carter, David Kircus, etc...). I don't see anything wrong with guys getting a second chance. I have zero problems with how Shanahan and this organization handles things of this nature.

Like I said, every team has a few. See

I realize that San Diego might have a few borderline guys too, as does every franchise

Having dickweeds like Davis Boston and Marcellus Wiley back in the day turned me off a bit to the Chargers, too.

I understand that the reality of the NFL today is that you can't have a squad of choir boys. You can't have a squad of choir boys in any workplace. Every team is going to have a few idiots, and my team is no different. I'm just saying that Denver really seemed to load up on them this year.

Dre Bly: "If we'd had production on offense, in particular the quarterback position, Mooch wouldn't have been fired. If Jeff Garcia hadn't gotten hurt, we wouldn't be in this position today. Mooch wouldn't have gotten fired."

Not a huge deal, but publically throwing your young quarterback under the bus isn't very nice. I also left out Sauerbrun.

[The MVPlaya]

Like I said, every team has a few. See


I understand that the reality of the NFL today is that you can't have a squad of choir boys. You can't have a squad of choir boys in any workplace. Every team is going to have a few idiots, and my team is no different. I'm just saying that Denver really seemed to load up on them this year.

Dre Bly: "If we'd had production on offense, in particular the quarterback position, Mooch wouldn't have been fired. If Jeff Garcia hadn't gotten hurt, we wouldn't be in this position today. Mooch wouldn't have gotten fired."

Not a huge deal, but publically throwing your young quarterback under the bus isn't very nice. I also left out Sauerbrun.

Are you a Michael Jordan fan? J/w...

[Atlas]

I hate to say it, but 400 makes a decent distinction there.

Somebody fill me in on just what Rice ever did that was so bad ???

No one has even given one example yet... something about Tillman I guess..... I'm sure they are google searching for something.

Rice is horrible against the run but I don't think he is a horrible person. Just cocky and arrogant....big deal if he was a QB he would be Rothelesberger.

[azbroncfan]

No one has even given one example yet... something about Tillman I guess..... I'm sure they are google searching for something.

Rice is horrible against the run but I don't think he is a horrible person. Just cocky and arrogant....big deal if he was a QB he would be Rothelesberger.


He said that Tillman joined the army because he wanted to be RAMBO.

[Popps]

I honestly don't even know how to respond to that... I don't know how to properly express the emotions that give you the urge to draw back and punch someone in the mouth.

Dude, don't sweat it. Think of Footsteps as some dog turd you stepped in. You're initially annoyed, but the smell goes away. In fact, your average pile of dog turd serves a much more vital function to humanity than Footsteps.

Blame me. I attempted to discuss a subject with him as if he had any intelligence or rationale, and got the same results everyone else gets... stinky shoes.

He gets his ass handed to him in every debate I've ever seen him in... and ultimately resorts to attention ploys like the one he just tried. (Bashing Tillman.)

Do yourself a favor and forget he exists, like everyone else here.

[Will Wayfarer]

He said it before Tillman died, therefore I could care less.

I mean no disrespect for the military, but I wouldn't be surprised if some people actually did join up because of action movies.

And the above poster is spot on in saying the gov't cover up of Tillman's death is far more disgusting and reprehensible than some off hand comments made on Jim Rome.

[lazarus4444]

Yes, Rice's comment was bad taste.

No, this comment was NOT after Tillmans death.

Rice seems to be self-centered so was probably jealous of all the attention Tillman was getting when he joined. Didn't Rice & Tillman used to be teammates anyway? How do we know Rice wasn't joking? Just something to think about.

Here is hoping that Rice cements his Legacy as the #1 pass rusher of all time and retires a Bronco. That means we'll have a pass rush for a few more years which is what i care about.

Oh, and one more thing, Pat Tillman was a real man and a patriot and a shining example of patriotism. We all miss him and i'm pissed off at all the BS surrounding his death.

[BigPlayShay]

And here is Simeon's quote after Tillman's death:

"It's not a day at all for me to defend myself," Rice said Friday. "It's Pat's day. It's a day to reflect on a friend and teammate. Regardless of the issue, we were teammates. We were friends. I wanted to see him do well, and I wanted to see him come home. (What was said) has nothing to do with him being a patriot, an American hero. I mourn him."

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/24/Sports/Simeon_Rice___I_mourn.shtml

[Popps]

He said it before Tillman died, therefore I could care less..

Yea, well... that makes no sense. It was as offensive before he died as after.

I mean no disrespect for the military, but I wouldn't be surprised if some people actually did join up because of action movies.

Yea, no disrespect at all.

Btw, Tillman gave a clear outline of why he joined. If you or Simeon weren't able to grasp those reasons, that's your own problem.

As someone else put it... Simeon Rice was probably just shocked that someone did something that wasn't based purely out of self-serving motivation and didn't know how to handle it.

And the above poster is spot on in saying the gov't cover up of Tillman's death is far more disgusting and reprehensible than some off hand comments made on Jim Rome.

One has nothing to do with the other. The holocaust was worse than either, and that's also irrelevant.

[mtnbucman]

It depends on perception, he hasn't done completely terrible things... but judging off the few things I have heard (and the only things I have to judge off of), he's not a guy I'm really gonna root for. I'd love to see Dumervil turn it up a bit, get on par with Rice and send Rice's ass to the bench for the year. If the team succeeds and Rice contributes absolutely nothing, I think it'd be a perfect ending to his "legacy"

That's right cah, Rice is an eccentric who runs his mouth and needs to work on his humility. He's the best DE in the game, just ask him.

For example, he's not as bad with the mouth and disruptive as Keyshawn Johnson was. He knows there are limits. Quirks aside, he's not a bad guy, just self centered.

I was hoping he was going to re-sign with the Bucs. If healthy, you guys just got a real bargain.

[lazarus4444]

And here is Simeon's quote after Tillman's death:

"It's not a day at all for me to defend myself," Rice said Friday. "It's Pat's day. It's a day to reflect on a friend and teammate. Regardless of the issue, we were teammates. We were friends. I wanted to see him do well, and I wanted to see him come home. (What was said) has nothing to do with him being a patriot, an American hero. I mourn him."

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/24/Sports/Simeon_Rice___I_mourn.shtml

THanks for digging that up, should answer some doubts and i thought they were teammates at one point so this clears that up for sure.

[Bronco LB 59]

I am excited about this move! Christmas on September 3.

On NBC Sunday Night Football when starting players recite their alma maters, Simeon Rice says, "Simeon Rice, Players University" HEHE

[baja]

After reading Lynch's thoughts on Rice coming here I'm on board 100%.

[Electric Chair]

This isn't Simon Rice circa 2002. How many D-linemen have been through Denver this year looking for this vaunted pass rush? Serious question.

The AFC West wasn't shaken to the core today. You signed a pass rusher that has never taken care of himself on the back end of his career. I suppose it's better than what you had.

[Popps]

You signed a pass rusher that has never taken care of himself on the back end of his career. .

Dude, he never missed a game in his career. WTF are you talking about.

[ZONA]

I think the Broncos are getting too much harsh looks for the moves they have made. Alot of these guys have a few minor isssues but none have any major issues (such as carrying illegal guns, selling drugs, being in gangs, rape, theft.....yada yada yada). Some of our young guys smoked the dubage too much in college (who didn't), Bly being rough with a teamate in the media, gimme a break. Gossip in the work place is everywhere and everbody does it. NFL is no different. Every locker room has it. Bly is not a bad guy because of that nor are the Florida brothers for smoking some joints in college. Henry should have known better but he is paying the child support so I hardly call him a bad guy. Maybe he thinks with his pecker more then his brain but that doesn't mean he should be looked at like somebody who rapes or sells drugs or sells illegal guns and all that stuff.

If that's the best you can dig up on us, then you aint saying much.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This isn't Simon Rice circa 2002. How many D-linemen have been through Denver this year looking for this vaunted pass rush? Serious question.
The AFC West wasn't shaken to the core today. You signed a pass rusher that has never taken care of himself on the back end of his career. I suppose it's better than what you had.


It is certainly better than what we had.

Not only that, but a healthy Simeon Rice could be the best pass rusher in the division. His ceiling is A+ , and his floor is average. I think that he'll end up somewhere in between.

If he can 1) help get the team off of the field on third down, and 2) help the team get turnovers, then he becomes extremely valuable to a defense that boasts the best secondary in the entire NFL.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

Guys with enormous egos often stick their foot in their mouth. They don't understand when their jokes aren't funny. Bottom line: Players want him on their teams.

"With Sim we can be special," said Broncos safety John Lynch, who was Rice’s teammate in Tampa for three seasons. "I think the thing that always bothered me, was the rap I think that he got was he can’t play the run. I don’t think that’s true. It doesn’t always look the prettiest, but he got the job done and did it well. He’s a funny guy and his teammates love him, but sometimes he gets the knock of being some kind of character problem. But I can certainly vouch for his character and his ability."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5689127,00.html

[Atlas]

I don't think any of the guys that we brought in will detract from the team by being here... I'm just saying that we're not bringing in the kind of squad that makes someone really want to get on their feet and cheer for em... I liked Mike Bell when it was a feel good story... now he may move on so that's kinda done... I always like Lang... Apparently KJ was a fan favorite but I don't really know the story behind him... Plummer had his fans and his enemies, that went out last year with Cutler who seems to have cue cards for every interview I've ever heard, his personality seems to come directly from a teleprompter... the Oline guys are still cool but they're on their way out within the next few years... who have they brought in lately that makes you cheer for them like some of the personalities of yesteryear?

So why don't you like Rice.... Because of what some other psoters have said about him? Be a man and think for yourself.

[Electric Chair]

Dude, he never missed a game in his career. WTF are you talking about.

The two sacks in the 8 games he played last year, Popps. Did Tampa only play half a season last year? :~ohyah!:

[epicSocialism4tw]

I can guarantee you that AFC West head coaches will begin reevaluating the Broncos defense right now. Rice has the potential to be devastating with Champ, Bly, and Lynch patrolling the secondary. All he has to do is beat his man to get pressure on the QB and the probability for a turnover increases dramatically. Rice has never played with a Champ, much less Champ and Bly. This could be fun.

We could legitimately lead the AFC in takeaways this season.

[Atlas]

"With Sim we can be special," said Broncos safety John Lynch, who was Rice’s teammate in Tampa for three seasons. "I think the thing that always bothered me, was the rap I think that he got was he can’t play the run. I don’t think that’s true. It doesn’t always look the prettiest, but he got the job done and did it well. He’s a funny guy and his teammates love him, but sometimes he gets the knock of being some kind of character problem. But I can certainly vouch for his character and his ability."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5689127,00.html


Oh what does John Lynch know?? Obviously he doesn't know as much about Rice as the posters of the orangemane!!!

[azbroncfan]

We could legitimately lead the AFC in takeaways this season.

Going to have to find a way to stop the run first.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

Oh what does John Lynch know?? Obviously he doesn't know as much about Rice as the posters of the orangemane!!!

True. John Lynch is a silly, Kool-Aid drinking, rainbow-colored-glasses-wearing homer!

[Seamus]

After reading through 7 pages of this you would think we just signed TO! Holly somokes, he has got more negative comments then the defense during the AFC championship game against the Steelers. (well maybe not that many).

Anyhow besides changing out the Browncows with the new Bates scheme I haven't seen any great improvements (Dumerville is a step in the right direction, however every down is an issue, I don't care how long his arms are.) on the pass rush that usually torches us on third downs.
A proven candidate is available and Denver made the acqusition to bring them in.

Hey we got great uniforms and a great winning track record, and a leader on the defense (Lynch) has a relationship and recommends he comes in. The price and contract length is right, he lets see some PASS RUSH this year!

I can speculate what the board would look like if we maintained the status quoe and didn't pick him up when he was available, and not improve pass rushing.

[Xenos]

Dude, correct me if I am wrong, but did your team not just last year have a guy shot by an undercover cop, another guy implicated in drug traffiking, and another guy test positive for steroids?

The first two guys are gone. The last broke the NFL rules, and not the law. Still, he embarassed the team whether intentionally or not, and was given a warning like Foley and Kiel. And since Foley and Kiel chose to ignore those prior warnings, they are gone now. The Foley incident was probably inevitable due to his past, but the Kiel thing was unfortunate because the guy didn't have any criminal history prior to be drafted. It just happened.
San Diego also decided to not repeat its past mistakes, and deliberately chose to go after hard working and good character guys like Davis and Weddle.
Oh and I don't know anything concerning character with Rice. If he hasn't broken the law, then I don't really know. Why is he an ass again?

[BigPlayShay]

The first two guys are gone. The last broke the NFL rules, and not the law. Still, he embarassed the team whether intentionally or not, and was given a warning like Foley and Kiel. And since Foley and Kiel chose to ignore those prior warnings, they are gone now. The Foley incident was probably inevitable due to his past, but the Kiel thing was unfortunate because the guy didn't have any criminal history prior to be drafted. It just happened.
San Diego also decided to not repeat its past mistakes, and deliberately chose to go after hard working and good character guys like Davis and Weddle.

Please read the rest of the thread and tell me what Simeon Rice has done that is similar to the players that I mentioned (Kiel, Foley, Merriman, Castillo).

[JJJ]

He should help no doubt in my opinion. If the injury is healed up he is a good player.

But someone said it earlier you will have to stop the run, especially against the AFC West teams. Don't look for much passing against the Broncos this year by either SD or KC. I expect a steady diet of LT and LJ. You will have to shore up the run defense before Rice can become a factor.

[Xenos]

Please read the rest of the thread and tell me what Simeon Rice has done that is similar to the players that I mentioned (Kiel, Foley, Merriman, Castillo).

I just edited my previous post to include my question about Rice's character.
Oh and Castillo didn't take HGH before the combine. It was a legal over the counter drug when he first purchased it. Unfortunately, when he used it (and this is the important part) it was banned. He paid the mistake and SD basically treated him like you guys did Thomas. If he messes up again, he forfeits his bonus money. But other than that incident, there hasn't been any other problems with him in the past at all.

[footstepsfrom#27]

This isn't Simon Rice circa 2002. How many D-linemen have been through Denver this year looking for this vaunted pass rush? Serious question.

The AFC West wasn't shaken to the core today. You signed a pass rusher that has never taken care of himself on the back end of his career. I suppose it's better than what you had.
He had 14 sacks and 6 forced fumbles in 2005, so obviously you don't know what you're talking about.

[NW Bolt Fan]

How'd he do in '06? Passed a physica right? WHOOPS, guess that's '07.

[Atlas]

How'd he do in '06? Passed a physica right? WHOOPS, guess that's '07.

You guys are idiots. Go back to the beach you know nothing about football.

[NW Bolt Fan]

I can guarantee you that AFC West head coaches will begin reevaluating the Broncos defense right now. Rice has the potential to be devastating with Champ, Bly, and Lynch patrolling the secondary. All he has to do is beat his man to get pressure on the QB and the probability for a turnover increases dramatically. Rice has never played with a Champ, much less Champ and Bly. This could be fun.

We could legitimately lead the AFC in takeaways this season.
Hilarious! PLEASE.

It's Rice TO THE RESCUE!!! Some of you guys are beginning to behave as turd fans. Applauding and approving every pre-season "roster" bolstering move... For turd fans I can understand- it truly IS their only time to celebrate. Your guys' team hasn't been destitute for that long, and I'm surprised at the reactions...

[NW Bolt Fan]

You guys are idiots. Go back to the beach you know nothing about football.
Touche. But to the moutains with you. Don't hate. You know it's true. Rice in '02 is what you WISH Jarvis was gonna be- clearly that ain't the case.

[Xenos]

He had 14 sacks and 6 forced fumbles in 2005, so obviously you don't know what you're talking about.

The problem, if I was to look at this objectively, is that he's in the twilight of his career and has just come off a major injury. The fact that he has never had a major injury before last season is important. However, the fact that he's 33 also makes that injury more worrying since you don't heal as well when you're that old in the NFL.
Obviously, you're hoping for another Neil Smith in Rice and that's appropriate. But as it stands, his ceiling isn't as high as it was five years ago, and he's no longer the best pass rusher now that he's in the AFC West.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You know that your team made a good signing when opposing fans show up en masse.

[Xenos]

You know that your team made a good signing when opposing fans show up en masse.

Yeah. We also showed up for the Kennedy signing as well...:)

[NW Bolt Fan]

You know that your team made a good signing when opposing fans show up en masse.
:spit: Drink it in.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I honestly don't even know how to respond to that... I don't know how to properly express the emotions that give you the urge to draw back and punch someone in the mouth.
Whether you like to admit it or not, there's a growing majority of people in this country who believe we're wasting precious American lives in a war we can't win, shouldn't have gotten into in the first place, did so for all the wrong reasons, and now can't easily get out of. Remind you of anything? Why does my calling attention to the fact that his decision was unfortunate...and while the result of noble motives...none the less tragic...anger you?

In light of the fact that his decision resulted in his death, possibly at the hands of his own men...are you saying nobody should question whether the choice he made was the right one? Why? Just to reinforce the idea that this whole ill advised ventue was somehow worth it because you don't want to admit otherwise?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Dude, don't sweat it. Think of Footsteps as some dog turd you stepped in. You're initially annoyed, but the smell goes away. In fact, your average pile of dog turd serves a much more vital function to humanity than Footsteps.

Blame me. I attempted to discuss a subject with him as if he had any intelligence or rationale, and got the same results everyone else gets... stinky shoes.

He gets his ass handed to him in every debate I've ever seen him in... and ultimately resorts to attention ploys like the one he just tried. (Bashing Tillman.)

Do yourself a favor and forget he exists, like everyone else here.
Hilarious! You're a numbskull. I didn't "bash Tillman"...what a poor attempt at spin. A child could see through that. I simply made the point that Rice was/is entitled to his opinion on 1) the war, and 2) the wisdom of Tillman's decison to join it. Guess what? Most of the rest of the country now thinks it's been a bad idea, so yeah...I can certainly see why Rice expressing that opinion makes him an A-hole as you suggested. Tillman's dead...you're right...no need to question whether that was a good idea or not.

What an idiot.

[Bronco LB 59]

Touche. But to the moutains with you. Don't hate. You know it's true. Rice in '02 is what you WISH Jarvis was gonna be- clearly that ain't the case.

It's safe to say a majority of Denver fans didn't believe a rookie would match the production of a perennial Pro Bowler in his prime.

[Popps]

The two sacks in the 8 games he played last year, Popps. Did Tampa only play half a season last year? :~ohyah!:

You're kidding, right? I obviously meant before the shoulder injury, which is the crux of the entire conversation, I assume. He had one injury in his career, last year.

Hence, "he never took care of himself" is dummy dribble.

[Popps]

Tillman's dead...you're right...no need to question whether that was a good idea or not.
.

You know, you're right. No one has ever died doing anything worthwhile on this planet.

Right on point, as usual.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You know, you're right. No one has ever died doing anything worthwhile on this planet.

Right on point, as usual.
And what percentage of the public now believes this crap comes under the heading of "worthwhile"? Fact is...most don't unless they're so incredibly stupid they haven't figured out we were conned by now. And who are you to tell others whether they can hold the opinion that dying over there for a pack of lies was "worthwhile" and if they don't think so that makes them an A-hole?

I lost a brother in Vietnam you pile, so don't tell me what's worthwhile and what's not.

[fontaine]

Dude, correct me if I am wrong, but did your team not just last year have a guy shot by an undercover cop, another guy implicated in drug traffiking, and another guy test positive for steroids?

I know it's not the right answer but isn't David Boston a yes to all three?

I can still remember Schotty licking his nutsack up and down when SD signed him.

[baja]

You know, you're right. No one has ever died doing anything worthwhile on this planet.

Right on point, as usual.

Sadly Tilman died at the hands of American fire in a conflict to eradicate Taliban terrorists who are now stronger than pre 9/11. I would say Tilman died in vane. Thanks Bushco.

Every American should see the documentary film "No End in Sight"

[400HZ]

And what percentage of the public now believes this crap comes under the heading of "worthwhile"? Fact is...most don't unless they're so incredibly stupid they haven't figured out we were conned by now. And who are you to tell others whether they can hold the opinion that dying over there for a pack of lies was "worthwhile" and if they don't think so that makes them an A-hole?

I lost a brother in Vietnam you pile, so don't tell me what's worthwhile and what's not.

It wasn't just him dissing Tillman that pissed people off, it was the fact that he belittled every American soldier/marine/etc who chose to enlist and serve their country. Pretty much anybody who has served in combat or lost a friend in combat is going to be incredibly offended by that.

[Sassy]

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[fontaine]

It wasn't just him dissing Tillman that pissed people off, it was the fact that he belittled every American soldier/marine/etc who chose to enlist and serve their country. Pretty much anybody who has served in combat or lost a friend in combat is going to be incredibly offended by that


Really? When did he say that? I thought he made specific comments about Tillman concerning his decision to forego millions of dollars to sign up in the military.

As far as I recall there were plenty of others in the media who made similar comments. Rice was tasteless in punctuating his statements with the Rambo remark. That was stupid, but how do you mean he belittled every American/soldier/marine?

[That One Guy]

And what percentage of the public now believes this crap comes under the heading of "worthwhile"? Fact is...most don't unless they're so incredibly stupid they haven't figured out we were conned by now. And who are you to tell others whether they can hold the opinion that dying over there for a pack of lies was "worthwhile" and if they don't think so that makes them an A-hole?

I lost a brother in Vietnam you pile, so don't tell me what's worthwhile and what's not.

Hesitantly, I respond to your post... The simple fact is that Tillman had no real influence on whether the war happened or not, he just had an influence on whether he fought in it or not. I'm not going to get into politics here, I've already seen the pit that the politics forum is, but a guy should NEVER be disrespected for fighting alongside his countrymen, no matter how lame the cause is. When Americans were going to fight and die, Tillman chose to be one of them fighting... That deserves more respect then Rambo comments and saying that Tillman "wasn't very good anyways." That just sounds like Rice opening his mouth to take some parting shots and get the last word kinda thing.

And to claim you had a brother in Vietnam and then talk like this... is very suprising. You'd think you'd be able to seperate the political feelings for the personal feelings... someone is just as dead when they get shot in a meaningless war as they are when they die in a meaningful one.

However you try to spin it... Tillman had left to fight in a war that, at least at the time, was very popular and made Tillman into a national icon... and Rice chose to question his ability and say he saw too many Rambo movies. For anyone to buy into his "He and I were friends, it's ok" response is BS. Anyone that can't see through that is just getting too disoriented from the kool-aid and the Orange glasses.

[Broncojef]

And what percentage of the public now believes this crap comes under the heading of "worthwhile"? Fact is...most don't unless they're so incredibly stupid they haven't figured out we were conned by now. And who are you to tell others whether they can hold the opinion that dying over there for a pack of lies was "worthwhile" and if they don't think so that makes them an A-hole?

I lost a brother in Vietnam you pile, so don't tell me what's worthwhile and what's not.

Nice. Almost glad I take issue with every other point of view you ever espouse.

[That One Guy]

So why don't you like Rice.... Because of what some other psoters have said about him? Be a man and think for yourself.

Dangit, I'm always forgetting to be a man.. it's soo easy to just get caught up in believing what everyone else tells me.

Anyways, I've been reading and I've said I don't think the guy will cause any problems to our team, I just don't think he's one of those guys you can really cheer for. He's arrogant, cocky, and generally sounds like an ass. It'd be easy to say he's not selfish because he supposedly passed up a better offer in TB to come join us for 3 MIL a year... but he probably cares more about getting himself another ring and he thinks he can do more things with the secondary we have which will allow him longer to get to the QB... so it's all a matter of how you look at things and perceive him. I just perceive him to be the standard, arrogant "I can do and say what I want" kind of athlete... Again, I don't expect real problems... just not gonna be one of my favorite people. Success on his part will probably be enjoyed, I won't even care who's taking down the QB at that point... but I can say I'd enjoy the story more if it were someone like Dumervil enjoying that success...

And for those swallowing everything Lynch is throwing out there... what do you really expect him to say? He knows we need more line help... he wants to win... he probably figures Rice can help us win... either way, is he gonna come out to the media and say "Man, that guy's garbage. You enter the lockerroom every day and just wish you could all line up and punch him in the mouth to get the day started. But, then, we'd never really have a reason to play as we'd have taken all our negative agression out on this piece and we'd all be too happy to be on the field..." Of course he's gonna say good things, nobody ever wants to talk bad about someone, especially someone like Lynch.

[Paladin]

It wasn't just him dissing Tillman that pissed people off, it was the fact that he belittled every American soldier/marine/etc who chose to enlist and serve their country. Pretty much anybody who has served in combat or lost a friend in combat is going to be incredibly offended by that.

That is a typical neo-conservative, right wing stupid arsed conclusion. Believe what you will, who gives a rats' arse?

Fact is, I don't care what Rice said, that train has left the station a long time ago. We cannot un-ring the bell, so the whole "war" thing is now a problem to get out as quickly as possible, in as good a set of circumstances as possible. All the re-hashing is not going to help. My opinion is just that: Mine. I will obviously vote my way and I will pressure my Senator my way, but I don't need to trumpet it out there on a damm internet site devoted to BRONCO FOOTBALL.

Sometimes I think people are intentionally foolish so that the rest of us can feel better about ourselves. Righteous indignation is a stupid emoption. Just STFU and vote privately and let's talk about the Broncos......

[400HZ]

Really? When did he say that? I thought he made specific comments about Tillman concerning his decision to forego millions of dollars to sign up in the military.

As far as I recall there were plenty of others in the media who made similar comments. Rice was tasteless in punctuating his statements with the Rambo remark. That was stupid, but how do you mean he belittled every American/soldier/marine?

Heroes aren't found in arenas
http://intellectualize.org/archives/001975.html

The Pat Tillman (little) effect


And while there has been an outpouring of support for the U.S. troops from athletes in all sports, no other high-profile professional athlete has followed Tillman's selfless example. In fact, former Cardinals teammate Simeon Rice, now a member of the Super Bowl champion-Tampa Bay Buccaneers, disparaged Tillman in an interview on Jim Rome's radio show last month.

Pat Tillman has been alone among today's professional athletes at the highest level, giving up his career to serve his country.
"He really wasn't that good, not really," Rice said. "He was good enough to play in Arizona, [but] that's just like the XFL."

After several more promptings from Rome, Rice allowed, "I think it's very admirable, actually. You've got to give kudos to a guy like that because he did it for his own reasons. Maybe it's the Rambo movies, maybe it's Sylvester Stallone, Rocky, whatever compels him."

More likely, it was Tillman's love for America, not to mention his brother, who also enlisted. In the aftermath of the interview, Rice's remarks were seen as symptomatic of today's privileged, self-centered professional athletes who have been enabled from their earliest playing days.


So everybody who volunteered to give years of their life, go into harms way, and perhaps make the ultimate sacrifice for their country is just doing it to play Rambo or Rocky? Maybe it's because I'm a veteran, but I don't see how you can be much more offensive than that on the public stage. It goes beyond Tillman. It's a slap in the face to the entire armed forces, including the thousands who have died.

[400HZ]

That is a typical neo-conservative, right wing stupid arsed conclusion. Believe what you will, who gives a rats' arse?

Fact is, I don't care what Rice said, that train has left the station a long time ago. We cannot un-ring the bell, so the whole "war" thing is now a problem to get out as quickly as possible, in as good a set of circumstances as possible. All the re-hashing is not going to help. My opinion is just that: Mine. I will obviously vote my way and I will pressure my Senator my way, but I don't need to trumpet it out there on a damm internet site devoted to BRONCO FOOTBALL.

Sometimes I think people are intentionally foolish so that the rest of us can feel better about ourselves. Righteous indignation is a stupid emoption. Just STFU and vote privately and let's talk about the Broncos......

If Rice had said "I don't support the war" he would have been just one more of hundreds of public figures who said that. Nobody cares about that. I don't support the war. It's not offensive to say that. Rice wasn't speaking out against the war though, he was spitting in the face of the men and women fighting it.

[Paladin]

Lame

[Beantown Bronco]

So everybody who volunteered to give years of their life, go into harms way, and perhaps make the ultimate sacrifice for their country is just doing it to play Rambo or Rocky? Maybe it's because I'm a veteran, but I don't see how you can be much more offensive than that on the public stage. It goes beyond Tillman. It's a slap in the face to the entire armed forces, including the thousands who have died.

I didn't get that from his quote at all. He was specifically talking about Tillman because he knew him personally. And several other people who supposedly knew Tillman were saying similar things about him when his choice to enlist was news. Many said he was an adrenaline junky, craved the rush of battle, was a gun fanatic, etc. I don't know exactly why people are piling on Rice now when several others were saying this years ago.

[400HZ]

I didn't get that from his quote at all. He was specifically talking about Tillman because he knew him personally. And several other people who supposedly knew Tillman were saying similar things about him when his choice to enlist was news. Many said he was an adrenaline junky, craved the rush of battle, was a gun fanatic, etc. I don't know exactly why people are piling on Rice now when several others were saying this years ago.

You can draw from it whatever you want.

[That One Guy]

Back to the point of this thread though, all these little things just contribute to him being a general jackass. If he can succeed on the field, that will undoubtedly be forgotten. Lets just hope he can.

[DenverBrit]

Heroes aren't found in arenas
http://intellectualize.org/archives/001975.html

The Pat Tillman (little) effect


So everybody who volunteered to give years of their life, go into harms way, and perhaps make the ultimate sacrifice for their country is just doing it to play Rambo or Rocky? Maybe it's because I'm a veteran, but I don't see how you can be much more offensive than that on the public stage. It goes beyond Tillman. It's a slap in the face to the entire armed forces, including the thousands who have died.

Rice talked about Tillman's motivation, not yours, not mine, not anyone else's, and certainly not 'everybody.'

[Garcia Bronco]

Heroes aren't found in arenas
http://intellectualize.org/archives/001975.html

The Pat Tillman (little) effect


So everybody who volunteered to give years of their life, go into harms way, and perhaps make the ultimate sacrifice for their country is just doing it to play Rambo or Rocky? Maybe it's because I'm a veteran, but I don't see how you can be much more offensive than that on the public stage. It goes beyond Tillman. It's a slap in the face to the entire armed forces, including the thousands who have died.


That's exactly what I took form his comments as well. I don't like the guy at all.

[DenverBrit]

I didn't get that from his quote at all. He was specifically talking about Tillman because he knew him personally. And several other people who supposedly knew Tillman were saying similar things about him when his choice to enlist was news. Many said he was an adrenaline junky, craved the rush of battle, was a gun fanatic, etc. I don't know exactly why people are piling on Rice now when several others were saying this years ago.


Some just find something that offends then they beat it to death beyond all reason.
Suggesting Tillman had some Rambo in him is apparently a slap at the flag and country and insults everyone who ever served.
Less caffeine might help.

[Crushaholic]

Did I just stumble into the WRP forum?:rofl:

[telluride]

I'm going to guess that Tillman's mother, father, brother, and even Tillman himself now wishes that enough "asses" such as Rice had spoken up and convinced Pat Tillman to rethink his decision. Rice is guilty only of being cynical about Tillman's role in the war. And prior to his death, apparently even Pat Tillman was feeling awfully cynical about his role in the war. I think Tillman would have been the first to forgive -- and probably laugh about -- Rice's comments.

[TotallyScrewed]

I don't think any of the guys that we brought in will detract from the team by being here... I'm just saying that we're not bringing in the kind of squad that makes someone really want to get on their feet and cheer for em... I liked Mike Bell when it was a feel good story... now he may move on so that's kinda done... I always like Lang... Apparently KJ was a fan favorite but I don't really know the story behind him... Plummer had his fans and his enemies, that went out last year with Cutler who seems to have cue cards for every interview I've ever heard, his personality seems to come directly from a teleprompter... the Oline guys are still cool but they're on their way out within the next few years... who have they brought in lately that makes you cheer for them like some of the personalities of yesteryear?


Ummmm....I like Walker, Marshall, Stokely. I really like Smith and I've not given up on him or his career. I like Scheffler, Graham AND Leach. I sorta like Jackson and Alexander (great block last week, get well soon!). I like Nalen and Lepsis (although I wish he was faster/quicker). I like both Chris's. I hope Pears does well. He seems to be a nice guy. I like Cutler (and Culter).

IN SHORT...WFT are you talking about??

If you can't find anyone on this team worthy of you "cheering", maybe you should move on?

[Popps]

Ummmm....I like Walker, Marshall, Stokely. I really like Smith and I've not given up on him or his career. I like Scheffler, Graham AND Leach. I sorta like Jackson and Alexander (great block last week, get well soon!). I like Nalen and Lepsis (although I wish he was faster/quicker). I like both Chris's. I hope Pears does well. He seems to be a nice guy. I like Cutler (and Culter).

IN SHORT...WFT are you talking about??

If you can't find anyone on this team worthy of you "cheering", maybe you should move on?

I think he said "lately," but it sounds to me like you guys are both right, to an extent.


But, I do like your post, and it illustrates why you don't just abandon your team if they sign someone you don't like.

[Drek]

cah412[/B]] I don't think any of the guys that we brought in will detract from the team by being here... I'm just saying that we're not bringing in the kind of squad that makes someone really want to get on their feet and cheer for em... I liked Mike Bell when it was a feel good story... now he may move on so that's kinda done... I always like Lang... Apparently KJ was a fan favorite but I don't really know the story behind him... Plummer had his fans and his enemies, that went out last year with Cutler who seems to have cue cards for every interview I've ever heard, his personality seems to come directly from a teleprompter... the Oline guys are still cool but they're on their way out within the next few years... who have they brought in lately that makes you cheer for them like some of the personalities of yesteryear?


I cheer for this:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/ca/180px-DenverBroncosOld.gif

I don't need specific players to cheer on.

[Odysseus]

And here is Simeon's quote after Tillman's death:

"It's not a day at all for me to defend myself," Rice said Friday. "It's Pat's day. It's a day to reflect on a friend and teammate. Regardless of the issue, we were teammates. We were friends. I wanted to see him do well, and I wanted to see him come home. (What was said) has nothing to do with him being a patriot, an American hero. I mourn him."

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/24/Sports/Simeon_Rice___I_mourn.shtml

Thanks.

[That One Guy]

Ummmm....I like Walker, Marshall, Stokely. I really like Smith and I've not given up on him or his career. I like Scheffler, Graham AND Leach. I sorta like Jackson and Alexander (great block last week, get well soon!). I like Nalen and Lepsis (although I wish he was faster/quicker). I like both Chris's. I hope Pears does well. He seems to be a nice guy. I like Cutler (and Culter).

IN SHORT...WFT are you talking about??

If you can't find anyone on this team worthy of you "cheering", maybe you should move on?

I also like Marshall, I think in a few years he could be a fan favorite, right now though he's just had a bit too much negative spotlight. You are right though in that he's a good up and comer. Walker I think is a great athlete and was ecstatic when he was signed here but he's just another high priced athlete that was brought in. He has still spent more of his career elsewhere than in Denver, forgive me if I don't attach to him. Same with Stokely in that he's a great player and probably exactly what I'm talking about in the kind of person I like to see succeed... except that he was that person for Indy and he's just here to tack on a few extra seasons. Despite the fact that he's played awesome, noone wants to see the guy start here, everyone wants our homegrown talent Marshall to start. That's not SOLELY because Marshall has more potential. It's also just the feelings folks have towards the players, they want to see more of Marshall and let Stokely fill that kinda behind the scenes role. Graham has yet to play in a real game as a Bronco. Scheffler showed flashes of talent but nobody knows anything about the guy... you can hardly root for him personally. Leach, Jackson, and Alexander... three guys that again, you never hear anything about and also three guys that a lot of folks have been clamoring for their release... obviously they captivate the crowd. The OL, yes, it's awesome and you always want to cheer for them... I think the ones of yesterday (Lepsis and Nalen) are awesome and hope that the ones coming in can only grow in their mold. I've already said my piece about Cutler, it seems like he has no opinion that isn't fed to him through cue cards... it seems as though he's so worried about assuming the leadership role that he's afraid to say the wrong things and just continues to give the "oh, we're doing great but we can improve so we're going to go out and practice hard and get ready for next week" answer to like every question. Everyone on the team is an amazing talent, every player will contribute considerably... you know the deal. As for Rod... he's a great guy, definitely will always be a fan favorite... but until I see otherwise, I don't expect him back this year. Maybe next year but I just kinda think that with the squad we have right now, he'll essentially be a forgotten man by mid-season and they'll give him a chance to compete next training camp. You can't just reshuffle everything mid-season if it's working so that you can get a favorite back on the squad.

Now, for players that I actually like... someone like Foxworth. Guys like Lynch. Wilson was great but he's moved on. There's not a whole lot of those guys that you can look at and say "Man, that's just a great guy all around."

Just because you can spout a number of players on the Broncos doesn't mean it applies to my statement in any way. Too often when you actually get a glimse of the personality of players, it's not a pretty sight. I just wish there were more players that you could be proud to root for personally, not just for success on the field.

And, once again, great job on finishing out your post with the "WTF are you talking about" statement, nothing inspires good, rational debate as much as essentially calling someone a moron.

[That One Guy]

I cheer for this:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/ca/180px-DenverBroncosOld.gif

I don't need specific players to cheer on.

To a degree, that's always the truth... the team will be there long after the current players move on. However, to say you don't find something on the team to attach to and cheer for... then why are you cheering? Are you getting a portion of the proceeds from their success? Have money on the game? Just want bragging rights over your friends? Cheering on the team is always foremost in importance but, at least for me, it's cheering on the "good guys" that really makes it fun and makes you feel good when they succeed. I never could cheer for the bad guys when I was younger watching WWF, I still can't now. I can still cheer for overall success for the team but if I knew there was a equally competent backup behind Travis Henry... I wouldn't be disappointed if he decided to retire tomorrow.

[Popcorn Sutton]

I cheer for this:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/ca/180px-DenverBroncosOld.gif

I don't need specific players to cheer on.

Cheers to that. :thumbsup:

[epicSocialism4tw]

His opinion of our armed forces is a low one, and he's certainly not alone. You even hear garbage opinions like that spouted off by politicians. Heck, John Kerry called them a bunch of good-for-nothing idiots.

Unfortunately, our nation has bred a spirit of disrespect for our own armed forces.

It's very sad, but I'm sure that if you visited your local high school and local university that you would hear similar things being said by teachers, professors, and students.

It's just the sad state of affairs here in what used to be the United States of America.

It doesnt excuse Rice for making insensitive remarks about people who should be very important to all of us, but it doesnt make him alone in his opinion either. In fact it's quite fashionable to display such brash foolishness.

[That One Guy]

His opinion of our armed forces is a low one, and he's certainly not alone. You even hear garbage opinions like that spouted off by politicians. Heck, John Kerry called them a bunch of good-for-nothing idiots.

Unfortunately, our nation has bred a spirit of disrespect for our own armed forces.

It's very sad, but I'm sure that if you visited your local high school and local university that you would hear similar things being said by teachers, professors, and students.

It's just the sad state of affairs here in what used to be the United States of America.

It doesnt excuse Rice for making insensitive remarks about people who should be very important to all of us, but it doesnt make him alone in his opinion either. In fact it's quite fashionable to display such brash foolishness.

wow, a sensible, very accurate post by Angryllama... apparently someone hacked his account

[Garcia Bronco]

wow, a sensible, very accurate post by Angryllama... apparently someone hacked his account

Actually many of his posts are like that.

[That One Guy]

Actually many of his posts are like that.

Huh, so far I've seen about... one. I don't want to take away from that one though, he pretty much nailed it.

The rest of his posts are completely off though.

[Drek]

To a degree, that's always the truth... the team will be there long after the current players move on. However, to say you don't find something on the team to attach to and cheer for... then why are you cheering? Are you getting a portion of the proceeds from their success? Have money on the game? Just want bragging rights over your friends? Cheering on the team is always foremost in importance but, at least for me, it's cheering on the "good guys" that really makes it fun and makes you feel good when they succeed. I never could cheer for the bad guys when I was younger watching WWF, I still can't now. I can still cheer for overall success for the team but if I knew there was a equally competent backup behind Travis Henry... I wouldn't be disappointed if he decided to retire tomorrow.

I don't find it hard to cheer for the organization, and therefore all the players who wear orange and blue.

I cheer for laundry. I don't need the warm fuzzies associated with watching individual stories about adversity and triumph for single players. I get mine from knowing that on Sundays I can watch a team of guys fully dedicated towards the same goal, making something special happen 16 out of 17 Sundays in a row, just so they can do it all over again against the best the world has to offer in a sudden death match-up to prove who's the fastest, strongest, toughest, and most importantly, the most dedicated. I.E. who's the best. I watch football for football, I cheer for the Broncos because their organization is ran the way I think a football organization should be and because for pretty much my entire life they've played football the way I think it should be played. I don't need individual guys to rally behind, I'm set with cheering for all 53 every week. From Champ Bailey to Mike Leach, anyone who gives their best and helps us win.

[Garcia Bronco]

Huh, so far I've seen about... one. I don't want to take away from that one though, he pretty much nailed it.

The rest of his posts are completely off though.

Well...they are out there.

[Cito Pelon]

It's just my opinion, boss. I didn't think "Pro Bowl" Kavika Pittman had what it takes, and I don't think Elvis has what it takes. I think he's a fine situational player, and I also think he'd be great in a 3-4 defense. I think he gets absolutely mauled on running plays and in reality, even as a pass rusher... if a linemen gets their hands on him, it's over. He's pushed to the ground like a high school kid.



Shanahan is telling the truth half the time. If you can figure out which half, you're probably psychic and don't know it.



He's just shot his mouth off at any opportunity, including the obvious Tillman stuff that was over the top.

Now he's talking about "cementing his legacy." LOL What a ****ing dork.

Rice has a talent for rubbing people the wrong way. I think 99.9% of what he says is not meant to be malicious. He just doesn't have that section of the brain that edits one's first thoughts so they come out in a way that avoids making a fool of oneself.

[bclimb1983]

I just got done reading the entire thread and this has been too funny.

A couple of you got so tied up with Rice's comments and about what players on other teams have done or said that its become a mess!

The bottom line is that the most anyone has been able to say about Rice is that he shot his mouth off on a show who is hosted by a guy known to bait people into saying things they shouldn't. Is what Rice said offensive?? Of course it is. You can't argue that.

I can promise you that everyone makes stupid comments now and then. While most people would have the sesnse to keep these comments behind closed doors, Rice was too arrogant to keep his stupid thoughts to himself. Ive seen several posts on this thread that are just about as senseless as what Rice said..but that doesn't make any of you "troublemakers" or whatever else you want to call him.

But seriously..how does this translate into a bad signing??

Rice brings nothing but upside to our team! He help on the field, bring in some leadership to a young line, and hopefully give the youngins a few tips for the future.

If he's a bust...who cares!! He was cheap, and the team isn't any worse for the attempt.

I like bringing Rice to the team and I think its a win win situation.

[sixtimeseight]

Popps is just jealous because he's old and fat and never accomplished any of his goals in life. Heaven forbid a man at the top of his profession would want to leave a legacy.

[Cito Pelon]

To me.. it seems like a lot of small things that generally make him sound like a dirtbag. There was the Tillman bashing of course. There was somebody mentioning that he had threatened to take plays off to avoid being franchised by AZ... there was him coming here for his "legacy"... He may not be a bad guy personally but it just sounds like he has a big mouth and seems to think a lot about himself. I personally prefer the types like Lang who, when we drafted 2 DEs in the draft, just said he'd fight for the last biscuit on the table and went out there and competed. That's the kind of guy I'd love to have leading the team... unfortunately, he wasn't the most experienced so the guy we now have our rookies looking up to is more concerned with making a legacy...

Dirtbag is not a good characterization. "Dork" was Popps word, and that fits.

[Popps]

Popps is just jealous because he's old and fat and never accomplished any of his goals in life. Heaven forbid a man at the top of his profession would want to leave a legacy.

LOL

6'2" 180. Ripe old age of 38. Wheelchair material, huh?

Look, you're starting to sound a little frustrated. You went from making no sense, to just sounding like a child throwing a temper tantrum.

Take a few days off... read, and learn. Soak in some information... try to improve your game.

Then, come back... and give it another go. It's cool, man. Some people just aren't naturally good at this.

[sixtimeseight]

Ripe old age of 38.

Calm down, grandpa. Don't have a heart attack.

[theAPAOps5]

LOL

6'2" 180. Ripe old age of 38. Wheelchair material, huh?

Look, you're starting to sound a little frustrated. You went from making no sense, to just sounding like a child throwing a temper tantrum.

Take a few days off... read, and learn. Soak in some information... try to improve your game.

Then, come back... and give it another go. It's cool, man. Some people just aren't naturally good at this.

He has resorted to childish insults. A clear sign he is completely over matched.

[That One Guy]

Dirtbag is not a good characterization. "Dork" was Popps word, and that fits.

Yeah, I've confessed that dirtbag probably isn't the best description for him as he hasn't done any singlely terrible things... I guess it just rolls off the tongue easiest and prevents me from having to find a new word for him.

[NYBronc]

I thought these thoughts after Pat Tillman's death by Rice were contrite and encouraging.

<i>Many thought Rice's comments minimized Tillman's sacrifice. Friday, Rice said it is that sacrifice, not his comments, that should be the important issue.

"That doesn't slight Pat, at all," Rice said. "It was just one opinion. We're talking about a great, great person. A free thinker, a great soldier and a great citizen. Look, the essence of who we are isn't shaped by us being football players or by the emblem we wear on our helmet. It's about what we do as a person and what he did was heroic. It's measured by the things we do and say that have compelling (impacts) on other people's lives. Those are the things that summarize who Pat was."

[Garcia Bronco]

I thought these thoughts after Pat Tillman's death by Rice were contrite and encouraging.

<i>Many thought Rice's comments minimized Tillman's sacrifice. Friday, Rice said it is that sacrifice, not his comments, that should be the important issue.

"That doesn't slight Pat, at all," Rice said. "It was just one opinion. We're talking about a great, great person. A free thinker, a great soldier and a great citizen. Look, the essence of who we are isn't shaped by us being football players or by the emblem we wear on our helmet. It's about what we do as a person and what he did was heroic. It's measured by the things we do and say that have compelling (impacts) on other people's lives. Those are the things that summarize who Pat was."

Hmmmm...I had never seen that.