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Spider
08-28-2007, 10:20 AM
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Truckers must talk English
By MIGUEL TIMOSHENKOV and VICENTE RANGEL, LAREDO MORNING TIMES
08/26/2007
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A commercial truck driver from Monterrey who has crossed Laredos international bridges countless times was stunned earlier this month when he received a ticket from U.S. inspectors because he cant speak English."We were worried," said Samuel Tamez Treviño, owner of the truck that was driven by Rafael Segovia. "We consulted with attorneys. We were somewhat relieved when they told us it would be treated as a warning. But now what are we supposed to do?"

Tamez Treviño, whose transportation company is in Montemorelos, is concerned that his drivers may be unable or unwilling to learn English, considering that even a short, intense course to learn the basics can take five months.

Segovia, who was back home and unavailable for comment, was handed the citation on Aug. 2 at about 4:45 p.m. at the Colombia-Solidarity International Bridge. He also was cited for having non-working brake lights and a leaky hydraulic hose, which are fairly routine violations.

Tamez Treviño said hes never heard of any law requiring that his drivers know English. Many company owners dont speak English, let alone their workers, many of whom dont even have a high school education.

The law requiring that Mexican truckers coming into the United States speak English has been on the books for years, but it has taken on renewed significance with the coming implementation of a new provision that will allow up to 100 Mexican carriers to go beyond the border zone. It also will allow up to 100 U.S. carriers to go deep into Mexico with their loads.

While many international trade supporters praise the move as long overdue and a natural outgrowth of the North American Free Trade Agreement, the plan has many critics, including labor leaders and some U.S. transportation companies who fear the Mexican trucks will be unsafe and create unnecessary risks on U.S. highways.

Nevertheless, a demonstration project is set to begin within a few weeks, allowing Mexican carriers that have passed the required safety audit to take their trucks onto U.S. roads.

Mexican truckers have their own complaints.

"Theyre already bothering us in the United States and it hasnt even started," said Luis Moreno Sesma, president of the Nuevo Laredo branch of Canacar, a national association of transportation company owners. "Its not fair to require English in the commercial (border) zone."

Federal transportation officials in Laredo declined to comment, but a spokeswoman for the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration in Washington said truck drivers who are working only in the border commercial zone may be found in violation of the law for not being able to communicate in English but wont be stopped from crossing.

Those truck drivers who are headed past the border commercial zone, however, will not be allowed to continue their trip if they cant speak English, the spokeswoman said.

"The Mexican drivers may receive citations," said the spokeswoman, who declined to give her name, "but that doesnt mean they have to stop working."

Asked why the Mexican drivers werent given notice about the plan to start enforcing the law, the spokeswoman said Mexican authorities have been fully aware of the plan for some time. The Ministry of Communications and Transportation was involved in creating the demonstration program thats set to start soon.

"Whether the Mexican government has or has not informed the drivers about this law, well, thats something we cant answer for them," she said.

For his part, Moreno Sesma said transportation company owners should form an alliance to seek help from Tamaulipas Gov. Eugenio Hernández Flores.

The leader said he can see the need for drivers heading into the U.S. interior to know English, but insisted that regulation shouldnt apply to those who only drive in the border commercial zone.

(To reach Miguel Timoshenkov call 728-2583 or timo1@lmtonline.com. Laredo Morning Times staffer Norma Mendiola contributed to this report.)

spdirty
08-28-2007, 10:44 AM
What does stop mean? Whats the speed limit? What does that construction sign say?

But its not fair!:vermeil:

Spider
08-28-2007, 10:45 AM
What does stop mean? Whats the speed limit? What does that construction sign say?

But its not fair!

:thumbsup:

El Guapo
08-28-2007, 12:10 PM
They should also learn that we have septic tanks as part of our sewer systems. Im tired of going on a trip, having to stop somewhere to pee and seeing **** stained toilet paper in the trash can.

TailgateNut
08-28-2007, 12:17 PM
They should also learn that we have septic tanks as part of our sewer systems. Im tired of going on a trip, having to stop somewhere to pee and seeing **** stained toilet paper in the trash can.


Nas---ty!


I remember when I was stationed in Korea we had some of the Korean trainees in our barracks. The ****ers used to squat on top of the toilet bowl rim to do their "thing". I guess if you are used to doing things a certain way all your life, it's hard to change!

Hotrod
08-28-2007, 12:17 PM
Does Redneck count???

gunns
08-28-2007, 12:19 PM
I wonder if this will follow the way that "English is the primary language" law. It really helped in my profession. We obtained a language line, which costs taxpayers $35/hr and if you use only a minute of time it's still $35. Also a major change to the computer systems to send out "translated" notices. We also lose hearings if we haven't provided some kind of translation. States take on their own "laws". It's the one thing that infuriates me.

Hopefully they stick with this. Those unwilling to learn English, too bad. Those willing, give them 6 months with proof during that time that they are making the effort to learn.

TailgateNut
08-28-2007, 12:26 PM
Does Redneck count???


Only if you are Sporting a Mullet!

baja
08-28-2007, 01:10 PM
They should know the road signs at a minimum, safety dictates this.

Traveler
08-28-2007, 01:20 PM
Not saying I agree/disagree with all that's been said here. Just saying if they have to learn English just to be in the US, then we Americans should be required to learn Spanish when we are in Spanish speaking countries.

Agree?

Hotrod
08-28-2007, 01:25 PM
Not saying I agree/disagree with all that's been said here. Just saying if they have to learn English just to be in the US, then we Americans should be required to learn Spanish when we are in Spanish speaking countries.

Agree?

If we lived/worked/drove etc then yes we should.

TailgateNut
08-28-2007, 01:38 PM
Not saying I agree/disagree with all that's been said here. Just saying if they have to learn English just to be in the US, then we Americans should be required to learn Spanish when we are in Spanish speaking countries.

Agree?


Disagree.

...and you call yourself "Traveler". Do you know the languages of all the countries you visit? I don't and wont just to "pass through". If I "migrated there, worked there or had a second home there I could see justification. But, otherwise, hell no!

Traveler
08-28-2007, 01:39 PM
If we lived/worked/drove etc then yes we should.

Then we are in agreement!

Traveler
08-28-2007, 01:43 PM
Disagree.

...and you call yourself "Traveler". Do you know the languages of all the countries you visit? I don't and wont just to "pass through". If I "migrated there, worked there or had a second home there I could see justification. But, otherwise, hell no!


Cool! Then what justifies us placing that restriction on them if it doesn't apply to us in their county. Why should they be required to learn English just to "pass thru?"

Spider
08-28-2007, 02:09 PM
Not saying I agree/disagree with all that's been said here. Just saying if they have to learn English just to be in the US, then we Americans should be required to learn Spanish when we are in Spanish speaking countries.

Agree?

hold up bro , isnt about that ......... they can still drive cars , it is the 18 wheelers ......... entirely different world ........... as for me driving a truck in mexico , hell yes I should be able to speak spanish ........ in Canada , I learned the decimal system Kilometers etc ......... have to log in metric while there .....

Traveler
08-28-2007, 02:31 PM
hold up bro , isnt about that ......... they can still drive cars , it is the 18 wheelers ......... entirely different world ........... as for me driving a truck in mexico , hell yes I should be able to speak spanish ........ in Canada , I learned the decimal system Kilometers etc ......... have to log in metric while there .....

It's all good Spider. I don't know what the problems are between truckers and regular drivers. Maybe you can shed some light for me.

The bold portion above is the only point I'm trying to stress. It should be apply both ways IMO.

defenseman
08-28-2007, 02:34 PM
If we lived/worked/drove etc then yes we should.

I would imagine most do. For those in some lofty positions overseas and such, I'm sure the parent company springs for an interpretor...dman

Spider
08-28-2007, 02:35 PM
It's all good Spider. I don't know what the problems are between truckers and regular drivers. Maybe you can shed some light for me.

The bold portion above is the only point I'm trying to stress. It should be apply both ways IMO.

18 wheelers take alot more skill to drive , a world more skill , takes longer to stop , turn , maneuver ........biggest problem is road hazards , if you cant read English , you can not be fully aware of what you are about to face ........ car isnt so bad , but a semi = someone dies .........

Bronco Bob
08-28-2007, 02:56 PM
18 wheelers take alot more skill to drive , a world more skill , takes longer to stop , turn , maneuver ........biggest problem is road hazards , if you cant read English , you can not be fully aware of what you are about to face ........ car isnt so bad , but a semi = someone dies .........

So driving a truck is not like driving a really really big Pinto? :~ohyah!:

Spider
08-28-2007, 02:59 PM
So driving a truck is not like driving a really really big Pinto? :~ohyah!:

I had a pinto back in the day , then got a Maverick LOL ......

Bronco Bob
08-28-2007, 03:25 PM
I had a pinto back in the day , then got a Maverick LOL ......

What are you, a masochist?

Spider
08-28-2007, 04:03 PM
What are you, a masochist?

;D did you know that you can get a pinto air born ? Just dont expect to drive it after you land

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2007, 05:10 PM
It is necessary for spanish speakers to learn traffic law and to adapt to it as it stands here in America. It is dangerous to drive 30mph in a 45 because you dont want to be deported.