Are We The New Bengals?

[cmhargrove]

Just a thought...

The offense looked like it could be really good when we get everyone back into playing shape. Javon needs a little stick 'em, but he looks good getting open and after the catch. Marshall is looking like a bona fide #2, and I love the fact that he was laying downfield blocks for his team mates. Stokely still isn't full speed, but he can always find holes in zone coverage. Scheff and Graham still have a little work, but should get open because of the other guys drawing coverage. Hopefully, Henry will look more like SF than Dallas.

So, that brings up the question, are we going to have to put up 35 points to win each game? (At least for the first half of the season). It reminds me of the Bengals of the past few years, and the Colts of 5 years ago. And, is that a good or bad thing? I think it helped the development of Manning and Palmer and the defense was the "last link." In a way it happened with Elway. He had to carry the team for a while before it all came together.

So, what do you think, and is it all bad?

[Smiling Assassin27]

Offense wins games, defense wins championships. I think the offense may have a heavier load early in the season, but the defense will get it together. Everywhere Bates has been, the defense has been productive so why would this team be any different? Bates' system has worked with less talent but it will take time for the defense to get synchronized.

[BroncoMatt]

at least the broncos aren't all in jail, so in that regards....

[rovolution]

In a way it happened with Elway. He had to carry the team for a while before it all came together.


Are you talking about Elways early years? from my understanding, it was the defense that kept us in games early in Elways career, with the likes of studs such as Mecklenburg, Dennis Smith, Tommy Jackson, Rulon Jones, Kragen, Louis Wright...

[bronco militia]

Are you talking about Elways early years? from my understanding, it was the defense that kept us in games early in Elways career, with the likes of studs such as Mecklenburg, Dennis Smith, Tommy Jackson, Rulon Jones, Kragen, Louis Wright...



yep....

but Elway carried the offense those years

[BigBad]

At least your D knows how to tackle. Have you seen a Bengal game the past few years? Whiff central!!

[bronco militia]

At least your D knows how to tackle. Have you seen a Bengal game the past few years? Whiff central!!


LOL

check out #52 in orange and blue ....he's a is tackling machine!


:garcia: :cuss: :notthissh ~Popps~

[SonOfLe-loLang]

For all the hate on Ian Gold's tackling, he had some nice sticks last game. He got juked hard by Jamal Lewis once, yes...but he wasnt nearly as bad as some of you make him out to be

[Kaylore]

For all the hate on Ian Gold's tackling, he had some nice sticks last game. He got juked hard by Jamal Lewis once, yes...but he wasnt nearly as bad as some of you make him out to be

No, he was crappy and he did that all last season. There was no juking. There was just runners running through him because he has such a small frame and no power.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

No, he was crappy and he did that all last season. There was no juking. There was just runners running through him because he has such a small frame and no power.

Whatever, if i recall the play im thinking about, he had to run over there to get him (perhaps he missed his assignment.) It wasnt like he was set and just got run over. (if i remember correctly)

[WoodMan]

Is cmhargrove the "new bengals fan"?

[Paladin]

Gold should be a S. I would prefer a larger, more aggressive W - like DJ - and play Webster at Mike. Cargile would be a better chioice for Sam, I think.


But what do I know?

[BigBad]

Man I havnt seen the orange and blue faithful so negative in a while. NICE!

[broncosteven]

Just a thought...

The offense looked like it could be really good when we get everyone back into playing shape. Javon needs a little stick 'em, but he looks good getting open and after the catch. Marshall is looking like a bona fide #2, and I love the fact that he was laying downfield blocks for his team mates. Stokely still isn't full speed, but he can always find holes in zone coverage. Scheff and Graham still have a little work, but should get open because of the other guys drawing coverage. Hopefully, Henry will look more like SF than Dallas.


you forgot Brian Clark, If he makes playes when he gets his time on the field he may be our #3 guy by seasons end. He was blocking down field and made a good 3rd down catch late in the game. Stokley looks good but give Clark a couple of plays early in the year to see if he can do it when the heat is on in the kitchen.

[Crushaholic]

If we DO have to put up 35 points a game, we're going to be in trouble. The defense doesn't have to click right now. I still think we'll be OK...

[cmhargrove]

Is cmhargrove the "new bengals fan"?

I'll be the "new Bengals Fan" if you will be the "official thread misinterpreter"

zing...

[crazyhorse]

Just a thought...

The offense looked like it could be really good when we get everyone back into playing shape. Javon needs a little stick 'em, but he looks good getting open and after the catch. Marshall is looking like a bona fide #2, and I love the fact that he was laying downfield blocks for his team mates. Stokely still isn't full speed, but he can always find holes in zone coverage. Scheff and Graham still have a little work, but should get open because of the other guys drawing coverage. Hopefully, Henry will look more like SF than Dallas.

So, that brings up the question, are we going to have to put up 35 points to win each game? (At least for the first half of the season). It reminds me of the Bengals of the past few years, and the Colts of 5 years ago. And, is that a good or bad thing? I think it helped the development of Manning and Palmer and the defense was the "last link." In a way it happened with Elway. He had to carry the team for a while before it all came together.

So, what do you think, and is it all bad?

You have basically stated here that if the WR position, the TE position, and the RB position improve, you might be able to get enough points to make up for the defense.

The difference between the teams you outlined and the Denver Broncos is the Colts and Cinci have elite offenses. You do not.

What could you possibly be looking at when you compare the Broncos offense to the Colts offense?

Elways teams had some good defenses.

Take it from me, having even a great offense (like the recent past Chiefs offenses) wont offset a horrible defense.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

They haven't shown they're on the Bengals level yet, there is no comparison at this point.

[Atlas]

Offense wins games, defense wins championships. I think the offense may have a heavier load early in the season, but the defense will get it together. Everywhere Bates has been, the defense has been productive so why would this team be any different? Bates' system has worked with less talent but it will take time for the defense to get synchronized.

Tell that to the Colts.

The Patriots a strong Defensive team even know better. THat is why they went out and got all thoise WRS. If you want to get by the Colts you're going to have to outscore them.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

They haven't shown they're on the Bengals level yet, there is no comparison at this point.

Our defense also hasnt proved its as bad as everyone thinks it is. Calm the f down.

[broncosteven]

You have basically stated here that if the WR position, the TE position, and the RB position improve, you might be able to get enough points to make up for the defense.

The difference between the teams you outlined and the Denver Broncos is the Colts and Cinci have elite offenses. You do not.

What could you possibly be looking at when you compare the Broncos offense to the Colts offense?

Elways teams had some good defenses.

Take it from me, having even a great offense (like the recent past Chiefs offenses) wont offset a horrible defense.


Duh Bears had a great D and lost the SB to a Fair/avg Dolt D.

As long as the D can force a couple stops and or turnovers in big spots in games the O should get to point where it can score enough to win. Cutler needs to convert more 3rd downs for that to happen 1st.

At least now it appears we have a decent 3rd down back in Young who can inject speed into the ground game on key plays.

[400HZ]

Tell that to the Colts.

The Patriots a strong Defensive team even know better. THat is why they went out and got all thoise WRS. If you want to get by the Colts you're going to have to outscore them.

You just have to smack Payton around a little bit and get him off his game. That's why the Pats can't beat Indy anymore, they don't have any elite pass rushers.

[azbroncfan]

Offense wins games, defense wins championships. I think the offense may have a heavier load early in the season, but the defense will get it together. Everywhere Bates has been, the defense has been productive so why would this team be any different? Bates' system has worked with less talent but it will take time for the defense to get synchronized.

It takes balance to consistently win championships.

[cmhargrove]

You have basically stated here that if the WR position, the TE position, and the RB position improve, you might be able to get enough points to make up for the defense.

The difference between the teams you outlined and the Denver Broncos is the Colts and Cinci have elite offenses. You do not.

What could you possibly be looking at when you compare the Broncos offense to the Colts offense?

Elways teams had some good defenses.

Take it from me, having even a great offense (like the recent past Chiefs offenses) wont offset a horrible defense.

First, I believe the offense has improved, the truth of that should be played out in a couple weeks.

The main point was that Indy and Cincy were situations where very talented QB's were forced to become winners early in their careers. Manning and Palmer are still a league above Cutler, no doubt. However, their situations also mandated that they help "carry the team." That pressure makes some QB's and breaks others. I think it could help make Cutler into a much better QB, time will tell. I'm not saying that Cutler is equal to Palmer or Manning now, but he could very well be on the same track they were after 5 games...

When comparing the Colts offense to the Broncos, I believe I clearly stated that we might have to put up 35 points a game to win. What did I not spell out? I didn't say Cutler was Manning, or Javon is Marvin. The Manning Colts (until a couple years ago) had to win off high scores, that is the comparison.

The Elway comparison is a little different. It is true they had some good defenses, but John had to carry the offense. However, it creates the same crucible in which the "great ones" are formed.

I don't know if Cutler will be that guy, but there is no doubt that the pressure will be squarely on his shoulders to do so. I think it will make him better (until the defense comes along).

[TDmvp]

i live in Cincinnati .... and no we "the Broncos" are not the new Bengals .... next question ....

[JCMElway]

Just a thought...

The offense looked like it could be really good when we get everyone back into playing shape. Javon needs a little stick 'em, but he looks good getting open and after the catch. Marshall is looking like a bona fide #2, and I love the fact that he was laying downfield blocks for his team mates. Stokely still isn't full speed, but he can always find holes in zone coverage. Scheff and Graham still have a little work, but should get open because of the other guys drawing coverage. Hopefully, Henry will look more like SF than Dallas.

So, that brings up the question, are we going to have to put up 35 points to win each game? (At least for the first half of the season). It reminds me of the Bengals of the past few years, and the Colts of 5 years ago. And, is that a good or bad thing? I think it helped the development of Manning and Palmer and the defense was the "last link." In a way it happened with Elway. He had to carry the team for a while before it all came together.

So, what do you think, and is it all bad?

We can't be the Bengals. We haven't had enough players get arrested.

[cmhargrove]

i live in Cincinnati .... and no we "the Broncos" are not the new Bengals .... next question ....

So you don't think our offense will have to score at least 4-5 TD's to overcome a defense that will (initially) give up lots of yards? That's the question. It's not the team name, or the team character - it's whether or not our offense will have to put up lots of points to keep us in the game. It also begs the next question - are we going to be an offense capable of generating those big offensive numbers?

Do people even read the threads, or just the titles?

[TDmvp]

So you don't think our offense will have to score at least 4-5 TD's to overcome a defense that will (initially) give up lots of yards? That's the question. It's not the team name, or the team character - it's whether or not our offense will have to put up lots of points to keep us in the game. It also begs the next question - are we going to be an offense capable of generating those big offensive numbers?

Do people even read the threads, or just the titles?

dude the bengals D is really really bad ... you wont hear people talking about maybe best dbs in league about cincinnati ... the bengals have 0 LBs ... i cant even name 1 and i live here ... and they spend 80% of their cap on 3 guys on O... i wanst going by character or name .... i was talking talent .... and once again ... no we are not the bengals ... next question ...

[cmhargrove]

dude the bengals D is really really bad ... you wont hear people talking about maybe best dbs in league about cincinnati ... the bengals have 0 LBs ... i cant even name 1 and i live here ... and they spend 80% of their cap on 3 guys on O... i wanst going by character or name .... i was talking talent .... and once again ... no we are not the bengals ... next question ...

I believe the defense will pull it together, but as of right now, we don't look as good as 2006.

In 2006 The Broncos were 8th in scoring D (19.1 points per game), 12th against the rush (113.3 per game), and 20th against the pass (225.8 per game).
In 2006 the Bengals were 17th in scoring (20.7 points per game), 15th against the rush (116.4 per game), but 32nd against the pass (257.8 per game).

If you consider a small slide in performance, like 1.6 points per game, 3.1 yards rushing per game, and 32 passing yards (mainly in the middle against our LB's), then the comparison doesn't look hard to fathom. Then, our offense would have to be really clicking to get us to the playoffs.

As I said, I think things will get better. But, I believe there is some current merit to the proposition. BTW - I said that it might be a good thing for the long term development of Cutler, I am not ragging the team. However, I believe that the D will take some time, they won't just "turn on the light" in Buffalo. We are bound to let a lot of yards and points go by while our guys learn the new system.

[Watchthemiddle]

We aren't the "new" anyone. Our starting offense has scored a whoping 23 points in 6 quarters of play this preseason.

Remember last year when the defense started to crumble and it was ALL the offenses fault for not staying on the field and producing? Same could be said so far in this preseason. ( don't get me wrong, our Defense isn't keeping anyone off the field either )

With the exception of the first drive against the 49ers, and the two minute drive against the Browns, our offense hasn't done squat.

It all starts with the Qb ( who is still fumbling snaps) and goes from there.

I am like many who can't wait to have everyone healthy out there because I think that will make a HUGE difference.

As for the defense, I honestly feel it all just boils down to the MLB. In my opinion, Webster would make a better MLB and move Williams back outside.

[Popps]

Are We The New Bengals?


To call us the new Bengals implies a dominant offense. Anyone seen one of those, yet? I'd agree that we have a better chance to finish top 10 in O than in D. But, it's sort of an insult to the Bengals at this point to compare us to them.

[crazyhorse]

We aren't the "new" anyone. Our starting offense has scored a whoping 23 points in 6 quarters of play this preseason.


Another telling statistic would be that the Denver defense took all 6 of those quarters to force a punt.

[Atlas]

When I first saw the tread I figured a Bronco got arrested.

[Hogan11]

I friggin' hate the Bengals......a pox on them all.

[Vegas_Bronco]

I have tickets to the MNF game Bengals host the Ravens and I have no clue, no clue who to vote for ------ the hate runs equally deep. Is it wrong of me to consider the Bengals the lesser of the two evils, I mean really is there a standard rule of thumb for selecting the better of two thugs?

[Hogan11]

I have tickets to the MNF game Bengals host the Ravens and I have no clue, no clue who to vote for ------ the hate runs equally deep. Is it wrong of me to consider the Bengals the lesser of the two evils, I mean really is there a standard rule of thumb for selecting the better of two thugs?

I went to a game in Buffalo once years ago as a "neutral observer" but the home fans changed that stance for me in a hurry and I haven't been back since.

[SoCalBronco]

Are you going to the season opener, Hogan?

[Hogan11]

Are you going to the season opener, Hogan?

No. It could be the AFC Championship and I wouldn't care...I'm never setting foot inside the Ralph ever again.

I'm going to the Denver home opener though against the Raiders and will be in Houston for the Thursday night game in December.

Are you making any games this year? How come we never saw you in Diego the past couple of years?

[Sassy]

How come we never saw you in Diego the past couple of years?

Yeah that! ???

[Hogan11]

How come we never saw you in Diego the past couple of years?

Yeah that! ???

Notice the crickets chirping Ha!

[SoCalBronco]

The last (and only) SD game I went too was in 2003. I have had numerous problems getting to the SD game since then. I probably won't be able to go this year either as it is on Christmas Eve. Well...I'll try anyway, even though it is doubtful.

[Vegas_Bronco]

I went to a game in Buffalo once years ago as a "neutral observer" but the home fans changed that stance for me in a hurry and I haven't been back since.

Well since you brought it up you can't leave us hanging (STORY TIME - what happened to you at Ralph). I have tix to the opener in Buffalo as my brother and I are homers for the Bills (he) and Broncos (me). Then we are going over to the Cardinals vs Reds series in Cincy and decided last minute to grab tix to the Bungles vs Ratbirds. Should be a great trip :~ohyah!: but I've heard dreadful stuff about ole' Ralph Wilson.

[Hogan11]

The last (and only) SD game I went too was in 2003. I have had numerous problems getting to the SD game since then. I probably won't be able to go this year either as it is on Christmas Eve. Well...I'll try anyway, even though it is doubtful.

Xmas Eve tooks us out of the mix this year....but we'll most likely be returning next season as long as the NFL doesn't schedule the game on/near a holiday like Xmas or Thanksgiving weekend.

[ak1971]

'snow' takes all the 'real' players out of attending home openers

[Rock Chalk]

I friggin' hate the Bengals......a pox on them all.

You have everything that doesnt fit into your small narrow view of the world Hogan.

[Hogan11]

You have everything that doesnt fit into your small narrow view of the world Hogan.

Well....somebody has to.

[Rock Chalk]

Well....somebody has to.

Out of curiosity I checked out the Pietasters.

Worst.Music.Ever.

[Hogan11]

Out of curiosity I checked out the Pietasters.

Worst.Music.Ever.

I never expected the likes of you to dig that...talk about a narrow view of the world. ::)

[Rock Chalk]

I never expected the likes of you to dig that...talk about a narrow view of the world. ::)

My tastes in music are extremely varied and I like a lot of things but that was utter crap all around.

Besides, Im just ****ing with you because I know how defensive you get about your crappy taste in music ;D

[Ugly Duck]

Are We The New Bengals?

Yes.

[Hogan11]

My tastes in music are extremely varied and I like a lot of things but that was utter crap all around.

Besides, Im just ****ing with you because I know how defensive you get about your crappy taste in music ;D

I know.

For the record though, you've stated several times over the years that you didn't care for ska or soul music, so as far as the music ever getting a fair shake or far with you...well, I knew better.

[bcbronc]

So you don't think our offense will have to score at least 4-5 TD's to overcome a defense that will (initially) give up lots of yards? That's the question. It's not the team name, or the team character - it's whether or not our offense will have to put up lots of points to keep us in the game. It also begs the next question - are we going to be an offense capable of generating those big offensive numbers?


I think you have it all backwards: our offense will have to make up for our defense by controlling the ball, not putting up lots of points. we will win with 7 minute drives, not quick-strike touchdowns.

one major difference between our current d and that of the bengals and indy is the talent we have in the secondary. our biggest weakness looks like it will be stopping power running attacks (wrong division for that to be a major weakness on defense, imo). why challenge champ and bly when you can run it up the gut for 6 a carry. I expect to see a lot of rushing yards each way, but don't think we'll see many scores get into the high 20's.

that's not to say there won't be a game or two that Cutler has to sling us back into the game. of course he will, it's the nfl. but I expect shanny to stick with the run a little longer than usual when we get behind, and I think we win games by controlling the ball and keeping our defense off the field. that's what this team is built for offensively, and that's been shanny's mindset since day one. don't see him changing that up just because we are a little sketchy at the linebacker position.