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dragondawg
08-27-2007, 03:25 AM
Bernie Kosar, the inspirational Cleveland quarterback turned broadcaster, found the early Broncos preseason games confusing.

Why, he wondered before Saturday night's exhibition, would a team with two shut-down cornerbacks give so little help to its front seven both rushing the passer and playing the run?

This is the essential question assistant head coach Jim Bates' new defensive scheme has raised through a preseason in which it has looked demonstrably inferior to its predecessor. Although it was better against the run Saturday night, it was better against a Cleveland first-team offense that hadn't scored a preseason touchdown until its first drive in Denver.

And if you listen closely, some Broncos veterans are beginning to ask the same question.

Many of them seem to hope the answer is the one Kosar settled on - that the Broncos are simply being vanilla in the preseason and will break out more personnel-appropriate game plans once the games begin to count.

But Bates has also made clear that he believes a defense should be able to play its basic set most of the time, meaning seven, not eight, men in the box. It's hard to tell if the Broncos' difficulties to date are because of the scheme or the personnel, much of which has changed from last season.

Perhaps it's just a matter of time. That's the case Bates and coach Mike Shanahan make: A new system and new personnel need some time to take.

Nevertheless, I ran Kosar's question by safety John Lynch, who is the logical man to add to the box, having made a career of it.

"I think what I'd say to that is it's preseason," Lynch said. "We aren't showing our whole hand. (Saturday night) we showed a little more, but still, the package isn't in there.

"Jim's trying to pound the philosophy that you can win with just fundamentals in this scheme. It hasn't been that successful yet, but I think we saw some growth (Saturday) and we've got to build on it. We've got a lot of work to do in these next two weeks."

I mentioned that he had rotated up near the line of scrimmage late in the Cleveland signal count a couple of times Saturday.

"A little more," he said. "I hadn't at all in the first games. We'll see where that goes. I know (Bates) hasn't done that a whole lot where's he's been."

That's because Bates believes his defense can be effective out of its basic set.

"How long do you try to prove that, do you suppose?" I asked Lynch.

He laughed. "I don't know," he said. "I'm waiting."

Of course, whether the Broncos actually have two shut-down corners who can be left on islands while the safeties help elsewhere remains to be seen. The Browns threw at Champ Bailey on the first play of Saturday's game - an 11-yard completion to Joe Jurevicius - and went after Dré Bly pretty much exclusively after that, with considerable success.

"A big part of our defense is communication, and guys being on the same page, and I'm not going to say it's going to be difficult, but when you've got new guys coming into your system, and a (new) coordinator, it's going to take time," Bly said afterward.

"It's what preseason's all about, is trying to iron out all the wrinkles and try to get everything rolling so we won't have any mistakes for the season. That's what we're doing now. I think we improved compared to the first couple of weeks in trying to get off the field. That's the goal for us."

This is the party line. Don't jump to conclusions. Any time you put in a new defense, there's bound to be an adjustment period.

Any time you switch two linebackers from their traditional spots, there's bound to be an adjustment period. Any time you overhaul your defensive line, as the Broncos seem to every year, there's bound to be an adjustment period.

All true. And if the Broncos come out and lay the hammer to Buffalo in the opener 13 days from now, the preseason will be forgotten faster than the Charlie Frye era in Cleveland. But the adjustment period is rapidly coming to an end.

"We're still struggling," Lynch said. "We're still just dropping people in coverage. People are running free and stuff. We've talked about there's got to be an urgency to clean that up.

"Yeah, we're in a new system, but this is the system we're going with. It's got to come. We're essentially two weeks away from opening day and we've got to go. I still have high hopes. I still think we're going to be a very good defense. But we haven't shown it as of yet."

That's the Broncos' primary problem as they look ahead to the regular season. If they haven't solved it in two weeks, they may have to look at their new scheme and new personnel and figure out if they are a fit.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_83_5683143,00.html

Bronco LB 59
08-27-2007, 03:36 AM
My best friend is a Dolphin fan. He has always been a Bates fan. I keep telling him a good number of Broncos fans are wondering who the **** this four eyes is, he keeps telling me everything is going to be okay.

NASurfer
08-27-2007, 04:47 AM
We shall see if Bates can field an improved defense. Still a 4-3, but with a radical change in philosophy... it might take more then just 1 offseason to get this unit off the ground. I think we have some major holes personnel wise.

It should be better then the "very movable object" it has been this preseason though....

Broncos4Life
08-27-2007, 07:33 PM
I'm not worried at all. I'll start worrying if we blow the Buffahoe game.

Kaylore
08-27-2007, 07:36 PM
I saw lots of different formations in looks in camp than what they are running and they do mix it up more than advertised here. It was generally a base defense look, but this idea that Bates only does one thing the whole game is being overstated.

Que
08-27-2007, 08:59 PM
Anyone else watch the replay on the NFL network? They had the Cleveland announcers (with Kosar doing color) on for the second half. The guy was slurring his words and just sounded hammered. It wasn't what he was saying (that was lucid enough) it was just how he was saying it. Has this whole Harry Caray delivery thing going. Anyone know what's up with that?

theAPAOps5
08-27-2007, 10:29 PM
Go Crrazy Everybody, Go Crrrrazy. Cubs Whin, Cubs Whine!

BroncoBuff
08-28-2007, 12:44 AM
Kosar really surprised me as a color commentator ... he was brutally honest. A bit strange sometimes, but brutally honest.

Vegas_Bronco
08-28-2007, 01:02 AM
Dallas just beat the sh** right out of us after playing paddie cake for a week and Cleveland did nothing special. I agree, OUR DEFENSE DOESN"T LOOK GOOD: we do have WR's running around free in the secondary; Our linebackers are under the lens- are they a bunch of mis-tackling mangina's in our backfield or the best to respond in the NFL. Vets are starting to wonder about this system and getting frustrated (see Lynch vs. Cleveland). Our young Dline is undisciplined and inexperienced. It all sounds like preseason. The only place we have to go from here is UP!!! This defense might not be as special as last years but it will produce some big plays and a lot of turnovers. What we saw at the beginning of last year was something special and to hold these guys to that standard is becoming a tall order.

Personally, I want it to get better defensively but not as much as I want our offense to come around and totally dominate the game so the defense doesn't have to win it for us - I'm SSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tired of that kind of football in Denver - placing it upon the defense to win or hold for victory. It is the most unpleasant sense of victory ever and I hate it! Who cares if it takes our defense 6 weeks to get it together if our offense is scoring 35-38 a game! Do your job Shanny and Bates will do his.