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dragondawg
08-26-2007, 09:41 PM
By ASSOCIATED PRESS

DENVER -- As John Lynch says, these preseason games don't count but they do matter.

And the Denver Broncos' defense is still very much a work in progress with the opener at Buffalo just two weeks away.

The Broncos shored up some things in their 17-16 loss to Cleveland on Saturday night. But the first stringers allowed the Browns to score twice and complete 5-of-10 third downs -- and it would have been six if not for an errant call on Brady Quinn's 29-yard toss to Joe Jurevicius in the end zone that was ruled incomplete.

The Broncos (1-2) have been slow to adapt to new boss Jim Bates' system and they sorely miss the leadership and play of middle linebacker Al Wilson, their captain and leading tackler last year whose neck injury and high salary led to his release in the offseason.

D.J. Williams is trying to replace him but all three of Denver's preseason opponents have exploited his inexperience and completed big plays over a wide-open middle.

The line has been in constant flux with rookies Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder and Marcus Thomas experiencing growing pains and real-life aches, and it's possible all four starters will be new from a year ago.

Denver's strong secondary had been the lone bright spot, but new cornerback Dre' Bly was burned by the Browns repeatedly. Their first touchdown was set up when Charlie Frye completed a 24-yard pass to Braylon Edwards over Bly's shoulder down the left sideline.

Coach Mike Shanahan blamed the defensive doldrums on a mixture of new personnel and a new scheme. The Broncos are +150 on sportsbook.com to win the AFC West.

"I think it's a little bit of both. Anytime you talk about a unit, you've got to have 11 guys going the same direction, and one guy a little bit off can make you look pretty average awful quickly," Shanahan said. "So we've got a couple of weeks to straighten out those things. Hopefully, we can get there."

Some of the defenders were wondering aloud after the game whether they'd be playing more than planned in the final exhibition Thursday night against Arizona. Traditionally, that last preseason game is only for backups trying to make the roster.

The Broncos' starters, however, have allowed six touchdowns and three field goals in 15 possessions this preseason.

Bly said nobody should be surprised that the defenders don't have everything down yet, however.

"When you've got new guys coming into this system and a new coordinator, it's going to take time," Bly said. "And that's what the preseason is all about, trying to iron out all the wrinkles and get everything rolling. I think if we just keep making progress every week we'll be fine."

The Browns converted 5-of-8 third downs before halftime with Frye and Derek Anderson combining to complete 12-of-15 passes for 142 yards.

"When they're converting like that, it's tough. We got them in some situations where we wanted them: third-and-8, third-and-7, but you've got to be able to get off the field," Lynch said. "There's still some adjusting to the scheme where we're just letting people run free. We've got to clean that up."

The problem with Denver's defense in its first two games was stopping the run. This time, it was the pass.

"We've got to put the whole picture together," Lynch said. "This scheme's been proven to work and we've just got to execute it right."

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Bigdawg26
08-26-2007, 10:12 PM
I think Tim Crowder, Jarvis Moss, and Marcus Thomas have been playing good in the preseason. And I think DJ Williams has been playing better and better as the preseason has gone on. I think the articule is a little to harsh on the defense.

CBF1
08-26-2007, 10:23 PM
We needed an artical posted to tell us this?

Odysseus
08-26-2007, 11:03 PM
Thanks for the article.

telluride
08-26-2007, 11:28 PM
Also, I'm getting tired of this "we cut Al because of his salary." He's gone because his neck is shot. The Broncos knew that.

theAPAOps5
08-26-2007, 11:46 PM
Also, I'm getting tired of this "we cut Al because of his salary." He's gone because his neck is shot. The Broncos knew that.

Agree, we cut him because his neck was shot therefor his salary hit was not worth it. Healthy neck = worthy salary.

Kaylore
08-26-2007, 11:52 PM
I think Tim Crowder, Jarvis Moss, and Marcus Thomas have been playing good in the preseason. And I think DJ Williams has been playing better and better as the preseason has gone on. I think the articule is a little to harsh on the defense.

Yeah I agree. I actually think DJ settled down and started to "get it" as the game rolled on. Ian made the right reads but can't tackle and that isn't going to change until he's replaced. Crowder coming back with Moss will really help things out.

Broncosfreak_56
08-27-2007, 12:01 AM
DJ definately had his best game against the Browns. He led us in tackles, at least.

SoCalBronco
08-27-2007, 12:09 AM
I was definitely happy to see him (DJ) make significant progress. I am glad to see his hard work is starting to pay off, he just needs to keep it up, just keep up the effort and results will follow. Good. There are still things he needs to clean up, but he is getting there, just keep working hard like you are so far, DJ. They won't do this, but I would like him to play the whole game next week, so as to help increase his familiarity and comfortability, but he looks like he is rapidly becoming comfortable anyway. I just wish he could get some reps next week even though the starters are not supposed to play. Same for Marshall and Scheffler, get them some more game reps.

I wish Crowder didnt get hurt, he might have been set back a little, he'll be back next week though. If he didnt get dinged, he might have won a starter's job by now. Maybe he will still win it. He is definitely responsible vs. the run, which we need in our DEs. He might not have the job right now, but I suspect he'll get it soon.

theAPAOps5
08-27-2007, 12:22 AM
ian made me bang my fist a few times last night. DJ did get better but still has a bit to go.

I don't know about Crowder now that he has missed some time. Doom still surprised me with his bull rush last night. He had a few that caught the T of guard as he was suspecting a speed rush as usual. Might have just been the Browns OLine though.

serious hops
08-27-2007, 12:58 AM
ian made me bang my fist a few times last night. DJ did get better but still has a bit to go.

I don't know about Crowder now that he has missed some time. Doom still surprised me with his bull rush last night. He had a few that caught the T of guard as he was suspecting a speed rush as usual. Might have just been the Browns OLine though.

I loved seeing him walk Mr. #3 overall pick back to the quarterback.


:strong:

Raider Bill
08-27-2007, 08:17 AM
When you've got new guys coming into this system and a new coordinator, it's going to take time,"

I hope it takes about 12 more weeks.

Raiders Rock
08-27-2007, 08:21 AM
I hope it takes about 12 more weeks.

It may not be the system, it may be the players

Odysseus
08-27-2007, 08:49 AM
I hope it takes about 12 more weeks.

All you are going to hear is CLICK CLICK BOOOM!

Raider Bill
08-27-2007, 11:32 AM
All you are going to hear is CLICK CLICK BOOOM!


When they implode?Ha!

Odysseus
08-27-2007, 01:06 PM
When they implode?Ha!

There is nothing funnier than a man dressed up for Halloween sitting in on a NFL seat that he paid money for shaking his head wondering what happpened....again!

I think the Broncos are going to run hot and cold all year but like you give them some time. They'll jump start this puppy.

Punisher
08-27-2007, 01:07 PM
they'll get hes defense down pack around week 3

Raider Bill
08-27-2007, 01:34 PM
Cool! We play the donkeys week 2!

Houshyamama
08-27-2007, 01:49 PM
Cool! We play the donkeys week 2!

Only a Raider fan would enjoy losing.

AgentOrange
08-27-2007, 01:54 PM
Cool! We play the donkeys week 2!

That's just what this D needs the Raiders O for some confidence boosting. A couple of Culpepper fumble recovers and Moss will think he's the next Julius Peppers.

Raider Bill
08-27-2007, 02:05 PM
The level of donkey bravado is amusing considering how they've looked.

serious hops
08-27-2007, 02:10 PM
The level of donkey bravado is amusing considering how they've looked.

I'd respond that the Faders are just amusing, period, but they've gone beyond that now to sad and pathetic.

Raider Bill
08-27-2007, 02:16 PM
We'll see in a couple of weeks.

John Lynch is going to get gassed making all those tackles DJ missed

broncosteven
08-27-2007, 02:30 PM
Yeah I agree. I actually think DJ settled down and started to "get it" as the game rolled on. Ian made the right reads but can't tackle and that isn't going to change until he's replaced. Crowder coming back with Moss will really help things out.

I thought that DJ looked more comfortable and was getting to where he needs to be. I wish he would not get stuck in picks or traffic though, that should come in time. Dline did better against the run. I hope Moss, crowder and Elvis can make a difference as the season progresses.

Odysseus
08-28-2007, 04:09 AM
I'm glad we are playing the Raiders week 2 as well. If your team can't beat a brand new QB and brand new defense and a special teams that is a leaky as a rusty bucket it's going to be a long and ugly season for Raider Bill.

Step up to microphone. Give me something good for my Signature line. The Raiders are going to do what week two? Hello?

Raider Bill
08-28-2007, 08:34 AM
Already in cover your ass mode?

Odysseus
08-28-2007, 08:49 AM
Already in cover your ass mode?

Dayum Bill.

That is funny. :rofl: