Travis Henry reportedly fathered nine children in four states

[dragondawg]

Broncos player ordered to pay child support in Georgia
Travis Henry reportedly fathered nine children in four states

By TY TAGAMI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Travis Henry just got tackled by a $3,000-a-month child support judgment.

Sure, the Denver Broncos running back has a $25 million contract and a base monthly salary approaching $50,000, but that kind of bill can still crimp your style when you're accustomed to expensive cars and fancy jewelry — and lots of other child support payments. Henry, 28, has fathered nine children by nine women in at least four Southern states and has been ordered by various judges to provide child support for seven of them, according to court records involving one child living in DeKalb County.

DeKalb Superior Court Judge Clarence Seeliger this week ordered Henry to provide $3,000 a month for the Lithonia boy he fathered out of wedlock three years ago with Jameshia Beacham, now 29.

Henry isn't the most thrifty guy, according to court records, so the judge wants to ensure payment by establishing an unusual $250,000 trust that Henry must fund by next spring.

Seeliger wrote that the football player displayed "bad judgment in his spending habits," dropping $100,000 for a car and $146,000 for jewelry. Meanwhile, Henry fell behind on support payments for his child with Beacham that were mandated by a previous order. Threatened with jail, he borrowed $9,800 from his former team, the Tennessee Titans, to pay the bill, according to court records.

The trust ensures Beacham will get timely payment if the pro player falls behind on his installments again. Yet the trust could be a sticking point for Henry, who could appeal.

His lawyer, Shiel Edlin, said that to his knowledge the trust would be without precedent in Georgia. A quarter-million dollars is a lot of money, even for Henry, Edlin said. "He has some concerns and he's weighing his options."

Beacham could not be reached for comment. Her lawyer, Robert Wellon, said he asked that the trust be set up because Henry rarely made the payments mandated by an earlier order, though they were $800 less a month. Wellon said there was testimony establishing that Henry received a $1 million bonus earlier this year but quickly spent most of it, buying, among other things, a Mercedes and gold jewelry.

"My argument was, if he makes wise investments, other than in gold chains, then he should be able to make the payments," Wellon said.

Edlin, though, said Henry collected much less than $1 million after taxes, and he said much of it went to debts. "He doesn't have any money," Edlin said. "The guy has significant financial issues."

Records show that Henry's children are scattered across both the American and National Football Conferences — including Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee and Georgia. Wellon said Henry talked about gathering them together to watch him at training camp. Indeed, part of the custody arrangement Henry reached with Beacham requires two weekend visits when he is playing pro ball.

Edlin said Henry wants to be a good parent. "I know these are a lot of kids, and there might be some questions about it," he said, "but he's a really committed father."

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2007/08/24/childpay_0825.html

[SoCalBronco]

Not good.

[smalltowngrll]

Wouldn't it have been a lot cheaper for him to get a little snippety snip done first? Sheesh :nono:

[ZONA]

One word..............CONDOM.

Well, at least we know he has the motivation to play great and try and keep that contact. :strong:

[Atlas]

what a ****ing loser.

GO MIKE BELL

[Kaylore]

One word..............CONDOM.

How about brains and responsibility? What is it with Buffalo running backs that makes them feel they need to use their penises like a dip stick? Nice man whoring, Henry. :oyvey:

[Atwater His Ass]

this is dissapointing.

[spdirty]

Oh. Well can he score touchdowns and get those tough yards?

All I care about.

[footstepsfrom#27]

What's the over/under on this thread?

[OrangeShadow]

this is dissapointing to hear

[ZONA]

How about brains?

I threw that out the window when I read there were 9.

[DB-Freak]

What a tool if it's true.

[cutthemdown]

I could care less. You people are a bunch of sniveling little daisies.

[Hogan11]

Yawn

[RunSilentRunDeep]

He's on par with Shawn Kemp and Evander Holyfield, but he's no Bob Marley.

What a turd.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Ever heard of a condom? Jeeez.

[ro_50]

People in deep south that followed Travis Henry's career at UT knew about some of these exploits.

He should at least wrap it up.

[Victor]

I guess that he doesn't need to worry about those pesky commercial endorsements anymore. You think that he'd learn after five or six.

[Paladin]

*snip*

All it takes. 10 minutes.

*snip*

[Rohirrim]

Bach fathered 20 children.

His organ didn't have any stops.

(rimshot)

[Que]

Sorta puts TD's little Gold Club incident in perspective doesn't it?

[Victor]

I must admit that the "in four states" portion of the headline is a bit of a headscratcher. Is it illegal to fornicate over state lines? Does this make it a matter for the FBI?

[Arkie]

It'll likely be 11 kids in 5 states after a season in Denver.

[WABronco]

****kkkkk...

[Los Broncos]

Dam, i thought two hundred was a lot.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I love how the moral police is sounding off. Does anyone really care? Run the football.

[Victor]

I love how the moral police is sounding off. Does anyone really care? Run the football.

Oh...is this story inappropriate to comment on? I didn't get the memo. Sorry Son of.

You might consider that bad judgement off the field might find its way onto the field. Heard of Michael Vick out there in L.A.?

[Atlas]

I love how the moral police is sounding off. Does anyone really care? Run the football.


Morals is one thing but what he is doing is destructive. It's destructive to all the kids that he has fathered that he doesn't even care about. It's not so much about morals as it is about personal responsibility and his job and duty as a man and a father.

[Gcver2ver3]

What he's done is irresponsible.....

But I'm not concerned about his personal affairs....at all

I am ONLY interested in him running the football.....

His baby-momma-drama is none of my business.....

[Bronco LB 59]

It'll likely be 11 kids in 5 states after a season in Denver.

I am shocked that no women in the Empire State got knocked up from his tenure with Buffalo.

[Kaylore]

I love how the moral police is sounding off. Does anyone really care? Run the football.

His irresponsible behavior has put a lot of kids in tough situations. This isn't something that's good for anyone including him. Hopefully he changes his ways. I'll still root for him on the field, but off the field I'll root for him to make major life changes.

[TomServo]

I could care less. You people are a bunch of sniveling little daisies.

tell that to all those fatherless kids.
regardless, he is a bronco, nothing to be done about it now.
i didnt stop cheering the avs when they signed brian may either. i just say it sucks to have such an important part of the team turn out to be so scummy.

[Broncojef]

Hope he is as productive on the field as he is in the bedroom.

[Greybeard]

He's got issues.
So do I.
So do you (generically).

Play ball.

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[footstepsfrom#27]

Hope he is as productive on the field as he is in the bedroom.
He'll be fine...he knows how to find the hole. ;D

[Taco John]

Wow. That really makes him a hard guy to get excited about. Oh, well... I hope he does well on the field, though it looks like he's doing pretty miserable off of it.

[Mr Chatterboodamn]

playa

[Bob]

I could care less. You people are a bunch of sniveling little daisies.

You are an idiot. He can be a great ball player still sure, but as Broncos fans (not Raider fans) ya hope for some class. Dude, we are not talking about one or two children out of wedlock, crap ... nine kids? I just find it hard to understand why he didnt protect himself, or his pocket book.

[Bob]

He's got issues.
So do I.
So do you (generically).

Play ball.

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Yeah never judge ... You got nine kids from various strangers?

[theAPAOps5]

Jesus, if you aren't going to wrap it up or snip it off then pull out. Then maybe you would have kept it under 5 kids.

Shannon Sharpe supposedly has a few illegitimates out there as well. I know he has a few running around Savannah.

[smalltowngrll]

Morals is one thing but what he is doing is destructive. It's destructive to all the kids that he has fathered that he doesn't even care about. It's not so much about morals as it is about personal responsibility and his job and duty as a man and a father.

Of all the posts on this thread...this is the one that is pure truth! :notworthy

You have 9 kids out there being raised without a dad. So he pays his support!? That's nothing. Anyone can throw some money at a kid and call it good! You have 9 lives out there that are forever affected because he can't get a little snip here or there! It's called responsibility!

Yeah, I hope he does great on the field, but I've lost respect for him as a person.

[Atwater His Ass]

For all of you that say "I don't care just play ball!" you're freaking retarded. I grew up in a fatherless home and it is a tough situation to overcome and one in which the child has zero control over. You are missing the bigger picture here because of your love of a sport over actual people (the kids).

It never ceases to amaze me as to the level people in this country elevate professional sports over anything else.

[Atwater His Ass]

Of all the posts on this thread...this is the one that is pure truth! :notworthy

You have 9 kids out there being raised without a dad. So he pays his support!? That's nothing. Anyone can throw some money at a kid and call it good! You have 9 lives out there that are forever affected because he can't get a little snip here or there! It's called responsibility!

Yeah, I hope he does great on the field, but I've lost respect for him as a person.

In fairness, we don't know the situation all of those kids have. I would bet at least in some of the cases the mother has married or is with someone that will serve as a father. However, the child will still be left to grow up without knowing his "real" dad and that is tough no matter how you cut it.

[Atlas]

You have 9 kids out there being raised without a dad. So he pays his support!? That's nothing. Anyone can throw some money at a kid and call it good! You have 9 lives out there that are forever affected because he can't get a little snip here or there! It's called responsibility!

Yeah, I hope he does great on the field, but I've lost respect for him as a person.


That's another thing he isn't even paying his support. The courts are jumping in making him. He doesn't even have the decency to step up and be a man about it.

[Greybeard]

Yeah never judge ... You got nine kids from various strangers?
I don't approve of that lifestyle.

I'm sure I could find some things about you of which I don't approve.

There are things about me . . . too many . . . I don't approve of.


I look at Henry as a running back. Carry the ball.

Let God and the state take care of the rest . . .

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[Mr Chatterboodamn]

Running back doesn't want to wear knee brace
BY FRANK SCHWAB
THE GAZETTE

why would we expect him to protection in those instances?

[Taco John]

For all of you that say "I don't care just play ball!" you're freaking retarded. I grew up in a fatherless home and it is a tough situation to overcome and one in which the child has zero control over. You are missing the bigger picture here because of your love of a sport over actual people (the kids).

It never ceases to amaze me as to the level people in this country elevate professional sports over anything else.



How would you suggest people react?

[bfoflcommish]

He at least he can finally field a full baseball starting squad

[Paladin]

A lot of speculation and bleeding heart proclamations here.....

Momma has something to do with it, no?

I have lost some respct for him, yeah, but I am not gonna judge him, either. He and his social worker will need to come to an understanding.

Unless he knocks her up, too......

[smalltowngrll]

I don't approve of that lifestyle.

I'm sure I could find some things about you of which I don't approve.

There are things about me . . . too many . . . I don't approve of.


I look at Henry as a running back. Carry the ball.

Let God and the state take care of the rest . . .

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So I see you probably approve of the Vick situation as well. Why not? Where do you draw the line? Seriously, you have kids being affected here. KIDS!!! BABIES!! Yeah, people screw up, but, damn, man up and take care of your responsibilities!

[Atwater His Ass]

How would you suggest people react?

people are free to express their own opinions. i personally find it more than callous that the well being and emotional development of these children is being pushed aside in the name of football.

[No1BroncoFan]

Oh. Well can he score touchdowns and get those tough yards?

All I care about.
This is one of the biggest reasons we have so many thugs and miscreants in pro sports today.

What's that? He's a crack dealer? He's a double murderer? He's a dog fighter? Who cares as long as he can play, right?

I say cut him. We've got a system that can make Olandis Gary a 1,000 yd back so just cut him.

Ben

[smalltowngrll]

A lot of speculation and bleeding heart proclamations here.....

Momma has something to do with it, no?

I have lost some respct for him, yeah, but I am not gonna judge him, either. He and his social worker will need to come to an understanding.

Unless he knocks her up, too......

Yup, she did. And I bet she knows it. But, each one is the person taking responsibility for raising the child. Each of the women changed the diapers, was there to teach them how to walk, awake at night with the little ones, when the babies were sick, the mothers were there. It doesn't appear that he was. So, yeah, he'll gain my respect when he starts being a dad. There is always redemption.

[DenverBrit]

How does he find the time?

[Orange_Beard]

Well the Colorado Population is in for a "spurt"

[BroncoBuff]

Yawn
Yup ... there's a lotta pro athletes with multiple children from different mothers. A LOT of them. You only hear about them when the newspapers get wind of them being behind in child support.

[Greybeard]

So I see you probably approve of the Vick situation as well. Why not? Where do you draw the line? Seriously, you have kids being affected here. KIDS!!! BABIES!! Yeah, people screw up, but, damn, man up and take care of your responsibilities!
Take a look at my post. Did I not say I do not approve of it?

Surely it is a problem a serious one, and it ought to be addressed.

. . . but in a different venue, perhaps?

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[Atwater His Ass]

This is one of the biggest reasons we have so many thugs and miscreants in pro sports today.

What's that? He's a crack dealer? He's a double murderer? He's a dog fighter? Who cares as long as he can play, right?

I say cut him. We've got a system that can make Olandis Gary a 1,000 yd back so just cut him.

Ben

i wouldn't say cut him. i willing to allow that people make mistakes and infact we don't know all the details...maybe the mother said she was on birth control, etc you could speculate all day and get nowhere.

i believe the man has the right to make amends and he is in a position to do a lot for these children if he chooses to do so.

but you are correct in the fact that if you are strong, can jump high, run fast, etc., you will be cut a lot of breaks in this country.

[cutthemdown]

You are an idiot. He can be a great ball player still sure, but as Broncos fans (not Raider fans) ya hope for some class. Dude, we are not talking about one or two children out of wedlock, crap ... nine kids? I just find it hard to understand why he didnt protect himself, or his pocket book.

It's none of your business really. It's his personal life. I could care less I just want to watch football. I don't need these players to by my moral compass. Why would you even bother trying to understand someone other dudes sexual breeding habits? Seems to me like it's all getting worked out by courts anyways. I'll take a deadbeat that runs for 5 yrds a carry, over a nice good dad that runs for 3 any day of the week. I suggest if you don't like Henry you cheer for him to get injured.

[bfoflcommish]

How does he find the time?


some fight dogs, others make it rain in strip clubs....he chooses to make babies...fun off season if you ask me

[smalltowngrll]

Yup ... there's a lotta pro athletes with multiple children from different mothers. A LOT of them. You only hear about them when the newspapers get wind of them being behind in child support.

Yes, there are. But they weren't Denver Broncos. ;D

[Rock Chalk]

Ya know, it takes two to make babies. While Henry is far from free of irresponsibility, those women who ****ed him likely just to get something out of him are just as irresponsible and I dont see ANYONE jumping on the whores who didnt make Henry wear a condom or were irresponsible with their own protection.

Henry + the whores are all responsible for these children.

[Atwater His Ass]

Yup ... there's a lotta pro athletes with multiple children from different mothers. A LOT of them. You only hear about them when the newspapers get wind of them being behind in child support.

so does this make it right? just because you don't know about it? or are you saying it's cool for anyone to father multiple children and not take responsibility for it?

[Rock Chalk]

Yup, she did. And I bet she knows it. But, each one is the person taking responsibility for raising the child. Each of the women changed the diapers, was there to teach them how to walk, awake at night with the little ones, when the babies were sick, the mothers were there. It doesn't appear that he was. So, yeah, he'll gain my respect when he starts being a dad. There is always redemption.

You are making assumptions about these whores. They may be ****ty mothers. YOu dont know.

[Atwater His Ass]

Ya know, it takes two to make babies. While Henry is far from free of irresponsibility, those women who ****ed him likely just to get something out of him are just as irresponsible and I dont see ANYONE jumping on the whores who didnt make Henry wear a condom or were irresponsible with their own protection.

Henry + the whores are all responsible for these children.

why do you label the women whores automatically? why the double standard?

[DenverBrit]

Of all the moral issues to get bent out of shape about, a very wealthy man with 9 kids seems low on the totem pole.

[Los Broncos]

Ya know, it takes two to make babies. While Henry is far from free of irresponsibility, those women who ****ed him likely just to get something out of him are just as irresponsible and I dont see ANYONE jumping on the whores who didnt make Henry wear a condom or were irresponsible with their own protection.

Henry + the whores are all responsible for these children.

For sure, women have the right to choose who they have sex with.

[Rock Chalk]

why do you label the women whores automatically? why the double standard?

Well everyone is automatically calling Henry the bad guy, might as well make it nice and fair.

[Taco John]

people are free to express their own opinions. i personally find it more than callous that the well being and emotional development of these children is being pushed aside in the name of football.


Pushed aside? I guess I just don't understand. There's only so much people can do for these kids, and staying in a perpetual state of outrage isn't really helpful to them. I think it's crummy what he's done, but there's nothing I can do about it. I won't buy his jersey or anything, but that's not going to help his kids either.

So that's why I ask the question: How exactly *should* people react, so that they're not seen as just going on with their lives, and instead taking up for the children. I'd guess that you probably have more information on what can be done here, considering your harsh judgement of others on the matter.

[Paladin]

Well the Colorado Population is in for a "spurt"

Well, maybe a squirt or three.....

[Atwater His Ass]

Of all the moral issues to get bent out of shape about, a very wealthy man with 9 kids seems low on the totem pole.

depends on which end of that stick you're on i guess.

[Rock Chalk]

Besides, they may be whores. I mean, who ****s a guy without protection? A whore.

[Orange_Beard]

Shanny should tell this guy about anal sex.

[smalltowngrll]

You are making assumptions about these whores. They may be ****ty mothers. YOu dont know.

In all fairness, could be true. But, again, we don't know the circumstances with each of them. In all fairness, they might not have been whores looking for something from him. That would be just as stereotypical.

[Atwater His Ass]

Besides, they may be whores. I mean, who ****s a guy without protection? A whore.

actually most "whores" carry protection with them, since, you know, it's in their best interest to do so. but keep living in the 50s.

[Los Broncos]

In any case, you have to use your head.

Use something to protect yourself, theres eleven different types of birth control.

[Paladin]

How in the world do you "know" those ladies were whores? How can you make that statement? Did you personally know any of them? Did Henry tell you about them?

Not too smart to make a lot of assumptions here, you know?

[Orange_Beard]

I don't think I have ever heard of a 9 for 9 guy. Most times these guys have 2 or 3 by one woman, the a few extras on the side.

9 for 9 rep!

[Rock Chalk]

actually most "whores" carry protection with them, since, you know, it's in their best interest to do so. but keep living in the 50s.

Paid prostitutes is not what Im talking about here.

Im talking about skanky whores. Im not defending Travis Henry so keep on keeping on, all Im saying is it takes two to tango and those women are just as at fault for illegitimate children as Travis Henry is. More so because its the woman's choice to have sex. She has all the power. With all the power comes all the responsibility.

[DenverBrit]

depends on which end of that stick you're on i guess.

You're right, but how many here are on either end?
Henry has the means to take care of his children, hopefully he will.
Millions of children are not so lucky and are starving to death.

[Greybeard]

why do you label the women whores automatically? why the double standard?
Well, unless Henry raped them all, they spread their own legs, didn't they?

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[Rock Chalk]

How in the world do you "know" those ladies were whores? How can you make that statement? Did you personally know any of them? Did Henry tell you about them?

Not too smart to make a lot of assumptions here, you know?

Im not. Everyone here is jumping on Travis Henry as the main bad guy. So I just thought I would make it fair.

They may not be whores. They may be.

Im my opinion, any woman who ****s a NFL star without being in a serious relationship and doesnt insist on using protection is a whore.

[Los Broncos]

Nine is a lot, dam

[Rock Chalk]

Dont get me wrong her and certainly dont twist it. Travis needs to buck up and take responsibility for the children, but it certainly isnt ALL his fault.

[gunns]

I could care less. You people are a bunch of sniveling little daisies.

I could care less either, IF he's paying his child support. When he doesn't is when the rest of us become a part of his carelessness. Committed father? With that kind of irresponsibility?

[Los Broncos]

Im not. Everyone here is jumping on Travis Henry as the main bad guy. So I just thought I would make it fair.

They may not be whores. They may be.

Im my opinion, any woman who ****s a NFL star without being in a serious relationship and doesnt insist on using protection is a whore.

I agree with that

They see an NFL player and money signs

[Atwater His Ass]

Pushed aside? I guess I just don't understand. There's only so much people can do for these kids, and staying in a perpetual state of outrage isn't really helpful to them. I think it's crummy what he's done, but there's nothing I can do about it. I won't buy his jersey or anything, but that's not going to help his kids either.

So that's why I ask the question: How exactly *should* people react, so that they're not seen as just going on with their lives, and instead taking up for the children. I'd guess that you probably have more information on what can be done here, considering your harsh judgement of others on the matter.

i guess i don't understand either. i'm not outraged as i realize no one here is going to make a difference in any of these kids lives myself included. but as i stated before, i find it appalling that it's just brushed aside so easily by some as no big deal.

i have a feeling that if this the same story but about some regular joe, people would have different opinions about it and wouldn't push it aside so easily.

[Greybeard]

Nine is a lot, dam
Guess he just wants to lead a productive life . . . ;D

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[Bronco Billy]

At least he's capable of finding the hole and scoring! :strong: :brokehalo

[Los Broncos]

Guess he just wants to lead a productive life . . . ;D

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I have one, me and his mother are not together

I decided not to go around and any more with different chicks

[Atwater His Ass]

Im not. Everyone here is jumping on Travis Henry as the main bad guy. So I just thought I would make it fair.

They may not be whores. They may be.

Im my opinion, any woman who ****s a NFL star without being in a serious relationship and doesnt insist on using protection is a whore.

so what is your opinon of Henry then? he's just a dirty slut as the women right?

[gunns]

Im not. Everyone here is jumping on Travis Henry as the main bad guy. So I just thought I would make it fair.

They may not be whores. They may be.

Im my opinion, any woman who ****s a NFL star without being in a serious relationship and doesnt insist on using protection is a whore.

The whore thing is Alec shock value.

But he's right in Henry not being the only "bad guy". I sure hope to hell that Beachem is working also to support that child or she shouldn't be bitchin about Henry not doing it. I get so tired of whiny ass women crying because their baby's daddy isn't supporting the child. Kids got two parents. Are you doing your part?

[Atwater His Ass]

Well, unless Henry raped them all, they spread their own legs, didn't they?

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i ask you the same as alec. what is your opinon of henry then? do you high five him in the locker room for conquests cause he's a "real" man, or do you look at him with the same disdain you apparantly have for these women?

[Rock Chalk]

so what is your opinon of Henry then? he's just a dirty slut as the women right?

Yes.

Is that the answer you are looking for? I think he is a dumbass for not wrapping up himself considering his position but I dont think he is any more idiotic than those women he was ****ing.

You have to wonder, why didnt those women insist on protection unless they were looking to gain something?? Just saying.

[Elway777]

I really don't care as long as he preforms on my Fantasy football team.Henry has about 2 or 3 years left then we can send him to the street.

[Atwater His Ass]

You're right, but how many here are on either end?
Henry has the means to take care of his children, hopefully he will.
Millions of children are not so lucky and are starving to death.

paying his child support is good, i agree. henry being in a lucrative position to do so is also a good thing for the child. henry not being avaiable as a father to these children is a bad thing and one no amount of money can make up for. that is the point outside of the money issue. that is the part that is morally irrensible.

[Greybeard]

I have one, me and his mother are not together

I decided not to go around and any more with different chicks
I was only making a funny . . .

But that's great. Seriously. Personally, the type of birth control I approve of,
outside marriage, is abstinence. But that is for a discussion in another forum.

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[Rock Chalk]

paying his child support is good, i agree. henry being in a lucrative position to do so is also a good thing for the child. henry not being avaiable as a father to these children is a bad thing and one no amount of money can make up for. that is the point outside of the money issue. that is the part that is morally irrensible.

Again we come back to this being the fault of both Henry and the women who chose to have unprotected sex with a man they were not in a serious relationship with.

I dont see your moral outrage at the women, only directed at Travis Henry.

Both parties are at fault here.

[Los Broncos]

I was only making a funny . . .

But that's great. Seriously. Personally, the type of birth control I approve of,
outside marriage, is abstinence. But that is for a discussion in another forum.

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I know what you meant, i found it funny

I just didn't want more kids with many other women, therefore draining my pockets.

[Orange_Beard]

I was only making a funny . . .

But that's great. Seriously. Personally, the type of birth control I approve of,
outside marriage, is abstinence. But that is for a discussion in another forum.

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You should drop Travis a line and let him know that you don't approve of his choices. I am sure he will be saddened that he let you down.

[Atwater His Ass]

Yes.

Is that the answer you are looking for? I think he is a dumbass for not wrapping up himself considering his position but I dont think he is any more idiotic than those women he was ****ing.

You have to wonder, why didnt those women insist on protection unless they were looking to gain something?? Just saying.

i also believe that is a valid point, considering henry's profession.

i just don't believe in degrading a woman for the same behavior society will let a man get away with. i think you're just looking for some shock value in your posts.

[Greybeard]

i ask you the same as alec. what is your opinon of henry then? do you high five him in the locker room for conquests cause he's a "real" man, or do you look at him with the same disdain you apparantly have for these women?
Oh now, where do you read into any disdain I have for those women?

My take is that what Henry did was immoral and wrong. What those women did
was immoral and wrong. One bad result is a host of kids who now have to grow
up without the presence of their father, and both the man and the woman
involved are responsible for that.

But before I personally condemn either one, I clean up my own back yard . . .
which will take up the rest of my life. That means I don't have the time to
damn them for what they did.

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[Orange_Beard]

I know what you meant, i found it funny

I just didn't want more kids with many other women, therefore draining my pockets.

Looks like Travis makes about 50k a month. He can afford a few more.

[Rock Chalk]

i also believe that is a valid point, considering henry's profession.

i just don't believe in degrading a woman for the same behavior society will let a man get away with. i think you're just looking for some shock value in your posts.

No I was looking to turn the tables. Everyone immediately lambasted Henry, I just added that these women are most certainly not saints and IMO are whores. Every last one of them UNLESS one or more of them happened to be in a serious relationship with Henry at the time.

Gold digging bitch whores. Not shock value, thats just my opinion of them.

[Atwater His Ass]

Again we come back to this being the fault of both Henry and the women who chose to have unprotected sex with a man they were not in a serious relationship with.

I dont see your moral outrage at the women, only directed at Travis Henry.

Both parties are at fault here.

i already stated i agree with this earlier, but you missed it. but ill do it again. both parties are equally at fault.

[Los Broncos]

Looks like Travis makes about 50k a month. He can afford a few more.

So be it

I'm pretty happy with my payments

[Orange_Beard]

I am happy living with my wife and child.

Other people can do what they want.

[Greybeard]

You should drop Travis a line and let him know that you don't approve of his choices. I am sure he will be saddened that he let you down.
hmmm...

Did you read any of my other posts?

Try the one I wrote just before this one.

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[Los Broncos]

I am happy living with my wife and child.

Other people can do what they want.

Thats nice, good to see people can get marriage right.

[Atwater His Ass]

No I was looking to turn the tables. Everyone immediately lambasted Henry, I just added that these women are most certainly not saints and IMO are whores. Every last one of them UNLESS one or more of them happened to be in a serious relationship with Henry at the time.

Gold digging b**** whores. Not shock value, thats just my opinion of them.

but you don't know this about them. you're just making a generalization that may or may not be valid. but in your presentation of your opinion, you appear to degrade these women to a much lower level than your opinion of henry.

[Rock Chalk]

What would be really great is if Henry paid child support AND wsa there as a father for those children.

But let's be realistic, its not going to happen. Their only hope is that those women who made equally poor decisions dont make the same mistakes with the money they receive from Henry every month and the children suffer.

[Rock Chalk]

but you don't know this about them. you're just making a generalization that may or may not be valid. but in your presentation of your opinion, you appear to degrade these women to a much lower level than your opinion of henry.

Equality. Everyone else already degraded Henry pretty lowly. Why pile on even though I happen to think Henry is just as much a scumbag as the women are. The point was to spread the blame and since everyone had already decimated Henry's image without so much as one peep against the women, I had to you know, throw my two cents in on the women.

[Atwater His Ass]

What would be really great is if Henry paid child support AND wsa there as a father for those children.

But let's be realistic, its not going to happen. Their only hope is that those women who made equally poor decisions dont make the same mistakes with the money they receive from Henry every month and the children suffer.

indeed that is most likely the best case senario.

[No1BroncoFan]

Im not. Everyone here is jumping on Travis Henry as the main bad guy. So I just thought I would make it fair.

They may not be whores. They may be.

Im my opinion, any woman who ****s a NFL star without being in a serious relationship and doesnt insist on using protection is a whore.
Seems to me that Henry and not the mothers is the one dragging the teams reputation through the mud. After all, the women don't play for the Broncos, he does.

I find it odd that so many people here dogged and still do dog on Derick Thomas for fathering so many kids and not taking care of them (myself included) but because Henry plays for the Broncos he gets a pass.

Ben

[Atwater His Ass]

Seems to me that Henry and not the mothers is the one dragging the teams reputation through the mud. After all, the women don't play for the Broncos, he does.

I find it odd that so many people here dogged and still do dog on Derick Thomas for fathering so many kids and not taking care of them (myself included) but because Henry plays for the Broncos he gets a pass.

Ben

there are very few people giving henry a pass in this thread.

[Rock Chalk]

Seems to me that Henry and not the mothers is the one dragging the teams reputation through the mud. After all, the women don't play for the Broncos, he does.

I find it odd that so many people here dogged and still do dog on Derick Thomas for fathering so many kids and not taking care of them (myself included) but because Henry plays for the Broncos he gets a pass.

Ben

Who is giving Henry a pass? Because it aint me.

Read the rest of my posts in this thread and you will see.

[Greybeard]

Seems to me that Henry and not the mothers is the one dragging the teams reputation through the mud. After all, the women don't play for the Broncos, he does.

I find it odd that so many people here dogged and still do dog on Derick Thomas for fathering so many kids and not taking care of them (myself included) but because Henry plays for the Broncos he gets a pass.

Ben
I seriously doubt that Henry, who has not played one regular season game for
the Broncos, is hurting the team's reputation. I don't think anyone thinks any
less of the Lakers because of Wilt Chamberlain, of the Reds because of Pete
Rose, or of the Bills because of O.J. Simpson.

I just have a hard time grasping the concept of the private acts of an
individual player hurting a team's image. ???

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[Los Broncos]

I just want to see him run for yards and td's

[Atwater His Ass]

I seriously doubt that Henry, who has not played one regular season game for
the Broncos, is hurting the team's reputation. I don't think anyone thinks any
less of the Lakers because of Wilt Chamberlain, of the Reds because of Pete
Rose, or of the Bills because of O.J. Simpson.

I just have a hard time grasping the concept of the private acts of an
individual player hurting a team's image. ???

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really? you don't think the type of player that comes to an organization has an impact on how that organization is percieved? honestly? then where do we get off poking at the raiders for this stuff?

things that happen outside of the player's career generally don't, but things that happen while that person is a part of the organization and everyone knows about it will hurt them.

of course no one is going to look down on the bills becasue of what OJ did 20 years after he retired. but you think if a team signs, oh, say vick after his legal issues are resolved won't be criticized? c'mon.

now before you cry foul, ive stated earlier and ill do again now, that i dont' think denver should cut henry for this. but the actions henry takes to resolve these matters will reflect on denver.

[Orange_Beard]

I just want to see him run for yards and td's

Amen.

Did anyone think he came here with no baggage?

[Rock Chalk]

really? you don't think the type of player that comes to an organization has an impact on how that organization is percieved? honestly?

things that happen outside of the player's career generally don't, but things that happen while that person is a part of the organization and everyone knows about it will hurt them.

of course no one is going to look down on the bills becasue of what OJ did 20 years after he retired. but you think if a team signs, oh, say vick after his legal issues are resolved won't be criticized? c'mon.

You make a fair point, specifically about Vick. But situations like Vick's are very rare. Situations like Henry's are not so rare. Whether it is right or wrong socially or culturally, athletes are fathers of many a illegitimate child and it is largely overlooked. Morally unacceptable, it is not something that is going to lower Denver's image. The cut blocking and "dirty" tactics of our o-line has done more harm to the image of the Denver Bronco team than any player's off the field activities ever could.

[Atwater His Ass]

Amen.

Did anyone think he came here with no baggage?

and there are some in this country that think there is nothing wrong with what vick did. does that make it right?

[Atwater His Ass]

You make a fair point, specifically about Vick. But situations like Vick's are very rare. Situations like Henry's are not so rare. Whether it is right or wrong socially or culturally, athletes are fathers of many a illegitimate child and it is largely overlooked. Morally unacceptable, it is not something that is going to lower Denver's image. The cut blocking and "dirty" tactics of our o-line has done more harm to the image of the Denver Bronco team than any player's off the field activities ever could.

it is how society and all of us percieve these situations. most people will agree that the killing and tortue of animals will outweigh fathering children illegtimately. but in both cases it is fair to come to at least some judgement as to the character of the person.

i just think it is a sad state when it is acceptable to sweep it under the rug as no big deal when we are talking about 9 potentially fatherless kids here. i realize that's a bigger deal to me than others however.

[Bronco Billy]

Henry and the woman are both "guilty" of being stupid. The NFL has player workshops addressing woman who look to get "knocked up" so they'll be taken care of. I'm not saying that this was the women's intentions. Henry should be more careful, but that's his decision. I feel sorry for the kids and I'm glad the judge set up a fund ensuring the kids are taken care of.

[Greybeard]

really? you don't think the type of player that comes to an organization has an impact on how that organization is percieved? honestly?

things that happen outside of the player's career generally don't, but things that happen while that person is a part of the organization and everyone knows about it will hurt them.

of course no one is going to look down on the bills becasue of what OJ did 20 years after he retired. but you think if a team signs, oh, say vick after his legal issues are resolved won't be criticized? c'mon.
Ummm . . . can you see a difference between what Vick did and what Henry did?

I'm sure fans and trolls from other teams will have a good time with this, but
who gives a crap about them? This is football. Can the guy get 1,500 yards.
That is the issue here.

The other should be dealt with, yes. In the courts, in Social Services, in his
own private family, and perhaps in the church. And involving those women,
who willingly undressed for him, too.

Meanwhile, back on the field, the issue is, can he get me 1,500 yards.

IMHO.

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[Atwater His Ass]

Ummm . . . can you see a difference between what Vick did and what Henry did?

I'm sure fans and trolls from other teams will have a good time with this, but
who gives a crap about them? This is football. Can the guy get 1,500 yards.
That is the issue here.

The other should be dealt with, yes. In the courts, in Social Services, in his
own private family, and perhaps in the church. And involving those women,
who willingly undressed for him, too.

Meanwhile, back on the field, the issue is, can he get me 1,500 yards.

IMHO.

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i think that is a very sad outlook to have.

you still didn't answer my question to you before however. why must you continue to put down these women with your replys and little digs at them? it seems you have a very antiquated view of women.

[lazarus4444]

Hope he is as productive on the field as he is in the bedroom.

SO true. He is apparently VERY VERY productive and injury free in the bedroom. Didn't know the Broncos hired such a scum bag. Oh well, best quote of the day from Broncojef, lets hope he is as productive on the field as in bed. What an idiot TH is, sheesh!

[Greybeard]

i think that is a very sad outlook to have.

you still didn't answer my question to you before however. why must you continue to put down these women with your replys and little digs at them? it seems you have a very antiquated view of women.
How am I putting the women down? Just because I believe they ought to take
responsibility for their own actions? Yes, well I guess that is old school . . . take
responsibilty for your own actions.

As I said before, if Henry didn't rape those women, then the logical conclusion is
they lay down for him. Now, if they did that, then saying so is merely stating a
fact, not disparaging them.

And they, as well has Henry, need to take responsibiltiy for their own actions.
That's old school. And that is right.



But if we want to get into the morals end of it, there is the War, Religion, and
Politics forum down below. This one is supposed to be about football issues.
I have a hard time connecting bedroom romps with touchdowns, unless we
are skewing the concept of turning tight ends into wide receivers.

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[No1BroncoFan]

Who is giving Henry a pass? Because it aint me.

Read the rest of my posts in this thread and you will see.

She has all the power. With all the power comes all the responsibility.
Sounds like a pass to me.

there are very few people giving henry a pass in this thread.
Just from the first couple of pages:
Oh. Well can he score touchdowns and get those tough yards?

All I care about.
I could care less. You people are a bunch of sniveling little daisies.
What he's done is irresponsible.....

But I'm not concerned about his personal affairs....at all

I am ONLY interested in him running the football.....

His baby-momma-drama is none of my business.....
Hope he is as productive on the field as he is in the bedroom.
playa

That's pro sports though. If Henry was a computer programmer making 100K/yr you wouldn't hear comments like "Who cares? He writes good code."

Ben

[Greybeard]

Sounds like a pass to me.


Just from the first couple of pages:






That's pro sports though. If Henry was a computer programmer making 100K/yr you wouldn't hear comments like "Who cares? He writes good code."

Ben
Bet you would, from the programmer's supervisors.

They wouldn't give a rat's behind what he does in his bedroom, provided he
writes good code.

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[Atwater His Ass]

How am I putting the women down? Just because I believe they ought to take
responsibility for their own actions? Yes, well I guess that is old school . . . take
responsibilty for your own actions.

As I said before, if Henry didn't rape those women, then the logical conclusion is
they lay down for him. Now, if they did that, then saying so is merely stating a
fact, not disparaging them.

And they, as well has Henry, need to take responsibiltiy for their own actions.
That's old school. And that is right.



But if we want to get into the morals end of it, there is the War, Religion, and
Politics forum down below. This one is supposed to be about football issues.
I have a hard time connecting bedroom romps with touchdowns, unless we
are skewing the concept of turning tight ends into wide receivers.

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Find where I said that both parties aren't responsible for their actions. You won't be able to do it, so get off your soapbox there.

When you continue to call these women "whores" and "spraeding their legs", "willingly undressed", "laid down", etc., it's easy to see through your opinion of women in general. Whatever the circumstances (which no one here knows), you should treat these women with the same respect as Henry. You don't do that and anyone can see it.

[No1BroncoFan]

Bet you would, from the programmer's supervisors.

They wouldn't give a rat's behind what he does in his bedroom, provided he
writes good code.

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Maybe, but how about the consumers of the products that code is in. Do you think they would be as forgiving as many football fan (hell, pro sports fan for that matter) is? That's what we are. The consumer of the product that is the NFL. We all b*tch about the ethics of major corporations but it so much easier to forgive the stars.

Ben

[Atwater His Ass]

Maybe, but how about the consumers of the products that code is in. Do you think they would be as forgiving as many football fan (hell, pro sports fan for that matter) is? That's what we are. The consumer of the product that is the NFL. We all b*tch about the ethics of major corporations but it so much easier to forgive the stars.

Ben

i brought this point up earlier and it was dismissed.

[BroncoInferno]

I couldn't care less. Henry's personal life is his own affair.

[Greybeard]

Find where I said that both parties aren't responsible for their actions. You won't be able to do it, so get off your soapbox there.

When you continue to call these women "whores" and "spraeding their legs", "willingly undressed", "laid down", etc., it's easy to see through your opinion of women in general. Whatever the circumstances (which no one here knows), you should treat these women with the same respect as Henry. You don't do that and anyone can see it.
Oh wow. You're making an argument where there is none. I didn't accuse you of
saying both parties aren't responsible for their actions.

And I didn't feel the need to get so descriptive of Henry's actions. Other posters
in this thread were doing just fine in that respect. Now, let me see if I can
make sense of this:

1. Henry willingly pulled down his pants and did the ladies.
2. The ladies willingly undressed and did Henry.
3. Their mutual, willing acts resulted in illegitimate children.
4. Both Henry and the ladies must take responsibilty for their actions and for the children.

Okay, now this is all I have tried to point out. Nothing else, other than to add
that I have my own problems and it isn't up to me to pass judgment on either
Henry or the ladies, as far as what I believe should be done about them or
what should happen to them. And I certainly did not intend to imply anything
about what you said or what you believe.

Now, I really, really do not understand what there is to argue about here,
what I might have said that was so out of the way.

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[BroncoInferno]

It's pathetic the people putting on their deputy badges to go after a guy for his private business. Get a goddamn life, losers.

[Greybeard]

Maybe, but how about the consumers of the products that code is in. Do you think they would be as forgiving as many football fan (hell, pro sports fan for that matter) is? That's what we are. The consumer of the product that is the NFL. We all b*tch about the ethics of major corporations but it so much easier to forgive the stars.

Ben
Nah. There was a time, but not these days.

Do you really think people care anymore what foibles other individuals have?

If so, how did some of our Presidential candidates become and remain Presidential candidates?

(Methinks this whole topic is threatening to hijack the whole forum here.)

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[Atwater His Ass]

It's pathetic the people putting on their deputy badges to go after a guy for his private business. Get a goddamn life, losers.


I couldn't care less. Henry's personal life is his own affair.

did you post in any of the vick threads?

[DenverBrit]

This thread has become way too judgmental.
Did it occur to anyone else that Henry might be a Catholic? :clown:

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[Rock Chalk]

Maybe, but how about the consumers of the products that code is in. Do you think they would be as forgiving as many football fan (hell, pro sports fan for that matter) is? That's what we are. The consumer of the product that is the NFL. We all b*tch about the ethics of major corporations but it so much easier to forgive the stars.

Ben

Yes, the consumer would and is forgiving.

They dont give a ****, as long as their product is fine. Indeed, it is seen in all manner of industries. People dont care about anything other than themselves.

Do I give a **** if Nike is running sweatshops in China? Nope. Thats probably more morally reprhensible than what Travis Henry did but we dont care. No one does. Why? Because we want good sneakers.

Your argument is invalid all around. The consumer doesnt give a **** about the ethics of a company unless it really just pissed them off with customer service. Thats all its about. Thats all it will ever be about. You dont give a **** if the clothes you wear were made by smuggled "slaves" working in horrendous conditions in this country, I know because you wear clothes (ok, Im assuming you wear clothes).

Your argument that Henry is ruining the image of our team is also invalid./ Mostly because most of America has no idea nor doesnt give a **** about Henry's extra curricular activities. Doesnt make it right, thats just how it is. As I said, the "dirty" play of our offensive line over the past 15 years has done far far far more to the detriment of the Denver Bronco image than ANY Bronco will EVER do alone by their off the field activities.

[BroncoInferno]

Can't wait to see Henry bust loose for 1600 yards this season.

[Greybeard]

Can't wait to see Henry bust loose for 1600 yards this season.
Exactly! :thumbsup:

:bronxrox:

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[Atwater His Ass]

Can't wait to see Henry bust loose for 1600 yards this season.

keep evading.

[Greybeard]

keep evading.
You know, it seems I can agree with you in principle. But if you feel the need to
carrry this moral thing any further . . . well, I'm not a Mod or anything, of
course, but perhaps the other forum is more appropriate. ???

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[24champ]

You know, it seems I can agree with you in principle. But if you feel the need to
carrry this moral thing any further . . . well, I'm not a Mod or anything, of
course, but perhaps the other forum is more appropriate. ???

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yeah but are you harassing me?

[BroncoInferno]

keep evading.

Evading what? That I won't equate promiscuity with the torturing and murder of dogs? Guilty as charged Uhh

[Atwater His Ass]

You know, it seems I can agree with you in principle. But if you feel the need to
carrry this moral thing any further . . . well, I'm not a Mod or anything, of
course, but perhaps the other forum is more appropriate. ???

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i asked a question. inferno made the comment that we shouldn't judge henry based on his personal life because it's none of our business. i want to know if he made this same claim with the vick situation.

outside of that, if the mods want to move this thread off the main page, that's fine.

if people just want to make generic comments of "go henry go" to goad myself and others, that is just as much reason to play the mod card.

[Atwater His Ass]

Evading what? That I won't equate promiscuity with the torturing and murder of dogs? Guilty as charged Uhh

that's not what you said. refer above for clarification if you need it. you made the claim that it's none of our business what henry does in his personal life. nowhere am i attempting to draw a parallel between dog fighting and henry's situation.

again. did you post in any of the vick threads?

[Greybeard]

i asked a question. inferno made the comment that we shouldn't judge henry based on his personal life because it's none of our business. i want to know if he made this same claim with the vick situation.

outside of that, if the mods want to move this thread off the main page, that's fine.

if people just want to make generic comments of "go henry go" to goad myself and others, that is just as much reason to play the mod card.
Okay. Just a suggestion. :)

Have a good night. :wave:

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[Greybeard]

yeah but are you harassing me?
Hilarious! Now, you know how to break things up!

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[SoCalBronco]

But if we want to get into the morals end of it, there is the War, Religion, and
Politics forum down below. This one is supposed to be about football issues.
I have a hard time connecting bedroom romps with touchdowns, unless we
are skewing the concept of turning tight ends into wide receivers.

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Mr. Topscribe, welcome to the board...I know you joined recently and have gotten a little bit of a rough welcome by some, but I am glad you are here, you seem to be a good poster. :)

I want to ask you something regarding this statement, you are making the argument that there is a seperation here between football issues/ non-football issues, but I think the line has become quite blurred with the new Personal Conduct Policy. I happen to think what Travis is (allegedly) doing is really reprehensible, and I am losing respect for him as a person, but even for the folks who dont really care about it, it IS a football issue, IMO. The league is now, unquestionably, focusing, to an extreme degree on PR and as such has really tightened the rules (it is not without controversy ofcourse, I support Commissioner Goodell's efforts to clean up this league, even though it appears at times he is very strict and severe....good). We are now in a situation, under league policy, whereby things do not have to be illegal, they just have to embarass the league. If this story about Henry not supporting his 9 different kids snowballs (i.e. more revelations of worse and worse behavior in this regard) and gets out into the media in a more significant way, it WILL affect us, it will become a "football issue" as it were, the league is watching...every thing and this is definitely something that would put Travis at risk. In light of all that, how could you argue that this is not a football issue? IMO, the folks that "don't care about Travis's personal life", SHOULD care.

[Bob]

I don't approve of that lifestyle.

I'm sure I could find some things about you of which I don't approve.

There are things about me . . . too many . . . I don't approve of.


I look at Henry as a running back. Carry the ball.

Let God and the state take care of the rest . . .

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I hope its not 'the state" as those taxes would be from you and me -- But, like has been said --the biggest looser in all of this are kids growing up without a dad. If one cant judge between right and wrong becuase of a misentrepretation of scripture, than we loose the ability to make common sense judgement calls. He is a great running back, but an iresponsibile person. Enough said. Fun to watch on the field, but not a guy I would want my children to emulate.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Here's a thought...to impregnate 9 women one of two things has to be true; either Henry is sleeping with dozens of women without using protection, an incredibly stupid thing to do in the era of HIV...or else he's been suckered multiple times by women looking to score a piece of an NFL paycheck. I'll leave it to the rest of you to snipe at each other about Henry vs. his female partners and the morality of this, but let's face it; there's one thing nobody can argue and that's the fact that Henry is making extremely foolish decisions even though he knows full well the potential consequences. Obviously Henry is capable of doing stupid things over and over again.

This ought to concern the Bronco fan base because we're now basing our running game...the key to our offense...on a guy who is one toke off a joint away from being unemployed. If he'll risk his life and his paycheck...why wouldn't he risk his spot in the NFL as well?

[Greybeard]

Mr. Topscribe, welcome to the board...I know you joined recently and have gotten a little bit of a rough welcome by some, but I am glad you are here, you seem to be a good poster. :)

I want to ask you something regarding this statement, you are making the argument that there is a seperation here between football issues/ non-football issues, but I think the line has become quite blurred with the new Personal Conduct Policy. I happen to think what Travis is (allegedly) doing is really reprehensible, and I am losing respect for him as a person, but even for the folks who dont really care about it, it IS a football issue, IMO. The league is now, unquestionably, focusing, to an extreme degree on PR and as such has really tightened the rules (it is not without controversy ofcourse, I support Commissioner Goodell's efforts to clean up this league, even though it appears at times he is very strict and severe....good). We are now in a situation, under league policy, whereby things do not have to be illegal, they just have to embarass the league. If this story about Henry not supporting his 9 different kids snowballs (i.e. more revelations of worse and worse behavior in this regard) and gets out into the media in a more significant way, it WILL affect us, it will become a "football issue" as it were, the league is watching...every thing and this is definitely something that would put Travis at risk. That is why, IMO, even for the folks that "don't care about Travis's personal life", they SHOULD care.
I knew you before I ever returned over here (I actually joined about 1½ years
ago), SoCal, even though you didn't know me, from both my lurking here and
seeing your posts and your reports. I have long admired you for both.

Now that we know we belong to the same mutual admiration society Ha!, I
will try to add a comment here of some sorts before I attempt to get some
much needed rest.

You made a good point . . . well, several of them, actually. However, if the
league wants to get into a player's private life (short of dog fighting, of
course), where does the league draw the line? Is it at two illegitimate kids?
Three? Four? If they go after Henry, do they also go after Brady? Henry did
the same thing as Brady, only more of it is all.

Don't get me wrong: I don't like that sort of lifestyle. In fact, I personally
view it as disgusting and despicable. But I reserve my reactions because, as
I said, I have my own issues . . . that's called being a human.

If the league sees fit to intervene and require Henry to provide for those kids
if he wants to continue to play football, then more power to them . . . I
would applaud that, for what it is worth.

But me, privately? Can he get me those 1,500 yards? As I said, I have far too
much to clean up in my own life before I go about deciding what should be
done with someone such as Henry. Vick? Yes . . . that is felonious. But, in
Henry's case, all I can do is hope he stops leading such a "productive" life.

Does that make sense?

EDIT: Thanks to Bob, I was made aware of the role model aspect. In that
interest, it does become a football issue.

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[Greybeard]

I hope its not 'the state" as those taxes would be from you and me -- But, like has been said --the biggest looser in all of this are kids growing up without a dad. If one cant judge between right and wrong becuase of a misentrepretation of scripture, than we loose the ability to make common sense judgement calls. He is a great running back, but an iresponsibile person. Enough said. Fun to watch on the field, but not a guy I would want my children to emulate.
Bob, that is probably what bothers me the most, from a football perspective.
These guys are role models. I have little respect for the likes of Brady, Vick,
and now Henry in that regard.

Perhaps for that reason only, the league ought to become more involved.

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[BroncoInferno]

Goodell isn't going to suspend players for having too many illegimate kids, SoCal. Even if he wanted to, he would no have a legal leg to stand on.

[SoCalBronco]

I knew you before I ever returned over here, SoCal, even though you didn't
know me, from both my lurking here and seeing your posts and your reports. I
have long admired you for both.

Now that we know we belong to the same mutual admiration society Ha!, I
will try to add a comment here of some sorts before I attempt to get some
much needed rest.

You made a good point . . . well, several of them, actually. However, if the
league wants to get into a player's private life (short of dog fighting, of
course), where does the league draw the line? Is it at two illegitimate kids?
Three? Four? If they go after Henry, do they also go after Brady? Henry did
the same thing as Brady, only more of it is all.

Don't get me wrong: I don't like that sort of lifestyle. In fact, I personally
view it as disgusting and despicable. But I reserve my reactions because, as
I said, I have my own issues . . . that's called being a human.

If the league sees fit to intervene and require Henry to provide for those kids
if he wants to continue to play football, then more power to them . . . I
would applaud that, for what it is worth.

But me, privately? Can he get me those 1,500 yards? As I said, I have far too
much to clean up in my own life before I go about deciding what should be
done with someone such as Henry. Vick? Yes . . . that is felonious. But, in
Henry's case, all I can do is hope he stops leading such a "productive" life.

Does that make sense?

EDIT: Thanks to Bob, I was made aware of the role model aspect. In that
interest, it does become a football issue.

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I understand what you are saying, in terms of league action, I was not envisioning the league requiring him to satisfy his obligations so much as saying, look travis, this is an embarassment to us, so guess what, you are going to be forced to ride the pine for 4 games. Result: Denver gets more or less screwed.

You raise a good point about where the league draws lines and such, but the fact that the league is somewhat unpredictable here...and particularly aggressive in this area should cause players to be more conservative in their actions. Travis is potentially imperiling the entire team by his conduct. If this guy got suspended for any significant length of time, it could easily torpedo our season.

[Greybeard]

I understand what you are saying, in terms of league action, I was not envisioning the league requiring him to satisfy his obligations so much as saying, look travis, this is an embarassment to us, so guess what, you are going to be forced to ride the pine for 4 games. Result: Denver gets more or less screwed.

You raise a good point about where the league draws lines and such, but the fact that the league is somewhat unpredictable here...and particularly aggressive in this area should cause players to be more conservative in their actions. Travis is potentially imperiling the entire team by his conduct. If this guy got suspended for any significant length of time, it could easily torpedo our season.
The only thing I have to add to that is, compared to the plight of those kids,
and to the role model aspect, our season seems to fade in importance.

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[footstepsfrom#27]

Travis is potentially imperiling the entire team by his conduct. If this guy got suspended for any significant length of time, it could easily torpedo our season.
Not to mention that he's already on a short leash.

[Atlas]

A lot of speculation and bleeding heart proclamations here.....

Momma has something to do with it, no?

I have lost some respct for him, yeah, but I am not gonna judge him, either. He and his social worker will need to come to an understanding.

Unless he knocks her up, too......


I'm still going to cheer for the guy on the field BUT I'm cheering twice as hard for Mike Bell.

[Greybeard]

Not to mention that he's already on a short leash.
Well, in a drugs issue, yes . . .

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[BroncoInferno]

I have no idea how the league could suspend Henry in this matter when he has broken no laws or league rules whatsoever.

[SoCalBronco]

Goodell isn't going to suspend players for having too many illegimate kids, SoCal. Even if he wanted to, he would no have a legal leg to stand on.

Its not just having too many illegitimate kids, its failing in his obligations to basically all of them. Goodell can basically do whatever he wants. The NFLPA granted the office of the Commissioner widespread authority in this area in the latest labor agreement....not only is he the judge, jury and executioner, he is also the Court of appeal! There is very little anyone could do legally here, especially the NFLPA as this a product of collective bargaining and the union had their chance up front to negotiate the rules in this area and they agreed to it. Remember, the policy that the conduct does not need to be illegal, or proven in court etc. just an embarassment to the league has been enforced already on numerous occasions (and I applaud it, he is doing a good job at cleaning stuff up, nonetheless...he IS wielding a huge degree of power here). Goodell possesses awesome power at this time. He could easily destroy Henry if he wanted to (assuming this thing gets bigger and/or more play in the press).

[footstepsfrom#27]

Well, in a drugs issue, yes . . .

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My point is...both these issues involve very poor judgement in the face of advance knowledge that he's taking a huge risk. How do we know he won't excercise that kind of judgement once again related to drugs?

[SoCalBronco]

Not to mention that he's already on a short leash.

Good point, footsteps...I forgot about that, he is on probation for that drug thing, I think that ends at some point in September, but anyway, he has a strike on him, the league doesnt need a whole lot to go after a guy, anyway.

This is INCREDIBLY stupid on his part.

[BroncoInferno]

Its not just having too many illegitimate kids, its failing in his obligations to basically all of them. Goodell can basically do whatever he wants. The NFLPA granted the office of the Commissioner widespread authority in this area in the latest labor agreement....not only is he the judge, jury and executioner, he is also the Court of appeal! There is very little anyone could do legally here, especially the NFLPA as this a product of collective bargaining and the union had their chance up front to negotiate the rules in this area and they agreed to it. Remember, the policy that the conduct does not need to be illegal, or proven in court etc. just an embarassment to the league has been enforced already on numerous occasions (and I applaud it, he is doing a good job at cleaning stuff up, nonetheless...he IS wielding a huge degree of power here). Goodell possesses awesome power at this time. He could easily destroy Henry if he wanted to (assuming this thing gets bigger and/or more play in the press).

Well, the court has only just now ruled on what precisely his obligations are in this matter. He has indicated he will live up to the ruling, so for the time being, I don't see what the league can do against him. I guess it's possible he'll miss the first months payment, but somehow I doubt that will happen.

[Greybeard]

My point is...both these issues involve very poor judgement in the face of advance knowledge that he's taking a huge risk. How do we know he won't excercise that kind of judgement once again related to drugs?
Very good point. Denver seems to have an extraordinary organization, from the
owner to the coaching staff to the players. We can only hope that this will rub
off on him. But then, it failed to with the likes of Clarett, Gardener, et al.

I know one thing, I get tired of worrying about certain players . . .

Well, that's it. The words are blending into the page. Gotta get some rest.

G'night. :wave:

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[Atlas]

Good point, footsteps...I forgot about that, he is on probation for that drug thing, I think that ends at some point in September, but anyway, he has a strike on him, the league doesnt need a whole lot to go after a guy, anyway.

This is INCREDIBLY stupid on his part.

SoCal I have never met you but I know you are like me in one aspect. We would stand up and be accountable for our actions. Like all real men.

You can look back on this thread and see who are the people that wouldn't. It's all about growing up and being a man. Why should I respect anybody that doesn't?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Don't forget that Henry is in this position (the child support issues) because of foolish money management, spending huge sums on jewelry and cars when he's missing child support payments. That just raises another flag signifying concern about his judgement and his willingness to go after short term gratification at the expense of potential long term consequences. If you're talkling about a guy that the NFL is watching due to their substance abuse policy, this is pretty disconcerting IMO.

Memo to Mike Shanahan...scout the RB's well next year.

[BroncoInferno]

SoCal I have never met you but I know you are like me in one aspect. We would stand up and be accountable for our actions. Like all real men.

You can look back on this thread and see who are the people that wouldn't. It's all about growing up and being a man. Why should I respect anybody that doesn't?

What does this post even mean? So those of us who don't view siring illegitimate kids as an illegal or suspendable offense aren't "real men?" Get over yourself.

[Atwater His Ass]

What does this post even mean? So those of us who don't view siring illegitimate kids as an illegal or suspendable offense aren't "real men?" Get over yourself.

whoooooooooosh

[theAPAOps5]

Very good point. Denver seems to have an extraordinary organization, from the
owner to the coaching staff to the players. We can only hope that this will rub
off on him. But then, it failed to with the likes of Clarett, Gardener, et al.

I know one thing, I get tired of worrying about certain players . . .

Well, that's it. The words are blending into the page. Gotta get some rest.

G'night. :wave:

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It also turned around the likes of Sharpe, Rod Smith, and others.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

What's next? You're going to suspend athletes for cheating on their wives? My problem with all these posts and moral judgments is the selectivity of the issue and the degredation of character. And how dare any of you compare this to the michael vick situation! It's apples and oranges. And how dare you suggest things like "where do you draw the line?" Let me ask you this. How many of you are republican and would support a candidate like giuliani? Because these kids that you are speaking of, these forgotten kids, are the same ones you would be taking education away from because you want to save some money in taxes. Because when you support that party, that's what happens. And i know i'm making a generalization, and i know you guys will throw some dumb statistic at me, but my point is, lets not simplify this issue and pretend we are all innocent of any wrongdoing. Saying crap like "im not gonna root for this guy anymore" is ridiculous. I'm sorry. And yes, to us, he's a football player. he's not my friend, he's not a family member, and he's certainly not the only man in america with illegitimate children. So yes, lets all get off our high moral horse and calm down.

[BroncoInferno]

What's next? You're going to suspend athletes for cheating on their wives? My problem with all these posts and moral judgments is the selectivity of the issue and the degredation of character. And how dare any of you compare this to the michael vick situation! It's apples and oranges. And how dare you suggest things like "where do you draw the line?" Let me ask you this. How many of you are republican and would support a candidate like giuliani? Because these kids that you are speaking of, these forgotten kids, are the same ones you would be taking education away from because you want to save some money in taxes. Because when you support that party, that's what happens. And i know i'm making a generalization, and i know you guys will throw some dumb statistic at me, but my point is, lets not simplify this issue and pretend we are all innocent of any wrongdoing. Saying crap like "im not gonna root for this guy anymore" is ridiculous. I'm sorry. And yes, to us, he's a football player. he's not my friend, he's not a family member, and he's certainly not the only man in america with illegitimate children. So yes, lets all get off our high moral horse and calm down.

Bravo. Well stated.

[cutthemdown]

unless he defies a court order and gets held in contempt I doubt the comish would care much. I could care less what a player does as long as he doesn't get suspended. Having a lot of babies, and being mentioned in a court order about what you will have to pay is hardly worth such a long thread IMO. You people freak out too easy.

[footstepsfrom#27]

And how dare any of you compare this to the michael vick situation! It's apples and oranges.
Actually it's not apples to oranges. While Vick's crimes may appear worse to some people (I actually think adding 9 black children to the at risk list through father abandonment is worse, though I'm not sure it's entirely clear if he's done that) the potential impact to the player's team has the potential for being the same. Vick is lost to the Falcons...Henry could be lost to Denver if he screws up again with another substance abuse violation, and his track record in terms of judgement indicates that's not beyond the realm of possibility.

I'm referencing this not in terms of the moral or social impact on society, but on the potential each situation has to directly damage the team on the field.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Actually it's not apples to oranges. While Vick's crimes may appear worse to some people (I actually think adding 9 black children to the at risk list through father abandonment is worse, though I'm not sure it's entirely clear if he's done that) the potential impact to the player's team has the potential for being the same. Vick is lost to the Falcons...Henry could be lost to Denver if he screws up again with another substance abuse violation, and his track record in terms of judgement indicates that's not beyond the realm of possibility.

I'm referencing this not in terms of the moral or social impact on society, but on the potential each situation has to directly damage the team on the field.

I think thats complete BS. Sorry. Most just care what he'd do on the field and, most importantly, nothing he has done is illegal or puts anyone else (on his team) in jeopardy. You are acting as if this is UNIQUE among pro athletes. its not at all.

[footstepsfrom#27]

unless he defies a court order and gets held in contempt I doubt the comish would care much. I could care less what a player does as long as he doesn't get suspended. Having a lot of babies, and being mentioned in a court order about what you will have to pay is hardly worth such a long thread IMO. You people freak out too easy.
Compliance with the NFL's substance abuse policy, something Henry's already violated, assumes that the player will make smart decisions in the face of a potentially disasterous consequence. Henry has already shown both in his financial decisions and his personal life, that he's a large risk to make a foolish decision...one based on a willingness to ignore risks.

I think that makes his position on the team as the runningback we're counting on this year pretty concerning. I hope Mike did his homework on this guy.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I think thats complete BS. Sorry. Most just care what he'd do on the field and, most importantly, nothing he has done is illegal or puts anyone else (on his team) in jeopardy. You are acting as if this is UNIQUE among pro athletes. its not at all.
Eh...Henry's ALREADY done something illegal, and yes, his team's success is at risk for it. You're missing my point. Henry's ability to stay on the field is a function of whether or not he is willing to make the smart decision related to his drug suspension. Has anything in this story given you confidence that Henry is skilled at making smart decisions even knowing that potential consequences exist if he doesn't? Or does it appear he's willing to engage in risky behavior even knowing the possible consequences? Obviously it's the latter.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Call me when he does something illegal again. Until he does that, the argument holds no water.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Call me when he does something illegal again. Until he does that, the argument holds no water.
I'm merely making the point that he suddenly seems more of a risk than he was before.

[broncolife]

At least he knows how to Score:)

[footstepsfrom#27]

At least he knows how to Score:)
Plus he's a one cut 'n go guy. :giggle:

[CBF1]

Atleast he is not out in the clubs at 2 am in the morning.... Hate to see him have any run ins with the law ROFL!

[NASurfer]

1) Henry has had quite a few red flags raised concerning his character. I hope nothing is serious... for his sake and for the sake of his on field productivity. (last part is a selfish reason as a fan).

2) It took two to tango. The women were just as irresponsible as Henry. Henry should know better though.

[Victor]

You are acting as if this is UNIQUE among pro athletes. its not at all.

I don't know of any other pro athletes, off hand, who have fathered nine children by nine different women...none of whom are his wife. That, by definition, is unique. If unique means, as I expect, "out of the ordinary" or "one of a kind", then Travis has exhibited unique behavior, and some would say stupid and irresponsible behavior. Now if you have some secret statistic showing the average pro fathers nine kids out of wedlock, then I apologize. Otherwise you may want to spend more time with your dictionary before you construct an argument.

Even if you disregard the moral and social implications of his actions, he is showing a willingness to put short-term pleasure before long-term consequences. Not once, not twice, not three times...but nine times (supposedly).

The implications for the Broncos, as has been mentioned, are that he has a pattern of making poor choices in his personal life with women, money, and drugs. If he makes another poor choice with drugs he won't be able to run the rock. If he can't run the rock, he can't help the team and he can't make the money to feed his nine kids and he can't buy gas for his $100,000 car.

So, hopefully he can get his head on straight and make some smart choices. Now that would truly be unique...Travis making some smart choices.

[TheReverend]

Sweet! 9 kids that can run the ball hard in a couple decades!

[elsid13]

It must be part of the requirement to be drafted as RB by Bills, McGahee is in similar situation.

On side note - Proves you don't have to be smart to run the freaking ball.

[Drek]

Henry could be lost to Denver if he screws up again with another substance abuse violation, and his track record in terms of judgement indicates that's not beyond the realm of possibility.

Henry's last positive test was about two years ago now, he's no longer part of the league's substance abuse policy if he stays clean/doesn't get tested by week 4 of the regular season. Then it resets the clock and he needs to positives to get a 4 game suspension.

So the chances of Henry getting himself suspended again seem rather remote.

[Paladin]

So, how many women we talking here?

[JJJ]

Probably hasn't reached Wilt the Stilt status with 10k yet, but it appears Wilt was a bit more careful with his finish.

[BroncoInferno]

Henry's last positive test was about two years ago now, he's no longer part of the league's substance abuse policy if he stays clean/doesn't get tested by week 4 of the regular season. Then it resets the clock and he needs to positives to get a 4 game suspension.

So the chances of Henry getting himself suspended again seem rather remote.

Exactly. Folks who are conflating the two issues simply don't know what they are talking about. The drug policy is different from the conduct policy. As you stated, he is about to exit the substance abuse program, at which point he will be, in effect, back to zero on failed tests and would have to fail three before a four game suspension. I doubt that will happen.

And Goodell is not going o start suspending folk for having illegitimate kids. That's just silly. I mean, seriously, how does he go about this? Does he set the acceptable number of illegitimate kids at 3? 4? 8? You people are being plain silly. If you guys want to rip him on moral grounds, go ahead and cast stones, but as far as he conduct policy goes, absolutely nothing to see here.

[Spider]

9 ??? I got some catching up to do ... I am 3 behind

[Sassy]

9 ??? I got some catching up to do ... I am 3 behind

Ha!

[telluride]

Add this to the bad karma we've got this off season.

Also, prepare to hear a lot about this, and for the Broncos to be smeared by association. It isn't fair, of course, but it will happen. Next thing you know the team will be on Hard Knocks, which would be a disaster.

[Atwater His Ass]

What's next? You're going to suspend athletes for cheating on their wives? My problem with all these posts and moral judgments is the selectivity of the issue and the degredation of character. And how dare any of you compare this to the michael vick situation! It's apples and oranges. And how dare you suggest things like "where do you draw the line?" Let me ask you this. How many of you are republican and would support a candidate like giuliani? Because these kids that you are speaking of, these forgotten kids, are the same ones you would be taking education away from because you want to save some money in taxes. Because when you support that party, that's what happens. And i know i'm making a generalization, and i know you guys will throw some dumb statistic at me, but my point is, lets not simplify this issue and pretend we are all innocent of any wrongdoing. Saying crap like "im not gonna root for this guy anymore" is ridiculous. I'm sorry. And yes, to us, he's a football player. he's not my friend, he's not a family member, and he's certainly not the only man in america with illegitimate children. So yes, lets all get off our high moral horse and calm down.

The parallel I was drawing was to all the hypocrites here that are saying it's none of our busniess what Henry does in his private life. In that respect, it is the same as in the Vick case. Dog fighting was something done in Vick's private life, so how is it any business of ours? Get it now?

And foot does make a point that this most certainly could affect the Broncos if the league would decided to do something about it. I'm not saying they will or even should, but it is a fair argument to persue at this point.

[Rock Chalk]

9 ??? I got some catching up to do ... I am 3 behind

I told you before Spider, its a vagina, not a clown car, snip it in the bud.

[BMF Bronco]

Sweet! 9 kids that can run the ball hard in a couple decades!

Damn it man, you took my like, I was going to say, hell 2 more and there is our starting offense in 15/20 years!

[Atlas]

What's next? You're going to suspend athletes for cheating on their wives? My problem with all these posts and moral judgments is the selectivity of the issue and the degredation of character. And how dare any of you compare this to the michael vick situation! It's apples and oranges. And how dare you suggest things like "where do you draw the line?" Let me ask you this. How many of you are republican and would support a candidate like giuliani? Because these kids that you are speaking of, these forgotten kids, are the same ones you would be taking education away from because you want to save some money in taxes. Because when you support that party, that's what happens. And i know i'm making a generalization, and i know you guys will throw some dumb statistic at me, but my point is, lets not simplify this issue and pretend we are all innocent of any wrongdoing. Saying crap like "im not gonna root for this guy anymore" is ridiculous. I'm sorry. And yes, to us, he's a football player. he's not my friend, he's not a family member, and he's certainly not the only man in america with illegitimate children. So yes, lets all get off our high moral horse and calm down.


That's funny we bash the likes of Derrick Thomas and his 6 children, Shawn Kemp and his 9 children, Evander Holyfield and all of his children but hey if it's a Denve Bronco we are just supossed to get over ourselves?

I'll still cheer for him to do good of course but I'll cheer twice as hard for Mike Bell.

[DBroncos4life]

I have to pay child support for my child out of wedlock.

[Jason in LA]

Wow, Henrey is pretty dumb. I hope for his sake, and the sake of the kids, that he gets a good finanial advisor so his money will take care of himself and the kids. He's doing a piss poor job of it on his own.

With that said, I'm always of the opinion that these players personal lives are none of our business, so I'll be rooting for him to go for 1,500+ yards. This story don't change anything for me. I hope he can manage his personal life, but I really don't need to know, or care to know if he has or hasn't. I have my own issues to worry about. I'll be pissed if he lets these off the field issues affect his on the field play. But to this point, that doesn't seem to be the case, as he's had a pretty good career.

[cutthemdown]

The comissioner of football is trying to get players to not drive drunk, beat their wives or kids, kill people, gamble, get arrested etc etc. He isn't going to try and regulate the players lives to the point of suspending a guy for being a crappy person or a bad dad. Family law is civil law and it's just not something Goddell will get involved in. Any of you that think he would take the you make the leauge look bad argument to this is just reaching IMO. No player has ever gotten in trouble for being a dead beat dad. If Henrey took it so far as to defy court orders, be found in contempt, still not comply, etc etc then maybe he would so something. This issue IMO has zero chance of turning into something that could jeapordize henrey's playing for Broncos.

[yavoon]

he's a douche, I hope the moms are really aggressive and attach his paychecks.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Dumb ass.

[cutthemdown]

Compliance with the NFL's substance abuse policy, something Henry's already violated, assumes that the player will make smart decisions in the face of a potentially disasterous consequence. Henry has already shown both in his financial decisions and his personal life, that he's a large risk to make a foolish decision...one based on a willingness to ignore risks.

I think that makes his position on the team as the runningback we're counting on this year pretty concerning. I hope Mike did his homework on this guy.

It's stupid to have so many kids, but it's not illegal

[footstepsfrom#27]

Henry's last positive test was about two years ago now, he's no longer part of the league's substance abuse policy if he stays clean/doesn't get tested by week 4 of the regular season. Then it resets the clock and he needs to positives to get a 4 game suspension.
So what you're saying is that he could get suspended again if he makes two bad decisions. Last I checked, 2 < 9.
So the chances of Henry getting himself suspended again seem rather remote.
So are the chances of impregnating NINE women, but he somehow managed to pull that off too. To get NINE women pregnant, he had to be either deliberately trying to do so, get suckered NINE times by gold diggers, or he's sleeping with literally DOZENS of women. Condoms are 80% effective if used properly. So IF each of these women was ovulating at the time (a very unlikely possibility), Henry would have only a 1 in 5 chance in any one sexual encounter of getting his partner pregnant. So multiply each kid x 5, now factor in the likelyhood that all these women just happened to be fertile at that time...you get the idea. He's achieved something almost impossible unless he's out there just doin' it like a rabbit.

Drug suspension...NINE kids out of wedlock...failing to pay child support...a highly irresponsible way of handling his 7 figure paycheck. What doesn't scream RISK FACTORS about this guy?

Cross your fingers...his knee might be the least of our worries.

[footstepsfrom#27]

It's stupid to have so many kids, but it's not illegal
I never said it was illegal. I'm saying it says something about his character which others have said, but MORE importantly, about his JUDGEMENT. IT's only one of 4 known problems at this point. You have to consider that his past indicates he is willing to make unwise decisions knowing full well he might get burned as a result. That's what got him in trouble with the drug suspension. It's what got him in trouble with his finances. It's why he has 9 kids he has to support and it's why he's a behavioral risk if you consider this all in the light of the NFL's new policy on bad boys. Shanny needs to keep a sharp eye on this dude.

[Paladin]

Funny thread.....

Meanwhile, it behooves us to remember that this topic is of immense concern to those who are shooting live bullets. All others do not need jimmy hats, nor do they need to worry about future payments.

If you are shooting live bullets, you need to seriously consider your target, and the intended results, before gettting out the little henry - so to speak - and taking a dip. Judging by the avatars, it is not a stretch of the imagination that there are many here who have active little henri's that would not mind dipping into the pool of extasy. if it is properly proportioned. Such is the continuing battle between the sexes: who is the aggressor, and who is the begetter.

Do not beget when the getting can be bad for your pocketbook, health, social or legal standing......

[footstepsfrom#27]

The comissioner of football is trying to get players to not drive drunk, beat their wives or kids, kill people, gamble, get arrested etc etc. He isn't going to try and regulate the players lives to the point of suspending a guy for being a crappy person or a bad dad. Family law is civil law and it's just not something Goddell will get involved in. Any of you that think he would take the you make the leauge look bad argument to this is just reaching IMO. No player has ever gotten in trouble for being a dead beat dad. If Henrey took it so far as to defy court orders, be found in contempt, still not comply, etc etc then maybe he would so something. This issue IMO has zero chance of turning into something that could jeapordize henrey's playing for Broncos.
That assumes his poor behavioral choices won't cross the line from legal to illegal...something we already know has happened before.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You would think most humans with Forrest Gump IQs would figure out after the first one or two that it might be a good idea to get it snipped. Henry's stupidity directly reflects on the Denver Broncos organization and community.

Disgusting really. 9, count em, 9 kids without fathers because of this irresponsible excuse for a human being.

Goodell ought to see if players without brains violates his personal conduct policy.

[Los Broncos]

I hope he scores at least one td for every kid he has this season.

[Paladin]

Whatayamean? They got a father. They got a momma, too. Just a different sort of arrangement, that's all. Sort of a unreported and not illegal polygamous relationship...

Henry is a vagabond lover. It is true that the kids will likely have to just read about daddy in the papers, but he is paying for them, and maybe he visits them once in a while. I dunno. It doesn't matter to me personally.

If the mommas want a stay-at-home dad, they should probably try and find one. I am sure they have the wiles to entice other "princes" to their nests........

[Arkie]

I hope he scores at least one td for every kid he has this season.

at least

[Atlas]

So what you're saying is that he could get suspended again if he makes two bad decisions. Last I checked, 2 < 9.

So are the chances of impregnating NINE women, but he somehow managed to pull that off too. To get NINE women pregnant, he had to be either deliberately trying to do so, get suckered NINE times by gold diggers, or he's sleeping with literally DOZENS of women. Condoms are 80% effective if used properly. So IF each of these women was ovulating at the time (a very unlikely possibility), Henry would have only a 1 in 5 chance in any one sexual encounter of getting his partner pregnant. So multiply each kid x 5, now factor in the likelyhood that all these women just happened to be fertile at that time...you get the idea. He's achieved something almost impossible unless he's out there just doin' it like a rabbit.

Drug suspension...NINE kids out of wedlock...failing to pay child support...a highly irresponsible way of handling his 7 figure paycheck. What doesn't scream RISK FACTORS about this guy?

Cross your fingers...his knee might be the least of our worries.

If used properly condomas are 98% effective. If used improperly they are probably 80%.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Whatayamean? They got a father. They got a momma, too. Just a different sort of arrangement, that's all. A father brings his asre home at night along with the paycheck. A father knows that the most important thing in the world are his creations (kids) and he is 100% responsible for raising them, protecting them, helping them whenever they need it and loving them.

Henry is no father, just an irresponsible excuse for a human.

[Jason in LA]

Just to lighten the thread up a bit, I hope Henry runs for 200 yards and two TDs for each kid his has. ;D Maybe by the end of the season he'll have another one and go for 2000 yards and 20 TDs.

[Greybeard]

Whatayamean? They got a father. They got a momma, too. Just a different sort of arrangement, that's all. Sort of a unreported and not illegal polygamous relationship...

Henry is a vagabond lover. It is true that the kids will likely have to just read about daddy in the papers, but he is paying for them, and maybe he visits them once in a while. I dunno. It doesn't matter to me personally.

If the mommas want a stay-at-home dad, they should probably try and find one. I am sure they have the wiles to entice other "princes" to their nests........
I perceive that at least some of your post is tongue-in-cheek.

However, I might respond that if the mothers go out and find "daddies," none of
those dudes will be the real daddies to those kids. Few step parents can love
a kid as the real one can. It isn't the same thing. Moreover, Momma won't
know for sure whether she is getting a child abuser or molester until after the
fact.

And sending money does not constitute being a daddy.

Despite my posts seemingly to the contrary, I despise that type of situation.
I don't think much of the men and women who created it.

My argument was from the perspective of Henry as a football player for the
team . . . after all, this is a football forum. Were this, say, in the War, Religion,
and Politics forum, I would have posed an entirely different argument.

Nonetheless, we cannot dismiss the tragedy Henry and his lovers have
created for those innocent little children, who are at their mercy.

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[footstepsfrom#27]

If used properly condomas are 98% effective. If used improperly they are probably 80%.
http://contraception.about.com/od/overthecounterchoices/p/OTC.htm
According to this they have to be used "perfectly" to be 98% effective, and are only 85% effective with "typical" use. They're also only 80% effective in preventing HIV or other STD's even when used correctly, so obviously that leaves a huge probability of either infection or pregnancy if you're having repeat sex with multiple partners. Irregardless...let's face it...you have to be a major screw up to come away from your "hobby" with NINE dependents.

[Arkie]

Henry is spreading his love and his athletic seed around increasing the chances that one of his offspring will make it to the NFL.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Wow, Henrey is pretty dumb. I hope for his sake, and the sake of the kids, that he gets a good finanial advisor so his money will take care of himself and the kids. He's doing a piss poor job of it on his own.

With that said, I'm always of the opinion that these players personal lives are none of our business, so I'll be rooting for him to go for 1,500+ yards. This story don't change anything for me. I hope he can manage his personal life, but I really don't need to know, or care to know if he has or hasn't. I have my own issues to worry about. I'll be pissed if he lets these off the field issues affect his on the field play. But to this point, that doesn't seem to be the case, as he's had a pretty good career.Yeah much more important to put any player on the team that might help us win no matter how low his intelligence level, lack of character and or morals or complete lack of responsibility in making personal decisions.

[Rock Chalk]

http://contraception.about.com/od/overthecounterchoices/p/OTC.htm
According to this they have to be used "perfectly" to be 98% effective, and are only 85% effective with "typical" use. They're also only 80% effective in preventing HIV or other STD's even when used correctly, so obviously that leaves a huge probability of either infection or pregnancy if you're having repeat sex with multiple partners. Irregardless...let's face it...you have to be a major screw up to come away from your "hobby" with NINE dependents.

Just a FYI, "irregardless" is not a word.

[Jason in LA]

Yeah much more important to put any player on the team that might help us win no matter how low his intelligence level, lack of character and or morals or complete lack of responsibility in making personal decisions.


If Henry has a big year you will be cheering him along every step of the way. When he has a big game or makes a big play you'll be going nuts just like the rest of us. Lets be real, you won't be thinking about those 9 kids.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Just a FYI, "irregardless" is not a word.Maybe not in Spanish but in English it is.

[Rock Chalk]

Maybe not in Spanish but in English it is.

Technically you are correct however it is an erroneous redundancy for regardless and Webster's dictionary says to use regardless instead.

Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

Its like a double negative.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If Henry has a big year you will be cheering him along every step of the way. When he has a big game or makes a big play you'll be going nuts just like the rest of us. Lets be real, you won't be thinking about those 9 kids.No, not after learning about this crap. Parental responsibility is one of the most important things in life. I can't stand people who are too much of a coward or too stupid to step up to their parental responsibilities.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Technically you are correct however it is an erroneous redundancy for regardless and Webster's dictionary says to use regardless instead.
Its like a double negative.That's so 20th century.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Just a FYI, "irregardless" is not a word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless
In the last twenty-five years, irregardless has become a common entry in dictionaries and usage reference books. It appears in a wide range of dictionaries including: Webster's Third New International Dictionary of the English Language Unabridged (1961, repr. 2002),[4] The Barnhart Dictionary of Etymology (1988), The American Heritage Dictionary (Second College Edition, 1991),[5] Microsoft Encarta College Dictionary (2001), and Webster’s New World College Dictionary (Fourth Edition, 2004)

[Rock Chalk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless

1) wikipedia is untrustworthy and misleading.
2) In all those dictionaries the word is "nonstandard".

It is a double negative.

case in point;

the prefix ir means not.

the suffix less means without.

not regard without.

Make any sense to you whatsoever? Proper linguists adamantly argue against it as a word because its piss poor yankee english.

[Greybeard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless
I was dinged on my college essays for using that word . . . twice. I had since
corrected my own students from their usage of it.

Here is the entry from Merriam-Webster Online (http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless):

Main Entry:
ir·re·gard·less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless
Pronunciation:
\ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date:
circa 1912

nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th
century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage
commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it
is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used
primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose.
Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from
general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

That aside, I have just one question: What's the big deal?

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[footstepsfrom#27]

1) wikipedia is untrustworthy and misleading.
2) In all those dictionaries the word is "nonstandard".

It is a double negative.

case in point;

the prefix ir means not.

the suffix less means without.

not regard without.

Make any sense to you whatsoever? Proper linguists adamantly argue against it as a word because its piss poor yankee english.
Well irregardless of that...I like it... Nyah!

[Jason in LA]

No, not after learning about this crap. Parental responsibility is one of the most important things in life. I can't stand people who are too much of a coward or too stupid to step up to their parental responsibilities.


So you are telling us that if he scores a TD, you won't be happy? Come on now. I'm not saying that you'll be happy for him, but you'll be happy that the Broncos put some points on the board. So you will be cheering when he has a big play or game.

[Paladin]

So. You are saying that fathers must live at home and bring in the paychecks? That is so 1980's. There are a lot of different marriage arrangements in this country, including unmarried mommies and daddies who live at home and do the joint parental unit thing.... There are also daddies who cannot live with mommy but they do see the kids quite often and pay for their care and educationand so on, and participate in the kids' lives as much as possible. There are arrangements where Daddy has custody and mommy is no where to be found. OR, mommy may see the kids as often as ppossible, but not be the custodial parental unit.

See what I mean?

The "old Fashioned" "Ozzie and Harriet" family structures may not be the actual norm anymore. Not to say there aren't problems with the new wave arrangements, but many work out okay. For everyone, including the kids.

[footstepsfrom#27]

So. You are saying that fathers must live at home and bring in the paychecks? That is so 1980's. There are a lot of different marriage arrangements in this country, including unmarried mommies and daddies who live at home and do the joint parental unit thing.... There are also daddies who cannot live with mommy but they do see the kids quite often and pay for their care and educationand so on, and participate in the kids' lives as much as possible. There are arrangements where Daddy has custody and mommy is no where to be found. OR, mommy may see the kids as often as ppossible, but not be the custodial parental unit.

See what I mean?

The "old Fashioned" "Ozzie and Harriet" family structures may not be the actual norm anymore. Not to say there aren't problems with the new wave arrangements, but many work out okay. For everyone, including the kids.
Most people call those "disfunctional families".

[Rock Chalk]

Most people call those "disfunctional families".

Most people are morons.

The family unit of the 50s is not the only way. My parents divorced when I was a baby, both love me, both raised me and both helped financially to make sure I did not want for anything. There was nothing dysfunctional about my family other than the fact that they lived in separate states and hated each other. Didnt change their love for me.

Many families in this country are similarly formed. Dysfunctional suggests that one or both parents are worthless.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Most people are morons.

The family unit of the 50s is not the only way. My parents divorced when I was a baby, both love me, both raised me and both helped financially to make sure I did not want for anything. There was nothing dysfunctional about my family other than the fact that they lived in separate states and hated each other. Didnt change their love for me.

Many families in this country are similarly formed. Dysfunctional suggests that one or both parents are worthless.
I don't know where you got that from, but the point is, it's generally better for kids to be raised by two caring parents in one household. Studies repeatedly show that kids have more problems when there's a family split. That doesn't mean it can't work, but the exception to the rule only proves the rule.

I hope you're not suggesting Henry's a responsible guy here.

[Cito Pelon]

1) wikipedia is untrustworthy and misleading . . . . ..

Speaking of Wikipedia, I saw an article from the AP not long ago stating that the CIA and FBI had altered some of their entries. Wikipedia is an honor-based system. If one's research is based on Wikipedia, one better find corroboration before quoting Wikipedia as gospel.

[Atlas]

If Henry has a big year you will be cheering him along every step of the way. When he has a big game or makes a big play you'll be going nuts just like the rest of us. Lets be real, you won't be thinking about those 9 kids.

Henry might be the nicest guy in the world. He just lacks character. I'm sure his dad was probably never around either.

[Requiem]

Who cares!?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Who cares!?
We will if he goes off the reservation and does something crazy to get himself suspended.

[Atlas]

Who cares!?


I guess you could say the same thing about Vick killing dogs, who cares. Their only dogs.

What Henry is doing isn't illegal but i think it's worse than what Vick has done. Just my opinion.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So you are telling us that if he scores a TD, you won't be happy? Come on now. I'm not saying that you'll be happy for him, but you'll be happy that the Broncos put some points on the board. So you will be cheering when he has a big play or game.I'm telling you I won't be cheering anything Henry does unless it's getting sterilized.
So. You are saying that fathers must live at home and bring in the paychecks? That is so 1980's.
I'll just mark that stupid statement down to complete ignorance. Anyone that has looked around at our country lately knows that THE major problem is kids having kids and one parent families.

[brian85in]

any one else thinking just a typical jigga..........

[brian85in]

So. You are saying that fathers must live at home and bring in the paychecks? That is so 1980's. There are a lot of different marriage arrangements in this country, including unmarried mommies and daddies who live at home and do the joint parental unit thing.... There are also daddies who cannot live with mommy but they do see the kids quite often and pay for their care and educationand so on, and participate in the kids' lives as much as possible. There are arrangements where Daddy has custody and mommy is no where to be found. OR, mommy may see the kids as often as ppossible, but not be the custodial parental unit.

See what I mean?

The "old Fashioned" "Ozzie and Harriet" family structures may not be the actual norm anymore. Not to say there aren't problems with the new wave arrangements, but many work out okay. For everyone, including the kids.

No Sh*&! But this guy has 9 children with 4 or 5 different women--THAT IS INEXCUSABLE

[BMF Bronco]

any one else thinking just a typical jigga..........

well that's probably the last thing you're going to say on this board.

[smalltowngrll]

No Sh*&! But this guy has 9 children with 4 or 5 different women--THAT IS INEXCUSABLE

Reread the article. That's 9 children with 9 women in 4 states!

[rugbythug]

Reading this thread gives me some hope for the future of our country. People should be outraged at this kind of behaviour. It really is sickening. Pure out and out selfishness. If he gave a crap about anyone other than himself this would not be a problem.

[DenverBrit]

any one else thinking just a typical jigga..........

Can you guess what I'm thinking about you.

[Gort]

What he's done is irresponsible.....

But I'm not concerned about his personal affairs....at all

I am ONLY interested in him running the football.....

His baby-momma-drama is none of my business.....

to be more precise, wouldn't it be...

baby-baby-baby-baby-baby-
baby-baby-baby-baby-momma-
momma-momma-momma-momma-
momma-momma-momma-momma-drama ?

[Greybeard]

to be more precise, wouldn't it be...

baby-baby-baby-baby-baby-
baby-baby-baby-baby-momma-
momma-momma-momma-momma-
momma-momma-momma-momma-drama ?

LOL

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[Bronco_Beerslug]

to be more precise, wouldn't it be...
baby-baby-baby-baby-baby-
baby-baby-baby-baby-momma-
momma-momma-momma-momma-
momma-momma-momma-momma-drama ?
Hilarious. I'm sure you'll find an idiot or two on this board that thinks it really is though.