View Full Version : Should Cutler even play tomorrow?
I'm not sure which way Mike will go. I'm sure a good number of our starters will find their names on the "Will Not Play" list. If we didn't have all these injuries, I'd say do the normal thing and let them play the first half but I'd rather take my chances with them improving in practice and getting healthy for real season game #1 then playing tomorrow. I'm not even sure I would send Cutler out there with the injuries to the OL. We know Henry isn't playing for sure. Why play Jay? For real. Why even play him? I would not risk it.
Rock Chalk
08-24-2007, 10:02 PM
Cutler should play 3 full quarters of football.
Injuries aside, he needs the experience. As much as Dallas blitzed and whooped up on us last week, it was probably good for Cutler to get that experience in and beating up on Cleveland will give him practice for when we play Oakland and KC this year ;D
OrangeShadow
08-24-2007, 10:06 PM
yes
eddie mac
08-24-2007, 10:06 PM
Zona injuries are a part of the game. You just cant bench your starting QB because your affraid he may go down. He's just as likely to trip over a dog or get up too quick from his sofa and pull something.
footstepsfrom#27
08-24-2007, 10:08 PM
He has to play. We're not going into the season with him being rusty and out of sync to go along with all our other problems. The offense is going to have to carry this team while Bate's D gets itself together.
Cutler should play 3 full quarters of football.
Injuries aside, he needs the experience. As much as Dallas blitzed and whooped up on us last week, it was probably good for Cutler to get that experience in and beating up on Cleveland will give him practice for when we play Oakland and KC this year ;D
But if Cleveland is going to play by the "code" and throw vanilla at Jay, what good is that doing him? I don't agree that last week was good for him. There wasn't much for him to do but throw the ball away. At least he did that and didn't pull a Plummer and foce 2 INT's under pressure. He's already showed that he's matured in that area and we know he can sling it good. With a beaten up OL and no Henry, I say it won't be good for his developement. I'd rather have him in there with starters and have a good chance to suceed. We saw what he can do with camp bodies already. The same thing he did at Vandy. He survived. I want him to do more then that. He's gonna get plenty of experiece this year. I don't see how much more he is going to improve in one half of preseason football. None of the starters even play the last one so really, we are only talking about one half of a preseason game against the Browns. Not worth it in my book. At most a series or two. Forget going 3 quarters.
Rock Chalk
08-24-2007, 10:09 PM
But if Cleveland is going to play by the "code" and throw vanilla at Jay, what good is that doing him? I don't agree that last week was good for him. There wasn't much for him to do but throw the ball away. At least he did that and didn't pull a Plummer and foce 2 INT's under pressure. He's already showed that he's matured in that area and we know he can sling it good. With a beaten up OL and no Henry, I say it won't be good for his developement. I'd rather have him in there with starters and have a good chance to suceed. We saw what he can do with camp bodies already. The same thing he did at Vandy. He survived. I want him to do more then that. He's gonna get plenty of experiece this year. I don't see how much more he is going to improve in one half of preseason football. None of the starters even play the last one so really, we are only talking about one half of a preseason game against the Browns. Not worth it in my book.
Thankfully you have nothing to do with the Denver Bronco organization.
Thankfully you have nothing to do with the Denver Bronco organization.
Thankfully you don't either. You think one half of a preseason game is going to make some dramtic difference in how Jay will perform day one of regular season. That's smart thinking right there. :strong:
Rock Chalk
08-24-2007, 10:14 PM
Thankfully you don't either. You think one half of a preseason game is going to make some dramtic difference in how Jay will perform day one of regular season. That's smart thinking right there. :strong:
I think Jay Cutler needs all the experience he can get before the games start counting.
Smart thinking is sitting our starting QB and letting him get rusty while the games that count are creeping up. Oh and apparently all the GMs and HCs in the NFL agree with me since they all play their starters for about 3 quarters of football in the third preseason game and none of them agree with your moronic stance.
bcbronc
08-24-2007, 10:17 PM
with the amount of camp his recievers have missed, he needs the game time to get in sync with them.
to me the better question is whether he should see a couple of series in game 4. I'd be okay with as much as a quarter of the 4th game.
cutthemdown
08-24-2007, 10:23 PM
Cutler has to play. He hasn't even proved himself capable of leading the team yet. Let's not start treating him like an established qb before he has earned it. He still has so much to learn I'd let him throw at least 20 passes this game.
I think Jay Cutler needs all the experience he can get before the games start counting.
Smart thinking is sitting our starting QB and letting him get rusty while the games that count are creeping up. Oh and apparently all the GMs and HCs in the NFL agree with me since they all play their starters for about 3 quarters of football in the third preseason game and none of them agree with your moronic stance.
All the coaches and GM's agree with you? I think that's a vanilla statement at best. I would say alot of that depends on the health of your team. If you've got guys falling down left and right, I would say it's more important to get and stay healthy. Rust is what you build up during the offseason, not while you practice for two hours a day against Champ and Bly.
Oh - and for the record, MANY GM's and coaches don't think there should be 4 preseason games...........why because they agree with ME. Football is a major impact sport and injuries are a GIVEN. Many coaches think that preseason is for evaluating new talent and rookies. They are forced to play starters for the sake of selling preseason tickets because of the owners. You will learn grasshopper, someday.
Yes. But only if he has no wrist tendonitis whatsoever, or any other injury of concern.
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/handwristsurgery/a/wristtendonitis.htm
What is the treatment for wrist tendonitis?
Immobilization
Placing the wrist in a splint or a cast is usually the first treatment step. Wrist tendonitis is due to recurrent irritation of the tendon and its sheath. By resting the tendon, the inflammation should decrease.
Find a Wrist Splint
Ice the Injury
Applying an ice pack intermittently to the area of inflammation may also be beneficial. Icing wrist tendonitis can help to cool inflammation and also stimulates blood flow to the area of tendonitis.
Anti-Inflammatory Medications
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medications will help control symptoms of pain, but more importantly they help in the treatment of wrist tendonitis to decrease inflammation and swelling of the soft-tissues. These treatment medications will decease the inflammatory response which is the cause of the pain.
Cortisone Injection
Cortisone is a more powerful anti-inflammatory treatment option that is given by injection directly to the site of inflammation. Cortisone injections are safe, but can weaken tendons over time if too many injections are given.
Surgery
Surgery is only done when these other treatment methods have failed to solve the problem. If that is the case, the area of tight tendon sheath that cause the painful and difficult tendon movements can be released. The inflammatory tissue can also be removed in an effort to create more space for the tendon to move freely.
Kaylore
08-24-2007, 10:38 PM
Cutler should play 3 full quarters of football.
Injuries aside, he needs the experience. As much as Dallas blitzed and whooped up on us last week, it was probably good for Cutler to get that experience in and beating up on Cleveland will give him practice for when we play Oakland and KC this year ;D
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Hogan11
08-24-2007, 10:58 PM
I'd love to see what the quality of play would be like if they cut the pre-season games to just two.
Play him.
Northman
08-24-2007, 11:06 PM
Should Cutler play? Absolutely. Injuries happen so being afraid of a player getting hurt is just chicken ****. And as Alec already pointed out, Jay is our starter and he needs the experience which is something he has very little of right now.
JLesSPE
08-24-2007, 11:08 PM
Success at the QB position is dependant upon chemistry with the rest of the offense. You have to have your timing down in the pocket, timing of the routes, the ability to feel pressure and move in the pocket. Different defenses play with different speeds, formations, plays, looks...Jay hasn't seen a whole lot of NFL defenses face to face in live action. Experience is the ONLY way he's going to grow into an intelligent NFL QB. Even Peyton will play a lot in preseason game 3 with a rookie LT. If you can't stay healthy in half of a preseason game how are you gonna stay healthy for 16 (or more hopefully) regular season games?
SonOfLe-loLang
08-24-2007, 11:13 PM
Is this even a debate?
Hercules Rockefeller
08-24-2007, 11:17 PM
****ing better, I'm not going to Invesco to watch 3 quarters of Patrick Ramsey
bronco militia
08-24-2007, 11:21 PM
****ing better, I'm not going to Invesco to watch 3 quarters of Patrick Ramsey
no ****!
Los Broncos
08-24-2007, 11:41 PM
He needs to play
He should be in there for at least the first half
azbroncfan
08-24-2007, 11:42 PM
With as bad as the O looked last week he better play first half of the game at least.
Jason7730
08-24-2007, 11:44 PM
Should Cutler play? Absolutely. Injuries happen so being afraid of a player getting hurt is just chicken ****. And as Alec already pointed out, Jay is our starter and he needs the experience which is something he has very little of right now.
No doubt. Stokley is supposed to start etc., we need to develope some cohesion in the passing game. Jay wiil play approx. 30 plays. He will rest next week. Come on Zona, starters pretty much always play about 3 qtrs. in the third game.
Greybeard
08-24-2007, 11:50 PM
I really thought, even before the preseason began, that Cutler should play
more than the average starting quarterback. He had all of five games
experience. They keep referring to him as a second year QB, and he is not. He
is still technically a rookie. I just don't understand their trying to protect him
in the preseason so he can go out and get murdered when the chips are down.
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cabronco
08-24-2007, 11:53 PM
I say Jay & the rest of the starters need to play 3 quarters, so they can get the chemistry going in the right direction. And the D-line & Lb's 3- 1/2 to 4quarters, substituting the outside Lb's.
BucklandBronco
08-25-2007, 12:32 AM
I'd play him for 5 quarters. He needs it.
But, then again, I'm a hardass. 8')
No1BroncoFan
08-25-2007, 12:36 AM
I'd love to see what the quality of play would be like if they cut the pre-season games to just two.
Play him.
Two "pre-season" (aka bullsh*t) games and 18 regular season games. That way the owners still get the cash flow and the fans don't feel cheated.
Ben
Rock Chalk
08-25-2007, 12:46 AM
Two "pre-season" (aka bullsh*t) games and 18 regular season games. That way the owners still get the cash flow and the fans don't feel cheated.
Ben
And further diluting records already established.
Sorry, but thats a ****ty idea IMO.
Orange_Beard
08-25-2007, 12:47 AM
Yeah, he needs work.
Bronco Billy
08-25-2007, 12:49 AM
He definitely needs to play, if only for the first quarter or the scripted 15 plays. If things get bad on the OL (not blocking anyone) then pull him, but he needs all the experience he can get right now.
No1BroncoFan
08-25-2007, 12:58 AM
And further diluting records already established.
Sorry, but thats a ****ty idea IMO.
The NFL is gonna play 20 every year anyway. Why not make 'em count? As for the records, that's what asterisks are for.
Ben
Rock Chalk
08-25-2007, 01:03 AM
The NFL is gonna play 20 every year anyway. Why not make 'em count? As for the records, that's what asterisks are for.
Ben
We will never agree on this.
The only people that really complain are season ticket holders. I like the 16 game format with 4 preseason games. I get to see all the young people and the dark horses and sleepers and people that are feel good stories that may never do anything in the NFL but got their shot to do what we all here wish we could. The system in my opinion, is perfect as is.
As for asterisks. Yeah, tell that to TD when 18 games are played and 5 RBs get 2000 yards every year and TD's chances of the Hall are completely destroyed because its no longer special to get 2000 yards.
Bronco Billy
08-25-2007, 01:25 AM
The preseason has its value without making the games count. No major sport jumps immediately into their season. Football is the most complex in terms of working as a team. I would never want ot see the NFL drop below 3 preseason games, but I prefer the format they're in now.
No1BroncoFan
08-25-2007, 01:38 AM
We will never agree on this.
The only people that really complain are season ticket holders. I like the 16 game format with 4 preseason games. I get to see all the young people and the dark horses and sleepers and people that are feel good stories that may never do anything in the NFL but got their shot to do what we all here wish we could. The system in my opinion, is perfect as is.
As for asterisks. Yeah, tell that to TD when 18 games are played and 5 RBs get 2000 yards every year and TD's chances of the Hall are completely destroyed because its no longer special to get 2000 yards.
We won't agree, but it's a better discussion than who's banging who in that other thread. ;D
I don't usually watch the preseason games once the starters are done so I don't really want to sit through for of them, especially considering two of them (1st & 3rd) are mostly scrubs.
5 RBs every year rushing for 2000? Were there five last season that rushed for 1800? Even 1600? 2000 would still be a huge milestone.
Ben
No1BroncoFan
08-25-2007, 01:42 AM
The preseason has its value without making the games count. No major sport jumps immediately into their season. Football is the most complex in terms of working as a team. I would never want ot see the NFL drop below 3 preseason games, but I prefer the format they're in now.
True, but how many sports have a preseason schedule that is equal to 1/4 of a regular season.
Ben
Rock Chalk
08-25-2007, 01:55 AM
True, but how many sports have a preseason schedule that is equal to 1/4 of a regular season.
Ben
Good point, but how many other sports are as complex as football? Exactly none. Indeed, all of them combined are hardly as complex as football as a team sport and the required chemistry, timing and unity needed to be good.
Garcia Bronco
08-25-2007, 02:13 AM
Yes he should. I have 3rd row seats
chawknz
08-25-2007, 11:06 AM
The longer he plays today, the better.
BigPlayShay
08-25-2007, 02:51 PM
But if Cleveland is going to play by the "code" and throw vanilla at Jay, what good is that doing him?
"Code" in the 3rd pre-season game is to install a full game plan as if it was a regular season game. So, Jay will see blitzes, different coverages, etc... It won't be that vanilla, especially since they don't play the Browns in the regular season. You absolutely play him and as many starters as possible into the 3rd QTR.
Cito Pelon
08-25-2007, 03:26 PM
But if Cleveland is going to play by the "code" and throw vanilla at Jay, what good is that doing him? I don't agree that last week was good for him. There wasn't much for him to do but throw the ball away. At least he did that and didn't pull a Plummer and foce 2 INT's under pressure. He's already showed that he's matured in that area and we know he can sling it good. With a beaten up OL and no Henry, I say it won't be good for his developement. I'd rather have him in there with starters and have a good chance to suceed. We saw what he can do with camp bodies already. The same thing he did at Vandy. He survived. I want him to do more then that. He's gonna get plenty of experiece this year. I don't see how much more he is going to improve in one half of preseason football. None of the starters even play the last one so really, we are only talking about one half of a preseason game against the Browns. Not worth it in my book. At most a series or two. Forget going 3 quarters.
A family that plays together stays together.
Rock Chalk
08-25-2007, 03:28 PM
Well, I think this pretty much ends this "debate"
On one side you have Zona.
On the other, everyone else.
Cutler plays. :P
RhymesayersDU
08-25-2007, 03:32 PM
Cutler needs to play this game, as well as the Arizona game. I scored 5th row seats off StubHub to the Arizona game, and while I'll be getting nice and bombed either way, seeing the messiah play a series or two would be nice.
Watchthemiddle
08-25-2007, 07:08 PM
Cutler not only needs to play, but he needs to play well. He needs to start spreading the ball around, get in sinc with ALL of the WR's, and help take pressure off the running game by moving the ball and not going 3 and out. Our offense needs to start clicking.
telluride
08-25-2007, 07:57 PM
Cutler should play one half. And the following should not play at all: Henry, Javon, Lepsis, Champ. Just not worth the risk. And if LT can become MVP after not playing a single pre-season minute, our star vets can skip these last two games.
TomServo
08-26-2007, 03:07 AM
i would go for making one or even two preseason games into regular season games. season ticket holders already have to pay for them and in cities like denver, we have good turnout for them.
it isnt like the old days where the players went fishing and got fat during the off season.
we are stuck with 20 games no matter what. so what if every teams first two games are crappy we watch the games anyway dont we? good organizations like the broncos are the ones to take the most advantage.
due to revenue were stuck with 20 games. why not make some of them count?