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HEAV
08-21-2007, 05:13 PM
http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2007/08/eli_to_tiki_youre_one_to_talk.html


ALBANY, N.Y. -- It took more than three years as an NFL quarterback for somebody to finally wake the sleeping Giant.
That someone was retired running back Tiki Barber, who debuted as an analyst for NBC's Sunday Night Football by ripping Eli Manning's ability to lead the team. Today, Manning reached down deep, found a little bit of fire and displayed it for the media for the first time ever.



So here it is, Eli Manning unleaded:

"I guess I'm just happy for Tiki that he's making a smooth transition into the media world. It'll be interesting to see if he has anything else to say (about anything) besides the Giants and what his comments will be on that. It's one of those deals; I'm not going to lose any sleep (over) what Tiki has to say. I guess I could have questioned his leadership skills last year with calling out the coach and having articles about him retiring in the middle of the season and (how) he's lost the heart. As a quarterback, you're reading your running back has lost the heart to play the game and it's about the 10th week. Well, I could see that a little bit at times. But I'm not going to get concerned and I'm going to go out there and play ball.

"It's just one of those deals. The guy goes to the media and he's got to say stuff. He's been put in a situation where he's got to talk. That's just the way it is. That's the world we live in and you have to deal with it."

Giants fans of America and around the world, take a moment to stand up on your office chair and yell at the top of your lungs, "It's about time, baby!" This is the moment you have all been waiting for. Your quarterback does have a little bit of fire in his belly after all.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2007, 05:19 PM
it is about time this superdork got some nuts

A Tiki Barber/Eli Manning with Pauly Shore as the guest referee could be a great show to follow MTV's "The Hills"


it would be a pillow fight of course

Beantown Bronco
08-21-2007, 05:21 PM
He's still not his brother....

Garcia Bronco
08-21-2007, 05:21 PM
Honestly. Unless Manning really starts to perform this year and next and takes the Ginats to the next level, I really don't understand why he should be a start for the Giants anymore. He's already a semi-bust from a 1st overall pick perspective.

Steve Prefontaine
08-21-2007, 05:34 PM
Honestly. Unless Manning really starts to perform this year and next and takes the Ginats to the next level, I really don't understand why he should be a start for the Giants anymore. He's already a semi-bust from a 1st overall pick perspective.
I think Eli f'd himself from day 1 when he forced the Chargers hand. At least in SD he wouldn't be under as much scrutiny. He is never going to live up to expectations as Peyton's brother and also playing in New York.

In reality, I still think he is going to be a pretty good quarterback. I'm no more sold on Phillip Rivers than I am Eli. It's not like he is under-performing to the standards set by Ryan Leaf or Rick Mirer.

bronco militia
08-21-2007, 05:36 PM
meow!

POSTED 3:12 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 3:59 p.m. EDT, August 21, 2007

CAT FIGHT IN NEW YORK

Giants quarterback Eli Manning, previously believed to have the personality of a mop bucket, apparently is changing.

And former teammate Tiki Barber could be the guy who brings it out of him.

During his Sunday night debut on NBC's football coverage, Tiki correctly questioned Eli's leadership skills, explaining that Eli was awkward and uncomfortable while addressing a room full of veterans such as Barber, Michael Strahan, and Jeremy Shockey.

Well, Eli has responded. It's not quite fire-and-brimstone material but, for Eli Milquetoast, it's a start:

"I guess I could have questioned his leadership skills last year with calling out the coach and having articles about him retiring in the middle of the season and [how] he's lost the heart," Manning said, according to Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger. As a quarterback, you're reading your running back has lost the heart to play the game and it's about the 10th week. Well, I could see that a little bit at times."

Rrrrrowwww.

Why do we have a feeling that this one will continue? Oh, yeah -- it's because Tiki doesn't know when to shut the hell up.

Muddled
08-21-2007, 05:41 PM
Sure Tiki had lost his heart when he about as singlehandedly as possible in football carried this team into the playoffs last year.

boltaneer
08-21-2007, 06:13 PM
Elisha has no right speaking about one's heart. When has he ever shown any heart or desire?

Maybe Tiki shouldn't have called out Coughlin but he wasn't the only one. A number of vets on that team did the same. And he wasn't the one who brought up his retirement. If I recall correctly, Ronde was the one that leaked it out and the media went into a frenzy afterwards. He had no choice but to address that issue.

I agree with the poster above: Tiki has carried that team for the last two years. The Giants are in trouble if Elisha cannot see all these things.

peacepipe
08-21-2007, 06:17 PM
This pisses me off the more I think about it. Do you realize SD would've drafted another loser at QB if Eli had not done what he did.

BBB
08-21-2007, 06:20 PM
Honestly. Unless Manning really starts to perform this year and next and takes the Ginats to the next level, I really don't understand why he should be a start for the Giants anymore. He's already a semi-bust from a 1st overall pick perspective.
19 Wins and 48 TD's in two full seasons.

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/nwsltr/sports/fromthe50/stories/082207dnspofromthe50.52c5fda6.html

Beantown Bronco
08-21-2007, 06:25 PM
19 Wins and 48 TD's in two full seasons.

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/nwsltr/sports/fromthe50/stories/082207dnspofromthe50.52c5fda6.html

Dallas news blew this one.....where is Plummer?

Here's a list of the winningest quarterbacks in those last two seasons:


Quarterback Team Starts Wins
Peyton Manning Indianapolis 32 26
Tom Brady New England 32 22
Matt Hasselbeck Seattle 28 20
Drew Brees San Diego/New Orleans 32 19
Eli Manning NY Giants 32 19
Carson Palmer Cincinnati 32 19
Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh 27 18

HEAV
08-21-2007, 06:28 PM
This pisses me off the more I think about it. Do you realize SD would've drafted another loser at QB if Eli had not done what he did.

Ya... Now only if they would have drafted Vick!

DomCasual
08-21-2007, 06:39 PM
He seems to say, "It's just one of those deals" a lot.

boltaneer
08-21-2007, 06:44 PM
Ya... Now only if they would have drafted Vick!

There was an interesting article recently that actually credited Norv for part of the reason they passed on Vick. The writer commented that John Butler liked to endulge his stories a bit but it's interesting nonetheless.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/02/21/sports/scholfield/22007203945.txt

Butler, who died in 2003, orchestrated a trade with Atlanta one day before the 2001 draft that sent the top pick to the Falcons.

Atlanta took quarterback Michael Vick, while the Chargers dropped to the fifth spot and selected the incomparable LaDainian Tomlinson, the 2006 NFL MVP.

The Chargers also received two other draft picks over the next two years plus kick returner Tim Dwight.

During one of my chat sessions with Butler I asked him how in the world he could pass up Vick, a dynamic college quarterback who was billed as a franchise-changing prospect.

"Norv wasn't sold on him," Butler said.

At the time Turner was the offensive coordinator on Mike Riley's staff.

Butler explained that during a workout the week of the draft at Virginia Tech, Turner drew up some plays on the blackboard for Vick. He then took Vick to the practice field to see if he could put what he saw on the blackboard into action. Vick failed miserably.

According to Butler, Turner told him that he didn't believe that Vick was a viable first pick.

400HZ
08-21-2007, 07:41 PM
Not only is he a whiner, he's an untalented whiner with no personality. I don't think AJ ever would have drafted him anyways if he wasn't sure that NY had a hard on for him. I know Marty wanted Rivers.

There is really no comparison between Elisha and Phillip. Do you think Eli would have had the grace to sit on the bench for two years if the starter ahead of him was tearing it up? Hell no. He would have called Daddy and had him engineer another trade or something. You didn't hear a word out of Rivers though. He took it like a man. Then Rivers comes out in his first year - in a tougher division, tougher conference, and with an inexperienced receiver corps - and has a better first season than Eli has managed to string together yet. The Giants can have that pussy. I'm perfectly happy with Phillips Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding, and Roman Oben.

Realistically, Elisha will probably be out of the league after 2009 when his contract expires. Unless he wants to play in Oakland.

Steve Prefontaine
08-21-2007, 08:07 PM
I'm perfectly happy with Phillips Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding, and Roman Oben.

Realistically, Elisha will probably be out of the league after 2009 when his contract expires. Unless he wants to play in Oakland.

I can't argue that SD made out like bandits in the trade, but Eli out of the league in 2009? I'll take 2-1 on that one. He might have a ****ty attitude but he's not nearly as bad as you are portraying.

boltaneer
08-21-2007, 08:18 PM
I'm not sure if he'll be out of the league in 2009 either but I'd say he'll probably be a backup by then.

400HZ
08-21-2007, 08:21 PM
I'm not sure if he'll be out of the league in 2009 either but I'd say he'll probably be a backup by then.

He's not going to accept the significant pay cut. He'll quit. He doesn't even like football, watch him on the sidelines!

Garcia Bronco
08-21-2007, 10:18 PM
Not only is he a whiner, he's an untalented whiner with no personality. I don't think AJ ever would have drafted him anyways if he wasn't sure that NY had a hard on for him. I know Marty wanted Rivers.

There is really no comparison between Elisha and Phillip. Do you think Eli would have had the grace to sit on the bench for two years if the starter ahead of him was tearing it up? Hell no. He would have called Daddy and had him engineer another trade or something. You didn't hear a word out of Rivers though. He took it like a man. Then Rivers comes out in his first year - in a tougher division, tougher conference, and with an inexperienced receiver corps - and has a better first season than Eli has managed to string together yet. The Giants can have that p***Y. I'm perfectly happy with Phillips Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding, and Roman Oben.

Realistically, Elisha will probably be out of the league after 2009 when his contract expires. Unless he wants to play in Oakland.



I went to high school with Roman Oben.

fdf
08-22-2007, 12:35 AM
It's not like he is under-performing to the standards set by Ryan Leaf or Rick Mirer.

But then, neither am I. :)

Archer81
08-22-2007, 12:43 AM
He's not going to accept the significant pay cut. He'll quit. He doesn't even like football, watch him on the sidelines!


I am sure playing football in little league, high school, college and now the pros must mean he hates it. I understand the animosity for Eli, not going to what was then a horrific team, no matter the climate or the league's best RB behind him. Eli is a very good QB, regardless of the bellyaching coming from san diego.

:Broncos:

Los Broncos
08-22-2007, 12:54 AM
Man, NY is a pressure cooker.

I said from day one he wasn't going to be very good or a leader for that matter.

Plus he has his brother to live up to

Rock Chalk
08-22-2007, 01:57 AM
I am sure playing football in little league, high school, college and now the pros must mean he hates it. I understand the animosity for Eli, not going to what was then a horrific team, no matter the climate or the league's best RB behind him. Eli is a very good QB, regardless of the bellyaching coming from san diego.

:Broncos:

Man I hate to agree with Bolt fan but Eli is not a very good QB.

Tiki carried that team, and in large part their defense was the heart and soul two years ago. Eli is a game manager in the mold of Brian Griese. He will never be a "very good" QB. He may be serviceable, but thats all he will ever amount to.

And as much as it pains me, SD made out like complete bandits. They got a better QB and like three other players.

boltaneer
08-22-2007, 02:32 AM
I am sure playing football in little league, high school, college and now the pros must mean he hates it. I understand the animosity for Eli, not going to what was then a horrific team, no matter the climate or the league's best RB behind him. Eli is a very good QB, regardless of the bellyaching coming from san diego.

Elisa is a very good quarterback? When in the world has he ever proven that? He's had some decent moments but more bad moments than good. He's bombed in the second half of the last two seasons. He's bombed in the playoffs. He doesn't have the respect of his teammates. His top two receivers would rather catch rays in Florida than to practice with him. Not only does he have to live in the shadow of Peyton, he has to live up to his decision to snub the nose at the NFL and the draft to play in New York.

Look into his eyes. There is no fire, no determination, no passion.

And it's not just Charger fans who feel this way. Go around and look at various message boards or listen to what fans from different teams say at your local sports bar. Eli gets hate from fans all over for his antics during the draft and for his horrible QB play.

He's gotten everything he's deserved for acting like a snotty little brat since the day he was drafted.

And I love every minute of it! ;D

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2007, 03:04 AM
Does anyone else think that the NY rags blew this way out of proportion?

boltaneer
08-22-2007, 03:08 AM
The NY rags blow everything out of proportion. The media is eating this up because it's a ratings grabber.

But that's something Elisha has to deal with, playing in that market.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2007, 03:17 AM
The NY rags blow everything out of proportion. The media is eating this up because it's a ratings grabber.

But that's something Elisha has to deal with, playing in that market.

Sure, but I guess people see big, bold font and exclamation points and suddenly there's a story.

NEW YORK NEWSPAPER SPINS TRUTH TO SELL PAPERS!

http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/cm/reporter.jpg

Xenos
08-22-2007, 03:24 AM
I went to high school with Roman Oben.

Was he as nice a guy as he is now? Because that man has heart. After having that season ending injury in 2005 against the chiefs, you still see him on the sidelines rooting the team on.

Xenos
08-22-2007, 03:29 AM
http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2007/08/eli_to_tiki_youre_one_to_talk.html


ALBANY, N.Y. -- It took more than three years as an NFL quarterback for somebody to finally wake the sleeping Giant.
That someone was retired running back Tiki Barber, who debuted as an analyst for NBC's Sunday Night Football by ripping Eli Manning's ability to lead the team. Today, Manning reached down deep, found a little bit of fire and displayed it for the media for the first time ever.



So here it is, Eli Manning unleaded:

"I guess I'm just happy for Tiki that he's making a smooth transition into the media world. It'll be interesting to see if he has anything else to say (about anything) besides the Giants and what his comments will be on that. It's one of those deals; I'm not going to lose any sleep (over) what Tiki has to say. I guess I could have questioned his leadership skills last year with calling out the coach and having articles about him retiring in the middle of the season and (how) he's lost the heart. As a quarterback, you're reading your running back has lost the heart to play the game and it's about the 10th week. Well, I could see that a little bit at times. But I'm not going to get concerned and I'm going to go out there and play ball.

"It's just one of those deals. The guy goes to the media and he's got to say stuff. He's been put in a situation where he's got to talk. That's just the way it is. That's the world we live in and you have to deal with it."

Giants fans of America and around the world, take a moment to stand up on your office chair and yell at the top of your lungs, "It's about time, baby!" This is the moment you have all been waiting for. Your quarterback does have a little bit of fire in his belly after all.

Despite being a Charger fan, I really don't hate or even dislike Eli at all. It's just gotten to the point where I feel sorry for the guy. Sure what he said about SD was stupid, but it's because of him that we have our players and the team now. So in a way it was a blessing in disguise. I'm pretty sure that most Chargers fan feel that way about him deep inside. They just like to hold on to the hate because it's fun. It also amuses me from time to time.
What Eli really needs is a quality left tackle, and a better QB coach because his mechanics is all over the place. He doesn't need to be the firey type like Rivers is. They're two completely different QBs and they can both succeed in their own way.

BroncoFiend
08-22-2007, 02:35 PM
Does anyone else think that the NY rags blow everything way out of proportion?

Fixed it for you ;)

GoBroncos DownUnder
03-10-2011, 10:07 PM
Was just reading the "Tiki Unretires" thread ... and noticed a link at the bottom to this GEM of a thread from 2007!
I know hindsight is 20/20, but I think it's WELL worth a "BUMP"! ;)

gyldenlove
03-10-2011, 10:20 PM
Seattle will win the 2013 super bowl, Eli won 4 years after getting traded out of San Diego, Brees won 4 years after getting traded out of San Diego, in 3 years Charlie Whitehurst will be 4 years after getting traded out of San Diego.

gunns
03-10-2011, 10:33 PM
Not only is he a whiner, he's an untalented whiner with no personality. I don't think AJ ever would have drafted him anyways if he wasn't sure that NY had a hard on for him. I know Marty wanted Rivers.

There is really no comparison between Elisha and Phillip. Do you think Eli would have had the grace to sit on the bench for two years if the starter ahead of him was tearing it up? Hell no. He would have called Daddy and had him engineer another trade or something. You didn't hear a word out of Rivers though. He took it like a man. Then Rivers comes out in his first year - in a tougher division, tougher conference, and with an inexperienced receiver corps - and has a better first season than Eli has managed to string together yet. The Giants can have that p***Y. I'm perfectly happy with Phillips Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding, and Roman Oben.

Realistically, Elisha will probably be out of the league after 2009 when his contract expires. Unless he wants to play in Oakland.

LOL Hilarious! Only because it's a San Diego fan

spdirty
03-10-2011, 10:35 PM
Seattle will win the 2013 super bowl, Eli won 4 years after getting traded out of San Diego, Brees won 4 years after getting traded out of San Diego, in 3 years Charlie Whitehurst will be 4 years after getting traded out of San Diego.

You have too much time on your hands.

Miss I.
03-10-2011, 11:29 PM
this thread is full of funny...not that I like Eli either, but um, wow, how very wrong the takes are in hindsight. I think a SB ring and still being the QB for the Giants, Eli might've won the war with Tiki there. funny stuff.

bronco militia
03-11-2011, 08:17 AM
Not only is he a whiner, he's an untalented whiner with no personality. I don't think AJ ever would have drafted him anyways if he wasn't sure that NY had a hard on for him. I know Marty wanted Rivers.

There is really no comparison between Elisha and Phillip. Do you think Eli would have had the grace to sit on the bench for two years if the starter ahead of him was tearing it up? Hell no. He would have called Daddy and had him engineer another trade or something. You didn't hear a word out of Rivers though. He took it like a man. Then Rivers comes out in his first year - in a tougher division, tougher conference, and with an inexperienced receiver corps - and has a better first season than Eli has managed to string together yet. The Giants can have that p***Y. I'm perfectly happy with Phillips Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding, and Roman Oben.

Realistically, Elisha will probably be out of the league after 2009 when his contract expires. Unless he wants to play in Oakland.


awesome thread bump


DOH Ha!

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Tombstone RJ
03-11-2011, 09:04 AM
Not only is he a whiner, he's an untalented whiner with no personality. I don't think AJ ever would have drafted him anyways if he wasn't sure that NY had a hard on for him. I know Marty wanted Rivers.

There is really no comparison between Elisha and Phillip. Do you think Eli would have had the grace to sit on the bench for two years if the starter ahead of him was tearing it up? Hell no. He would have called Daddy and had him engineer another trade or something. You didn't hear a word out of Rivers though. He took it like a man. Then Rivers comes out in his first year - in a tougher division, tougher conference, and with an inexperienced receiver corps - and has a better first season than Eli has managed to string together yet. The Giants can have that p***Y. I'm perfectly happy with Phillips Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding, and Roman Oben.

Realistically, Elisha will probably be out of the league after 2009 when his contract expires. Unless he wants to play in Oakland.

I really wish Eli was a chugger, there's no doubt Rivers is the better QB. That being said, Eli does have a lombardi...

bowtown
03-11-2011, 09:47 AM
I really wish Eli was a chugger, there's no doubt Rivers is the better QB. That being said, Eli does have a lombardi...

I'm just glad they don't still have Brees.

Cito Pelon
03-11-2011, 10:54 AM
G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int%
Career 84 80 46-18-0 1564 2455 63.7 19661 136 5.5 58 2.4
Career 105 103 50-37-0 1932 3332 58.0 22646 156 4.7 113 3.4

Rivers: 19661 yds, 136 TD's, 58 INT's, 5.5 TD%, 2.4 INT%
Eli: 22646 yds, 156 TD's, 113 INT's, 4.7 TD%, 3.4 INT%

Rivers: 80 games started.
Eli: 103 games started.

Rivers: 8.0 Y/A
Eli: 6.8 Y/A

I guess NYG should have kept Rivers since they drafted him.

But, the NYG's have the Lombardi.

SD, despite having a great D for a few years since that 2004 draft, AND Rivers, AND LTII, don't even have an AFC Title to show for it.

It's a crazy world.