LJ agreed to a contract...

[That One Guy]

Just reported it on Sirius, 6 year deal.

[bfoflcommish]

foxsports as well

The Larry Johnson saga is over.

The star running back Johnson has agreed in principle to a new six-year deal with Kansas City, and is expected to rejoin his team on Tuesday, FOXSports.com has learned.

While his teammates were holding two-a-days in River Falls, Wisconin, Johnson spent training camp working out at Athletes Performance Institute in Tempe, Arizona. Financial terms of the deal were not yet available, but it is expected that Johnson will be one of the three highest-paid running backs in the NFL, along with San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson and Seattle's Shaun Alexander.

[broncosteven]

What's Priest gonna do now?

Maybe he went home for lunch or something...

[Florida_Bronco]

I gotta say, that one a poorly done negotation even for a Carl Peterson run team.

[Inkana7]

6 Years Hilarious!

[Hotrod]

I hope they paid him a double gazillion bucks a year.

[SouthStndJunkie]

He got paid.

Now it's time to get lazy.

[400HZ]

Hopefully it has a ridiculously huge signing bonus.

[kmartin575]

I gotta say, that one a poorly done negotation even for a Carl Peterson run team.

I don't think so.

I don't think it is just a coincidence that LJ was signed right after he missed all of training camp and after the first two preseason games.

Hmmm, how convenient that is.

LJ got some rest while he was holding out and he is able to return in time for the last preseason game.

[Kaylore]

I hope they paid him a double gazillion bucks a year.

:yep:


Statistics for Jamal Anderson
| 1994 atl | 4 | 2 -1 -0.5 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1995 atl | 16 | 39 161 4.1 1 | 4 42 10.5 0 |
| 1996 atl | 16 | 232 1055 4.5 5 | 49 473 9.7 1 |
| 1997 atl | 16 | 290 1002 3.5 7 | 29 284 9.8 3 |
| 1998 atl | 16 | 410 1846 4.5 14 | 27 319 11.8 2 |
| 1999 atl | 2 | 19 59 3.1 0 | 2 34 17.0 0 |
| 2000 atl | 16 | 282 1024 3.6 6 | 42 382 9.1 0 |
| 2001 atl | 3 | 55 190 3.5 1 | 3 111 37.0 1 |

[Raider Bill]

KC kicked in a few cases of Similac

[sixtimeseight]

Awesome, 6 more years of salary cap hell and mediocrity for the Chiefs. This news made my day.

[broncosteven]

KC kicked in a few cases of Similac

I love the Plummer sig! LOL

[broncosteven]

Maybe the Cheefs can wrap up Croyle for 10 years and 200 mil

[KCStud]

I gotta say, that one a poorly done negotation even for a Carl Peterson run team.

How is that bad negotiating? LJ is reportedly getting $18 million in gauranteed money when he said he wanted $28 million.

KC did not spend a crap load of money on him. If the report is true, then he will be getting paid $1 million more dollars in gauranteed money.

I like the deal though. RB's break down at about age 32 to 33. LJ is gonna get a lot less carries this year and will help the offense big time.

[KCStud]

Oh and it's a 5 year deal, not 6.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2984649

[Inkana7]

How is that bad negotiating? LJ is reportedly getting $18 million in gauranteed money when he said he wanted $28 million.

KC did not spend a crap load of money on him. If the report is true, then he will be getting paid $1 million more dollars in gauranteed money.

I like the deal though. RB's break down at about age 32 to 33. LJ is gonna get a lot less carries this year and will help the offense big time.

LJ getting less carries is going to help the offense? It took 416 carries just for the Chiefs to have any offense at all.

[Inkana7]

Oh and it's a 5 year deal, not 6.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2984649

5 Year extension. He still had another year left. 6 years.

[KCStud]

LJ getting less carries is going to help the offense? It took 416 carries just for the Chiefs to have any offense at all.

God you Donko homers are so dumb. The only reason why LJ got so many carries last year is because we had 2 RB's. LJ and Bennett. That's it. Bennett got hurt, so all we had was LJ, thus why we drafted a RB in the draft.

Do I need to draw pictures?

And how do you know that KC's O will suck? Ever heard of Tony Gonzalez. Dwayne Bowe is now here as well.

[ScotchTanShan]

So this is a:

a) worst contract negotiation in the history, EVER
b) cap killing deal asured to kill KC
c) giant waste of money
d) A bunch of tarts spouting off when they don't know jack chit!

[Inkana7]

God you Donko homers are so dumb. The only reason why LJ got so many carries last year is because we had 2 RB's. LJ and Bennett. That's it. Bennett got hurt, so all we had was LJ, thus why we drafted a RB in the draft.

Do I need to draw pictures?

And how do you know that KC's O will suck? Ever heard of Tony Gonzalez. Dwayne Bowe is now here as well.

I don't think you understand that Bennett and whoever else KC is going to give 3 carries a game to isn't even close to LJ's leauge. Let me break that down for you: They're not that good.

Who's throwing Gonzalez the ball?

Has Bowe even practiced yet?

[DBroncos4life]

God you Donko homers are so dumb. The only reason why LJ got so many carries last year is because we had 2 RB's. LJ and Bennett. That's it. Bennett got hurt, so all we had was LJ, thus why we drafted a RB in the draft.

Do I need to draw pictures?

And how do you know that KC's O will suck? Ever heard of Tony Gonzalez. Dwayne Bowe is now here as well.

Dwayne Bowe prove anything in the NFL yet? I've got a huge list of WRs drafted in the first round that have done jack.

[KCStud]

I gotta say, that one a poorly done negotation even for a Carl Peterson run team.

Say what you want, but one of Carls strengths is his negotiating. Miami demanded a 6th round pick for Green and Carl narrowed it to a conditional 5th depending on how much Green plays. Green was just announced the starter so that should turn into a 4th round pick pending he starts all yr(which should happen).

Now LJ demands $28 million in gauranteed money and he reportedly got $18 million.

Negotiating is one of Carls few and only positives...

[KCStud]

Dwayne Bowe prove anything in the NFL yet? I've got a huge list of WRs drafted in the first round that have done jack.

Thanks for proving my point. I'm not gloating that KC's offense is gonna be great . My point is to wait and see how the offense does when all the players play together.

[KCStud]

I don't think you understand that Bennett and whoever else KC is going to give 3 carries a game to isn't even close to LJ's leauge. Let me break that down for you: They're not that good.

Who's throwing Gonzalez the ball?

Has Bowe even practiced yet?

Bowe has been practicing for a week. He'll play against NO. And that crappy RB named Bennett TORCHED your defense with limited carries last season.

When has Croyle ever had problems throwing the ball to Gonzo? He is making rookie mistakes like every other young QB does when they are thrown into the fire.
Let's not forget Cutler averaged an INT every game he started last year.

[ScotchTanShan]

I don't think you understand that Bennett and whoever else KC is going to give 3 carries a game to isn't even close to LJ's leauge. Let me break that down for you: They're not that good.

Who's throwing Gonzalez the ball?

Has Bowe even practiced yet?

Well, if we're going off preseason form, then the Donkey's D should be just about as good as KC's O...

[KCStud]

Well, if we're going off preseason form, then the Donkey's D should be just about as good as KC's O...

yep. who's gonna stop any RB from running down their throats? I have a feeling their DB's are gonna have lots of tackles this year which is never good.
Oh and they are crying that teams are playing too hard against them :spit:

[NaptownChief]

Negotiating is one of Carls few and only positives...


Only when he has leverage on someone like when they are under contract or has their draft rights...If he doesn't have leverage and the player is a free agent he tends to get put over the barrel.

[DBroncos4life]

Thanks for proving my point. I'm not gloating that KC's offense is gonna be great . My point is to wait and see how the offense does when all the players play together.

And how do you know that KC's O will suck? Ever heard of Tony Gonzalez. Dwayne Bowe is now here as well.

Thats what you said in this thread. Hmmm if they don't suck then that would mean what?

[KCStud]

Numbers are here. LJ gets a $45 million dollar deal with $19 million in gauranteed.

That sounds fair to me, plus we did not severely overpay him like SD did LT when they gave him #25 million in gauranteed money

[KCStud]

And how do you know that KC's O will suck? Ever heard of Tony Gonzalez. Dwayne Bowe is now here as well.

Thats what you said in this thread. Hmmm if they don't suck then that would mean what?

That they don't suck. That they are what Herm wants the offense to be. Efficient

[bronco militia]

"overpay" is a relitive term these days.

Salary cap? yeah right

i

[Inkana7]

Bowe has been practicing for a week. He'll play against NO. And that crappy RB named Bennett TORCHED your defense with limited carries last season.

When has Croyle ever had problems throwing the ball to Gonzo? He is making rookie mistakes like every other young QB does when they are thrown into the fire.
Let's not forget Cutler averaged an INT every game he started last year.

So Bennett is now as good as LJ? Wow, good for Kansas City. So why was LJ's contract dispute so important then? I mean, if KC has a back just as good as him, why pay LJ?

Cutler also averaged 200 yards and 2 TDs a game, too. I must say, Croyle's interception last week was magnificent. At least there was a red jersey within 5 yards of where he threw the ball this time.

[Man-Goblin]

Not nearly as high as I was hoping for, and it's probably a fair deal considering his resume.

T-Hen is year older and the Broncos gave him a five year deal with I believe $12 million in guarantees. It will be interesting to see how the $7 million in 'guaranteed salaries' are broken down in the LJ contract. Are they roster bonuses or are they actually guaranteed salary? To my knowledge, aren't all salaries in the NFL unguaranteed unless they are a bonus?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Oh and it's a 5 year deal, not 6.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2984649
God you Donko homers are so dumb.
Five years Einstein? How many fingers do you have? And the link you posted says 45 million and 19 million guaranteed not 18.

[bronco militia]

Numbers are here. LJ gets a $45 million dollar deal with $19 million in gauranteed.

That sounds fair to me, plus we did not severely overpay him like SD did LT when they gave him #25 million in gauranteed money

huh...the chargers overpaid the best RB in football?

[Beantown Bronco]

plus we did not severely overpay him like SD did LT when they gave him #25 million in gauranteed money

You can't be serious....to say a team overpaid the best player in football, when many other players in the league have been guaranteed more money than that, is just foolish....then again, this is "you" we are talking about.

[Beantown Bronco]

Say what you want, but one of Carls strengths is his negotiating. Miami demanded a 6th round pick for Green and Carl narrowed it to a conditional 5th depending on how much Green plays. Green was just announced the starter so that should turn into a 4th round pick pending he starts all yr(which should happen)

Bad example. Carl originally wanted a day one pick, but didn't get it.

Now LJ demands $28 million in gauranteed money and he reportedly got $18 million.

Negotiating is one of Carls few and only positives...

Another bad example. Carl originally offered around $10 million in bonuses.

[broncosteven]

Numbers are here. LJ gets a $45 million dollar deal with $19 million in gauranteed.

That sounds fair to me, plus we did not severely overpay him like SD did LT when they gave him #25 million in gauranteed money

Did you momma drop you on your head when you were a baby?

I love how even Nappy is correcting your posts!

[boltaneer]

Numbers are here. LJ gets a $45 million dollar deal with $19 million in gauranteed.

That sounds fair to me, plus we did not severely overpay him like SD did LT when they gave him #25 million in gauranteed money

The Chargers overpaid LT? Really?

It was only $21 mil guaranteed BTW. I think the Chargers got a great deal out of it.

[Tom A Hawk]

"overpay" is a relitive term these days.

Salary cap? yeah right

i

if anyone knows about beating and cheating the salary cap, it is Denver.

[broncosteven]

The Chargers overpaid LT? Really?

It was only $21 mil guaranteed BTW. I think the Chargers got a great deal out of it.


KCdud is riding a wave of endless Nirvanna and it is clouding his ability to google and comprehend facts...that and the fact that he has brain power of a baby squirel....

[theAPAOps5]

But if you even disagree with KCDud his only retort is you guys are Homers or are dumb. He is like a 3 year old really. Quite pathetic.

[bronco militia]

if anyone knows about beating and cheating the salary cap, it is Denver.

poor deflection...

just admit your GM is and always will be a cheap bastard

[broncosteven]

if anyone knows about beating and cheating the salary cap, it is Denver.

If you want to know anything about the spread or Gambling ask Len Dawson.

[theAPAOps5]

The Chargers overpaid LT? Really?

It was only $21 mil guaranteed BTW. I think the Chargers got a great deal out of it.

Bolt this guy is a certified idiot who clearly has no knowledge of football or anything for that matter. Its a waste of time explaining. LT is one of those guys that you pay that money too, even if you had to overpay its worth it.

[broncosteven]

This is the point where KCDud goes back to CheapsPlanet with tail between legs

[Sarcastro]

The Chargers got a bargain, but KC totally overpaid for LJ. They should just signed a CB to an 80 million dollar contract with 30 million guaranteed. Damn it Carl :gus:

[Tom A Hawk]

poor deflection...

just admit your GM is and always will be a cheap bastard

o.k. I admit it.

But, that doesn't change the fact that Denver knows more about cheating the cap than any other team. It isn't a big deal. You yahoo's have no sense of humor.

[sixtimeseight]

if anyone knows about beating and cheating the salary cap, it is Denver.

Please explain to me in detail how Denver cheated the salary cap, with references and links. I'll be waiting...

[Greybeard]

The Chargers got a bargain, but KC totally overpaid for LJ. They should just signed a CB to an 80 million dollar contract with 30 million guaranteed. Damn it Carl :gus:
What LJ should have done is to come to Denver and tell the FO he was a tight end . . .

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[azbroncfan]

In reality a Star RB doesn't really need the preseason games. I would do as SD does and sit them whole preseason and let them use first couple games to get up to game playing shape.

[sixtimeseight]

"Star" RBs tend to average more than 4.2 YPC, something LJ failed to do last year.

[Sarcastro]

"Star" RBs tend to average more than 4.2 YPC, something LJ failed to do last year.

LJ averaged 4.3 ypc last season. Even if your star RB = more then 4.2 ypc was valid, which it is not, you would still be wrong.

He also had extra guys in the box on basically every play last season, and over his four year career he has averaged 4.7 ypc.

[azbroncfan]

"Star" RBs tend to average more than 4.2 YPC, something LJ failed to do last year.

Whether you like him as a person or not LJ is the second best back in the league. You can tell he is a great RB by just watching him. I'm not going to hate on him just because he plays in a sh!t hole such as KC.

[bronco militia]

Whether you like him as a person or not LJ is the second best back in the league. You can tell he is a great RB by just watching him. I'm not going to hate on him just because he plays in a sh!t hole such as KC.


no doubt.....

[Sarcastro]

Hell, lets just expand on sixtimeseight's claim on what constitutes a great RB. LdT, who we all recognize as the best RB in the league, if not the best player, has averaged 4.5 ypc over the course of his career. In 2001 he averaged 3.6 ypc, 3.9 in 2004, and 4.3 in 2005.

Clearly LdT is vastly overrated. Right?

[Florida_Bronco]

Whether you like him as a person or not LJ is the second best back in the league. You can tell he is a great RB by just watching him. I'm not going to hate on him just because he plays in a sh!t hole such as KC.

There are several backs in this league that I feel would have performed better in the same situation.

[azbroncfan]

There are several backs in this league that I feel would have performed better in the same situation.

Who outside of LT? You do realize he plays 6 games a year against top D's in the AFC west right?

[Florida_Bronco]

Who outside of LT? You do realize he plays 6 games a year against top D's in the AFC west right?

Steven Jackson and Willie Parker are the 2 that come to mind quickest.

[azbroncfan]

Steven Jackson and Willie Parker are the 2 that come to mind quickest.

Steven Jackson I can see but Parker? I'm still pissed shanny didn't want Jackson.

[Beantown Bronco]

Steven Jackson and Willie Parker are the 2 that come to mind quickest.

Healthy Shaun Alexander....Tiki Barber....

[Florida_Bronco]

Healthy Shaun Alexander....Tiki Barber....

Those guys too. :thumbsup:

[sixtimeseight]

There are several backs in this league that I feel would have performed better in the same situation.

Exactly.

[bronco militia]

you guys fall all over yourself just to knock down Flava Clown LJ, when he flat out punked our Broncos the last two years...and to add, LJ had his best two games against the Broncos with a piece of crap OL.

Don't count me in the group that is glad he's still in the AFC West. King Carl was supposed to trade his 'sorry' ass to an NFC team.

[Beantown Bronco]

Those guys too. :thumbsup:

Frank Gore....only 100 fewer yards than LJ, but carried over 100 times less. Over a yard more per carry than LJ, behind a weaker oline and similar weak passing game. Very comparable offense to the Chefs actually.

[Beantown Bronco]

with a piece of crap OL.

that's overstating things quite a bit.

[sixtimeseight]

Hell, Portis would probably have had 2000 yards with the same number of carries.

[kmartin575]

Numbers are here. LJ gets a $45 million dollar deal with $19 million in gauranteed.

That sounds fair to me, plus we did not severely overpay him like SD did LT when they gave him #25 million in gauranteed money

Plus, about $27 million of that $45 million comes in the first 3 years. If he breaks down after 3 years then we barely have any cap hit left and we cut him with minimal charge to the cap.

Trent Green was making $9 million a year so LJ is simply taking up the cap room that Green was taking up before we traded him. Not a big cap hit at all.

[kmartin575]

Frank Gore....only 100 fewer yards than LJ, but carried over 100 times less. Over a yard more per carry than LJ, behind a weaker oline and similar weak passing game. Very comparable offense to the Chefs actually.

And look at his weak competition he faced. Seattle, Arizona, and St. Louis all had pretty ****ty defenses last year. It's not hard to rack up yards when you have 6 games against those defenses.

[kmartin575]

"Star" RBs tend to average more than 4.2 YPC, something LJ failed to do last year.

And LT averaged 3.9 ypc in 2004 so I guess he isn't a star runningback, is he?

[azbroncfan]

Frank Gore....only 100 fewer yards than LJ, but carried over 100 times less. Over a yard more per carry than LJ, behind a weaker oline and similar weak passing game. Very comparable offense to the Chefs actually.

Did you look at the run D's that the 9ers faced vs KC. AFC west vs NFC west right there will knock down your average almost a yard.

[kmartin575]

I appreciate the Broncos fans who respect the player LJ is. Of course you don't have to like a division rivals players but at least you respect him as the great runningback is.

Heck, I have enough respect for Travis Henry and the Denver run game that I used my 2nd round pick on Travis Henry in my fantasy draft. My starting runningbacks are Larry Johnson and Travis Henry. I am expecting a championship with those two.

[Beantown Bronco]

Did you look at the run D's that the 9ers faced vs KC. AFC west vs NFC west right there will knock down your average almost a yard.

Nope....contrary to popular belief, the AFC West was not that much tougher statistically than the NFC West....SD was ranked 7th, Denver was 12th, KC was 18th, and Oakland was 25th against the run....pretty average if you ask me.

Gore had some pretty strong games against tough competition. 111 yards against Chicago - the 6th ranked defense against the run. He also lit up Denver for 153 yards and St. Louis (ranked ahead of Denver) for 134 yards and 127 yards....130 yards against 13th ranked Green Bay....I could go on. The guy performed well against good defenses.

[sixtimeseight]

And LT averaged 3.9 ypc in 2004 so I guess he isn't a star runningback, is he?

and how many receptions did he have? and how many all purpose yards? has LJ ever come close?

[ZachKC]

I just kept listening to how LJ wasn't going to do good without Roaf and yada yada yada last year...

Are we moving the FG posts again?

All you guys can do to is "hope" he gets hurt. That says a lot.

[ZachKC]

And LT averaged 3.9 ypc in 2004 so I guess he isn't a star runningback, is he?

ROFL!

[redrage]

I know once you make a stand on a claim it's sometimes hard to come off it even in the face of a barrage of opinions, but I really can't believe some of the things being written here.

On the one hand, KC's O-line, QB and WR's suck enough that they'll be lucky to gain any yards, yet when LJ goes out and puts up1700+ yards and carries them into the playoffs, that garners no respect whatsoever? Baffling.

You honestly think Tiki, Gore or Willie freakin' Parker would have done the same thing? Honestly?

Only three backs in the HISTORY of the NFL went for 1700+ yards in back-to-back seasons. Eric Dickerson, Terrell Davis and LJ.

You may not like him, but you gotta give the man his due.

[theAPAOps5]

I appreciate the Broncos fans who respect the player LJ is. Of course you don't have to like a division rivals players but at least you respect him as the great runningback is.

Heck, I have enough respect for Travis Henry and the Denver run game that I used my 2nd round pick on Travis Henry in my fantasy draft. My starting runningbacks are Larry Johnson and Travis Henry. I am expecting a championship with those two.

I respect LT as do most here. Most here also recognize LJ as a great runner. But the way he runs his mouth makes me have little respect for him. I also find myself routing for the quiet guys who speak with numbers and scores. I hate it when we have guys showboat. But thats just me. So I recognize LJ is and will be a great back but I don't respect him.

[Sarcastro]

Nope....contrary to popular belief, the AFC West was not that much tougher statistically than the NFC West....SD was ranked 7th, Denver was 12th, KC was 18th, and Oakland was 25th against the run....pretty average if you ask me.

Gore had some pretty strong games against tough competition. 111 yards against Chicago - the 6th ranked defense against the run. He also lit up Denver for 153 yards and St. Louis (ranked ahead of Denver) for 134 yards and 127 yards....130 yards against 13th ranked Green Bay....I could go on. The guy performed well against good defenses.

Last season St. Louis was 31st against the run, Seattle: 22nd, and Arizona: 16th.

Anyways, if you are talking about stacking up against good rushing defenses, here is how LJ did last season:

Baltimore - #2 ranked rush defense: LJ had 23 carries for 120 yards
Pittsburgh - #3 ranked rush defense: LJ had 15 carries for 26 yards
Jacksonville - #4 ranked rush defense: LJ had 33 carries for 138 yards
San Diego - #7 ranked rush defense: LJ had 47 carries for 216 yards
Miami - #8 ranked rush defense: LJ had 18 carries for 75 yards
Denver - #12 ranked rush defense: LJ had 61 carries for 283 yards

[Sarcastro]

I respect LT as do most here. Most here also recognize LJ as a great runner. But the way he runs his mouth makes me have little respect for him. I also find myself routing for the quiet guys who speak with numbers and scores. I hate it when we have guys showboat. But thats just me. So I recognize LJ is and will be a great back but I don't respect him.

Post some evidence of LJ running his mouth. He has made about three controversial comments since he entered the NFL.

[redrage]

I respect LT as do most here. Most here also recognize LJ as a great runner. But the way he runs his mouth makes me have little respect for him. I also find myself routing for the quiet guys who speak with numbers and scores. I hate it when we have guys showboat. But thats just me. So I recognize LJ is and will be a great back but I don't respect him.

Fair enough. I use to feel that way about him too, until I sat down and really listened to what he said. Most of the time he's just telling the truth. I've never heard him bad mouth a teammate (or if he has, I can't remember) or call out opponents. He's been critical of the coaching staff and managment from time to time, but I think he's been pretty dead on most of the time. His personality is a little grating, but not everyone is charismatic.

There are a lot of things for which Bronco fans could rag on the Chiefs. LJ ain't one of them IMO.

[ZachKC]

I respect LT as do most here. Most here also recognize LJ as a great runner. But the way he runs his mouth makes me have little respect for him. I also find myself routing for the quiet guys who speak with numbers and scores. I hate it when we have guys showboat. But thats just me. So I recognize LJ is and will be a great back but I don't respect him.

Does he run his mouth?

I am not really saying you are wrong I just never really has that in my head about him.

[ZachKC]

Fair enough. I use to feel that way about him too, until I sat down and really listened to what he said. Most of the time he's just telling the truth. I've never heard him bad mouth a teammate (or if he has, I can't remember) or call out opponents. He's been critical of the coaching staff and managment from time to time, but I think he's been pretty dead on most of the time. His personality is a little grating, but not everyone is charismatic.

There are a lot of things for which Bronco fans could rag on the Chiefs. LJ ain't one of them IMO.

He has a lot of growing to do...there is a lot of immaturity there. But the LJ of last season was a lot better than the LJ the previous season. His off the field growth has been obvious...even if its not quite where some would like it.

[theAPAOps5]

Post some evidence of LJ running his mouth. He has made about three controversial comments since he entered the NFL.

3 more than he should have. But if you want I will post evidence.

Here you go:

I wouldn't pay attention," Johnson said of playing under Vermeil. "My eyes, I would be up in the sky. You know, I would be sleeping in my locker. I wouldn't carry my playbook because I was just trying to get away from this building, you know, when Dick was here."

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Carter asked LJ, "Do you think Herm Edwards, being an African-American and you being raised, of course, by an African-American, that you see a lot of similarities in Herm that you saw in your dad that made you open up to him?"

LJ's response: "I think so. I could relate to Herman. I couldn't do that with the other coaches I had because they had not done it. You know, they haven't put those pads or they haven't been in the situation as a young black athlete and know what we had to go through.

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So whats your point I posted evidence on why I don't respect him. Thats my opinion and there really isn't a need for evidence. But when asked I produce unlike certain other KC fans.

[theAPAOps5]

I should also point out that he isn't a trash talker by any means. I just lost respect when he threw Vermeil under the bus like that. We are talking about a coach who cried every day for his players, literally. I just thought it was week what he said and I lost my respect for him.

[ZachKC]

I should also point out that he isn't a trash talker by any means. I just lost respect when he threw Vermeil under the bus like that. We are talking about a coach who cried every day for his players, literally. I just thought it was week what he said and I lost my respect for him.

I don't agree with his comments and I think it is a sign of immaturity what he said...but if you want to talk about throwing someone under the bus seems it was the other way around in this case.

[theAPAOps5]

I don't agree with his comments and I think it is a sign of immaturity what he said...but if you want to talk about throwing someone under the bus seems it was the other way around in this case.

I can see your point he was and still is very much a kid. That and he has never had to live without during his life so he might have a little silver spoon attitude. I guess I just didn't like that. I wouldn't like it even if it was a Bronco saying it.

I am always to critical though so I could be over board here.

[Beantown Bronco]

Last season St. Louis was 31st against the run, Seattle: 22nd, and Arizona: 16th.

Anyways, if you are talking about stacking up against good rushing defenses, here is how LJ did last season:

Baltimore - #2 ranked rush defense: LJ had 23 carries for 120 yards
Pittsburgh - #3 ranked rush defense: LJ had 15 carries for 26 yards
Jacksonville - #4 ranked rush defense: LJ had 33 carries for 138 yards
San Diego - #7 ranked rush defense: LJ had 47 carries for 216 yards
Miami - #8 ranked rush defense: LJ had 18 carries for 75 yards
Denver - #12 ranked rush defense: LJ had 61 carries for 283 yards

Some good...some not so good....

Either way, there are a few other tier 1-A RBs out there that I believe would be fairly interchangeable (LT being the only tier 1 RB): Shaun Alexander and Tiki Barber. Put Shaun or Tiki behind the KC line last year and I believe they perform similarly.

This is not a knock on LJ. I want to be clear that I believe he's a top 5 running back. I just don't agree with those who believe he is the clear #2 running back like LT is the clear #1 RB. I think he has some competition there.

[ZachKC]

I can see your point he was and still is very much a kid. That and he has never had to live without during his life so he might have a little silver spoon attitude. I guess I just didn't like that. I wouldn't like it even if it was a Bronco saying it.

I am always to critical though so I could be over board here.

I think your post is very valid. And its an issue with Chiefs fans...the guy has a lot of growing to do...but he has been showing that he has come a ways. Hopefully that continues.

[theAPAOps5]

I think your post is very valid. And its an issue with Chiefs fans...the guy has a lot of growing to do...but he has been showing that he has come a ways. Hopefully that continues.

You know Shannon Sharpe was kind of a punk when Shanny first got here. Sharpe was not very good in the practice department and Shanny had a talk with him. He turned out pretty well. LJ could be the same way.

No matter what he is a great RB there is no denying that.

[ZachKC]

You know Shannon Sharpe was kind of a punk when Shanny first got here. Sharpe was not very good in the practice department and Shanny had a talk with him. He turned out pretty well. LJ could be the same way.

No matter what he is a great RB there is no denying that.

Thats one of the cool things about LJ though. On the field, when it comes to football? Model citizen. Does all the reps...always goes hard...keeps his body in amazing form. Hell, just now I am reading about how he immediately jumped into the team practice and started getting after it after signing on the line that is dotted.

[theAPAOps5]

I am beginning to think that San Diego has something with holding LT out of all the preseason games. It keeps him more fresh. I actually think LJ might have a monster year missing all the two-a-days and games. But he also missed that practice so we will see.

[Beantown Bronco]

Thats one of the cool things about LJ though. On the field, when it comes to football? Model citizen. Does all the reps...always goes hard...keeps his body in amazing form. Hell, just now I am reading about how he immediately jumped into the team practice and started getting after it after signing on the line that is dotted.

Great....now I can't get the picture of Zach sucking off LJ out of my mind's eye....you just know that he's in his bedroom right now sucking off the life-size inflatable LJ doll he keeps around for times like this.

[KCStud]

I should also point out that he isn't a trash talker by any means. I just lost respect when he threw Vermeil under the bus like that. We are talking about a coach who cried every day for his players, literally. I just thought it was week what he said and I lost my respect for him.

Um Vermeil threw HIM under the bus. You don't embarass your players in public. DV never respected or even liked LJ. He didn't want him on this team.

Get the facts right next time

[boltaneer]

Um Vermeil threw HIM under the bus. You don't embarass your players in public. DV never respected or even liked LJ. He didn't want him on this team.

Get the facts right next time

DV loves his players like they were his own kids. There must have been a reason there was animosity between him and LJ. (Perhaps because DV was white? Who knows?)

For him to call out LJ like that, he must have had a real legitimate reason to do so. You never see DV act that way.

But in the end it worked, didn't it? It pissed LJ off and it motivated him for the most part to stop sulking and do what was asked of him.

[theAPAOps5]

Um Vermeil threw HIM under the bus. You don't embarass your players in public. DV never respected or even liked LJ. He didn't want him on this team.

Get the facts right next time

Back your facts up before you tell someone else how to post, got that KCDud.

[Sarcastro]

DV loves his players like they were his own kids. There must have been a reason there was animosity between him and LJ. (Perhaps because DV was white? Who knows?)

For him to call out LJ like that, he must have had a real legitimate reason to do so. You never see DV act that way.

But in the end it worked, didn't it? It pissed LJ off and it motivated him for the most part to stop sulking and do what was asked of him.

DV didn't want to draft LJ, but King Carl forced him to. Their relationship went completely downhill after that.

[ohiobronco2]

God you Donko homers are so dumb. The only reason why LJ got so many carries last year is because we had 2 RB's. LJ and Bennett. That's it. Bennett got hurt, so all we had was LJ, thus why we drafted a RB in the draft.

Do I need to draw pictures?

And how do you know that KC's O will suck? Ever heard of Tony Gonzalez. Dwayne Bowe is now here as well.

You're the Dumb***. Your team is the one who acquire Michael "Mr. Glass" Bennett to begin with. Gonzalez is great, LJ is dam* good, but to state Bowe is going to be excellent before a single regular season game is ridiculous. Keep drinking the Kool Aid.

[theAPAOps5]

DV didn't want to draft LJ, but King Carl forced him to. Their relationship went completely downhill after that.

People knock Shanny for having both roles, and lord has he made some bone head decisions, but it also reduces cases where the GM drafts a guy the coach didn't want.

[ohiobronco2]

if anyone knows about beating and cheating the salary cap, it is Denver.


Good Call. We all know what you are an expert at beating.

[ohiobronco2]

The Chargers overpaid LT? Really?

It was only $21 mil guaranteed BTW. I think the Chargers got a great deal out of it.


Got to give LT his props. He's one he**uva back. Deserves every penny by todays NFL standards.

[ohiobronco2]

And look at his weak competition he faced. Seattle, Arizona, and St. Louis all had pretty ****ty defenses last year. It's not hard to rack up yards when you have 6 games against those defenses.


QFT. As dirty as I now feel.

[Beantown Bronco]

QFT. As dirty as I now feel.

Quoted for truth?

6 games against the 16th, 22nd and 31st ranked run defenses.

LT had 6 games against the 12th, 18th and 25th ranked run defenses, yet we say that the AFC West is a powerhouse against the run.

That's not really a whole lot of difference in yards given up if you look at the actual numbers.

[TiZZaH]

KC still sucks. Welcome to the basement Stud. Even the Faiders will have a better record than you this year

[Bronx33]

Just reported it on Sirius, 6 year deal.


Stupid peterson, question is will LJs knees even last 2 years ROFL!

[Bronx33]

How is that bad negotiating? LJ is reportedly getting $18 million in gauranteed money when he said he wanted $28 million.

KC did not spend a crap load of money on him. If the report is true, then he will be getting paid $1 million more dollars in gauranteed money.

I like the deal though. RB's break down at about age 32 to 33. LJ is gonna get a lot less carries this year and will help the offense big time.


If this is the case then your team will have no offense (book it) you will be lucky to get two good years outa him so 18 mil for two years is a hella of a good deal for glass vagina boy.

[Broncos24]

God you Donko homers are so dumb. The only reason why LJ got so many carries last year is because we had 2 RB's. LJ and Bennett. That's it. Bennett got hurt, so all we had was LJ, thus why we drafted a RB in the draft.

Do I need to draw pictures?

And how do you know that KC's O will suck? Ever heard of Tony Gonzalez. Dwayne Bowe is now here as well.


And you are the dumbest chefs fan period

[Rock Chalk]

The Chargers overpaid LT? Really?

It was only $21 mil guaranteed BTW. I think the Chargers got a great deal out of it.

Im gonna go ahead and agree with Bolt fan on this. LT for 21 million is a downright steal compared to 18 million for LJ who isnt a third of the RB LT is.

[lazarus4444]

Good for LJ, he needs to get his money like everybody else. It will continue to be a good challenge to play against him twice a year.

[crazyhorse]

Please explain to me in detail how Denver cheated the salary cap, with references and links. I'll be waiting...

I'll simply reference the 2 million in fines from the league and the penatly of losing 2 3rd round draft picks.

You can find the links for yourself. As your the only one here who doesn't know Denver cheated the cap.

You're a "new" Donk fan, huh?

[KCStud]

If this is the case then your team will have no offense (book it) you will be lucky to get two good years outa him so 18 mil for two years is a hella of a good deal for glass vagina boy.

Hey can you tell me what the lotto numbers are? I wanna win and since you have a crystal ball and everything...

[sixtimeseight]

I'll simply reference the 2 million in fines from the league and the penatly of losing 2 3rd round draft picks.

You can find the links for yourself. As your the only one here who doesn't know Denver cheated the cap.

You're a "new" Donk fan, huh?



Didn't think so.


Wow, is that three? You just can't resist coming back for more, can you?

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