Will Michael Vick Ever Play NFL Football Again?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Thinking about this, how could any team ever sign this guy after what he has pleaded guilty to?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Early results on ESPN...


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[NaptownChief]

Ron Mexico is a far more tarnished Roy Tarpley without the production.

[ND Bronco Fan]

You have a simple yes/no............I hope/wish he never plays again, but do I think he will, yeah......some where some day.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Isnt he also facing up to 5 years for each dog killed in VA? ....8 dogs..up to 40 years on top of the federal time.

Lets say the VA judge goes easy on him and gives him 6mos for each count...thats still 2 more years on top of the 9-12 months expected from the federal Indictment.

And the NFL is probably going to put a 1yr ban on him effective when he is released from prison.

Now looking at potential 4-5 years away from the NFL at minimum. I seriously doubt a comeback would be possible.


* note this opinion/comment was actually from local sports radio guys I listened to at lunch today, I just happen to agree with them

[NaptownChief]

And it isn't like we are talking about somebody gambling on a Walter Payton/Jim Brown/John Elway type of talent...We are talking about a guy who wasn't anything more than a very average NFL QB at best that happened to be a media hype machine. Teams might be willing to take the PR hammer for greatness but they aren't going to take it for a loser with one career playoff win.

[NYBronco]

What a waste. The guy had the good life and all he had to do was teach his dogs to fetch, lay down and roll over. Unbelievable...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Isnt he also facing up to 5 years for each dog killed in VA? ....8 dogs..up to 40 years on top of the federal time.
Lets say the VA judge goes easy on him and gives him 6mos for each count...thats still 2 more years on top of the 9-12 months expected from the federal Indictment.
And the NFL is probably going to put a 1yr ban on him effective when he is released from prison.
Now looking at potential 4-5 years away from the NFL at minimum. I seriously doubt a comeback would be possible.
* note this opinion/comment was actually from local sports radio guys I listened to at lunch today, I just happen to agree with themI think almost all other sentences are made concurrent when there is a federal sentence and sometimes state and or local charges are dropped.

[Northman]

I dont think so but sometimes the NFL is desperate. But with that said even if he does there will be a lot of protesting wherever he ends up. His reputation is done and i highly doubt he can repair it.

[Kaylore]

I think almost all other sentences are made concurrent when there is a federal sentence and sometimes state and or local charges are dropped.

Yes, once they take over the investigation the charges are being pressed by feds and local level prosecution stops. I think he can still be charged in a civil court, though I don't know who would.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I dont think so but sometimes the NFL is desperate. But with that said even if he does there will be a lot of protesting wherever he ends up. His reputation is done and i highly doubt he can repair it.That's what I'm thinking. Can you imagine all the negative press and attention that any team will be surrounded with that signed him in the future?

[Northman]

That's what I'm thinking. Can you imagine all the negative press and attention that any team will be surrounded with that signed him in the future?


It would be a nightmare but if Weird Al Yankdavis is still alive when he gets out he may sign him. ROFL!

[RkyMtnThunder]

I think almost all other sentences are made concurrent when there is a federal sentence and sometimes state and or local charges are dropped.

Thanks for clarifying...

someone needs to call 'Mark and Ash' at 620 KTAR in Phx and give em the scoop.



Well, this NFL career is over - but maybe he can come back for a pro wrestling gig, tag team w/ PacMan

[elsid13]

I going to say yes, but not as QB. Mostly likely he will end up in AFL or CFL for a couple years and come back and attempt to play WR/RB

[Rock Chalk]

I think almost all other sentences are made concurrent when there is a federal sentence and sometimes state and or local charges are dropped.

No, well not always.

States can and will prosecute separate from federal prosecution and in most cases do not run concurrent to federal sentencing since the state receives no money from such a deal. If Virginia wants to prosecute for the separate characters of animal cruelty, they may do so and when Vick is released from federal prison (assuming he is found guilty in the state's case) he will then be transferred to a much worse state run prison. Generally speaking though, the only time concurrent sentences are handed out is the other way. If the state prosecutes first and the feds get him second. At least this is my understanding of state vs federal crimes.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No, well not always.

States can and will prosecute separate from federal prosecution and in most cases do not run concurrent to federal sentencing since the state receives no money from such a deal. If Virginia wants to prosecute for the separate characters of animal cruelty, they may do so and when Vick is released from federal prison (assuming he is found guilty in the state's case) he will then be transferred to a much worse state run prison. Generally speaking though, the only time concurrent sentences are handed out is the other way. If the state prosecutes first and the feds get him second. At least this is my understanding of state vs federal crimes.Well, I'm not sure about how it usually works but in this case you have a state prosecutor who didn't seem very interested in going after him to begin with so we'll see I guess.

[Turf Shaman]

The comparison to Leonard Little has been made often when talking about Vick. It's worth discussing. The difference is, Vick was involved in a organized criminal ring, while Little made a irresponsible decision which had heavy consequences. Still, in Little's case the end result was the loss of a human life, while in Vick's case it was dogs. Not to make light of what Vick did and how terrible dog fighting is, but Little is still in the league and no one ever talks about him. You can't really argue that Little made an isolated mistake because he was arrested later for drunk driving again. And he's done nothing publicly to show he's remorseful or has changed his ways. If he can stay in the league, I suppose Vick should be able to. But I think they should both be out for good if things were right.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I see him doing 2 years then have to serve a one year NFL suspension then some desperate team will pick him up.

[BroncoBuff]

I'll betcha he's cleared to play in 2009. Whether any team signs him or not is another story.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Is anyone watching this on ESPN? 2002 interview, name 3 things people don't know about Michael Vick.

#2) "I love animals"

[Northman]

The comparison to Leonard Little has been made often when talking about Vick. It's worth discussing. The difference is, Vick was involved in a organized criminal ring, while Little made a irresponsible decision which had heavy consequences. Still, in Little's case the end result was the loss of a human life, while in Vick's case it was dogs. Not to make light of what Vick did and how terrible dog fighting is, but Little is still in the league and no one ever talks about him. You can't really argue that Little made an isolated mistake because he was arrested later for drunk driving again. And he's done nothing publicly to show he's remorseful or has changed his ways. If he can stay in the league, I suppose Vick should be able to. But I think they should both be out for good if things were right.


Although i agree with your point the difference is " being drunk " or " under the influence " for some reason is looked at differently than premeditated murder. I dont know why but it just is. Either way, Little's and Ray Ray's transgressions were done before this new policy was put into place and enforced. And that is something that people seem to be forgetting. Anything in the past is just that. The Past. Since the new commissoner has come in the rules have become stiffer.

[Northman]

Is anyone watching this on ESPN? 2002 interview, name 3 things people don't know about Michael Vick.

#2) "I love animals"


Yea, i saw that. I tried not to laugh out loud.

[Jason in LA]

Probably not. The only team that could possibly take him without having a PR nightmare is the Falcons, because a lot of their fan base would welcome him back. But Arthur Blank seems like he's done with Vick.

[Jason in LA]

The comparison to Leonard Little has been made often when talking about Vick. It's worth discussing. The difference is, Vick was involved in a organized criminal ring, while Little made a irresponsible decision which had heavy consequences. Still, in Little's case the end result was the loss of a human life, while in Vick's case it was dogs. Not to make light of what Vick did and how terrible dog fighting is, but Little is still in the league and no one ever talks about him. You can't really argue that Little made an isolated mistake because he was arrested later for drunk driving again. And he's done nothing publicly to show he's remorseful or has changed his ways. If he can stay in the league, I suppose Vick should be able to. But I think they should both be out for good if things were right.

Little shouldn't be playing in the NFL.

[Jason in LA]

Isnt he also facing up to 5 years for each dog killed in VA? ....8 dogs..up to 40 years on top of the federal time.

Lets say the VA judge goes easy on him and gives him 6mos for each count...thats still 2 more years on top of the 9-12 months expected from the federal Indictment.

And the NFL is probably going to put a 1yr ban on him effective when he is released from prison.

Now looking at potential 4-5 years away from the NFL at minimum. I seriously doubt a comeback would be possible.


* note this opinion/comment was actually from local sports radio guys I listened to at lunch today, I just happen to agree with them

From my understanding they could have, and possibly would have hit him with those type of counts if he hadn't taken the plea agreement.

[wyobronco]

Al Davis is already dreaming about vick

[Los Broncos]

I voted no

But theres a chance he could come in and be a KR.

[BroncoBuff]

I'm surprised so many people are saying "NO."

I'd actually be willing to wager he will play sometime, somewhere in the future.

[Los Broncos]

I'm surprised so many people are saying "NO."

I'd actually be willing to wager he will play sometime, somewhere in the future.

As a QB?

[BroncoBuff]

I dunno ... but he can't do anything else, and he'll still be fairly young in the 2009 season. Some team will say "he's paid his debt to society, and to the league, he deserves a second chance." Raiders are a good bet ...

[Los Broncos]

I dunno ... but he can't do anything else, and he'll still be fairly young in the 2009 season. Some team will say "he's paid his debt to society, and to the league, he deserves a second chance." Raiders are a good bet ...

I cant see him being a QB

QB's are usually the face of the team, i don't think any owner would want him in that position.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think his skills will erode to the point that he won't be remotely the same player. Thus, teams won't be interested him. The mental endurance he will need to maintain his skills in that environment will not be there. He's already proven that.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Like I said I bet he will be back but if he cant get a qb job he will be a returner. I dont like the guy and have aways thought he sucks as a qb but he is very agile and has great speed. Someone will go down the everyone makes mistakes path and let him on. A coach on the hotseat will do anything he can to get another year.

[TexanBob]

I see him doing 2 years then have to serve a one year NFL suspension then some desperate team will pick him up.

That would me by guess too. If the question is "will Vick *ever* play in the NFL again?", I feel the answer is yes. He is too unique a talent to think that all NFL owners will pass on him when they need a new quarterback.

[Lev Vyvanse]

I voted no

But theres a chance he could come in and be a KR.

No one would ever take on a PR nightmare like that for a return specialist.

[rovolution]

if he does ever come back, he will probably used as a Gadget Player, ie. Antwan Randell El.

[Wes Mantooth]

My favorite joke applies here:

You know what you get when Michael Vick steps into a pile of crap?

A bigger pile of crap.

[Orange_Beard]

Which Vick Brother would you rather have at QB?

If this guy can come back it would have to be with the Faiders.

[Hogan11]

I can see him playing in the CFL after this is all said and done.

Personally, I hope to never see him on the field again...no big loss as he was wayyy overrated anyways.

[Bronco Yoda]

Al Doofus would snatch him up only to thumb his nose at the league and to exploit the controversy.

They'll market him with street cred. Just think of the endless possibilities for Halloween costumes filling up the oakland seats.

2010 Vick will be with the raiders as a WR gimic.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

From my understanding they could have, and possibly would have hit him with those type of counts if he hadn't taken the plea agreement.Those charges are still pending. The only reason they wouldn't happen is because the prosecutor there seems to be a Vick fan.

[Old Dude]

I think his skills will erode to the point that he won't be remotely the same player. Thus, teams won't be interested him. The mental endurance he will need to maintain his skills in that environment will not be there. He's already proven that.

I agree. He'll be out of the league for at least two years, and the skills and mental focus will quickly erode. Not sure about his athleticism. He wouldn't be all that old at 30, but players seem to have a hard time maintaining their physical edge once they are away from the game for awhile.

I doubt the commisioner would let him back in at that point anyway. Even if he avoids a lifetime ban, it's hard to imagine that he'd be allowed back in within the next four years. More likely, as mentioned above, he'd eventually wind up in the CFL, the Arena League or some weird sideshow.

[Garcia Bronco]

I agree. He'll be out of the league for at least two years, and the skills and mental focus will quickly erode. Not sure about his athleticism. He wouldn't be all that old at 30, but players seem to have a hard time maintaining their physical edge once they are away from the game for awhile.

I doubt the commisioner would let him back in at that point anyway. Even if he avoids a lifetime ban, it's hard to imagine that he'd be allowed back in within the next four years. More likely, as mentioned above, he'd eventually wind up in the CFL, the Arena League or some weird sideshow.

If I were the Commish, I wouldn't even make a decision until after he's served his time. Why make a decision you might not have to make.....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If I were the Commish, I wouldn't even make a decision until after he's served his time. Why make a decision you might not have to make.....What kind of twisted logic is that? Sentencing won't be for months more than likely and he needs to absolve the Falcons of all responsibility to this idiot.

[Garcia Bronco]

What kind of twisted logic is that? Sentencing won't be for months more than likely and he needs to absolve the Falcons of all responsibility to this idiot.

He's already on leave. If the Falcons decide they want to cut him, they can do so. He's not going to play this year. Let it ride out and see what happens. IMO, if he goes to jail for two years there is no reason for him to be suspended. It's anti-constitution from a double jeapardy perspective.

[Crushaholic]

He defined the role of dual quarterback in the NFL, but his lack of success coupled with a PR nightmare will keep him out of the NFL. I can see him going to a league that needs any kind of publicity, such as the Arena Football League. The NFL doesn't need him, as dual quarterbacks are becoming more of a commonplace in college.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He's already on leave. If the Falcons decide they want to cut him, they can do so. He's not going to play this year. Let it ride out and see what happens. IMO, if he goes to jail for two years there is no reason for him to be suspended. It's anti-constitution from a double jeapardy perspective.You don't get it. The Falcons aren't going to cut him until the league dumps him so they are indebted to this idiot any longer. Then the Falcons will be able to recover millions back from this "superstar".

[Garcia Bronco]

You don't get it. The Falcons aren't going to cut him until the league dumps him so they are indebted to this idiot any longer. Then the Falcons will be able to recover millions back from this "superstar".

It wouldn't change the situation form a money perspective. They can already go after the money. I would think if the Commish let him go they would have a harder time getting the money back.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It wouldn't change the situation form a money perspective. They can already go after the money. I would think if the Commish let him go they would have a harder time getting the money back.No, he's going to be suspended for violating league policy which will entitle the Falcons to go after their money. Don't you watch the news?

[Old Dude]

I don't have a link, but I think I read this morning that the Commish told the Falcons to hold up on any particular action until he reviewed the situation. If he said that, then that would indicate that he does plan on imposing some sort of suspension - - and that might have some major impact on Vick's financial status w/ the Falcons.

[crowebomber]

Second chances are the American way. He'll be in prison for a while, so once he gets out there will be teams who feel he paid his debt to society and will put up with the backlash. And I don't think it will be as big of a backlash as people are predicting right now. Time will temper most of the emotions and in a couple years he'll land somewhere.

[Garcia Bronco]

No, he's going to be suspended for violating league policy which will entitle the Falcons to go after their money. Don't you watch the news?

He's already violated that policy, they are already entitled.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He's already violated that policy, they are already entitled.
LOL

Says who, you? Are you actually this slow or just trolling again?

Once Goodell suspends him for violating the league personal conduct policy the Falcons THEN will be able to go after their money, cut him with no responsibility and wash their hands of this stupid human once and for all.

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL

Says who, you? Are you actually this slow or just trolling again?

Once Goodell suspends him for violating the league personal conduct policy the Falcons THEN will be able to go after their money, cut him with no responsibility and wash their hands of this stupid human once and for all.

He's already violated his contract's conduct code. You know that.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He's already violated his contract's conduct code. You know that.No, I've never read his contract, you have a link for it?

[bronco militia]

from pft.com......not sure what to think about the State charges.

LESTER MUNSON'S HIT STREAK IS OVER

We'd been impressed by the work of ESPN.com's Lester Munson during the Mike Vick situation. Munson has a knack for making legal concepts readily understandable, using an easy-to-read question-and-answer format.

But we've got to take issue with the last entry in Munson's latest submission:

"The local prosecutor in Surry County, Va., where Vick built his dogfighting compound, says he will now take action against Vick. What can he do to Vick that the federal authorities haven't already done?

"Gerald Poindexter, the local prosecutor, can huff and puff and seek attention, but that's about it. Vick need not worry much about Poindexter. The federal authorities have the seven witnesses, the financial records, the e-mails and all the other evidence. Poindexter can charge Vick with dogfighting under a Virginia law that makes it a felony, but any punishment the player might serve on that charge would be done at the same time Vick is serving his federal sentence. Poindexter appears to be a bit embarrassed that the feds took over an investigation that he had started, and so whatever action he ultimately takes might be motivated, at least in part, by a desire to save face."

Lester, have you gone mad? If Vick admits to participating in the killing of eight dogs deemed unfit for fighting, he's on the hook for eight counts of animal cruelty, at a maximum prison sentence of five years each.

And Poindexter won't need the "seven witnesses, the financial records, the e-mails and all the other evidence." All Poindexter will need is the signed statement of facts, and it's a one-day, one-exhibit trial.

"I killed eight dogs."

Case closed.

Lester, what the hell are you thinking?

[RhymesayersDU]

I know Adam Sandler just remade The Longest Yard what, 3 years ago... But come on, let's remake that movie again, but make it a real live documentary. It would be pure gold.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

from pft.com......not sure what to think about the State charges.

LESTER MUNSON'S HIT STREAK IS OVER

We'd been impressed by the work of ESPN.com's Lester Munson during the Mike Vick situation. Munson has a knack for making legal concepts readily understandable, using an easy-to-read question-and-answer format.

But we've got to take issue with the last entry in Munson's latest submission:

"The local prosecutor in Surry County, Va., where Vick built his dogfighting compound, says he will now take action against Vick. What can he do to Vick that the federal authorities haven't already done?

"Gerald Poindexter, the local prosecutor, can huff and puff and seek attention, but that's about it. Vick need not worry much about Poindexter. The federal authorities have the seven witnesses, the financial records, the e-mails and all the other evidence. Poindexter can charge Vick with dogfighting under a Virginia law that makes it a felony, but any punishment the player might serve on that charge would be done at the same time Vick is serving his federal sentence. Poindexter appears to be a bit embarrassed that the feds took over an investigation that he had started, and so whatever action he ultimately takes might be motivated, at least in part, by a desire to save face."

Lester, have you gone mad? If Vick admits to participating in the killing of eight dogs deemed unfit for fighting, he's on the hook for eight counts of animal cruelty, at a maximum prison sentence of five years each.

And Poindexter won't need the "seven witnesses, the financial records, the e-mails and all the other evidence." All Poindexter will need is the signed statement of facts, and it's a one-day, one-exhibit trial.
"I killed eight dogs."
Case closed.
Lester, what the hell are you thinking?This is what I was talking about earlier.

As far as not needing to try him again I don't know about that. This is what he is pleading guilty to...competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting the enterprise across state lines.

[Garcia Bronco]

No, I've never read his contract, you have a link for it?

It's standard in every NFL contract.

[Drek]

This is what I was talking about earlier.

As far as not needing to try him again I don't know about that. This is what he is pleading guilty to...competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting the enterprise across state lines.

They'd need to try him again, but with a sworn guilty plea that includes an allocution in which he details exactly what he did as well as how and why he did it. Its pretty much a slam dunk case that his lawyer would have him cop a plea to before it even gets in front of a judge.

He might pick up a little more jail time at the state level, but I'd be surprised if its anything significant.

As for him playing football again? No way. I think Godell is going to ban him for life. It'll be phrased as an indefinite suspension, but the buy basically funded a interstate gambling ring. The fact that it was based around something as disgusting as dog fighting doesn't help, but the gambling alone is enough to make the league turn away from him for good. Add that he directly lied to the commissioner about his involvement and you get a recipe for disaster on his part.

He could probably get reinstated two or three years after serving his sentence, but by then he'll be in his mid-30's and that once great athletic ability will be eroded to a useless level.

[Beantown Bronco]

IMO, if he goes to jail for two years there is no reason for him to be suspended. It's anti-constitution from a double jeapardy perspective.

Huh? So if a player serves time, then the league shouldn't suspend them as well because of how you interpret double jeopardy?

You are way off. This is not the equivalent of trying someone twice for the same crime. If that was the case, than pretty much every player arrested for DUI wouldn't have to worry about a league suspension, now would they?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Huh? So if a player serves time, then the league shouldn't suspend them as well because of how you interpret double jeopardy?

You are way off. This is not the equivalent of trying someone twice for the same crime. If that was the case, than pretty much every player arrested for DUI wouldn't have to worry about a league suspension, now would they?Garcia is somewhat confused on the whole Vick issue, after all, Vick is (use to be?) one of his boys.

[Garcia Bronco]

Huh? So if a player serves time, then the league shouldn't suspend them as well because of how you interpret double jeopardy?

You are way off. This is not the equivalent of trying someone twice for the same crime. If that was the case, than pretty much every player arrested for DUI wouldn't have to worry about a league suspension, now would they?


A DUI is completely different situation other than a crime was committed. You can get a DUI and not get jail time. But if the player goes to jail and is also suspended...the player really is getting penalized twice.

[Beantown Bronco]

But if the player goes to jail and is also suspended...the player really is getting penalized twice.

So are those who are convicted in both criminal and civil courts for the same offense/events....it doesn't mean double jeopardy applies. It just means two different "courts" can dish out punishment for the aspect of the crime that falls within their jurisdiction. Happens every day.

[Garcia Bronco]

So are those who are convicted in both criminal and civil courts for the same offense/events....it doesn't mean double jeopardy applies. It just means two different "courts" can dish out punishment for the aspect of the crime that falls within their jurisdiction. Happens every day.


Well really...double jeopardy applies from a constitutional perspective when one is found innocent and then tried again for the same case. IMO the under lying current there is that someone can't be tried for the same thing twice. After looking at it though...the commish suspending him or the Commonwealth going after him does not violate the thought process of the 5th Amendment. I still don't like it though.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

A DUI is completely different situation other than a crime was committed. You can get a DUI and not get jail time. But if the player goes to jail and is also suspended...the player really is getting penalized twice.No kidding? In what world is that "illegal"?

[Bronco Yoda]

I'm thinking Vick should be sentenced to a few years picketing for PETA in the front lines....after serving jail time.... and his life time ban from the NFL.

...oops. my bad... this would constitute triple jeopardy :wave:

[bronco militia]

POSTED 11:28 a.m. EDT, August 21, 2007

POINDEXTER PLANS TO PROSECUTE

A major factor in the final outcome of the entire Mike Vick legal imbroglio is what will happen to him under Virginia law. Though several readers have raised with us the notion of "double jeopardy," Vick has not faced animal cruelty charges under state law. The feds had no jurisdiction over such crimes, since they happened only in Virginia. For now, Vick has pleaded guilty only to conspiracy to violate several federal statutes dealing with interstate gambling and interstate dog fighting. He has never been placed in jeopardy for animal cruelty charges.

And, if the statement of facts he signs on August 27 includes an admission that he participated in the killing of the eight dogs that Quanis Phillips and Purnell Peace admitted to killing with Vick, then it will be very easy to prove that Vick violated Virginia law.

Even Gerald Poindexter can't screw that up.

Nor does he intend to.

"I intend to prosecute to the fullest extent anything I can prosecute him on in Surry County," Poindexter said on Monday.

We used to think that Poindexter was dragging his feet on Vick because Poindexter, a part-time prosecutor in his 60s, didn't want to face an O.J.-style dream team. But the challenge is now far easier than it would have been, and if Poindexter doesn't push forward aggressively, we'll conclude that his motives arise from corruption, not from sloth.

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=130731&ran=155446

[Garcia Bronco]

POSTED 11:28 a.m. EDT, August 21, 2007

POINDEXTER PLANS TO PROSECUTE

A major factor in the final outcome of the entire Mike Vick legal imbroglio is what will happen to him under Virginia law. Though several readers have raised with us the notion of "double jeopardy," Vick has not faced animal cruelty charges under state law. The feds had no jurisdiction over such crimes, since they happened only in Virginia. For now, Vick has pleaded guilty only to conspiracy to violate several federal statutes dealing with interstate gambling and interstate dog fighting. He has never been placed in jeopardy for animal cruelty charges.

And, if the statement of facts he signs on August 27 includes an admission that he participated in the killing of the eight dogs that Quanis Phillips and Purnell Peace admitted to killing with Vick, then it will be very easy to prove that Vick violated Virginia law.

Even Gerald Poindexter can't screw that up.

Nor does he intend to.

"I intend to prosecute to the fullest extent anything I can prosecute him on in Surry County," Poindexter said on Monday.

We used to think that Poindexter was dragging his feet on Vick because Poindexter, a part-time prosecutor in his 60s, didn't want to face an O.J.-style dream team. But the challenge is now far easier than it would have been, and if Poindexter doesn't push forward aggressively, we'll conclude that his motives arise from corruption, not from sloth.

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=130731&ran=155446


That's right

[bronco militia]

from that link through pft.com

Vick may still face charges in state court in dogfighting or animal cruelty, though Shuttleworth said he hoped Vick’s guilty plea on the federal charge would negate the need for such action.
Surry County Commonwealth’s Attorney Gerald Poindexter said Monday that he plans to pursue local charges. The next Surry County grand jury, which must review charges on new defendants, meets Sept. 25.

“I intend to prosecute to the fullest extent anything I can prosecute him on in Surry County,” Poindexter said.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Poll is still open.......

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Vick suspended indefinitely by NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2990157)

Updated: August 24, 2007, 5:58 PM ET

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NEW YORK -- The NFL has suspended Michael Vick indefinitely.

On Friday, Vick filed his plea agreement in federal court admitting to conspiracy in a dogfighting ring and agreeing that the enterprise included killing pit bulls and gambling. He denied making side bets on the fights, but admitted to bankrolling them.

Friday afternoon, a letter to Vick from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said, in part:

"Your admitted conduct was not only illegal, but also cruel and reprehensible. Your team, the NFL, and NFL fans have all been hurt by your actions."

"Your plea agreement and the plea agreements of your co-defendants also demonstrate your significant involvement in illegal gambling. Even if you personally did not place bets, as you contend, your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL Player Contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player."

"You have engaged in conduct detrimental to the welfare of the NFL and have violated the league's Personal Conduct Policy."

"I will review the status of your suspension following the conclusion of the legal proceedings. As part of that review, I will take into account a number of factors, including the resolution of any other charges that may be brought against you, whether in Surry County, Virginia, or other jurisdictions, your conduct going forward, the specifics of the sentence imposed by Judge Hudson and any related findings he might make, and the extent to which you are truthful and cooperative with law enforcement and league staff who are investigating these matters."

"I have advised the Falcons that, with my decision today, they are no longer prohibited from acting and are now free to assert any claims or remedies available to them under the Collective Bargaining Agreement or your NFL Player Contract."

[TheDave]

Vick suspended indefinitely

The following are excerpts from Commissioner Goodell’s letter to Vick


Commissioner Roger Goodell notified Michael Vick on Friday that he is suspended indefinitely without pay from the National Football League, effective immediately.

» "Your admitted conduct was not only illegal, but also cruel and reprehensible. Your team, the NFL, and NFL fans have all been hurt by your actions."

» "Your plea agreement and the plea agreements of your co-defendants also demonstrate your significant involvement in illegal gambling. Even if you personally did not place bets, as you contend, your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL Player Contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player."

» "You have engaged in conduct detrimental to the welfare of the NFL and have violated the league’s Personal Conduct Policy."

» "I will review the status of your suspension following the conclusion of the legal proceedings. As part of that review, I will take into account a number of factors, including the resolution of any other charges that may be brought against you, whether in Surry County, Virginia, or other jurisdictions, your conduct going forward, the specifics of the sentence imposed by Judge Hudson and any related findings he might make, and the extent to which you are truthful and cooperative with law enforcement and league staff who are investigating these matters."

» "I have advised the Falcons that, with my decision today, they are no longer prohibited from acting and are now free to assert any claims or remedies available to them under the Collective Bargaining Agreement or your NFL Player Contract




Arthur Blank's statement

"Today, Michael Vick admitted his guilt to very serious charges related to his earlier indictment. His admissions describe actions that are incomprehensible and unacceptable for a member of the National Football League and the Atlanta Falcons."

"We respect and support the Commissioner's decision today to place Michael Vick on an indefinite suspension. As with other actions he has taken this year, the Commissioner is making a strong statement that conduct which tarnishes the good reputation of the NFL will not be tolerated."

"We hope that Michael will use this time, not only to further address his legal matters, but to take positive steps to improve his personal life."

The Falcons expect further comment on Monday.:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d801c32be&template=without-video&confirm=true

[bronclvr]

He's done dancing.

[TheDave]

I'd say the No's have it...

[Hotrod]

Someones always making $ and it usually aint me.

http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/

[Rock Chalk]

Someones always making $ and it usually aint me.

http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/

I just bought two for Scarlet.