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epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2007, 04:12 PM
Religious involvement, family relationships, marriage, school, and other wholesome values touted over sex, money, drugs/alchohol.

MSNBC.com
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What makes kids happy will surprise you
Poll finds family time, not money, is what makes folks 13 to 24 feel chipper
The Associated Press
Updated: 7:39 a.m. CT Aug 20, 2007
NEW YORK - So you’re between the ages of 13 and 24. What makes you happy? A worried, weary parent might imagine the answer to sound something like this: Sex, drugs, a little rock ‘n’ roll. Maybe some cash, or at least the car keys.

Turns out the real answer is quite different. Spending time with family was the top answer to that open-ended question, according to an extensive survey — more than 100 questions asked of 1,280 people ages 13-24 — conducted by The Associated Press and MTV on the nature of happiness among America’s young people.

Next was spending time with friends, followed by time with a significant other. And even better for parents: Nearly three-quarters of young people say their relationship with their parents makes them happy.
“They’re my foundation,” says Kristiana St. John, 17, a high-school student from Queens in New York. “My mom tells me that even if I do something stupid, she’s still going to love me no matter what. Just knowing that makes me feel very happy and blessed.”

Other results are more disconcerting. While most young people are happy overall with the way their lives are going, there are racial differences: The poll shows whites to be happier, across economic categories, than blacks and Hispanics. A lot of young people feel stress, particularly those from the middle class, and females more than males.

You might think money would be clearly tied to a general sense of happiness. But almost no one said “money” when asked what makes them happy, though people with the highest family incomes are generally happier with life. However, having highly educated parents is a stronger predictor of happiness than income.

If you’re 18 to 24, sex might lead to more happiness in the moment, but not in general.

From the body to the soul: Close to half say religion and spirituality are very important. And more than half say they believe there is a higher power that has an influence over things that make them happy. Beyond religion, simply belonging to an organized religious group makes people happier.

And parents, here’s some more for you: Most young people in school say it makes them happy. Overwhelmingly, young people think marriage would make them happy and want to be married some day. Most also want to have kids.

Finally, when asked to name their heroes, nearly half of respondents mentioned one or both of their parents. The winner, by a nose: Mom.

Happiness is ...
“...two kinds of ice cream,” according to the song from “You’re a Good Man, Charlie Brown.” John Lennon, more darkly, described it as a warm gun. A much more typical description comes from Stacy Rosales, a 23-year-old recent college graduate, who calls it “just a general stress-free feeling where I’m not really worried about anything. THAT makes me happy.”

For Chad Fiedler, 17, it’s “just waking up in the morning and looking forward to what I’m going to be doing that day.” And for Eoshe Roland, a 14-year-old from Nashville, it’s “playing trumpet in my school band.”

However you express, define or feel it, 65 percent of those surveyed say they’re happy with the way things are going for them right now.


We are family
When asked what one thing makes them most happy, 20 percent mentioned spending time with family — more than anything else. About three-quarters — 73 percent — said their relationship with their parents makes them happy. After family, it was relationships with friends that people mentioned most.

“It’s good news to hear young people being realistic about what really makes them happy,” says psychologist Jean Twenge, author of “Generation Me” and a professor at San Diego State University. “Research has shown us that relationships are the single greatest source of happiness.”

Also confirming existing research, Twenge says, is the finding that children of divorced parents are somewhat less likely to be happy. Among 13-17 year olds, 64 percent of those with parents still together said they wake up happy, compared to 47 percent of those with divorced parents.



First comes love, then comes ...
Overall, romantic relationships are a source of happiness — but being in one doesn’t necessarily lead to greater happiness with life in general.

“It would be nice, but where I am right now is, I want to take care of myself,” says Rosales. “Before you can be in a committed relationship you have to know who you are and what you really want.”

Eventually, though, marriage is a goal for most young people, with 92 percent saying they either definitely or probably want to get married.

“I don’t want to be one of those career businesswomen who just doesn’t ever settle down,” says St. John, the New York high-school student.

Money, money, money
Money may make the world go around, but when asked what one thing makes them happiest, almost nobody in the poll mentioned money or anything material. Still, money does play a role in happiness.

Those who can’t afford to buy many of the things they want are less happy with life in general. Just under half of young people think they’d be happier if they had more money, while the same percentage (49 percent) say they’d be just as happy.

“I’m going to college next year,” says Fiedler, who will attend Drexel University in Philadelphia. “Not the cheapest thing nowadays. Money isn’t the most important thing, but if something happens, it can turn into it.”

Stresses, fears
Young people in this survey had a 10 percent higher stress rate than adults did in a 2006 AP-Ipsos poll. For ages 13 to 17, school is the greatest source of stress. For those in the 18-24 range, it’s jobs and financial matters.

Only 29 percent feel very safe traveling, and 25 percent very safe from terror attacks. Still, those interviewed said the fear of terror interfered very little with their lives.

Drugs and alcohol
Alcohol users are slightly less happy than those who don’t drink. The differences are more remarkable among 13-17 year olds; just 40 percent of those who drank in the last seven days reported being happy with life, versus 68 percent of those who didn’t. And 49 percent of illegal drug users reported being happy with life, compared with 66 percent of those who didn’t use drugs.

Racial divide
While 72 percent of whites say they’re happy with life in general, just 56 percent of blacks and 51 percent of Hispanics say that. And 66 percent of whites were happy at the moment the interview began, compared with 57 percent of minorities.

Sustenance for the soul
“I just like believing in something greater than me and everybody else,” St. John, who attends a Catholic school, says of her commitment to religion. “When I pray, sometimes it just makes me feel better, if I’m freaking out about things.”

Those for whom religion and spirituality plays a bigger role tend to be happier, according to the poll. More than half — 55 percent — say it is either a very important part of life or the single most important thing in their lives.

I need a hero
Oprah Winfrey? Michael Jordan? Hillary Clinton? Tiger Woods? All those names came up when people were asked about heroes. Of public figures, Martin Luther King, Jr. got the most mentions. But nearly half mentioned one of their parents, with mothers ranking higher (29 percent) than fathers (21 percent.)

“My parents came here from the Philippines in the ‘70s,” says Rosales. “They raised a family and got to where they are from scratch. My mother’s now the director of a hospital. I admire them both so much.”


“My mother is a pastor, and she’s my role model,” says Esohe, the 14-year-old in Nashville. “She’s so giving.” Blacks and Hispanics were more likely than whites to name their mothers.

Also mentioned: God (more than 10 percent), teachers (nearly 5 percent); and members of the military, police and firefighters.

The crystal ball
Will young people grow up to be happy adults? Overall they’re optimistic: Sixty-two percent think they’ll be happier in the future than they are now. (Those over 18 are more optimistic.) But many anticipate a more difficult life than their parents had.

“I think a lot about my kids and what their lives are going to be like,” says Fiedler. “There may be wars going on, who knows. I just have a feeling it’s going to be harder for the future generation to be happy.”


URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20322621/wid/11915773?GT1=10316

Crushaholic
08-20-2007, 04:16 PM
I think kids lash today lash out because they don't have that stable home environment that they crave. In many instances, both parents either have to work or they just don't care about their kid's well-being. That survey makes perfect sense to me...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-20-2007, 07:30 PM
What Makes College Kids Happy? Not Sex.

The thread title is a little misleading, isn't it?

The argument isn't that sex doesn't make college kids happy - it's that sex isn't at the top of the list of things that make college kids happy.

RkyMtnThunder
08-20-2007, 07:51 PM
The thread title is a little misleading, isn't it?

The argument isn't that sex doesn't make college kids happy - it's that sex isn't at the top of the list of things that make college kids happy.

What kind of spin do you expect from Ned Flanders?

Next thing will be how bible study has replaced keggers as the #1 student activity!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-20-2007, 07:57 PM
What kind of spin do you expect from Ned Flanders?

Next thing will be how bible study has replaced keggers as the #1 student activity!

:rofl: :thumbs:

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2007, 11:49 PM
The thread title is a little misleading, isn't it?
The argument isn't that sex doesn't make college kids happy - it's that sex isn't at the top of the list of things that make college kids happy.


No.

You are wrong.

The article clearly states that sex does not lead to lasting "general" happiness in kids of college age.

This goes against everything the liberal "yay for sex because it makes us happy" crowd stands for. That's the same crowd that advocates abortion because it makes casual sex less consequential in terms of one's future career hopes.

Everything you hedonists have been preaching as high ethic has been making yourselves and your children unhappy.

Bronco Bob
08-21-2007, 02:24 AM
No.

You are wrong.

The article clearly states that sex does not lead to lasting "general" happiness in kids of college age.

This goes against everything the liberal "yay for sex because it makes us happy" crowd stands for. That's the same crowd that advocates abortion because it makes casual sex less consequential in terms of one's future career hopes.

Everything you hedonists have been preaching as high ethic has been making yourselves and your children unhappy.

Nice job of twisting the meaning. So now it goes from sex not being
as big a deal as other things for making one happy to sex making
people unhappy. Llama, go get laid. It will make you happy.
Maybe not as happy as a peanut butter and jelly sandwich from
Nana, but it will make you happy.

epicSocialism4tw
08-21-2007, 02:29 AM
Nice job of twisting the meaning. So now it goes from sex not being
as big a deal as other things for making one happy to sex making
people unhappy. Llama, go get laid. It will make you happy.
Maybe not as happy as a peanut butter and jelly sandwich from
Nana, but it will make you happy.

That's pretty well useless advice.

Casual sex makes you happy about as much as a thirty-minute trip down the cocaine fastlane does.

Bronco Bob
08-21-2007, 02:44 AM
That's pretty well useless advice.

Casual sex makes you happy about as much as a thirty-minute trip down the cocaine fastlane does.

Well, we're making progress. At least now you admit sex does make people happy.

epicSocialism4tw
08-21-2007, 02:52 AM
Well, we're making progress. At least now you admit sex does make people happy.

Enjoy your progress.

You have every right in the world to destroy your own life. Reasonable people will close their door to you when you start trying to take them down with you.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-21-2007, 03:02 AM
No.

You are wrong.

The article clearly states that sex does not lead to lasting "general" happiness in kids of college age.

I was talking about your thread title. (I thought I made that pretty clear.)

It says "What Makes College Kids Happy? Not Sex."

It doesn't specify "lasting" or "general" happiness.

This goes against everything the liberal "yay for sex because it makes us happy" crowd stands for.

So let me get this straight: Only liberals say "yay for sex because it makes us happy?"

And, BTW, what's wrong with sex (or sex making you happy?)


That's the same crowd that advocates abortion because it makes casual sex less consequential in terms of one's future career hopes.

Huh? ???


Everything you hedonists have been preaching as high ethic has been making yourselves and your children unhappy.

???

That you would draw this sort of skewed conclusion from the article you posted explains so much, e.g., it illustrates your habit of seeing what you want to see - independent of facts, truth, and logic.

epicSocialism4tw
08-21-2007, 03:06 AM
I was talking about your thread title. (I thought I made that pretty clear.)
t says "What Makes College Kids Happy? Not Sex."
It doesn't specify "lasting" or "general" happiness.So let me get this straight: Only liberals say "yay for sex because it makes us happy?"
And, BTW, what's wrong with sex (or sex making you happy?) Huh? ???
???That you would draw this sort of skewed conclusion from the article you posted explains so much, e.g., it illustrates your habit of seeing what you want to see - independent of facts, truth, and logic.

What kind of rig do you play?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-21-2007, 03:11 AM
What kind of rig do you play?

I make my living doing live dates and studio sessions, so I have a lot of different amps, effects, guitars, etc., for different jobs.

My favorite amps for live dates right now are the THD Bi-Valve and the VHT Pitbull 45.

For studio dates I use a rack with a Soldano tube power amp and various pre-amps and effects.

epicSocialism4tw
08-21-2007, 03:46 AM
I make my living doing live dates and studio sessions, so I have a lot of different amps, effects, guitars, etc., for different jobs.
My favorite amps for live dates right now are the THD Bi-Valve and the VHT Pitbull 45.
For studio dates I use a rack with a Soldano tube power amp and various pre-amps and effects.

I've decided to give it another run after about 10 years off, and I'll be making the hop from using a bass rig to a guitar rig. I'm still writing the tunes, but I'll be doing it from another angle. I'm not willing to invest in boutique right now, so I'm probably going to get an AC30TB. I would like to get a pre Rose-Morris, but I might as well get a new Matchless if I were to go that route. Anyhow, I'll be using a 72 Tele and probably a matchless or Bad Cat OD among other things. For the price, the AC30 is pretty stout for what I'm looking at doing. I'll be going into the studio this winter, so I'm trying to get a good feel for what's out there in the guitar world. I'm used to Eden Cabs and Warwick basses. The guitar world is going to be a relatively new venture all though I've played for probably 20 years.

Do you know much about the AC30's? I am looking for one with the Celestion blues. Preferably made during the KORG era.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-21-2007, 06:49 AM
Do you know much about the AC30's? I am looking for one with the Celestion blues. Preferably made during the KORG era.

The company moved its manufacturing to China in about 2003, I think it was, and quality control has declined since then. I, for one, am not a big fan of the reissues built after '92 insofar as the quality of many of the components hasn't been up to snuff, IMO.

If you're looking for that classic AC30 chime, then I would strongly recommend you listen to a VHT Pitbull 45 before you decide. I use mine on a lot of recording dates, and when I use the clean channel, every musician I talk to thinks I'm using an AC30. The amp is class A, hand-built, and runs on four EL84s just like an AC30. It sounds just as good as a Matchless or a Bad Cat at about half the price (even less if you look for a clean used one) and has great features out the yin yang. The build quality and quality of components blows the doors off any Korg-era AC30 reproduction.

W*GS
08-21-2007, 09:13 AM
Boy, there's lots of factoidal tidbits llama just skipped right over in his sex-like ardor to make his point that sex is filthy, disgusting, and makes unhappy people...

When will llama and his ilk get a clue about sex? I swear, the pleasure of orgasm is lost on them...

epicSocialism4tw
08-21-2007, 10:08 AM
The company moved its manufacturing to China in about 2003, I think it was, and quality control has declined since then. I, for one, am not a big fan of the reissues built after '92 insofar as the quality of many of the components hasn't been up to snuff, IMO.

If you're looking for that classic AC30 chime, then I would strongly recommend you listen to a VHT Pitbull 45 before you decide. I use mine on a lot of recording dates, and when I use the clean channel, every musician I talk to thinks I'm using an AC30. The amp is class A, hand-built, and runs on four EL84s just like an AC30. It sounds just as good as a Matchless or a Bad Cat at about half the price (even less if you look for a clean used one) and has great features out the yin yang. The build quality and quality of components blows the doors off any Korg-era AC30 reproduction.

The 45 is a 2x10 combo...how does that compete with the 2x12?

Bronco_Beerslug
08-21-2007, 10:29 AM
Boy, there's lots of factoidal tidbits llama just skipped right over in his sex-like ardor to make his point that sex is filthy, disgusting, and makes unhappy people...

When will llama and his ilk get a clue about sex? I swear, the pleasure of orgasm is lost on them...You silly fool, you can't have an orgasm in college, at least not a "happy" one.

The great amazing fact this story makes everyone seems to be overlooking... SEX is transitory.........no sh*t?

Of course most normal men (18-24) think of not much anything else but getting laid. And I guarantee you it makes them "happy" as well as it does most women in that age group.

Talk about a stupid thread title!

I think the Mad Yak thinks saving himself for the right guy or girl makes him some kind of "right hand man" of God or something.

alkemical
08-21-2007, 12:52 PM
I know with alot of my friend - most of them are married already and have really worked at making their marriages & families different than what "we" had growing up. Alot of my friends have rejected working certain jobs due to taking time away from their families, etc. (Making less to enjoy the family more).

So in some ways i do see the point of the article - in that from my generational POV it seems we know about how empty "just getting laid" is, even if it's fun or just a moment thing. But sometimes the aftermath is much more frustrating than waiting to get laid.

Bob
08-21-2007, 02:34 PM
What kind of spin do you expect from Ned Flanders?

Next thing will be how bible study has replaced keggers as the #1 student activity!

I think it is a true statement -- folks that place sex as #1 means for lasting happiness, wont be as happy as those that have purpose -- I mean come on! That is obvious unless you are undersexed..., and over-hormoned....

Bronco_Beerslug
08-21-2007, 02:48 PM
I think it is a true statement -- folks that place sex as #1 means for lasting happiness, wont be as happy as those that have purpose -- I mean come on! That is obvious unless you are undersexed..., and over-hormoned....Uh, it doesn't have to be number one but if your sex life sucks your marriage/relationship is usually in trouble and life generally sucks and you become a bigger fan of kickball than NFL football.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-21-2007, 04:10 PM
The 45 is a 2x10 combo...how does that compete with the 2x12?

There is also a 1x12 version (which is what I have) and a 2x12 version:

http://www.vhtamp.com/frames.html

Hogan11
08-22-2007, 07:05 AM
What Makes College Kids Happy? Not Sex.

Religious involvement, family relationships, marriage, school, and other wholesome values touted over sex, money, drugs/alchohol.

Great news!!! That leaves more sex, money and alcohol for me to enjoy!

alkemical
08-22-2007, 08:54 AM
Religious involvement, family relationships, marriage, school, and other wholesome values touted over sex, money, drugs/alchohol.

MSNBC.com
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What makes kids happy will surprise you
Poll finds family time, not money, is what makes folks 13 to 24 feel chipper
The Associated Press
Updated: 7:39 a.m. CT Aug 20, 2007
NEW YORK - So you’re between the ages of 13 and 24. What makes you happy? A worried, weary parent might imagine the answer to sound something like this: Sex, drugs, a little rock ‘n’ roll. Maybe some cash, or at least the car keys.

Turns out the real answer is quite different. Spending time with family was the top answer to that open-ended question, according to an extensive survey — more than 100 questions asked of 1,280 people ages 13-24 — conducted by The Associated Press and MTV on the nature of happiness among America’s young people.

Next was spending time with friends, followed by time with a significant other. And even better for parents: Nearly three-quarters of young people say their relationship with their parents makes them happy.
“They’re my foundation,” says Kristiana St. John, 17, a high-school student from Queens in New York. “My mom tells me that even if I do something stupid, she’s still going to love me no matter what. Just knowing that makes me feel very happy and blessed.”

Other results are more disconcerting. While most young people are happy overall with the way their lives are going, there are racial differences: The poll shows whites to be happier, across economic categories, than blacks and Hispanics. A lot of young people feel stress, particularly those from the middle class, and females more than males.

You might think money would be clearly tied to a general sense of happiness. But almost no one said “money” when asked what makes them happy, though people with the highest family incomes are generally happier with life. However, having highly educated parents is a stronger predictor of happiness than income.

If you’re 18 to 24, sex might lead to more happiness in the moment, but not in general.

From the body to the soul: Close to half say religion and spirituality are very important. And more than half say they believe there is a higher power that has an influence over things that make them happy. Beyond religion, simply belonging to an organized religious group makes people happier.

And parents, here’s some more for you: Most young people in school say it makes them happy. Overwhelmingly, young people think marriage would make them happy and want to be married some day. Most also want to have kids.

Finally, when asked to name their heroes, nearly half of respondents mentioned one or both of their parents. The winner, by a nose: Mom.

Happiness is ...
“...two kinds of ice cream,” according to the song from “You’re a Good Man, Charlie Brown.” John Lennon, more darkly, described it as a warm gun. A much more typical description comes from Stacy Rosales, a 23-year-old recent college graduate, who calls it “just a general stress-free feeling where I’m not really worried about anything. THAT makes me happy.”

For Chad Fiedler, 17, it’s “just waking up in the morning and looking forward to what I’m going to be doing that day.” And for Eoshe Roland, a 14-year-old from Nashville, it’s “playing trumpet in my school band.”

However you express, define or feel it, 65 percent of those surveyed say they’re happy with the way things are going for them right now.


We are family
When asked what one thing makes them most happy, 20 percent mentioned spending time with family — more than anything else. About three-quarters — 73 percent — said their relationship with their parents makes them happy. After family, it was relationships with friends that people mentioned most.

“It’s good news to hear young people being realistic about what really makes them happy,” says psychologist Jean Twenge, author of “Generation Me” and a professor at San Diego State University. “Research has shown us that relationships are the single greatest source of happiness.”

Also confirming existing research, Twenge says, is the finding that children of divorced parents are somewhat less likely to be happy. Among 13-17 year olds, 64 percent of those with parents still together said they wake up happy, compared to 47 percent of those with divorced parents.



First comes love, then comes ...
Overall, romantic relationships are a source of happiness — but being in one doesn’t necessarily lead to greater happiness with life in general.

“It would be nice, but where I am right now is, I want to take care of myself,” says Rosales. “Before you can be in a committed relationship you have to know who you are and what you really want.”

Eventually, though, marriage is a goal for most young people, with 92 percent saying they either definitely or probably want to get married.

“I don’t want to be one of those career businesswomen who just doesn’t ever settle down,” says St. John, the New York high-school student.

Money, money, money
Money may make the world go around, but when asked what one thing makes them happiest, almost nobody in the poll mentioned money or anything material. Still, money does play a role in happiness.

Those who can’t afford to buy many of the things they want are less happy with life in general. Just under half of young people think they’d be happier if they had more money, while the same percentage (49 percent) say they’d be just as happy.

“I’m going to college next year,” says Fiedler, who will attend Drexel University in Philadelphia. “Not the cheapest thing nowadays. Money isn’t the most important thing, but if something happens, it can turn into it.”

Stresses, fears
Young people in this survey had a 10 percent higher stress rate than adults did in a 2006 AP-Ipsos poll. For ages 13 to 17, school is the greatest source of stress. For those in the 18-24 range, it’s jobs and financial matters.

Only 29 percent feel very safe traveling, and 25 percent very safe from terror attacks. Still, those interviewed said the fear of terror interfered very little with their lives.

Drugs and alcohol
Alcohol users are slightly less happy than those who don’t drink. The differences are more remarkable among 13-17 year olds; just 40 percent of those who drank in the last seven days reported being happy with life, versus 68 percent of those who didn’t. And 49 percent of illegal drug users reported being happy with life, compared with 66 percent of those who didn’t use drugs.

Racial divide
While 72 percent of whites say they’re happy with life in general, just 56 percent of blacks and 51 percent of Hispanics say that. And 66 percent of whites were happy at the moment the interview began, compared with 57 percent of minorities.

Sustenance for the soul
“I just like believing in something greater than me and everybody else,” St. John, who attends a Catholic school, says of her commitment to religion. “When I pray, sometimes it just makes me feel better, if I’m freaking out about things.”

Those for whom religion and spirituality plays a bigger role tend to be happier, according to the poll. More than half — 55 percent — say it is either a very important part of life or the single most important thing in their lives.

I need a hero
Oprah Winfrey? Michael Jordan? Hillary Clinton? Tiger Woods? All those names came up when people were asked about heroes. Of public figures, Martin Luther King, Jr. got the most mentions. But nearly half mentioned one of their parents, with mothers ranking higher (29 percent) than fathers (21 percent.)

“My parents came here from the Philippines in the ‘70s,” says Rosales. “They raised a family and got to where they are from scratch. My mother’s now the director of a hospital. I admire them both so much.”


“My mother is a pastor, and she’s my role model,” says Esohe, the 14-year-old in Nashville. “She’s so giving.” Blacks and Hispanics were more likely than whites to name their mothers.

Also mentioned: God (more than 10 percent), teachers (nearly 5 percent); and members of the military, police and firefighters.

The crystal ball
Will young people grow up to be happy adults? Overall they’re optimistic: Sixty-two percent think they’ll be happier in the future than they are now. (Those over 18 are more optimistic.) But many anticipate a more difficult life than their parents had.

“I think a lot about my kids and what their lives are going to be like,” says Fiedler. “There may be wars going on, who knows. I just have a feeling it’s going to be harder for the future generation to be happy.”


URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20322621/wid/11915773?GT1=10316



I think the racial differences in happiness could overlap (depending on demographic, etc polled) to do with a single parent household (which often couples with a lower income) - but the stuff i bolded were something i saw that stood out - maybe i'll try to find the poll itself - i have some questions on the #'s.