View Full Version : Ekuban out,so do we go for Rice/Strahan?
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 01:25 PM
Our D-line has looked terrible thus far WITH Ekuban...now we lose arguably our best lineman for the season....
So what should we do?....
Should we go after Rice?.....
Should we try and trade for Strahan?.....
Do we just stick it out with what we have?......
Can we even afford Rice?.....
Is Strahan even available?....
Are there any other options available to us?......
What should we do?
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 01:28 PM
Elvis Dooooooooooomervillllllllllllllle!!
Broncoman13
08-19-2007, 01:29 PM
There's a *RUMOR* that we're already going after Strahan. Supposedly we're offering up a hefty price for him. I think it's BS, but perhaps the loss of Ekuban will push them over the edge. FWIW (not much, IMO) we're talking giving up a first round draft pick for Strahan...plus a conditional. I think it BS but it was posted over on the Broncos Country board.
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 01:33 PM
There's a *RUMOR* that we're already going after Strahan. Supposedly we're offering up a hefty price for him. I think it's BS, but perhaps the loss of Ekuban will push them over the edge. FWIW (not much, IMO) we're talking giving up a first round draft pick for Strahan...plus a conditional. I think it BS but it was posted over on the Broncos Country board.
This dude's way past his prime. He's missed a half a season 2 of the last 3 years he's played, and he had a measley 3 sacks last year. I wouldn't give more than a 5th for him, and I doubt Shanny would either.
First round draft choice...Hilarious!
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 01:36 PM
There's a *RUMOR* that we're already going after Strahan. Supposedly we're offering up a hefty price for him. I think it's BS, but perhaps the loss of Ekuban will push them over the edge. FWIW (not much, IMO) we're talking giving up a first round draft pick for Strahan...plus a conditional. I think it BS but it was posted over on the Broncos Country board.
Interesting....
A 1st rounder for him is absurd but we are in a pickle right now...
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 01:40 PM
This dude's way past his prime. He's missed a half a season 2 of the last 3 years he's played, and he had a measley 3 sacks last year. I wouldn't give more than a 5th for him, and I doubt Shanny would either.
First round draft choice...Hilarious!
a 5th rounder?
Let's not be ridiculous....i realize he's only had a handful of sacks the past couple yrs but he's strong against the pass and the run....
our D-line needs a boost....someone that can come in and lead the line...
Ekuban was a double whammy cuz he was our best dlineman AND a vocal leader....
Strahan fills both even better IMO....
This team was built to win now....if we want to win now we need to do something about our line...
only 3 weeks left before reg season.....clocks ticking....
Shanny may feel we are in a desparate situation....
I can't say I disagree either....
I hope we try and do something....
I'm not up for a 7-9 type season
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 01:41 PM
How 'bout a 2nd for Bruce Smith? He's only 44.
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 01:43 PM
a 5th rounder?
Let's not be ridiculous....i realize he's only had a handful of sacks the past couple yrs but he's strong against the pass and the run....
How can he be "strong against the pass" if he had only 3 sacks as a defensive end?
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 01:43 PM
How 'bout a 2nd for Bruce Smith? He's only 44.
What's your solution?
Popps
08-19-2007, 01:44 PM
Not wild about either idea, but we have to do something. I just hope it's not Rice. That dude embodies what's unlikable about most NFL players.
This really does raise questions, though. Ekuban and Warren represented half of what we thought was our starting line. Now, we've got what... a rookie, a guy most of us have never heard of, and a fat, old guy who can't play more than 20 plays a game.
As average as Ekuban was, at least he was a warm body with some NFL experience.
Is it possible that as bad as things were on our line.... they got worse?!?
Rice is a RDE where Strahan is an LDE. Ekuban was our RDE and Endberg is our LDE.
So just from a position stand point I'd go with the RDE in Rice.
Plus Rice can be a disruptive pass rusher. I get the feeling Strahan is hanging on for a check.
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 01:46 PM
How can he be "strong against the pass" if he had only 3 sacks as a defensive end?
Dwight Freeney only had a few sacks last season also...
Is Freeney not strong against the pass either?
the sack is a deceiving statistic....
c'mon you should know this
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 01:47 PM
What's your solution?
I'm not sure there is one. But I doubt Strahan is any better at this point than McKinley, who is already here. I sure wouldn't give up a high pick for a guy who is basically done. I think we have to hope the kid DE's step up this year.
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 01:48 PM
Dwight Freeney only had a few sacks last season also...
Is Freeney not strong against the pass either?
the sack is a deceiving statistic....
c'mon you should know this
Freeney was game planned for and doubled all year. I watched Strahan last year and he was not the same player.
Pass...
Popps
08-19-2007, 01:48 PM
One thing I know, is that Dumerville isn't a starter. As nice as some of his pass rush moves are, that dude gets shoved to the ground with one hand on running downs.
If Shanny goes with the one of the rookies, as starters, then he's sending a message to all fans that 2007 is about 2008.
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 01:50 PM
Rice is a RDE where Strahan is an LDE. Ekuban was our RDE and Endberg is our LDE.
So just from a position stand point I'd go with the RDE in Rice.
Plus Rice can be a disruptive pass rusher. I get the feeling Strahan is hanging on for a check.
Do you think we'll be okay with going with what we have?
I think that's the 1st question....
If you answer "yes" than thats cool....
But if you answer "no"....are there any other viable options you can think of except Rice or Strahan?
I'm not crazy about making the move...but we NEED to do something IMO....
I think either of them will help....but they won't come cheap...and they won't be long term solutions.....and that sucks....
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 01:52 PM
Freeney was game planned for and doubled all year. I watched Strahan last year and he was not the same player.
Pass...
Fair enough....
but I'm concerned about our line as I'm sure you are and depending on the price, i'll take strahan here versus nothing....
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 01:54 PM
If Shanny goes with the one of the rookies, as starters, then he's sending a message to all fans that 2007 is about 2008.
Agreed
Punisher
08-19-2007, 01:57 PM
The Answer isnt Strahan its J.Moss in how good he does..Lets be real Strahan is going to end his years as a gaint
Do you think we'll be okay with going with what we have?
I think that's the 1st question....
If you answer "yes" than thats cool....
But if you answer "no"....are there any other viable options you can think of except Rice or Strahan?
I'm not crazy about making the move...but we NEED to do something IMO....
I think either of them will help....but they won't come cheap...and they won't be long term solutions.....and that sucks....
Strah-daddy wants a new deal. He has money issues.
Rice isn't stupid. He's not going to sign a chump deal only to get cut in a year. He's looking LTD (Long Term Deal).
With that Denver has Moss & Crowder waiting in the wings.
They may not have any incentive to go a land a DE for this year, when they are building for an 08-09 run.
Popps
08-19-2007, 02:02 PM
If Shanny goes with the one of the rookies, as starters, then he's sending a message to all fans that 2007 is about 2008.
Totally understand where you're coming from, but he just might not have much of a choice... unless trading for someone is a reality.
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 02:03 PM
Profootballtalk.com suggest that we should offer Warren for Strahan straight up....
I'd be open to that but I'm not sure the money would work out esp if strahan wants a new contract......
Not to mention that i for one would prefer we keep warren....
yerner
08-19-2007, 02:03 PM
F it. I want them both. I want a show. Tragic or not.
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 02:04 PM
We were told when they signed him that McKinley was supposed to be able to play the DE spot or inside at tackle. Has this guy just entirely vanished from their plans? His numbers at Cleveland (I know) were not that bad.
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 02:05 PM
Totally understand where you're coming from, but he just might not have much of a choice... unless trading for someone is a reality.
Knowing shanny's history....
I'd be SHOCKED if shanny wasn't at least attempting to make a deal to get another veteran DE in here....
There's a *RUMOR* that we're already going after Strahan. Supposedly we're offering up a hefty price for him. I think it's BS, but perhaps the loss of Ekuban will push them over the edge. FWIW (not much, IMO) we're talking giving up a first round draft pick for Strahan...plus a conditional. I think it BS but it was posted over on the Broncos Country board.
Maybe that's why we are trying to get rid of Big Money so quickly to free up cap for Strahan.
Los Broncos
08-19-2007, 02:27 PM
Id much rather have Rice
Hes one of the best if hes attitude is right
We were told when they signed him that McKinley was supposed to be able to play the DE spot or inside at tackle. Has this guy just entirely vanished from their plans? His numbers at Cleveland (I know) were not that bad.
I don't think McKinley is the type of guy you'd hear a lot of hype about in preseason. He's just a big plugger who does his job pretty well at either spot. I don't think he's a great fit anywhere in this system, but his versatility and very small contract makes him worth having.
He'll be valuable in our goal line sets for sure and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a good number of snaps at DE on running downs. I don't really have any idea what the deal is with the DT position at this point though, other than Sam Adams being good. Is Gordon really ahead of everyone else? Whats up with Burton? Is Thomas going to be a nickel DT or just ride the pine all season? Seems like an equal ratio of a lack of standouts and some gamesmanship by the coaches to push players. Leaves me wishing that Warren would buy into the system though.
We brought McKinley in, we should try to use them.
I'm for whatever makes sense... right now that doesn't seem to be Rice who won't really try to play within our defense, he'll be forever roaming looking for sacks and a paycheck. Strahan is just about used up. Why trade anything for that guy? A late round pick or Warren would be all that I would offer for him and I doubt the Giants go for it.
Looks like we are stuck trying to finally develop first year players which i'm fine with. DE's can come in and have an impact, just look at Jevon Kearse in his first season. He helped Tennessee get to the super bowl.
Learn on the run boys (Crowder/Moss), we brought you in for a reason. Time to start proving your worth.
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 03:13 PM
We brought McKinley in, we should try to use them.
I'm for whatever makes sense... right now that doesn't seem to be Rice who won't really try to play within our defense, he'll be forever roaming looking for sacks and a paycheck. Strahan is just about used up. Why trade anything for that guy? A late round pick or Warren would be all that I would offer for him and I doubt the Giants go for it.
Looks like we are stuck trying to finally develop first year players which i'm fine with. DE's can come in and have an impact, just look at Jevon Kearse in his first season. He helped Tennessee get to the super bowl.
Learn on the run boys (Crowder/Moss), we brought you in for a reason. Time to start proving your worth.
History shows that it's extremely unlikely that our rookie dlineman can make a big impact this season....they need time to develop
I think we have to be realistic about this situation....without adding some help...we are gonna be in a lot of trouble this year....
SonOfLe-loLang
08-19-2007, 03:16 PM
Why would starting a guy like crowder suggest that Shanny is "throwing away the season" Thats ridiculous. Also, theres no way Denver would give the giants a number one pick for a guy that isnt even in camp
MechanicalBull
08-19-2007, 03:33 PM
Saw this on another board of available DE's
As of August 7th, from scout.com
Defensive End
Simeon Rice/UFA
Grant Wistrom/UFA
Lance Johnstone/UFA
Courtney Brown/UFA
Al Wallace (http://nflexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&nid=2452714)/UFA
Marcellus Wiley (http://nflexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&nid=2460015)/UFA
Tyoka Jackson/UFA
Tony Bryant (http://nflexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&nid=2474209)/UFA
Jimmy Wilkerson (http://nflexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&nid=2980189)/UFA
Carl Powell (http://nflexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&nid=1932425)/UFA
Kemp Rasmussen/UFA
jebures
08-19-2007, 03:50 PM
Saw this on another board of available DE's
yuck
Smiling Assassin27
08-19-2007, 04:02 PM
Alex Brown for Warren + 2nd day pick.
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 04:03 PM
Greg Ellis is injured and unhappy in Dallas...anyone? ;D
NFLBRONCO
08-19-2007, 04:15 PM
Greg Ellis is injured and unhappy in Dallas...anyone? ;D
Sounds perfect for us :)
Kaylore
08-19-2007, 04:33 PM
the sack is a deceiving statistic....
You can say that again.
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/nfl/2002/0106/photo/s_strahan_vt.jpg
Broncos_OTM
08-19-2007, 04:41 PM
You can say that again.
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/nfl/2002/0106/photo/s_strahan_vt.jpg
I wouldn't give up a lot if anything for strahan or rice. we got a couple rookies and as it looks were gonna have a rough season so might as well indoctrinate them through fire. Keep our picks. Shanny has done Decently at drafting nothing spectacular but that needs to change. We need to do something about our drafting ability and stop over paying in FA. with warren gone next season. and quite possibly smith how much is that gonna save us. i am as i hear it about 22 million under the cap now.
Hogan11
08-19-2007, 05:06 PM
Not wild about either idea, but we have to do something. I just hope it's not Rice. That dude embodies what's unlikable about most NFL players.
This is true...BUT he is needed and the one lone positive in bringing in a richardhead like Rice is that Shanahan would lean on him immediately if he starts acting up (meaning being himself). The sad thing is that some would be happy that we'd finally have a bona fide ahole on the team if the Rice signing went down.
Wes Mantooth
08-19-2007, 05:39 PM
My vote is NO for Rice out of principle. He had a jacked-up mentality on Tillman joining the army and basically thought he got what was coming to him. No room on this roster for him no matter how good he is.
eddie mac
08-19-2007, 05:44 PM
It's time for other players to step up and be counted. If Bates' comments are anything to go by 1 vet DE isn't going to make a whole lot of difference.
If our current starters dont step up and start executing in this new D we're going to struggle regardless.
BroncoFiend
08-19-2007, 06:01 PM
Even before we lost Ekuban I was hoping we would get Rice. I live down here in Tampa and everyone from talk show hosts to fans are ripping the team apart about releasing Rice. It was well known that Rice didn't like Gruden and he is an outspoken guy so they failed his physical and released him.
IF healthy the guy is an every down player and a big time playmaker. I wouldn't even be suprised if we could get him to a cap friendly deal...for 07 anyway, as long as we load him with incentives.
Popps
08-19-2007, 06:03 PM
This is true...BUT he is needed and the one lone positive in bringing in a richardhead like Rice is that Shanahan would lean on him immediately if he starts acting up (meaning being himself). The sad thing is that some would be happy that we'd finally have a bona fide ahole on the team if the Rice signing went down.
I think Rice is 33... meaning, he's probably got a good season or two left. He'd run circles around anyone we currently have on the roster. As much as I hate the idea, there's no question that it makes football sense. What a bummer to even be in the position where we have to consider him, after working hard to improve the position in the off-season.
NFLBRONCO
08-19-2007, 06:08 PM
We need long term solutions on DL even if we struggle. Let young guys gain exp this year and see what we have or not. Last thing we need is a full starting line of 1 yr contracts and be at square one again in 08.
If I hear "we were built to win now" crap anymore I think I will slice my throat. There is only "trying to win" and that's it. You do the best with what you got every year. As Doc Holiday said in Tombstone "There is no normal life, there's just life". There is no built to win now football, there's just football. Jay Cutler, the most important player on the team, has started 5 games and is heading into his second year. If there was such a thing as BUILT TO WIN NOW, I hardly think you place a 2nd year QB at the helm. This team is trying to win now, which is no different then any other team out there. So please, take that BUILT TO WIN NOW crap some place else.
What should we do you ask? How about not pannic and let's get to the regular season and start playing some meaninful games to see where we stand.
I watched that game again and you know what, I think the performance is being totally viewed at wrong. I saw quite a few good things from yesterday. I saw excellent penetration from the DL. I saw some great tackles by LB's and Lynch. Bly made a nice INT. We put some pressure on the QB. If Henry doesn't fumble the ball on the 10 yard line, it was pretty much a 7-0 game halfway through the 2nd. I saw Cutler make some good throws. Marshall made some nice grabs. Let's face it, Dallas blitzed just about ever single frickin play. If they want to show all of their blitz packages in the 2nd preseason game then that's their perogative. I would not have done it. Also, I think the turf teams usually play better on turn while the grass teams usually play better on grass. If the Cowboys wanted to blitz every down to make it seem like their D is that good then go for it. I for one don't believe that's the smartest thing to do. I'm actually glad they did it though because it gave our guys some good practice at facing a team that needs to blitz all the time to get pressure.
Again, watch the 1st and 2nd QTR again and you won't think it was such a terrible peformace. I don't think Bates showed much at all while the Cowboys showed way too much for a preseason game. Bates could have put in a ton of blitz packages too but he probably didn't want to show too much. Just my opinion though.
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 06:35 PM
This is true...BUT he is needed and the one lone positive in bringing in a richardhead like Rice is that Shanahan would lean on him immediately if he starts acting up (meaning being himself). The sad thing is that some would be happy that we'd finally have a bona fide ahole on the team if the Rice signing went down.
Why are we making Rice out to be some awful jerk?
I realize his comments about Tilman were uncool....but outside of that he's just outspoken....
Last I checked he is well liked by his teammates and he also helped lead his team to a championship....
this guy isn't exactly T.O. here....
I don't see his personality as a problem....its the money he'd want that has me skeptical about bringing him in....
BroncoInferno
08-19-2007, 06:36 PM
Ekuban is out for the season? Son of bitch...I didn't get any updates from the game until just now because I was at my grandparents 60th anniversary...damn, these injuries are killing us. Fortunately, only one has been a season ender, but still. I'm more concerned about the injuries than I am us not looking great in the first two preseason games.
BroncoFiend
08-19-2007, 08:22 PM
This is true...BUT he is needed and the one lone positive in bringing in a richardhead like Rice is that Shanahan would lean on him immediately if he starts acting up (meaning being himself). The sad thing is that some would be happy that we'd finally have a bona fide ahole on the team if the Rice signing went down.
The fans here in Tampa love the guy, he is outspoken but so was a guy named Sharpe and there weren't too many complaints about him until he became a talk show guy.
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 08:39 PM
One thing I know, is that Dumerville isn't a starter. As nice as some of his pass rush moves are, that dude gets shoved to the ground with one hand on running downs.
Well at 1:42 and 1:14 of the 2nd quarter on back-to-back running plays he looked pretty good to me. Dumervil shed blocks on both plays and chased down the running back from the backside to make the tackle. He should get a shot...not like anybody else we have is setting the world on fire.
Bronco Yoda
08-19-2007, 08:50 PM
I vote for Rice....(like we got a chance at that)
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 08:54 PM
I vote for Rice....(like we got a chance at that)
I was on Broncosfreak and i was reminded there that Alex Brown has been offered up for trade by the Bears....
How much would we be willing to pay for him?
A 3rd rounder?.....is a 2nd too steep?
ward63
08-19-2007, 10:24 PM
I was on Broncosfreak and i was reminded there that Alex Brown has been offered up for trade by the Bears....
How much would we be willing to pay for him?
A 3rd rounder?.....is a 2nd too steep?
We don't have a third and a second is pretty steep!!! A fourth would be reasonable.
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 10:30 PM
We don't have a third and a second is pretty steep!!! A fourth would be reasonable.
No third?
Crap....
BroncoBuff
08-19-2007, 10:46 PM
Elvis Dooooooooooomervillllllllllllllle!!
Major silver lining!
Dumervil would be even better in a 3-4 defense. If the Cowboys are as excited about moving Anthony Spencer to a 3-4 OLB as they're squawking, think how well Doom would be in that spot.
Still, even though this has not been mentioned a lot, Doom's gotta be a pretty good fit for Bates' wide DE spread ... gives him space for those killa moves! I think Doom is getting too little attention around here. He's 10+ sacks waiting to happen this year.
BroncoBuff
08-19-2007, 10:50 PM
You guys are way off base ... we're okay at DE even with Ek out. But we need players at DT! With Gerard Warren crapping-out at the worst possible time, and Amon Gordon playing on figure skates last night against Andre Gurode and Leonard Davis, we are IN NEED AT DT!
Either we mend fences with Big Money, or we bite the bullet on
KRIS JENKINS!
If not Kris, who?
If not now, when?
You guys are way off base ... we're okay at DE even with Ek out. But we need players at DT! With Gerard Warren crapping-out at the worst possible time, and Amon Gordon playing on figure skates last night against Andre Gurode and Leonard Davis, we are IN NEED AT DT!
Either we mend fences with Big Money, or we bite the bullet on
KRIS JENKINS!
If not Kris, who?
If not now, when?
Nobdy. Did you know that the stud punter for Dalls was once a Bronco who was cut? He must have had a bad preseason game and been axed.........lol. Why don't you wait a few more games and let's see how our guys do. It's a new system, new coach, some new players. It's not gonna look like an angels face in 2 weeks...........sheesh.
Gcver2ver3
08-19-2007, 10:58 PM
You guys are way off base ... we're okay at DE even with Ek out. But we need players at DT! With Gerard Warren crapping-out at the worst possible time, and Amon Gordon playing on figure skates last night against Andre Gurode and Leonard Davis, we are IN NEED AT DT!
Either we mend fences with Big Money, or we bite the bullet on
KRIS JENKINS!
If not Kris, who?
If not now, when?
I hear ya but i think we are worse off at DE...
Esp if we keep warren.....
Warren & Adams....then Kennedy, Gordon, Thomas, & Burton...Veal...
Thats not bad....
DE is a big problem right now....
Ekuban was our best end (and that statement in itself is scary).....
Engleberger is unspectacular to be nice....he is not a starting Defensive end...but he is for us.....
Crowder/Moss are rooks....need time....
That leaves us with Dumerville who is a situational pass rusher & Lang/Patterson....
Thats not good Buff....not good at all
We need a d-end to come in and anchor this line.....
BroncoBuff
08-19-2007, 11:12 PM
Nobdy. Did you know that the stud punter for Dalls was once a Bronco who was cut? He must have had a bad preseason game and been axed.............sheeesh.
I heard that too! And I said "sheeesh" too ;D
Shanny has a bad punter record. Nick Harris - the guy we drafted outta Berkeley in '01 - was beaten out that year by Tom Rouen's last stand and a plea from Jason Elam, all coming after Touchback-Tom had an insane pre-season. Rouen melted down during the regular season and was gone the next year. Meanwhile, Nick Harris has been one of the Top 2 in the NFL the last three years in a row in "inside 20 vs. touchback ratio" in Detroit.
And now more drama with Sauerbrun. Sheeeesh. Ernster has a great night last night while Todd sucks all over the place. ??? Now when the cutdown date comes, special teams coach and good-buddy Scott O'Brien will make an Elam-like plea to keep Todd ... reminding Shanny they had to void Todd's Patriots contract in arbitration to get him back.
So then what ... Todd maybe gulps a few more ephedra, and we're forced to watch Ernster light up the league for the Ravens or somebody in 2008? And another guy .... Jason Baker is doing well and has stuck with Carolina since we released him to keep Todd in '05.
BroncoBuff
08-19-2007, 11:20 PM
I hear ya but i think we are worse off at DE...
Esp if we keep warren.....
Warren & Adams....then Kennedy, Gordon, Thomas, & Burton...Veal...
Thats not bad....
DE is a big problem right now....
Ekuban was our best end (and that statement in itself is scary).....
Engleberger is unspectacular to be nice....he is not a starting Defensive end...but he is for us.....
Crowder/Moss are rooks....need time....
That leaves us with Dumerville who is a situational pass rusher & Lang/Patterson....
Thats not good Buff....not good at all
We need a d-end to come in and anchor this line.....
Well, you make good points, but I don't think we're gonna keep Warren. Best-case scenario is Warren and Shanny kiss and make up, and Warren mentors the three young Gator linemen (why hasn't he done this anyway?).
And Crowder is supposedly ready, at least on running downs. Doom and Moss are both ready on passing downs imo, and we always have Kenard Lang at DE if worse comes to worse. None oif this is as scary as Amon Gordon starting inside right about now.
Although ... Andre Gurode and Leonard Russell is not a terrible twosome to look bad against on running downs. Maybe I should cut Gordon some slack. This week anyway.
cabronco
08-19-2007, 11:26 PM
I heard that too! And I said "sheeesh" too ;D
Shanny has a bad punter record. Nick Harris - the guy we drafted outta Berkeley in '01 - was beaten out that year by Tom Rouen's last stand and a plea from Jason Elam, all coming after Touchback-Tom had an insane pre-season. Rouen melted down during the regular season and was gone the next year. Meanwhile, Nick Harris has been one of the Top 2 in the NFL the last three years in a row in "inside 20 vs. touchback ratio" in Detroit.
And now more drama with Sauerbrun. Sheeeesh. Ernster has a great night last night while Todd sucks all over the place. ??? Now when the cutdown date comes, special teams coach and good-buddy Scott O'Brien will make an Elam-like plea to keep Todd ... reminding Shanny they had to void Todd's Patriots contract in arbitration to get him back.
So then what ... Todd maybe gulps a few more ephedra, and we're forced to watch Ernster light up the league for the Ravens or somebody in 2008? And another guy .... Jason Baker is doing well and has stuck with Carolina since we released him to keep Todd in '05.
UGGHH...I think I want to throw up. :kcbard:
Malcontent
08-19-2007, 11:30 PM
Face it gang....were in trouble here....this last game exposed our weakness at DL(well duh). Its going to be our struggle all year long, and 9-7 is for now.... our goal. Perhaps we get lucky and SD gets injured, but for right now, they will own the AFC West. I know...I suck, but FWIW..I am hopeful.
SoCalBronco
08-19-2007, 11:35 PM
No on all (assuming they cost anything significant i.e. a single 4th or higher). We're already in the hole in the draft.....Long Term > Short Term. If the guys on the line can't hack it, so be it. No short term fixes at the cost of further depleting the already unimpressive array of selections.
Rock Chalk
08-19-2007, 11:50 PM
SoCal and his selection hoarding.
SoCalBronco
08-19-2007, 11:51 PM
SoCal and his selection hoarding.
It's all about the future and constantly bringing in young, fresh and cheap talent, my friend.
Bronco Yoda
08-20-2007, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda
I vote for Rice....(like we got a chance at that)
I was on Broncosfreak and i was reminded there that Alex Brown has been offered up for trade by the Bears....
How much would we be willing to pay for him?
A 3rd rounder?.....is a 2nd too steep?
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No.
I don't have a problem with a trade... but I do have problems with players who want traded because of competition. Like what we delt with with Ash.
I like his durability. He's an iron man. Good overall game. Very versatile. He's not a monster at any one thing but he can do it all well. Left side, Right side. He's the perfect sorta player to have in your rotation. The kinda player I'd say normaly love to have.
... problem is he doesn't want to be in a rotation. Or atleast that's what I've read about him. That wouldn't work for us IMO. And he ain't a big enough sack master to to demand a sole starting position.
We need a sack master or really versatile team player... IMO he comes up short in either scenario. JMO
Hogan11
08-20-2007, 08:53 AM
Why are we making Rice out to be some awful jerk?
I realize his comments about Tilman were uncool....but outside of that he's just outspoken....
Last I checked he is well liked by his teammates and he also helped lead his team to a championship....
this guy isn't exactly T.O. here....
I don't see his personality as a problem....its the money he'd want that has me skeptical about bringing him in....
The fans here in Tampa love the guy, he is outspoken but so was a guy named Sharpe and there weren't too many complaints about him until he became a talk show guy.
The sad thing is that some would be happy that we'd finally have a bona fide ahole on the team if the Rice signing went down. At least Popps gets it.....no point getting all worked up over it because it's never going to happen anyways.
broncsyanks
08-20-2007, 10:12 AM
either or would suffice. i would take rice only because it wouldnt cost us a pick. strahan is saying that he will report this weekend to the giants. if we could package warren it might not be a bad idea.
Billy Clyde Puckett
08-20-2007, 10:49 AM
Nobdy. Did you know that the stud punter for Dalls was once a Bronco who was cut? He must have had a bad preseason game and been axed.........lol. .
He was horrible when he came in here. Would kick one 70 yards and the next 10 yards. Same with Harris. That's the way it is with punters. It takes time to be conisistent. If Ernster is cut, I fully expect him to land someplace as a very good punter.
Gcver2ver3
08-20-2007, 12:19 PM
The sad thing is that some would be happy that we'd finally have a bona fide ahole on the team if the Rice signing went down. At least Popps gets it.....no point getting all worked up over it because it's never going to happen anyways.
My main skepticism about Rice was us affording him....
But I've been reading also that he has shoulder problems which is partly why Tampa released him to begin with....
Maybe Rice isn't the answer...
Hopefully we can use the pick we got from Oakland to help us land Alex Brown
from Chicago...
broncosteven
08-20-2007, 01:39 PM
If Shanny goes with the one of the rookies, as starters, then he's sending a message to all fans that 2007 is about 2008.
The fact is that this is a team in transition.
Anyone thinking playoffs for 2007 is going to be disappointed.
The D will take the better part of the year to gel, esp with a 1st time MLB. Injuries have started taking a toll, and we have bandaids like Sam Adams holding the line together.
I think we can make a SB push in 2008 when The Dline Draft has a year under their belts and we can either draft an MLB or SAM high as well as a Saftey.
9-7 year will make me happy this year but I am expecting 8-8 or worse.
Vegas_Bronco
08-20-2007, 01:41 PM
I doubt we get either one:
from espn nfl insider:
• Nothing had been set up yet at this writing, but we hear the Rams would like to at least talk with DE Simeon Rice (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3549) about possibly bringing in the former Buccaneers sack monster for a visit. We hear there are two major issues clouding Rice's potential signing with the Rams: Rice's shoulder, which the Rams believe might not be healthy enough to enable him to play, and Rice's likely contract demands. Word is Rice is still looking to be paid like a top guy at his position, and our sources tell us there's no way that will happen in St. Louis.
• Sources say that Giants DE Michael Strahan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2579) has been calling around the league to talk with players who either recently retired or those who considered retirement in order to pick their minds, which is a good indication that he's seriously considering hanging it up rather than having been holding out for different reasons
Vegas_Bronco
08-20-2007, 01:47 PM
Patrick Kerney is looking like the deal we should have made happen right now - regardless of how productive he is, it would at least have solidified our Dline. The rooks will produce this year but not without A LOT of inconsistencies and learning curves that could cost us some W's. Quite frankly, with SD in our division, we can't afford any unpredictable Loses. I'm really not impressed with Graham to this point or his involvement in the offense - And it seems our real depth is at DB. This is insane to say, but wth, We should package one of our elite nickel DB's and Graham and trade for a decent DE - maybe throw in a draft pick and get supreme talent. It might be a little late, but after losing Ekuban, we are desperately in need of help. We can still pick up a training camp garage sale DE from any team, but we need a solid starter and a good leader on the DL.
broncosteven
08-20-2007, 02:09 PM
Patrick Kerney is looking like the deal we should have made happen right now - regardless of how productive he is, it would at least have solidified our Dline. The rooks will produce this year but not without A LOT of inconsistencies and learning curves that could cost us some W's. Quite frankly, with SD in our division, we can't afford any unpredictable Loses. I'm really not impressed with Graham to this point or his involvement in the offense - And it seems our real depth is at DB. This is insane to say, but wth, We should package one of our elite nickel DB's and Graham and trade for a decent DE - maybe throw in a draft pick and get supreme talent. It might be a little late, but after losing Ekuban, we are desperately in need of help. We can still pick up a training camp garage sale DE from any team, but we need a solid starter and a good leader on the DL.
Just like Cub Fans, we will have to wait until next year.
Sam Adams was our pickup and that will be it. I bet the Rooks get a lot of playing time this year so we will know if we had a good draft right away. I think until the D adapts to the new system it will be painful no matter who is brought in.
They should look at some cuts over next few weeks but we are not going to get a top level end before start of season. Anyway there are more problems right now than any one trade could fix...unless we trade with Deadskins...
Billy Clyde Puckett
08-20-2007, 04:00 PM
Lots of over reaction about EE. I really like him, but they will drop Lang into that spot to start the season and really won't lose much.
Rulon Velvet Jones
08-20-2007, 05:06 PM
Foxworth would start if traded to the Giants.
But maybe I'm just talking out of my ass.