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dragondawg
08-19-2007, 03:49 AM
Irving, Texas - Those Dallas Cowboys must be real proud.
Here it is mid-August, preseason game No. 2, yet the Cowboys played as if it's never too early to embarrass an injury-riddled opponent in a game that doesn't count.
The Cowboys had their way here Saturday night at muggy Texas Stadium, whipping the Broncos, their weeklong practice buddies, 31-20. Although an honest beating explained much of the outcome, the Broncos wondered if Cowboys coach Wade Phillips got a little carried away with trying to send some sort of preseason statement.
"I don't know if Wade's (ticked) off the Broncos fired him, but it sure looked that way," Broncos safety John Lynch said.
Lynch wanted to make it clear he was joking. But as a safety entering his 15th season, Lynch is qualified to know football's unwritten rules better than most. The Broncos played their base, seven-man front on defense Saturday and, because their offensive line is so banged up, tried to employ a conservative plan when they had the ball.
"That's not what they did," Lynch said. "They came out and game- planned us, blitzing every play. They came after us. It's no excuse for the way we played. But I think they might have broken the code of ethics for the preseason."
A few other Broncos, including quarterback Jay Cutler, shared similar feelings about the Cowboys getting a little too aggressive with their approach to a preseason game. Phillips seemed befuddled, even a little hurt, at the accusations he coached against the preseason protocol of fairness.
"It's nothing we didn't do all week in practice," said Phillips, who was fired after two seasons as Broncos head coach following the 1994 season, and replaced by Mike Shanahan.
Indeed, a primary reason the Broncos came down for two-a-day practices before the preseason game was to get accustomed to the 3-4 defense Phillips directed for the AFC West champion San Diego Chargers last year.
And just so there is no misunderstanding, the blitz is to the 3-4 defense what short passes are to the West Coast offense.
"It's what we ran against them in San Diego," Phillips said. "They blitzed us, too. We picked it up."
It could have been worse for Phillips. He got hurt only by words. Shanahan's team continues to get beat up physically. Running back Travis Henry and defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban had to be carried off the field Saturday.
Ekuban, who was about to start his third year in Denver, tore his right Achilles, an injury that will finish his season. Henry, the Broncos' biggest offseason prize, suffered what has been diagnosed as a first-degree sprain in the medial collateral ligament in his left knee. He will undergo an MRI today; if the first-degree sprain is confirmed, Henry should return before the regular season opener Sept. 9 at Buffalo.
Those injuries came after a practice week in which rookie defensive end Tim Crowder (sprained left ankle) and right tackle Adam Meadows (calf strain) suffered serious injuries.
The Broncos are closer to broken than battered. And the regular season is three weeks away.
It was the injury to Meadows, combined with physical setbacks to left guard Ben Hamilton (concussion), left tackle Ryan Harris (back surgery) and right tackle Jacob Rogers (knee), that left the Broncos' offensive line decimated for this game against the attacking Cowboys defense.
The Broncos' O-line situation was so desperate, Erik Pears had to play the entire first half at right tackle, then began the second half playing left guard for the second-team offense. Chad Mustard, a tight end when the week began, played right tackle in the second half Saturday.
The Cowboys showed no mercy. They harassed Jay Cutler on nearly every play, and the second-year quarterback endured some tough lessons.
"They did blitz a lot but that's not an excuse," Broncos center Tom Nalen said. "After the first series, we should have been prepared for it. We'll have to watch the film and learn from it."
With the first team playing so poorly on both sides of the ball - the Cowboys led 24-6 at halftime - Shanahan had his starters play the entire first half, or at least a half-quarter more than planned.
"We're not there yet, we've got a long ways to go," Shanahan said. "One of the reasons our defensive starters stayed out there through the first half is because I felt we needed that cohesiveness. Hopefully, it'll come to us pretty quickly."
Broncos by the numbers
6 Scores (four touchdowns, two field goals) by the opposing offense through the first nine preseason series against the Broncos' first-string defense.
1, 1 Sack by rookie Jarvis Moss and interception by veteran Dré Bly, the first in a Broncos uniform for both.
22, 5 Number of plays run by the Cowboys and the Broncos, with 2:28 left in the first quarter.
90 Yards in touchdown pass thrown by Broncos quarterback Patrick Ramsey to wide receiver Brian Clark, the third-longest scoring play in team preseason history.
5 Times the Cowboys faced a third-and-5 situation or longer and converted against Denver's top defense.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6660972
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 03:58 AM
The Crackboys have been talking all through training camp that Phillips 3-4 would be more agressive than Parcells 3-4 and played that way against the Colts too. There are to many injuries in the O-line to even form an opinion on how they'll be come September.
Bob's your Information Minister
08-19-2007, 04:35 AM
Sour grapes.
Killericon
08-19-2007, 04:42 AM
He blitzed enough to win. That's never too much.
SportinOne
08-19-2007, 05:14 AM
I'm not too worried about the performance. We played on four days rest, people. Add to that the weather, add to that it was the preseason, add to that our inuries, and i am not at all surprised at the results. Next week will be much better. At least that is what i am looking for.
What i AM worried about is the Henry injury. Obviously, i'm not the only one. Let's just cross our fingers on the MRI and hope he can make it back for Buffalo.
boltaneer
08-19-2007, 07:43 AM
Seattle blitzed the Chargers pretty hard last week.
Anyone catch the Patriot-Titans game? I know there is some bad blood there from last year's game but the Patriots were blitzing like it was the Super Bowl. And Brady was running no huddle and quick snaps all during the half. In a pre-season game? Was the crybaby got pissed about getting hammered over and over and throwing those two INTs.
It seems like some teams are pulling out all the stops in pre-season. Not that I think it's a bad thing necessarily (though I think the no-huddle thing is being an a-hole) but it's a bit surprising.
NaptownChief
08-19-2007, 09:21 AM
If they are going to blitz that much in the regular season then why the hell wouldn't they work on it in the preseason?
Are the Broncos so bad that they have to be treated like the disabled kid in gym class?
Rock Chalk
08-19-2007, 09:35 AM
If they are going to blitz that much in the regular season then why the hell wouldn't they work on it in the preseason?
Are the Broncos so bad that they have to be treated like the disabled kid in gym class?
It would seem so.
Everyone is whining but from what I remember about preseason last year, teams were blitzing a lot more than they had in previous years.
Cutler whining about it really pisses me off. We got SD in our division, he better get used to it. And no time like a preseason game to get in some good practice against heavy blitzing.
"It's what we ran against them in San Diego," Phillips said.
This is exactly why not a damn person should be complaining about this. Does it suck because about half our first and second team OL missed the game for various reasons? Yeah, sure. But this is what our offensive line needs. We've sucked against the 3-4 for too long, getting a quick and embarassing lesson to that end in pre-season is just what we needed to remind everyone of that fact.
Its the reason we spent the week practicing in Dallas to begin with, to address our lack of experience against the 3-4. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Shanahan told Phillips to not hold back. Probably not outright, but in some way applied that he wanted Phillips to bring the full scheme to bear whenever possible.
Northman
08-19-2007, 09:47 AM
Sour grapes.
Yea, have to agree with you there Boob. I dont like getting our asses handed to us and i know Wade probably has a grudge. But, just like Bronco fans shouldnt read too much into this game they and the team should also just let it go. Why the hell is Lynch whining? Its only preseason. The way i see it Wade has laid all his cards on the table and it will come to bite him in the ass later in the season. We got the next two preseason games at home, lets just concentrate on gearing up for that. Screw Wade.
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 10:15 AM
This is exactly why not a damn person should be complaining about this. Does it suck because about half our first and second team OL missed the game for various reasons? Yeah, sure. But this is what our offensive line needs. We've sucked against the 3-4 for too long, getting a quick and embarassing lesson to that end in pre-season is just what we needed to remind everyone of that fact.
Its the reason we spent the week practicing in Dallas to begin with, to address our lack of experience against the 3-4. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Shanahan told Phillips to not hold back. Probably not outright, but in some way applied that he wanted Phillips to bring the full scheme to bear whenever possible.
I have to say that you Donkey fans are really unbelievable. Denial aint just a river in Eygpt. You actually think that Shananananananahan and Baby Bum discussed gameplans WITH each other prior to this game? Or do you think that either team even showed a tenth of their playbook on a second preseason game. You guys are on crack....
That all being said; it was a preaseason matchup and dont mean crap.... Except that you found out how brittle your running backs actually are.
TailgateNut
08-19-2007, 10:18 AM
I have to say that you Donkey fans are really unbelievable. Denial aint just a river in Eygpt. You actually think that Shananananananahan and Baby Bum discussed gameplans WITH each other prior to this game? Or do you think that either team even showed a tenth of their playbook on a second preseason game. You guys are on crack....
That all being said; it was a preaseason matchup and dont mean crap.... Except that you found out how brittle your running backs actually are.
Pre-season losses mean squat, but an asshole will always smell like shiat!
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 10:20 AM
Pre-season losses mean squat, but an a-hole will always smell like shiat!
You definitely spend enough time with your nose in them to be an expert on that
Maximus
08-19-2007, 11:02 AM
It would seem so.
Everyone is whining but from what I remember about preseason last year, teams were blitzing a lot more than they had in previous years.
Cutler whining about it really pisses me off. We got SD in our division, he better get used to it. And no time like a preseason game to get in some good practice against heavy blitzing.
I certainly don't see the problem with it... Our offensive line is under scrutiny... I want to see how we hold up against the real thing in preseason.... not some vanilla bull****! I haven't watched the Raiders 9ers game yet but I hope they Blitzed!
ol number 7
08-19-2007, 11:19 AM
Sour grapes.
If Bob watch the Chiefs game I don't think Herm was talking sour grapes. More like we suck !!! Remeber you heard it right from King Carls mouth.
"Our only goal is to get the Lamar Hunt trophy back to Kansas City".
Did he not know there is another game ?? Been so long since they went I'm sure he forgot.
Stuck In Texas
08-19-2007, 11:20 AM
I'm definitely not happy with the offensive (and it WAS offensive) performance last night - the Broncos' line was in shambles, but I can live with that because of the injury situation. I'm more concerned with the defense. That's two games in a row where they have been non-existent. Unfortunately, I had to watch the game on the Cowboys' network, so I didn't hear what the good guys were saying, but it looks to me like Denver's linebackers are invisible.
I know that it's preseason and nobody should panic, but I would have liked to have seen some improvement over the game against the 49ers. Instead, it may have been even worse. The entire defense looks confused. There were several times that the defensive backs were looking around like they weren't sure what their responsibilities were only to be taken by surprise by the snap or the fact that one of the men went in motion and they had to scramble to reposition themselves. I won't even talk about calling a 4th timeout.
27atwater
08-19-2007, 11:37 AM
Wow, we sound like a bunch of biches if people outside of Denver read that article. Whining about blitzes in a football game? It's not the frickin pro-bowl.
Kaylore
08-19-2007, 11:47 AM
I definitely think Phillips wanted to send a message. I also wouldn't doubt that he wants to set a tone and win all the home games at any cost to try and win the fan base over. Phillips has been going against us for years so he knows how to game plan for our team and just decided to do so in the second preseason game for whatever reason. We can't control the type of defense opponents want to run at us. We can control how we adjust and Shanahan said we tried to and couldn't. I'm grateful this game came with two games to spare in preseason so we'll have time to adjust.
ROYC75
08-19-2007, 12:00 PM
Lynch and Ethics ? Really ? Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.......
But FTR, it's only preseason, The Cowgils only wanted to win for the fan base and this is nothing new on Wade Phillips installing his D in a preseason game, been doing that for years.
400HZ
08-19-2007, 12:05 PM
1) Wade loves to blitz, and Dallas hasn't been real blitz heavy in the past. It makes perfect sense that he would want his players to have some experience getting their fits. It's not like Dallas is the only team blitzing this preseason.
2) He's game planned against Denver twice a year since 2004.
3) He's not giving anything away. You can see the same blitz packages watching the Chargers last year.
4) He's a new coach in the wild ass Dallas market. You can't really blame him for not intentionally starting slow.
5) I respect John Lynch a lot and I can't believe he is whining about this.
TheChamp24
08-19-2007, 12:14 PM
I'm not whining here, just stating that Denver didn't game plan and was playing some vanilla crap while Dallas was treating this like a real game. Plain and simple, that kicked our asses because for some reason we didn't expect it.
Hopefully Shanahan learns from this and actually tries to give a damn in some preseason games in the future.
Greybeard
08-19-2007, 12:19 PM
Football is not the venue for a bunch of pansy whining.
Remember this, and take them to school the next time.
But don't make excuses as to why the Denver Broncos sucked on the field.
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Broncoman13
08-19-2007, 12:23 PM
If they are going to blitz that much in the regular season then why the hell wouldn't they work on it in the preseason?
Are the Broncos so bad that they have to be treated like the disabled kid in gym class?
I agree that the 3-4 is based on "blitzing." You'd never get any pressure with only 3 DLinemen rushing the passer. Denver came to Dallas to get some experience facing this defense as it's given them plenty of problems. Not sure why they're so upset? My guess is that the blitzes were aimed at the areas where we've faced the most injuries, but again that's part of the 3-4. Overload and try to get a man unblocked. It clearly confused our inexperienced OL and they certainly took advantage of Lepsis' injury.
Bottom line, practice how you play. If the Cowboys are going to run an aggressive 3-4 defense, it would only make sense for them to practice that at some point in live action. I can't same that I'm upset about them bringing that much pressure in a pre-season game. In fact, it will help us b/c it gives us some good film to study and learn from.
Last but not least... if Wade Phillips was mad and take it out against the Broncos then good for him. I personally love it when Shanny sets out to make the Raiders his biatch b/c of his previous dealings. I don't care if it's a preseason football game or a charity golf tournament. Good for Wade Phillips if that's the case. All about honor in this day and age. Our coach does it and I love it... I suspect the Cowboys (and their fans) will do the same.
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 12:25 PM
How bout dem Cowboys.... :strong:
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 12:28 PM
"That's not what they did," Lynch said. "They came out and game- planned us, blitzing every play. They came after us. It's no excuse for the way we played. But I think they might have broken the code of ethics for the preseason."
This guy really is a cry baby.... I watched the Chargers blitz the Rams all night; so be ready for it at least twice this season.
Broncoman13
08-19-2007, 12:28 PM
1) Wade loves to blitz, and Dallas hasn't been real blitz heavy in the past. It makes perfect sense that he would want his players to have some experience getting their fits. It's not like Dallas is the only team blitzing this preseason.
2) He's game planned against Denver twice a year since 2004.
3) He's not giving anything away. You can see the same blitz packages watching the Chargers last year.
4) He's a new coach in the wild ass Dallas market. You can't really blame him for not intentionally starting slow.
5) I respect John Lynch a lot and I can't believe he is whining about this.
Good post, even for a Chargeless fan.
Broncoman13
08-19-2007, 12:30 PM
"That's not what they did," Lynch said. "They came out and game- planned us, blitzing every play. They came after us. It's no excuse for the way we played. But I think they might have broken the code of ethics for the preseason."
This guy really is a cry baby.... I watched the Chargers blitz the Rams all night; so be ready for it at least twice this season.
Listen Micropeewee, if you're going to post and try and make a point at least understand what is going on around you.
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 12:40 PM
Listen Micropeewee, if you're going to post and try and make a point at least understand what is going on around you.
If your looking for a point, feel around the top of your head...
Broncoman13
08-19-2007, 12:46 PM
If your looking for a point, feel around the top of your head...
Did 11 and 12 year old Sunday School get out early today or what?
Come on genius, I'm sure you're gonna comeback with "you're here aren't you." So predictable. You don't even belong here, but I'm sure you'd fit fine in Bobo's basement!
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 12:49 PM
Did 11 and 12 year old Sunday School get out early today or what?
Why, are you dating again?
Broncoman13
08-19-2007, 12:54 PM
Yawn... I'm finished playing with the kids for now. No challenge and generally just wrong. Kind of like two boys kissing.
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 12:59 PM
Yawn... I'm finished playing with the kids for now. No challenge and generally just wrong. Kind of like two boys kissing.
Hmmm, this one is waaay too easy. Im just gonna suggest you consider actually reading your homoerotic and pedophiliac- insipired scribblings before posting them. That way you can avoid a visit from Chris Hanson
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 01:01 PM
Anyway, lets bring this back to football. How bout dem Cowboys...
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 01:05 PM
A few other Broncos, including quarterback Jay Cutler, shared similar feelings about the Cowboys getting a little too aggressive with their approach to a preseason game.
Am I the only one in here who thinks that before we drag Cutler and the rest of the team under the bus we ought to have something more to go on than the fact that he "shared similar feelings" about this? What does that mean exactly?
Maybe it means that Mike Klis stuck a mic in his face and said, "Hey Jay, were you surprised that the Cowboys blitzed as much as they did?" To which Cutler said, "yeah". I'm guessing here that if Mike Klis had anything substantial to add to Lynch's quote from any other Bronco he'd have gleefully printed it. So why didn't he? Even Lynch's quote might be blown out of proportion, removed from context or less meaningful devoid of our ability to analyze facial expressions, tone of voice, etc... Klis, in fact, seems to qualify the quote by stating point blank that "Lynch wanted to make it clear he was joking", so who knows if we're getting this accurately or not?
Having been interviewed by reporters...I have a healthy skeptism for what often follows in print.
no-pseudo-fan
08-19-2007, 01:10 PM
My biggest problem is that Dallas took advantage of Denver's willingness to play a vanilla scheme. They game planned us, blitzed where they knew we were inexperienced. We never sent more than 5 men at Romo. That is fine, you want to win in the preseason? The Raiders where undefeated last preseason, what good that did them.
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 01:12 PM
Am I the only one in here who thinks that before we drag Cutler and the rest of the team under the bus we ought to have something more to go on than the fact that he "shared similar feelings" about this? What does that mean exactly?
Maybe it means that Mike Klis stuck a mic in his face and said, "Hey Jay, were you surprised that the Cowboys blitzed as much as they did?" To which Cutler said, "yeah". I'm guessing here that if Mike Klis had anything substantial to add to Lynch's quote from any other Bronco he'd have gleefully printed it. So why didn't he? Even Lynch's quote might be blown out of proportion, removed from context or less meaningful devoid of our ability to analyze facial expressions, tone of voice, etc... Klis, in fact, seems to qualify the quote by stating point blank that "Lynch wanted to make it clear he was joking", so who knows if we're getting this accurately or not?
Having been interviewed by reporters...I have a healthy skeptism for what often follows in print.
Trueism...Its the sportswriters job to get the fan based frenzied by creating controversies. Like I said before, this game dont count and it doesnt hurt for a young guy like Cutler to see lots of blitzing when the games still DONT COUNT
Popps
08-19-2007, 01:13 PM
This guy really is a cry baby.....
Yea, John Lynch has a reputation as a real pussy around the NFL.
bigpeewee
08-19-2007, 01:14 PM
My biggest problem is that Dallas took advantage of Denver's willingness to play a vanilla scheme. They game planned us, blitzed where they knew we were inexperienced. We never sent more than 5 men at Romo. That is fine, you want to win in the preseason? The Raiders where undefeated last preseason, what good that did them.
Oh so now Dallas TOOK ADVANTAGE of Denver? You are really unbelievable. Your D couldnt get to Romo if you sent the whole front seven at him. The only good part of your defense is the corners.
400HZ
08-19-2007, 01:16 PM
"That's not what they did," Lynch said. "They came out and game- planned us, blitzing every play. They came after us. It's no excuse for the way we played. But I think they might have broken the code of ethics for the preseason."
This guy really is a cry baby.... I watched the Chargers blitz the Rams all night; so be ready for it at least twice this season.
The Chargers blitzed two, maybe three times. Sending 4 guys isn't a blitz. Of course the Charger players are already familiar with a blitzing scheme, and so it makes more sense to give the secondary more challenging looks. It's a different situation in Dallas with Wade. His guys are playing a new system this year.
Moon§hiner
08-19-2007, 01:24 PM
I have no problem with the C'boy game plan....I hope something positive came out of it by teaching these guys that they have to come out and make every drive count, or else you can get in a hole real fast like they did last night.
theodnixon
08-19-2007, 01:27 PM
Lack of Performance, wins/ loss, preseason ethics should mean nothing to us at this point....
injuries should concern us...What is concerning about this game is regardless of preseason game it is-lets give the second and third strings the valuable playing time they need. Save the starters, find some unsung heroes-
I know Bates is new and the D needs to gel- Is that really going to be fixed by playing your starters in two preseason games? Why should that distract from the main point of preseason to stay healthy and find your roster?
Greybeard
08-19-2007, 01:29 PM
I have no problem with the C'boy game plan....I hope something positive came out of it by teaching these guys that they have to come out and make every drive count, or else you can get in a hole real fast like they did last night.
Moreover, it is Football 101 that the chances of injury are greater when you're
catching the punishment, than it is what you're delivering it.
Could that be part of the problem here?
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footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 01:30 PM
Lack of Performance, wins/ loss, preseason ethics should mean nothing to us at this point....
injuries should concern us...What is concerning about this game is regardless of preseason game it is-lets give the second and third strings the valuable playing time they need. Save the starters, find some unsung heroes-
I know Bates is new and the D needs to gel- Is that really going to be fixed by playing your starters in two preseason games? Why should that distract from the main point of preseason to stay healthy and find your roster?
Most sensible thing I've heard yet.
Greybeard
08-19-2007, 01:50 PM
1) Wade loves to blitz, and Dallas hasn't been real blitz heavy in the past. It makes perfect sense that he would want his players to have some experience getting their fits. It's not like Dallas is the only team blitzing this preseason.
2) He's game planned against Denver twice a year since 2004.
3) He's not giving anything away. You can see the same blitz packages watching the Chargers last year.
4) He's a new coach in the wild ass Dallas market. You can't really blame him for not intentionally starting slow.
5) I respect John Lynch a lot and I can't believe he is whining about this.
I didn't take Lynch's comment as whining. He did qualify it with "that's no
excuse for the way we played." He was just reflecting on his opinion as to
how Dallas went about their business at the time.
Understand that this was immediately following the game, when emotions
were still high and disappointment running deep. I just don't view his remark
in the same context as I do the whining I've seen here.
Bates has decided to do his thing on the sideline, rather than upstairs. This
being the case, I would have like to have known that, once he realized what
Dallas was doing, he went to his players and said something to the effect of,
"If there is a pair of cajones on this entire squad, you'll go out there and take
their heads off for them."
After all, this is football, isn't it?
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I have to say that you Donkey fans are really unbelievable. Denial aint just a river in Eygpt. You actually think that Shananananananahan and Baby Bum discussed gameplans WITH each other prior to this game? Or do you think that either team even showed a tenth of their playbook on a second preseason game. You guys are on crack....
That all being said; it was a preaseason matchup and dont mean crap.... Except that you found out how brittle your running backs actually are.
Did I say they discussed gameplans? No. But they have been practicing together for a week, do you really think there was never a discussion between the two in which Shanahan could've said something simple like "looking forward to an intense preseason game"?
I'm not saying he did, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had. This was the very reason Shanahan scheduled this week with Dallas, to get plenty of 3-4 exposure. It wouldn't do a damn bit of good if come the actual game Dallas played a conservative defense that didn't apply any pressure because that isn't what the 3-4 is all about. Is it such a stretch to think he dropped a few comments heavily implying that he wanted Phillips to do just that?
Sarcastro
08-19-2007, 02:23 PM
Teams blitz and game-plan a lot in the preseason now and days. In the Chiefs two games so far, Cleveland was blitz crazy the entire game, and Miami went no -huddle for just about the entire first half. Teams, and especially coaches, just seem to be like that now.
Paladin
08-19-2007, 07:22 PM
As I said in an earlier post, Phillips needed to win this Exhibition game more than Denver did, and the game planning and blitzing and general level of intenisity was much higher for Dullass.
The way it goes sometimes. BFD.
Game is still meaningless, though. What will count is when the bell goes off the start of the season.
What ails the Broncos? I think they were just flat out unprepared for what they got. Now, I do think some of the Broncos are gonna be pi$$ed, and I hope they take it out on the Browns. And maybe concentrate more on learning and executing the system they are playing.
Then they can beat up on the mullets who have smart mouthed fans who disrespect their own women...... And their mothers......
BigDFan5
08-19-2007, 08:10 PM
Dallas didn't "gameplan" the game they ran the same plays they ran in practice against the Broncos all week. they blitzed yes, but thats what their defense is going to do all year preseason is for practice therefore they practiced their scheme
~Crash~
08-19-2007, 08:13 PM
I have to say that you Donkey fans are really unbelievable. Denial aint just a river in Eygpt. You actually think that Shananananananahan and Baby Bum discussed gameplans WITH each other prior to this game? Or do you think that either team even showed a tenth of their playbook on a second preseason game. You guys are on crack....
That all being said; it was a preaseason matchup and dont mean crap.... Except that you found out how brittle your running backs actually are.
nothing major wrong with our RB's but I belive you just Jinxed your teams RB'sLOL
Bronco Yoda
08-19-2007, 08:41 PM
I'm glad the Cowboys threw everything at us. It will only make us stronger. We need all the full speed work against the 3-4 we can get.
Wade's blitzing did not cause our Defense to look like shiit.
Bob's your Information Minister
08-19-2007, 08:51 PM
Broncos whining too much?
~Crash~
08-19-2007, 08:54 PM
I'm glad the Cowboys threw everything at us. It will only make us stronger. We need all the full speed work against the 3-4 we can get.
Agreed we need as much work as possible against 3-4:thumbs:
~Crash~
08-19-2007, 08:55 PM
Wade's blitzing did not cause our Defense to look like shiit.
nope that is for sure our 1st team looked like crap . our 2nd string looked way better !
~Crash~
08-19-2007, 08:57 PM
who was playing MLB the second half ? and do you think he played any better than Willams ?
Watchthemiddle
08-19-2007, 09:17 PM
Funny how the Chef fans have the loudest mouths on here. SHouldn't you guys be talking about your spectacular 11-10 showing against Miami that resulted in a lose??
Hilarious!
mhgaffney
08-19-2007, 09:23 PM
The injuries are killing us. The season could be over before it starts.
Denver obviously needs some help. The help is available -- and it's called Acu-touch -- a new technique for healing injured players faster then ever before. I pointed this out in a recent thread -- and was met with ridicule.
Pat Bowlen -- I know you read this board -- are you listening?
Please tell Shanahan to bring Mamoru Yamaichi out to Denver for a trial. Here's the necessary information:
www.acu-touch.com
Mamoru helped the 49ers win at least one one their SBs. And he could help Denver -- as well.
When Shanny sees how well this new healing modality works he will probably offer Mamoru a huge bonus on the spot and a contract. We need to keep him around for the season -- to work with our wounded athletes.
The closed minded posters on this board evidently are not serious about returning to the SB. The return path runs through some exciting new territory. It's called Acu-Touch.
Get used to the name. You are going to hear it often in the future.
Bronx33
08-19-2007, 09:31 PM
Play calling and the players reactions were completely on a different page as the game put in front of them by the star heads, shyt happens move one get ready for game 3.
footstepsfrom#27
08-19-2007, 09:48 PM
The injuries are killing us. The season could be over before it starts.
Denver obviously needs some help. The help is available -- and it's called Acu-touch -- a new technique for healing injured players faster then ever before. I pointed this out in a recent thread -- and was met with ridicule.
Pat Bowlen -- I know you read this board -- are you listening?
Please tell Shanahan to bring Mamoru Yamaichi out to Denver for a trial. Here's the necessary information:
www.acu-touch.com
Mamoru helped the 49ers win at least one one their SBs. And he could help Denver -- as well.
When Shanny sees how well this new healing modality works he will probably offer Mamoru a huge bonus on the spot and a contract. We need to keep him around for the season -- to work with our wounded athletes.
The closed minded posters on this board evidently are not serious about returning to the SB. The return path runs through some exciting new territory. It's called Acu-Touch.
Get used to the name. You are going to hear it often in the future.
:puff:
BroncoBuff
08-19-2007, 11:39 PM
For once I agree with boob too. Whinily complaining "you guys played too mean" is not a compelling argument to make ...
cambrad8085
08-20-2007, 12:14 AM
Broncos CRYING Foul On Phillips (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-2-237/Broncos-CRYING-Foul-On-Phillips.html) http://assets.espn.go.com/profile/i/trans/icon_report_hi.gif (http://myespn.go.com/profile/violation?ou=hashmarksadmin&at=7&vid=1187550885226)
August 19, 2007 3:14 PM
Just when I'd finally made peace with the Broncos, several players went public last night with allegations that Wade Phillips coached way too hard (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_6660972) in the Cowboys' 31-20 preseason victory at Texas Stadium.
The Broncos even attributed injuries to defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban (a former Cowboys first-round pick) and running back Travis Henry to mean old Wade, who was apparently exacting revenge for his firing in Denver 13 years ago.
Veteran safety John Lynch noted that his team stuck with its base, seven-man front, and took measures to protect its injury-riddled offensive line with conservative play-calling.
Cue the string section.
"That's not what they did," Lynch said. "They came out and game- planned us, blitzing every play. They came after us. It's no excuse for the way we played. But I think they might have broken the code of ethics for the preseason."
Apparently quarterback Jay Cutler also joined in the whine tasting event in the visitor's locker room. Never mind that he's started five games in the league, and might see a couple of blitzes at some point this season.
Contrary to popular belief in this forum, I'm more than willing to rip the Cowboys when they're in the wrong. But in this case, you have a new head coach who is trying to implement a different defensive philosophy, as Tim Cowlishaw points out. (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/tcowlishaw/stories/081907dnspocowlishaw.37f09cb.html)
And he had one proven pass-rusher on the field last night.
I still think the Broncos have a chance to make some noise in the AFC, but the only thing I hear right now is a bunch of sniffling.
Losing a preseason game means nothing at this point. Losing your pride is a different story.
Matt Mosley
Matt Mosley, an award-winning writer for The Dallas Morning News for seven years, joined ESPN.com in January 2007. Mosley, a Baylor graduate, writes columns, features and blogs for ESPN.com.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-2-237/Broncos-CRYING-Foul-On-Phillips.html
I don't know if this has been posted yet.
Greybeard
08-20-2007, 12:59 AM
Broncos whining too much?
Shouldn't you be somewhere wet-nursing somebody?
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footstepsfrom#27
08-20-2007, 02:15 AM
For once I agree with boob too. Whinily complaining "you guys played too mean" is not a compelling argument to make ...
BB...read the story carefully. Klis's only quote comes from Lynch, who he specifically says made it clear he was kidding. Then he references vague comments from other Broncos, including Cutler, NONE of whom he actually quotes. Why?
Because he had no quotes worth using...or he obviously would have used them.
Klis is simply trying to stir up controversy so he can get some Woody Paige-like attention.
Bronco LB 59
08-20-2007, 03:17 AM
I didn't take Lynch's comment as whining. He did qualify it with "that's no
excuse for the way we played." He was just reflecting on his opinion as to
how Dallas went about their business at the time.
Understand that this was immediately following the game, when emotions
were still high and disappointment running deep. I just don't view his remark
in the same context as I do the whining I've seen here.
Bates has decided to do his thing on the sideline, rather than upstairs. This
being the case, I would have like to have known that, once he realized what
Dallas was doing, he went to his players and said something to the effect of,
"If there is a pair of cajones on this entire squad, you'll go out there and take
their heads off for them."
After all, this is football, isn't it?
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Bingo! It's easy to blow up a guy's quote and make a 4 hour sports talk show out of it and blast a guy. Thanks for noting that Lynch did mention "there are no excuses", nobody seems to be talking about that part of the quote.
Actions speak louder than words and Lynch doesn't have to answer to anybody since he brings his lunch pail to work everytime.
no-pseudo-fan
08-20-2007, 09:00 AM
Oh so now Dallas TOOK ADVANTAGE of Denver? You are really unbelievable. Your D couldnt get to Romo if you sent the whole front seven at him. The only good part of your defense is the corners.
bigpeewee?! Trying to big ironic? How about changing it to littlebrainpower? You know so much about what the Broncos can and can't do, enlighten us! How many times did the Broncos Blitz Romo? In your "expert" opinion did it look like Denver was trying to win a game, or evaluate talent? I can honestly say that you have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you should stick to things you know about, because Football doesn't seem to be one of them.
broncsyanks
08-20-2007, 10:09 AM
its week 2 of the preseason. please i loved the fact that cutler got the kitchen sink thrown at him now. wade did us a favor in showing cutler what some defenses might be planning for us. its a wake up call.
CHANGSTER
08-20-2007, 05:45 PM
They just talked about this on PTI. Missed the beginning but at the end Wilbon was saying its an unwritten rule that teams don't blitz in pre season until this game. Anyone catch this, got a recap?
CHANGSTER
08-20-2007, 06:12 PM
Bumpin for a recap