Lynch lone bright spot for Denver in defeat

[dragondawg]

Irving, Texas — If the first-string Broncos took anything from their embarrassing preseason performance here tonight, it's that John Lynch is far from washed up.

A month away from his 36th birthday, Lynch is the NFL's oldest defensive back. Yet, if Lynch wasn't coming up to make a tackle or break up a pass in the first quarter, the Dallas Cowboys weren't stopping.

Thing is, Lynch is a safety. When the team's safety is making tackle after tackle, the defense generally has a problem.

The Broncos have some problems.

This may only be the preseason. The best part about the Broncos losing 31-20 to the Dallas Cowboys at Texas Stadium was that it didn't count.

Just the same, perhaps the Broncos should table discussions about pushing for the Super Bowl. They can get back into the conversation later. There's still plenty of time.

But let there be no doubt, the Broncos have to improve considerably if they are to become a playoff-caliber team this year.

The Broncos played as if they've been together for only a couple of weeks. Which is the case with its overhauled roster, particularly on defense. Apparently, Jim Bates' new defensive system comes with a slow learning curve. The first-string defense has allowed 34 points in roughly three preseason quarters.

For many reasons, the Broncos' near weeklong stay here in the steaming heat of north Texas did not go well. The steaming heat was one of the reasons. All those practices in temperatures in the triple digits may have zapped the energy from the unaccustomed Broncos by game time.

There was also the distraction of Gerard Warren's non-trade. The defensive tackle was starting in the final week of training camp, but was left home from this preseason trip to San Francisco and Texas. When the team returned home early Sunday morning, however, Warren remained officially a Bronco.

More concerning is the team's overall well-being. Running back Travis Henry and defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban had to be carried off the field during the game. Ekuban suffered a strained right Achilles, an injury that has the frightening sound of possible season-ending implications.

Henry, the Broncos' biggest offseason prize, suffered a sprained left knee, although he was able to limp off the field unaided. Nickel safety Curome Cox (shoulder strain) and backup running back Mike Bell (hip strain) also left with game-ending injuries.

Those injuries came after a practice week in which rookie defensive end Tim Crowder (sprained left ankle) and right tackle Adam Meadows (calf strain) went down with serious injuries.

It was the injury to Meadows, combined with physical setbacks to left guard Ben Hamilton (concussion), left tackle Ryan Harris (back surgery) and right tackle Jacob Rogers (knee) that left the Broncos' offensive line decimated for this game against the 3-4 attacking Cowboys defense.

The Broncos are closer to broken than battered. And the regular season is three weeks away.

The Broncos' O-line situation was so desperate, Erik Pears had to play the entire first half at right tackle, then began the second half playing left guard for the second-team offense. Chad Mustard, a tight end when the week began, played right tackle in the second half Saturday. Mustard also ran a tackle-eligible pattern right into tight end Nate Jackson in the back of the end zone on a third-and-goal play from the 2. Naturally, such imprecision left the pass caught by no one.

The Cowboys showed no mercy. They harassed Jay Cutler on nearly every play, and the Broncos' second-year quarterback endured some tough lessons learned. With the first team playing so poorly on both sides of the ball, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan had his starters play the entire first half, or at least half-a-quarter more than planned.

Cutler and the outmanned Broncos offense managed just two, first-half field goals with both of those scoring drives starting well into Cowboy territory.

The night wasn't a complete disaster. Despite the second string's patched up offensive line, quarterback Patrick Ramsey threw touchdown passes of 90 yards to Brian Clark and 5 yards to Quincy Morgan. Nate Webster may have secured the starting strongside linebacker spot. Lynch was in on four tackles before the game was 10 minutes old, but he wasn't the only Bronco defensive back who showed toughness.

Champ Bailey led the Broncos' first team with six tackles, one more than strong safety Nick Ferguson. Dré Bly had an interception and was in on four tackles.

Add it up and the Broncos' secondary was making way too many tackles. When the secondary leads the team in tackles, chances are the team has some work to do.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6654752

[theAPAOps5]

Lone bright spot my Bob, Dre bly had an INT and a FB caused. Or did the writer just ignore that.

[Watchthemiddle]

Lynch had a good game but its never a good sign when your Safety is making that many plays in the secondary.

I would add Bly and Webster to that bright spot also.

Other then that, offense left something to be disired as did the rest of the defense.

[bpc]

We have a lot of work to do... if things continue this way, i'm going to hope for a season like the Titans had last year or the year the Redskins had in Schottenheimers first year. We have a ways to go in the physicality and toughness department...

[Odysseus]

I am not a fair weather Broncos fan but everything that happened game one preseason told me everything I needed to know about this Broncos team.

Win or lose it's going to a hot and cold season. They could get in the playoffs on wobbly legs but it's going to be a long and brutal race to the finish. They are already WAAAAY too banged up as a team to not lose a key starter before middle of the season. What? Are they going to suddenly get healthier?

I'm going to watch the games like I normally do but my expectations have gone waaaaay down. They have a lot of things working against them and it's going to be interesting to see what they do to make things right.

[blake0052]

Lone bright spot my Bob, Dre bly had an INT and a FB caused. Or did the writer just ignore that.

didn't matter at that point. we were down 21-3 and had looked like *&6$ the entire first half. I went into training camp with the mindset that our D was gonna carry us this year. Cutler better grow up quick...he looked more frazzled tonight then he ever did last season. Can we say GAMEPLAN. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt tonight (the fact that maybe he was expecting a vanilla D) but one has to be concerned, even if it was a preseason game.

[Al Wilson]

You guys need to relax. From what I've seen , the Broncos been playing vanilla defense all preseason. No need to worry.

[DukeWoody]

I think Bly did very well in his perfomance tonight and i also think teams are going to test Bailey alot more this season... Bailey may have to come up and play some more press to change it up and confuse the OF more with a mix and match type of play...I believe the press part is being held under raps for now and won't be shown until one of the regular season games when it is really needed..

[blake0052]

I think Bly did very well in his perfomance tonight and i also think teams are going to test Bailey alot more this season... Bailey may have to come up and play some more press to change it up and confuse the OF more with a mix and match type of play...I believe the press part is being held under raps for now and won't be shown until one of the regular season games when it is really needed..

that also will be of secondary concern if our line cannot consistenly stop the run. Maybe it's because his helmet pops off every time he tackles or its the fact that he's making plays, but, Nate Webster looks like Bates' Zach Thomas kind of LB. Let DJ sink back into obscurity or take over Gold's spot. Seriously people, our logjam is not at DL, it's at LB. It's time to jump on my bandwagon folks, i'm gonna win the powerball and buy the donks. Shananigans won't ever see it coming.

Problems Solved:thumbsup:

[dragondawg]

webster needs a new helmet strap, it seems to fall out a lot

[DukeWoody]

that also will be of secondary concern if our line cannot consistenly stop the run. Maybe it's because his helmet pops off every time he tackles or its the fact that he's making plays, but, Nate Webster looks like Bates' Zach Thomas kind of LB. Let DJ sink back into obscurity or take over Gold's spot. Seriously people, our logjam is not at DL, it's at LB. It's time to jump on my bandwagon folks, i'm gonna win the powerball and buy the donks. Shananigans won't ever see it coming.

Problems Solved:thumbsup:

I agree with you, i did watch DJ overpersue on one to many plays tonight and overall I have concerns about our WLB position along with the MLB positions...Not much you can do now, but DJ is much better suited at WLB, and MLB still needs too be found (in the draft or FA next year)..Its only preseason and we have some time, but i think our main concerns are still with both lines...On our DF line we finally made some moves but things don't transform over night and we'll need another good draft before we really see any results...
On the OF line i'm really getting sick of the neglect, and really think we need to spend a couple high draft picks within the next year or two, too try and start to turn this weakness around..The guys we have there now are, old (Nalan is our best OL, go figure) undrafted, undersized, low round picks, converts from TE to TC, injured players trying to hang on, and last second switches in positions...Now if this isn't an oversight and complete arrogance by the coaching staff, then i don't know what is...

[Garcia Bronco]

Lone bright spot...this guy obvioulsy didn't keep watching the game.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think Bly did very well in his perfomance tonight and i also think teams are going to test Bailey alot more this season... Bailey may have to come up and play some more press to change it up and confuse the OF more with a mix and match type of play...I believe the press part is being held under raps for now and won't be shown until one of the regular season games when it is really needed..

The they'll test their own embrassment

[DukeWoody]

hmmm...

Help me follow along Garc....

[sirhcyennek81]

PRE-Season. This sucks because we last Ekuban for the year and Henry got nicked...but its preseason. Chill out.


:Broncos:

[Cito Pelon]

Lynch, Bly, Bailey, Dumervil, Moss seemed like they all played well. Marshall, Ramsey, Sapp, Clark seemed like they all played well. Why many of Denver's defensive guys didn't fight through blocks, and why the O guys couldn't sustain blocks, I don't know. We'll see what happens next week and the week after.

[sgbfan]

I only saws the second half, but Brian Clark looked pretty good. I am starting to like the way he competes. He was a knee away from catching that touchdown pass he knocked away from the defender.

[Stuck In Texas]

Lynch, Bly, Bailey, Dumervil, Moss seemed like they all played well. Marshall, Ramsey, Sapp, Clark seemed like they all played well. Why many of Denver's defensive guys didn't fight through blocks, and why the O guys couldn't sustain blocks, I don't know. We'll see what happens next week and the week after.

I would add Engleberger to that list. I thought he brought consitent pressure.

[lazarus4444]

I'd say Bly was definitly a bright spot. Still wishing for a pass rush, without one of those we're a 9-7 team every year.

[sirhcyennek81]

One bad preseason game and the world suddenly ends. Consider, Broncos were in Texas all week, it was a short week, Broncos did nothing complex offensively or defensively, and they had to fly from Denver to San Fran to Dallas. Thats alot of time away from home.

:Broncos:

[brian85in]

in roughly 3 quarters of play? Answer: ZERO! 10 point to the 49ers in 1 qtr and 24 to Dallas in 2 quarters. For thos who are not concerned...you should be.

Some live game notes from last night:
Sam Adams particularly drew my ire as I watched him in person get pancaked by Leonard Davis on Marion Barber's 2nd TD run. (if anyone has a you tube vclip of that it is disgusting to watch--kind of like watching your older brother who you look up to get his A$$ kicked)For us to hang our run defense's hopes on a mid 30's DT who has a history of injury problems is playign with fire and quite honestly I question that man's desire to play football and nto just cash a paycheck. DJ williams is NOT as bad as everyone is making him out to be on this board--it is our DL. Jimmy Kennedy was blown up on a few occassions as well but quite honestly that wwas not as surprising as seeing adams get dominated--I really have a hard to believing that our desire to trade/cut Gerrard warren is based on anything other than some personality friction between he and Bates esepcially qith the lack of talent at DT that we possess.

Our OL , granted was playing without 2 starters, but it looked eerily familiar to the lines that Plummer had played behind the last 2 years...seldom any semblence of a pocket and when another team blitzes, we NEVER are able to pick it up. The difference between this offense and the offenses of our glory years in '97-99 is the pedigree of offensive lineman that we possessed-(our skill positions are only a notch below in my opinion) -that should be our focus in the draft for the next few years. I cannot imagine how horrific it would have been without the presence of nalen and Lepsis last night but that is a real possibility next year Bronco Fans.

Nate Jackson ran great routes and quite honestly is almost a clone of Scheffler---if Jay/ Patrick had a little more time--he was open quite often and would have had a great stat line. Teh overral tone from last night remains this--the Broncos simply are not physical enough defensively ---and with LT and LJ and potentially Lamont Jordan getting back ito from from 2 years ago--we could be in a world of trouble in our own division. We may be relying of Jay more often than not this year..............

[Broncoman13]

I gotta wonder if Tuten is overrated around here. Perhaps he pushes the players a tad too hard? Not sure what it is but you can't argue that we've been one of the more injured teams in the past 4 or 5 years. Might be reaching, but conditioning or over-conditioning could play a roll in injuries.

[brian85in]

in roughly 3 quarters of play? Answer: ZERO! 10 point to the 49ers in 1 qtr and 24 to Dallas in 2 quarters. For those who are not concerned...you should be.

Some live game notes from last night:
Sam Adams particularly drew my ire as I watched him in person get pancaked by Leonard Davis on Marion Barber's 2nd TD run. (if anyone has a you tube vclip of that , it is disgusting to watch--kind of like watching your older brother who you look up to get his A$$ kicked)For us to hang our run defense's hopes on a mid 30's DT who has a history of injury problems is playing with fire and quite honestly I question that man's desire to play football and not just cash a paycheck after watchig him in person. If he was so stout..why did we run at will against cincy as did other teams? DJ williams is NOT as bad as everyone is making him out to be on this board--it is our DL. Jimmy Kennedy was blown up on a few occassions as well but quite honestly that was not as surprising as seeing adams get dominated on more than one occassion--I really have a hard to believing that our desire to trade/cut Gerrard warren is based on anything other than some personality friction between he and Bates especially with the lack of talent at DT that we possess.

Our OL , granted was playing without 2 starters, but it looked eerily familiar to the lines that Plummer had played behind the last 2 years...seldom any semblence of a pocket and when another team blitzes, we NEVER are able to pick it up. The difference between this offense and the offenses of our glory years in '97-99 is the pedigree of offensive lineman that we possessed-(our skill positions are only a notch below in my opinion) -that should be our focus in the draft for the next few years. I cannot imagine how horrific it would have been without the presence of nalen and Lepsis last night but that is a real possibility in 2008 Bronco Fans.

Nate Jackson ran great routes and quite honestly is almost a clone of Scheffler---if Jay/ Patrick had a little more time--he was open quite often and would have had a great stat line. The overrall tone from last night remains this--the Broncos simply are not physical enough defensively ---and with LT and LJ and potentially Lamont Jordan getting back ito from from 2 years ago--we could be in a world of trouble in our own division. We may be relying of Jay more often than not this year and with our OL, it could be a LONG year..............

[Broncoman13]

in roughly 3 quarters of play? Answer: ZERO! 10 point to the 49ers in 1 qtr and 24 to Dallas in 2 quarters. For those who are not concerned...you should be.

Some live game notes from last night:
Sam Adams particularly drew my ire as I watched him in person get pancaked by Leonard Davis on Marion Barber's 2nd TD run. (if anyone has a you tube vclip of that , it is disgusting to watch--kind of like watching your older brother who you look up to get his A$$ kicked)For us to hang our run defense's hopes on a mid 30's DT who has a history of injury problems is playing with fire and quite honestly I question that man's desire to play football and not just cash a paycheck after watchig him in person. If he was so stout..why did we run at will against cincy as did other teams? DJ williams is NOT as bad as everyone is making him out to be on this board--it is our DL. Jimmy Kennedy was blown up on a few occassions as well but quite honestly that was not as surprising as seeing adams get dominated on more than one occassion--I really have a hard to believing that our desire to trade/cut Gerrard warren is based on anything other than some personality friction between he and Bates especially with the lack of talent at DT that we possess.

Our OL , granted was playing without 2 starters, but it looked eerily familiar to the lines that Plummer had played behind the last 2 years...seldom any semblence of a pocket and when another team blitzes, we NEVER are able to pick it up. The difference between this offense and the offenses of our glory years in '97-99 is the pedigree of offensive lineman that we possessed-(our skill positions are only a notch below in my opinion) -that should be our focus in the draft for the next few years. I cannot imagine how horrific it would have been without the presence of nalen and Lepsis last night but that is a real possibility in 2008 Bronco Fans.

Nate Jackson ran great routes and quite honestly is almost a clone of Scheffler---if Jay/ Patrick had a little more time--he was open quite often and would have had a great stat line. The overrall tone from last night remains this--the Broncos simply are not physical enough defensively ---and with LT and LJ and potentially Lamont Jordan getting back ito from from 2 years ago--we could be in a world of trouble in our own division. We may be relying of Jay more often than not this year and with our OL, it could be a LONG year..............

You know, I was going to say to step away from that edge but instead I'll just wish for a strong wind and hope for the best.

[sirhcyennek81]

in roughly 3 quarters of play? Answer: ZERO! 10 point to the 49ers in 1 qtr and 24 to Dallas in 2 quarters. For those who are not concerned...you should be.

Some live game notes from last night:
Sam Adams particularly drew my ire as I watched him in person get pancaked by Leonard Davis on Marion Barber's 2nd TD run. (if anyone has a you tube vclip of that , it is disgusting to watch--kind of like watching your older brother who you look up to get his A$$ kicked)For us to hang our run defense's hopes on a mid 30's DT who has a history of injury problems is playing with fire and quite honestly I question that man's desire to play football and not just cash a paycheck after watchig him in person. If he was so stout..why did we run at will against cincy as did other teams? DJ williams is NOT as bad as everyone is making him out to be on this board--it is our DL. Jimmy Kennedy was blown up on a few occassions as well but quite honestly that was not as surprising as seeing adams get dominated on more than one occassion--I really have a hard to believing that our desire to trade/cut Gerrard warren is based on anything other than some personality friction between he and Bates especially with the lack of talent at DT that we possess.

Our OL , granted was playing without 2 starters, but it looked eerily familiar to the lines that Plummer had played behind the last 2 years...seldom any semblence of a pocket and when another team blitzes, we NEVER are able to pick it up. The difference between this offense and the offenses of our glory years in '97-99 is the pedigree of offensive lineman that we possessed-(our skill positions are only a notch below in my opinion) -that should be our focus in the draft for the next few years. I cannot imagine how horrific it would have been without the presence of nalen and Lepsis last night but that is a real possibility in 2008 Bronco Fans.

Nate Jackson ran great routes and quite honestly is almost a clone of Scheffler---if Jay/ Patrick had a little more time--he was open quite often and would have had a great stat line. The overrall tone from last night remains this--the Broncos simply are not physical enough defensively ---and with LT and LJ and potentially Lamont Jordan getting back ito from from 2 years ago--we could be in a world of trouble in our own division. We may be relying of Jay more often than not this year and with our OL, it could be a LONG year..............


Jesus...You realize our defensive line has 6 first round and 2 2nd round picks on it? Thats not a lack of talent. That DJ has never played MLB? That as a whole, our team will have 11 new starters from this time a year ago? IF Jackson is a clone of sheffler...he would make an impact in December, not in August. That its the 2nd preseason game of the season and this game does not ****ing matter? Are you even aware of these things?

:Broncos:

[BroncoBuff]

Lone bright spot my Bob, Dre bly had an INT and a FB caused. Or did the writer just ignore that.
He caused that fumble officially? Well I'll be Bobbed! It looked like Webster on the replay. I love Dre, but he does tackle like a sissy :curtsey: - those guys on the Lions board told us that, and Dre kinda proved it last night. He also proved they were right in calling him a big play turnover machine. Two in one half is really amazing ... especially when the chips were down like last night.

Lynch did look damn good, but Klis is wrong to say he was the LONE bright spot. Patrick Ramsey, Paul Ernster, Jeff Shoate and Marcus Thomas all looked pretty good .. especially Ramsey. Brian Clark also looked good, but after the great TD catch, he seemed kinda giddy. He dropped a first down pass and downed a kickoff he shouldda returned.

Lynch is coming on 36 though. I tried to anoint Steve Cargile the strong safety of the future last week, but he disappeared in Dallas (except when Reggie Rivers was reminiscing about his jersey number :clown:). I still think Cargile and Abdullah are the backups now and likely future starters ... I just can't see Curome Cox starting.

[~Crash~]

in roughly 3 quarters of play? Answer: ZERO! 10 point to the 49ers in 1 qtr and 24 to Dallas in 2 quarters. For those who are not concerned...you should be.

Some live game notes from last night:
Sam Adams particularly drew my ire as I watched him in person get pancaked by Leonard Davis on Marion Barber's 2nd TD run. (if anyone has a you tube vclip of that , it is disgusting to watch--kind of like watching your older brother who you look up to get his A$$ kicked)For us to hang our run defense's hopes on a mid 30's DT who has a history of injury problems is playing with fire and quite honestly I question that man's desire to play football and not just cash a paycheck after watchig him in person. If he was so stout..why did we run at will against cincy as did other teams? DJ williams is NOT as bad as everyone is making him out to be on this board--it is our DL. Jimmy Kennedy was blown up on a few occassions as well but quite honestly that was not as surprising as seeing adams get dominated on more than one occassion--I really have a hard to believing that our desire to trade/cut Gerrard warren is based on anything other than some personality friction between he and Bates especially with the lack of talent at DT that we possess.

Our OL , granted was playing without 2 starters, but it looked eerily familiar to the lines that Plummer had played behind the last 2 years...seldom any semblence of a pocket and when another team blitzes, we NEVER are able to pick it up. The difference between this offense and the offenses of our glory years in '97-99 is the pedigree of offensive lineman that we possessed-(our skill positions are only a notch below in my opinion) -that should be our focus in the draft for the next few years. I cannot imagine how horrific it would have been without the presence of nalen and Lepsis last night but that is a real possibility in 2008 Bronco Fans.

Nate Jackson ran great routes and quite honestly is almost a clone of Scheffler---if Jay/ Patrick had a little more time--he was open quite often and would have had a great stat line. The overrall tone from last night remains this--the Broncos simply are not physical enough defensively ---and with LT and LJ and potentially Lamont Jordan getting back ito from from 2 years ago--we could be in a world of trouble in our own division. We may be relying of Jay more often than not this year and with our OL, it could be a LONG year..............

I read the last two reviews and I think they need to pass on the cafeen lol realy I see nothing wrong with your post.

[worm]

This team has been having an off-season for the ages.

This will be a very strong team mentally....if they don't implode first.

[BroncoBuff]

This will be a very strong team mentally....if they don't implode first.
Random synapse firing it sounds, but I agree with the thrust of your point (I think). This team is still a jigsaw puzzle strewn on a card table - all the pieces are probably there, but we need time to fit em together. We did NOT NEED a Gerard Warren crap-out just at the point where the pieces were starting to fit. And come to think of it, how does a Florida Gator-alum like Warren, a veteran, flame out so dramatically right in front of three Gator rookies he shouldda been mentoring? I sure as hell wanna know the real story behind this Warren thing ....

And think about how AWFUL the DT position is now: Warren is gone, and Adams is just 20-plays per game. What's left?!?!? Amon Gordon looked terrible, Jimmy Kennedy has been invisible two weeks in a row now, Demetrin Veal sat out last night (and is too light for Bates anyway), and Ekuban - who was playing DT on third downs - is now lost for the season.

Based on last night alone, the #2 and #3 DTs on this roster are - imo - Antwan Burton and Marcus Thomas. An undrafted Temple Owl and a dro-huffing rusty rookie.

[brian85in]

Jesus...You realize our defensive line has 6 first round and 2 2nd round picks on it? Thats not a lack of talent. That DJ has never played MLB? That as a whole, our team will have 11 new starters from this time a year ago? IF Jackson is a clone of sheffler...he would make an impact in December, not in August. That its the 2nd preseason game of the season and this game does not ****ing matter? Are you even aware of these things?

:Broncos:

You Douche--I was referring to the pedigree of our offensive line--not D-line. and Nate will perform in December, November or any other month if he is given a chance--since his skill set is similar to Scheffler's. Of course they are going to play their 2nd round pick instead of an undrafted FA. This is the 2nd PRESEASON GAME where we have not produced SH%$ with our 1st team d against a first team "O"--is forcing a punt too much to ask? Apparently for you it does not matter....You are completely naive and foolish....if you think the broncos are not concerned you are smoking that nah-nanah .......

[sirhcyennek81]

You Douche--I was referring to the pedigree of our offensive line--not D-line. and Nate will perform in December, November or any other month if he is given a chance--since his skill set is similar to Scheffler's. Of course they are going to play their 2nd round pick instead of an undrafted FA. This is the 2nd PRESEASON GAME where we have not produced SH%$ with our 1st team d against a first team "O"--is forcing a punt too much to ask? Apparently for you it does not matter....You are completely naive and foolish....if you think the broncos are not concerned you are smoking that nah-nanah .......


Classy. Nate Jackson has had three seasons to prove he is more than just a fourth string TE, he has not. The Broncos dont even know who will be starting at every position in their front 7 on opening day. You were not referring to our offensive line, ass hat. You specifically cited the DT position as having a lack of talent...Sam Adams, Jimmy Kennedy and Gerard Warren are first round selections. Its naive and foolish to think throwing 11 guys together on defense and giving them two weeks to mesh is going to create a complete defense. You dont seem to be taking into account 2 road games 6 days apart, or not being home the entire time. Its a drain on you, but of course, you are the genius who wants Jackson to start because he looked good against 2nd and 3rd string defenders...

:Broncos:

[broncsyanks]

sorry i thought a couple of people looked good. marshall, bly, engelberger, and fergeson

[Dedhed]

I'm excited that we'll see the worst of our defense on opening day, as opposed to seeing the exact opposite last year.

[brian85in]

Classy. Nate Jackson has had three seasons to prove he is more than just a fourth string TE, he has not. The Broncos dont even know who will be starting at every position in their front 7 on opening day. You were not referring to our offensive line, ass hat. You specifically cited the DT position as having a lack of talent...Sam Adams, Jimmy Kennedy and Gerard Warren are first round selections. Its naive and foolish to think throwing 11 guys together on defense and giving them two weeks to mesh is going to create a complete defense. You dont seem to be taking into account 2 road games 6 days apart, or not being home the entire time. Its a drain on you, but of course, you are the genius who wants Jackson to start because he looked good against 2nd and 3rd string defenders...

:Broncos:

You ARE a douche--and a nasty **** at that. And you obviously do not have any understanding of what you are reading. I mentioned our OL's pedigree--go back and read my posting genious. Our DL is full of 1st round picks--FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S TEAMS, YOU F'ING RETARD. why do you think they let them go? B/c they wanted too much $$$ even though they were still producing at a first round level??? NO!!! you **********....go back to blowing your boyfriend and leave football analysis to the rest of us real men..if you don't see trouble brewing after 3 qtrs of play, 34 pts allowed and ZERO punts forced--then you must have spooge in your eye. Douche.and I never said that Nate jackson should start--just that he was open quite a bit Satruday night if our Lesser pedigreed OL could have held against the bltiz...

[Ron Mexico]

if things continue this way, i'm going to hope for a season like .... the Redskins had in Schottenheimers first year.

Never, never, never, never, never, never...never wish for anything Schottenheimer related. Very bad luck.

Just preseason vanilla vs. Wade "I must win immediately in the preseason so no one remembers my history in Denver and Buffalo" Phillips.

[sirhcyennek81]

You ARE a douche--and a nasty **** at that. And you obviously do not have any understanding of what you are reading. I mentioned our OL's pedigree--go back and read my posting genious. Our DL is full of 1st round picks--FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S TEAMS, YOU F'ING RETARD. why do you think they let them go? B/c they wanted too much $$$ even though they were still producing at a first round level??? NO!!! you **********....go back to blowing your boyfriend and leave football analysis to the rest of us real men..if you don't see trouble brewing after 3 qtrs of play, 34 pts allowed and ZERO punts forced--then you must have spooge in your eye. Douche.and I never said that Nate jackson should start--just that he was open quite a bit Satruday night if our Lesser pedigreed OL could have held against the bltiz...


Whoa. Simmer down their sybil. You specifically cited a lack of talent along the defensive line. I refuted you. Grow up. Even with lesser "talented" players along the offensive line, we have managed a top 8 running game, and only allowed 54 sacks in two years. Which actually ranks us in the top 10 for that category the last two seasons. Crying like a bitch over preseason games is a waste of time. You keep pointing Nate Jackson out. It makes me wonder if you have some repressed desires for man love.


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[brian85in]

Whoa. Simmer down their sybil. You specifically cited a lack of talent along the defensive line. I refuted you. Grow up. Even with lesser "talented" players along the offensive line, we have managed a top 8 running game, and only allowed 54 sacks in two years. Which actually ranks us in the top 10 for that category the last two seasons. Crying like a b**** over preseason games is a waste of time. You keep pointing Nate Jackson out. It makes me wonder if you have some repressed desires for man love.


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We cannot pass protect!!! DId i mention ANYTHING about our running game??? No!!! We only allowed 54 sacks in 2 seasons b/c of jake and the misdirection offense that we ran. Whenever we attempt to drop back our O-line folds like your football knowledge against mine. PISSSING and moaning about THIS particular preseason IS warranted. 34 pts in 3 qtrs/ no punts forced when OUR 1st team goes against THEIR 1st team. When was the last PRESEASON when our starters have been dominated like they have this preseason??? If you would have attended Sat's game you would have seen how physically dominating the Cowboys were over the Broncos starters--Did you see Sam admas get ROLLED on Barbers 2nd TD run???
that is our "run stuffer/ clogger" and he was doing nothing except getting driven backwards all night long.....Jim bates said it himself--That we are further behind than even the Packers of 2 years ago at this stage of the preseason--and with the RB's in our division, we will be riding Jay the entire time behind our porous pass blocking O-line.

[sirhcyennek81]

We cannot pass protect!!! DId i mention ANYTHING about our running game??? No!!! We only allowed 54 sacks in 2 seasons b/c of jake and the misdirection offense that we ran. Whenever we attempt to drop back our O-line folds like your football knowledge against mine. PISSSING and moaning about THIS particular preseason IS warranted. 34 pts in 3 qtrs/ no punts forced when OUR 1st team goes against THEIR 1st team. When was the last PRESEASON when our starters have been dominated like they have this preseason??? If you would have attended Sat's game you would have seen how physically dominating the Cowboys were over the Broncos starters--Did you see Sam admas get ROLLED on Barbers 2nd TD run???
that is our "run stuffer/ clogger" and he was doing nothing except getting driven backwards all night long.....Jim bates said it himself--That we are further behind than even the Packers of 2 years ago at this stage of the preseason--and with the RB's in our division, we will be riding Jay the entire time behind our porous pass blocking O-line.


I suppose practicing all week in Dallas, flying 2500 miles, not being home in 10 days and playing 2 road games had nothing to do with it. ITs preseason man, enjoy it, watch the young guys develop and compete. Seriously crying about it like you alone effect the fate of the team will make you miserable whenever the Broncos dont do well. As for football knowledge...I suppose if I played Madden every day I would be as knowledgable as you pretend to be. You dont seem to remember the offense improved with Jay, who can make plays from the pocket, unlike Plummer, who could not. You seem to continue to think Preseason matters, when it doesnt really. No single unit plays 4 quarters of football together...which is generally the way cohesive defense is created. Offensively, Pears, Kuper, Graham, Marshall, Cutler and Henry replace Plummer, Bell, Smith, Alexander, Carlisle and Foster. There goes any offensive cohesion. Defensively, Engleberger, Gordon, Adams, Williams, Webster, and Bly replace Ekuban, Meyers, Warren, Wilson, Williams and Williams. Again, defensive cohesion is shot. Add in a new defensive coaching staff, you wont expect an all world defense 2 weeks in. Of course, reports from the dallas-denver practices notes the Broncos defense actually shut dallas' starting offense down 7 out of 7 times. They simply did not play well in the game.


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[brian85in]

I guess you will not be convinced until we play the Raiders in Week#2 and they hang with us in Invesco ..b/c you will have blown off the Buf loss as "well, we have lost the last 2 years in a row on the road, it doesn't mean anything"....I hope you are right but after seeing it first hand I do not think you are.

[sirhcyennek81]

I guess you will not be convinced until we play the Raiders in Week#2 and they hang with us in Invesco ..b/c you will have blown off the Buf loss as "well, we have lost the last 2 years in a row on the road, it doesn't mean anything"....I hope you are right but after seeing it first hand I do not think you are.


Yeah...because we have never had a good season if we lose opening day. F'ing tard...

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[Kaylore]

I'm excited that we'll see the worst of our defense on opening day, as opposed to seeing the exact opposite last year.

I know this is probably tongue in cheek, but I have always felt this defense would look raw at first and then come together toward the end of the season.

[brian85in]

Yeah...because we have never had a good season if we lose opening day. F'ing tard...

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as "well, we have lost the last 2 years(openers) in a row on the road, it doesn't mean anything" ------see my quote you f'ing idiot. Geez you really cannot read. U r hopeless

[Odysseus]

I know this is probably tongue in cheek, but I have always felt this defense would look raw at first and then come together toward the end of the season.

I'm looking for Game 8 to be when they kick a gear. I want to see Week 10 be a statement game.

[sirhcyennek81]

as "well, we have lost the last 2 years(openers) in a row on the road, it doesn't mean anything" ------see my quote you f'ing idiot. Geez you really cannot read. U r hopeless


You make english teachers the world over cry.


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[Steve Prefontaine]

sorry i thought a couple of people looked good. marshall, bly, engelberger, and fergeson
Brian Clark too. That TD catch he had was impressive. The defender was all over him and he still hauled it in.