At least we got our jinx game out of the way.

[Kaylore]

This feels like the Miami or the Rams game. Injuries, bad breaks, failure to capitalize on those breaks, poor execution and just getting bullied. The only difference is that our QB is playing amazing considering the circumstances.

Our Linebackers look terrible. DJ has been guessing all game and he usually is guessing wrong.

As I said before, the only guy who is getting any kind of pass rush Moss. Now maybe you'll all understand why I thought so horribly of our chances when we thought he was done.

We're just being pushed around on both sides of the ball. I will say that the Cowboys are playing incredibly aggressive for a preseason game. There were at least a couple of plays where they blitzed three defenders on Jay. That's good because he's going to see that, but I'm surprised the Cowboys are opening up the playbook for what is only the second game of the preseason.

Our special teams looks like crap and even the guys that play well are screwing up.

Lepsis looks like he can't kick outside and beat that edge rush very well and that's reflective of his injured groin.

As I said, this game feels like one of those jinx games except we usually see it the first game of the season and we're seeing it now. I personally have concerns that this is how we'll look against power teams all year, but maybe some adjustments can be made.

[-Slap-]

The Talent Gods jinxed most of our front seven at conception.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Jinx game my ass. For two weeks in a row your first-team defense has looked like absolute garbage. Did Greg Robinson change his name to Jim Bates and get cosmetic surgery?

[SpringStein]

I wouldn't describe a game where we are dominated in every phase a Jinx Game - more like a wake-up call.

[HEAV]

Ekuban done for the year (possibly)

Travis banged up knee.

No matter what Jay-C can do, the O-line pass protection sucks eggs.

Not feeling as good now, that I was on Monday night.

[Malcontent]

Ekuban done for the year (possibly)

Travis banged up knee.

No matter what Jay-C can do, the O-line pass protection sucks eggs.

Not feeling as good now, that I was on Monday night.

What!! Horrible news if true. Damm blasted injuries! Must think positive.....

[Jetmeck]

Jinx game my ass. For two weeks in a row your first-team defense has looked like absolute garbage. Did Greg Robinson change his name to Jim Bates and get cosmetic surgery?


WORRY ABOUT YOUR own problems, your team will be lucky to go 6-10. Where did you say you sit at Arrowhead.
I'll be glad to come visit you at halftime for our game !

[OrangeShadow]

Ill hold judgement until preseason is over, i try not to over react through 2 games of pre season

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Maybe now someone will believe me when I saw Henry is injury prone.

[Kaylore]

The Talent Gods jinxed most of our front seven at conception.

Moss, Crowder and some of the other front four will come into their own later. Our linebackers are sad. Pass protection is something that will get better after Lepsis settles down.

[SpringStein]

I wouldn't describe a game where we are dominated in every phase a Jinx Game - more like a wake-up call.

[Broncojef]

Not only is this not just a jinx it'll be interesting seeing how many guys make it out healthy. Reminds me of watching a Chefs game, just ugly and I want to turn off the set.

[HEAV]

Moss, Crowder and some of the other front four will come into their own later. Our linebackers are sad. Pass protection is something that will get better after Lepsis settles down.


Pass protection wont settle until Lepsis/Hamilton/Nalen/Holland/Meadows are all on the fiel at the same freaaking time.

LB's... someone needs to teach these guys to wrap up...seriously...wrap up!

At least Bly had a nice Int, but he got screwed on that pass interference call.

[Garcia Bronco]

They have found a couple of plays that really have hurt our defense tonight...run right and run left

[Jana®]

Chiefs fan talking smak.. too funny.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

They have found a couple of plays that really have hurt our defense tonight...run right and run left

Sounds like Herm's playbook.

[HEAV]

They have found a couple of plays that really have hurt our defense tonight...run right and run left


You fogot about run up the middle and 3rd and long rush four, getr no heat, and give up 20 yard pass plays...:wave:

[OrangeShadow]

Well boob would know about jinxs, hes been one to KC for over 20 years.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

If the Patriots came out and played a game like this, would anyone on the board say "oh great, we dont have to worry about them now!" It's a terrible half of football, true. But its not the end of the god damn world. Believe it or not, teams can improve! What a concept! I'll worry if Buffalo beats are asses...until then, i take this all with a grain of salt. Do i think it means NOTHING, no...its def. not good, but lets get some perspective here

[Broncos_OTM]

well if we continue to play like this we will be drafting high really high

[HEAV]

If the Patriots came out and played a game like this, would anyone on the board say "oh great, we dont have to worry about them now!" It's a terrible half of football, true. But its not the end of the god damn world. Believe it or not, teams can improve! What a concept! I'll worry if Buffalo beats are asses...until then, i take this all with a grain of salt. Do i think it means NOTHING, no...its def. not good, but lets get some perspective here


...and as you typed this Mike Bell limped of the field...

[Turf Shaman]

If the Patriots came out and played a game like this, would anyone on the board say "oh great, we dont have to worry about them now!" It's a terrible half of football, true. But its not the end of the god damn world. Believe it or not, teams can improve! What a concept! I'll worry if Buffalo beats are asses...until then, i take this all with a grain of salt. Do i think it means NOTHING, no...its def. not good, but lets get some perspective here

I guess we can't expect people to learn their lesson from the Miami game two years ago. At least that game actually counted...

[SonOfLe-loLang]

...and as you typed this Mike Bell limped of the field...

Well, that wont help:)

[Northman]

I cant count how many times a team has gone undefeated in preseason and sucked in the regular season or winless in preseason and played well in the regular season. People, get a grip. The world is not ending.

[Broncos_OTM]

looks as though we left off from last year with our starting field position again

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Well, i am a believer that preseason performance means something. Preseason OUTCOMES dont because starters dont play that much, but that said, relax

[Broncos_OTM]

man i would have loved to watch the run

[Broncos_OTM]

24-13

[RkyMtnThunder]

I cant count how many times a team has gone undefeated in preseason and sucked in the regular season or winless in preseason and played well in the regular season. People, get a grip. The world is not ending.



It looks like the D has a long way to go and little time to get there.

Cant blame folks for feeling a little discouraged


Do you really think its going to magically get much, much better by week 1?

I hope so....

[Steve Sewell]

well if we continue to play like this we will be drafting high really high

LOL its a preseason game! I'm trying to figure out whether this is a joke or not. If it's not, then most of you are just being huge drama queens.

[HEAV]

It looks like the D has a long way to go and little time to get there.

Cant blame folks for feeling a little discouraged


Do you really think its going to magically get much, much better by week 1?

I hope so....



Do I think some magic pixie dust will work? No. these guys are beat up. Been a long camp and two games in five days. There are players that need some time off, there also some that need time in the huddle and on the field.

Brandon,Rasmey, DJ, the young DL need playing time. Henry,Walker the o-line need time off to heal up.

[BlaK-Argentina]

We played worse than this against Miami 2 years ago in a REGULAR season game and went on to win 14 games in the next 16... stop worrying so much.

[cabronco]

24-13

31-13

[cabronco]

I think were using 1 page of our playbook. What bothers me right now, are all the injuries that are occuring.

[Garcia Bronco]

Phillips and crew game planned ofr this game...you can tell by all the blitzes they are running

[Kaylore]

Getting your trash handed to you is actually a good thing in the long term. At least we can try and correct things going forward. Worst case scenario is we at least know the areas we need to address in the draft.

[HEAV]

We played worse than this against Miami 2 years ago in a REGULAR season game and went on to win 14 games in the next 16... stop worrying so much.

It;s the injuries, not the poor play that worries myself and a few others.

[Kaylore]

Phillips and crew game planned ofr this game...you can tell by all the blitzes they are running

No question. Reverses, multiple blitz packages - just a very non-vanilla scheme. We just had it handed to us.

[Rock Chalk]

Getting your trash handed to you is actually a good thing in the long term. At least we can try and correct things going forward. Worst case scenario is we at least know the areas we need to address in the draft.

Yeah, MLB, DT, DE, DE, WLB, SLB and Henry is now a fumbler with a bum knee.

[Northman]

No question. Reverses, multiple blitz packages - just a very non-vanilla scheme. We just had it handed to us.

Looks like Wade is showing more than Shanny at this point. Could backfire later in the season for Mr. Phillips.

[Kaylore]

Yeah, MLB, DT, DE, DE, WLB, SLB and Henry is now a fumbler with a bum knee.

Yup, that's right Alec. Travis Henry is ruined. ::)

[cabronco]

31-13

31-20 From Ramsey making competions down the field

[-Slap-]

Moss, Crowder and some of the other front four will come into their own later. Our linebackers are sad. Pass protection is something that will get better after Lepsis settles down.

IMO, the linebackers were average at best last year. Now we're weaker at Mike and Sam.

I really think we need to do something there before the season starts. If nothing else, we have to replace the competition Warrick Holdman was supposed to provide.

I can't even imagine what the San Diego games are going to look like if we don't shore up that area of the team.

[Steve Sewell]

Cutler's career is basically over, and.............!

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Garcia Bronco]

Our second and 3rd guys are beating theirs

[Garcia Bronco]

I think the young guys out there...we just need the right mix of vets until the can progress their game enough

[Kaylore]

Cutler's career is basically over, and.............!

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think anyone is saying that. Cutler played amazing considering the duress he was under. Ramsey played a very good game. Dre Bly is the bomb and Moss and Thomas are looking great. Some of what we need is more time, but some are areas that won't improve until there are personnel changes made. If you can't stop the run, you're dead.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't think anyone is saying that. Cutler played amazing considering the duress he was under. Ramsey played a very good game. Dre Bly is the bomb and Moss and Thomas are looking great. Some of what we need is more time, but some are areas that won't improve until there are personnel changes made. If you can't stop the run, you're dead.

Moss and Thomas are going to be awesome. It's just right there in front of us.

[Stormontheplains]

Bates defence is perfect for AL. We need a brute mike, I believe webster can do that. Going from OLB to MLB is very very hard, you live a life on the outside of TE and RB's, move to the middle and you have a 300+ guy coming at you from different directions. It's my experience that a MLB is black and white, you don't learn it, either a guy has it or doesnt.

[Kaylore]

Next game will have an actual game plan with a little bit more of a playbook. Unless it doesn't get better at all, I'm not going to worry until we look like this opening day.

[rovolution]

Wade might be happy he got his "revenge" against the Broncos for dismissing him many years ago, but this was a bad move by both him and Jason Garrett.

Both revealed many "regular season" plays during this game.

The G-men, Iggles, and Skins just got some valuable film.

poor decision by Phillips to let revenge cloud his mind.

[Cito Pelon]

I think ol' Wade has enjoyed this quite a bit. To have his O and D starters in for what, five drives when they were ahead by so far indicates he was happy to put a whooping on the Broncos in preseason. I can't remember the last time I saw that in preseason game 2 when the O and D had success in their first two drives.

[cabronco]

I thought Thomas had a solid game. You can tell Shanny's not into pushing for a Win, we were behind early , and in the 4th quarter we get points on the board but we dont use any of our 3 time outs. That tells me Shanny has seen enough and get the game over. I'm sure he didnt want to have any further injuries too.

[cabronco]

Wade might be happy he got his "revenge" against the Broncos for dismissing him many years ago, but this was a bad move by both him and Jason Garrett.

Both revealed many "nonregular season" plays during this game.

The G-men, Iggles, and Skins just got some valuable film.

poor decision by Phillips to let revenge cloud his mind.

Well he never appeared to be the brightest bulb.

[Garcia Bronco]

Lynch is basiclaly saying on the tube that we didn't execute, but we had no game plan and it was obvious that Dallas did.

Nice

[telluride]

Would everyone please stop quoting Bob. His "observations," even in quotes, renders every thread unreadable. Just stop.

[NASurfer]

The part that really has me concerned is the play of both our fronts.

It doesn't have to do with scheming, you're just trying to line up and beat the guy in front of you... and we're losing those battles on the line.

Defense and offense will go as far as the line will take em.

[Tombstone RJ]

The part that really has me concerned is the play of both our fronts.

It doesn't have to do with scheming, you're just trying to line up and beat the guy in front of you... and we're losing those battles on the line.

Defense and offense will go as far as the line will take em.

Really, game planning and scheming don't help you win? Well, there ya go!

I guess practicing is stupid too.

[-Slap-]

Bates defence is perfect for AL. We need a brute mike, I believe webster can do that. Going from OLB to MLB is very very hard, you live a life on the outside of TE and RB's, move to the middle and you have a 300+ guy coming at you from different directions. It's my experience that a MLB is black and white, you don't learn it, either a guy has it or doesnt.

Someone put this one in the Orange Mane time capsule because truer words were never posted on this site.

[NASurfer]

Really, game planning and scheming don't help you win? Well, there ya go!

I guess practicing is stupid too.
way to misinterpret someone's point. :crazy:

Missing tackles has nothing to do with scheming.

neither does getting destroyed on a bull rush.

Sometimes a player just needs to execute out there, something they were not doing.

[Northman]

Lynch is basiclaly saying on the tube that we didn't execute, but we had no game plan and it was obvious that Dallas did.

Nice


I figured as much. Phillips wanted to prove something tonight but it will cost him later down the road.

[theAPAOps5]

Lynch in a post game interview said Dallas clearly treated this more like a regular season game. He said Denver D basically had 2 coverages while they were actually blitzing. This team has a LONG way to go lets hope this damn injury bug goes away and we can get some continuity.

[Tombstone RJ]

Bates defence is perfect for AL. We need a brute mike, I believe webster can do that. Going from OLB to MLB is very very hard, you live a life on the outside of TE and RB's, move to the middle and you have a 300+ guy coming at you from different directions. It's my experience that a MLB is black and white, you don't learn it, either a guy has it or doesnt.

Not at the NFL level. LB, is black and white, it does take a certain innate mentality to play the position. But when you get to such a high level of play, the best players can and will think their way into a position. Take Lynch for example, he's not a natural at safety, hell, he played QB in college and was asked to move to safety. He's as good a hitter as there is. Is that black and white, or is it desire?

MLB is no different.

[Tombstone RJ]

way to misinterpret someone's point. :crazy:

Missing tackles has nothing to do with scheming.

neither does getting destroyed on a bull rush.

Sometimes a player just needs to execute out there, something they were not doing.

I look forward to you twisting my words in your next response Hilarious!

And, you missed my point too: The Broncos did not game plan this game, the Cowboys did. Hence, the Cowboys executed better.

[NASurfer]

And, you missed my point too: The Broncos did not game plan this game, the Cowboys did. Hence, the Cowboys executed better.
I acknowledge that. The Cowboys should have won if they game planned. I was just trying to say that there should still be some concern there. Is our line gonna give Cutler time? They couldn't do it now and they couldn't do it at the end of the season. Same goes for the run defense.

I just hope this team can play stronger at the point of attack.

[Tombstone RJ]

I acknowledge that. The Cowboys should have won if they game planned. I was just trying to say that there should still be some concern there. Is our line gonna give Cutler time? They couldn't do it now and they couldn't do it at the end of the season. Same goes for the run defense.

I just hope this team can play stronger at the point of attack.

No arguement here my friend, I totally agree.

However, please keep in mind that Shanahan is kinda wily and he's not gonna give away his offensive and defensive schemes in pre-season. He is asking the Broncos players to compensate for lack of game planning with raw talent, and as you are suggesting, it didn't work.

However, I'd wager that if the Broncos really wanted to WIN the game, they'd find a way to do that.

[theAPAOps5]

It was kind of funny to watch at first. The OLine wasn't expecting a Blitz then all of a sudden here it came. It was kind of Deer in the headlights there a few times.

I tell you what Dre Bly made some nice plays. He could play basketball the way he swiped that one ball.

[TheChamp24]

I bet Cowboy fans are all going to be on their Super Bowl bandwagon run now.
I had a feeling the Cowboys had a real game plan for this with what they were calling early.

[Sarcastro]

Not only is this not just a jinx it'll be interesting seeing how many guys make it out healthy. Reminds me of watching a Chefs game, just ugly and I want to turn off the set.

That is going overboard. You guys looked like crap against the Chiefs last season, but you usually look pretty good against KC when you play them at home.

[Broncos4Life]

I bet Cowboy fans are all going to be on their Super Bowl bandwagon run now.
I had a feeling the Cowboys had a real game plan for this with what they were calling early.

Yeah, I didn't watch the game but I'm not going to panic over a game like this.
Now next week We're going to have a game plan in place and if our team can't execute then I'll start panicking.

I really think that Crowder and Moss need to be on the field as much as possible early in the season. I hear they are looking stellar. To bad about our LBs. They better step it up next week though.

[TheChamp24]

I do like what I see from Moss, but because nobody else gets pressure the QB just steps up in the pocket and fires.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This feels like the Miami or the Rams game. Injuries, bad breaks, failure to capitalize on those breaks, poor execution and just getting bullied.

Yeah, this game was that bad. Probably worse.

The only difference is that our QB is playing amazing considering the circumstances.

Huh? Cut was throwing ducks into the carpet and rarely made a play of any significance. That wasnt exactly a sparkling performance. We couldnt convert a third down and couldnt make a big play. He has a long way to go.

Our Linebackers look terrible. DJ has been guessing all game and he usually is guessing wrong.

We miss Big Al. Badly.

We're just being pushed around on both sides of the ball.

As is seeming like an increasingly annoying cliche, we are still having trouble gaining control of the LOS on both sides of the ball. In this game the terms of play were dictated to us completely.

I will say that the Cowboys are playing incredibly aggressive for a preseason game. There were at least a couple of plays where they blitzed three defenders on Jay. That's good because he's going to see that, but I'm surprised the Cowboys are opening up the playbook for what is only the second game of the preseason.

I can see what Phil is doing. He's trying to build the confidence of his team under a new coach.

As I said, this game feels like one of those jinx games except we usually see it the first game of the season and we're seeing it now. I personally have concerns that this is how we'll look against power teams all year, but maybe some adjustments can be made.

To me it looks like we might have thrown away this season in the hopes that we could fortify the trenches on both sides of the ball next season.

[denver5459]

This might sound like I'm making excuses, and maybe I am, but this game looked like a classic case of one team using this game to evaluate talent and the other using it to gain momentum going into the season. I know Shanny always says he plays every game to win, but the Broncos were vanilla on everything, while the Cowboys obviously game-planned to win the game. From what they were saying on TV the Cowboys were doing a lot of things they never showed at all during the 3 days of practices, whereas the Broncos were doing the same thing through practices and the game.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Lynch is basiclaly saying on the tube that we didn't execute, but we had no game plan and it was obvious that Dallas did.
Nice


Ouch.

If Shanny wasnt invincible, this would be a very curious statement.

[Tombstone RJ]

To me it looks like we might have thrown away this season in the hopes that we could fortify the trenches on both sides of the ball next season.

Please keep in mind that this is Bates first season too. It's not gonna be a lights-out defense right away. But I bet you it's better than last year's defense, by the end of this season (baring injuries, of course).

[epicSocialism4tw]

Please keep in mind that this is Bates first season too. It's not gonna be a lights-out defense right away. But I bet you it's better than last year's defense, by the end of this season (baring injuries, of course).


Hopefully that is the case.

I am expecting that our defensive line be at least more cohesive later in the season, and for our linebackers to have settled in to the point that they at least understand an execute their responsibilities with some semblance of consistency.

[Tombstone RJ]

Hopefully that is the case.

I am expecting that our defensive line be at least more cohesive later in the season, and for our linebackers to have settled in to the point that they at least understand an execute their responsibilities with some semblance of consistency.

I agree. LB looks like a concern and it would not suprise me in the least if the Broncos address that position in the draft next year. However, LB is one of the easier positions to find (kinda like RB on offense) and it's still way too early to cast too harsh of a jugdment on this group of guys.

[Popps]

This game just illuminates the same problem areas many of us have been talking about for quite some time, now.

-Is DJ even a decent LB, much less a MLB? He's been fine... not spectacular, and I've yet to see any proof to the contrary. He looked pretty confused out there, at times.

-Great QB play won't save the rest of your team: Though, Jay was less than great tonight, I do think he'll BE great this year. That won't solve the problems that have plagued us. Leading to the next...

-Yes, the D-line.... taking up where they left off at the end of last year. Different faces, same results... pushed all over the field.

-The CB question: Why dump gobs of resources into the back-end of your defense when the front 7 of your defense sucks? Inquiring minds want to know. I love Champ, but the poor guy is rotting back there with the slobs we have up front.

Same old problems. I'll cut the O-line a little slack until they get healthy and together.

Now, before message board-guy gives me the insightful message that "this is only pre-season," ask yourself this.... if we had played lights-out, the D-line had been swarming the QB and the offense had been jamming it down team's throats... would you still me telling me it was "only pre-season?"

It may only be pre-season, but we still look like ****, just like we did last year.

It's not about panicking, it's about wanting to see some progress, at some point, here. It's about time this team showed some.

[Tombstone RJ]

This game just illuminates the same problem areas many of us have been talking about for quite some time, now.

-Is DJ even a decent LB, much less a MLB? He's been fine... not spectacular, and I've yet to see any proof to the contrary. He looked pretty confused out there, at times.

-Great QB play won't save the rest of your team: Though, Jay was less than great tonight, I do think he'll BE great this year. That won't solve the problems that have plagued us. Leading to the next...

-Yes, the D-line.... taking up where they left off at the end of last year. Different faces, same results... pushed all over the field.

-The CB question: Why dump gobs of resources into the back-end of your defense when the front 7 of your defense sucks? Inquiring minds want to know. I love Champ, but the poor guy is rotting back there with the slobs we have up front.

Same old problems. I'll cut the O-line a little slack until they get healthy and together.

Now, before message board-guy gives me the insightful message that "this is only pre-season," ask yourself this.... if we had played lights-out, the D-line had been swarming the QB and the offense had been jamming it down team's throats... would you still me telling me it was "only pre-season?"

It may only be pre-season, but we still look like ****, just like we did last year.

It's not about panicking, it's about wanting to see some progress, at some point, here. It's about time this team showed some.

The defense does not look like it is progressing, when playing a different team. However, at least from what I remember reading from training camp observers like Kaylore, the defense is improved.

That being said, perhaps, just perhaps, Bates is holding back the reigns. There is no proof of this, but it is my one way of saying "the cup is half-full."

[bpc]

I just think the overall lack of preperation for this preseason is concerning. Shanahan has said he hasn't even gameplanned anything for the last game and minimally for this game. The fact is, other teams are gameplanning and its not only sticking it to our ass on the field, its causing injuries to mount up.

[Kaylore]

The defense does not look like it is progressing, when playing a different team. However, at least from what I remember reading from training camp observers like Kaylore, the defense is improved.
You need to go back and watch the first few possessions. The D wasn't terrible. The Cowboys were stopped one their first possession. We turned the ball over on our own five yard line on another. Some of the plays we gave up were dumb stuff like Foxworth falling down. There are areas of the game that aren't as bad as it felt. That said, DJ and the linebackers in general were flailing around and looked like they didn't know what they were doing.

[Popps]

The defense does not look like it is progressing, when playing a different team. However, at least from what I remember reading from training camp observers like Kaylore, the defense is improved.

That being said, perhaps, just perhaps, Bates is holding back the reigns. There is no proof of this, but it is my one way of saying "the cup is half-full."

I hope the cup is half-full. But, I'll guarantee you Mike Shanahan doesn't take these types of games lightly, and I guarantee you our coaching staff doesn't prepare all week to be embarrassed like this.

There's no need to panic. In today's NFL, there's always a chance. We just haven't looked good in any phase outside of maybe our opening drive or two of the pre-season. Our starting defense has been an outright disaster.

But, you can't say Shanahan didn't try to fix it, this year. I've been critical... but if our front seven blows again this year, I can't say we didn't try. We moved up in round 1, we signed another first day DE, we moved for Thomas, we signed Adams and brought in a new DC. Maybe a little time will show more rewards from those moves, but the early results aren't encouraging.

[NASurfer]

We can only take this game for what it's worth... and that it's limited info.

I just hope this team can control the LOS when the real games start.

[Kaylore]

I just think the overall lack of preperation for this preseason is concerning. Shanahan has said he hasn't even gameplanned anything for the last game and minimally for this game. The fact is, other teams are gameplanning and its not only sticking it to our ass on the field, its causing injuries to mount up.

Dude, what is with you tonight? You're not making any sense. Shanahan has done the same thing every preseason. He only game plans the third game of the preseason and then the fourth is scrub play. You honestly believe he's the only one not game planning? Do seriously think that his not game planning caused these injuries? What about all those other preseason games every other season he's been here that didn't cause injuries? Come on, chill out.

[Popps]

I just don't think game planning had much to do with Barber dragging our little LBs with him up the field, or our D-ling getting pushed backwards all night.

[bpc]

Dude, what is with you tonight? You're not making any sense. Shanahan has done the same thing every preseason. He only game plans the third game of the preseason and then the fourth is scrub play. You honestly believe he's the only one not game planning? Do seriously think that his not game planning caused these injuries? What about all those other preseason games every other season he's been here that didn't cause injuries? Come on, chill out.

I haven't seen the game but from what I'm hearing, Wade Phillips was bringing all sorts of stunts and that kind of stuff. That is the word at least. Besides, I think we all know that Wade could give an f' about our squad, town, or Shanahan, of course he would try to stick it to us a little more than another team.

I understand the thinking of "hey, lets get our stuff down, we'll create a little gameplan for the 3rd preseason game and we'll go from there.." however when we are down to one healthy tackle and a converted TE sitting on the edges of our OLine, we need to start getting creative on the field. I just thought that issue was poorly managed by the coaching staff resulting in un-needed injuries.

I dont' care about the length of guys playing as some do, but I think we should have taken better care of our players than we did on this night. We don't have any quality tackle play right now... Lepsis is dinged, Pears was getting beat pretty regularly last week and now we have a converted TE protecting Jay. We should have been calling a lot of three step drops, screen's and draws. It sounds like Cutler was getting his ass knocked around a bunch.

I'll be able to give a better more accurate critique tomorrow.

[Kaylore]

I haven't seen the game but from what I'm hearing, Wade Phillips was bringing all sorts of stunts and that kind of stuff. That is the word at least. Besides, I think we all know that Wade could give an f' about our squad, town, or Shanahan, of course he would try to stick it to us a little more than another team.

I understand the thinking of "hey, lets get our stuff down, we'll create a little gameplan for the 3rd preseason game and we'll go from there.." however when we are down to one healthy tackle and a converted TE sitting on the edges of our OLine, we need to start getting creative on the field. Why? How would that help? How is putting more pressure on your scrubs and backups going to make things better?

I dont' care about the length of guys playing as some do, but I think we should have taken better care of our players than we did on this night. OK, you haven't even watched the game but you're insisting the Broncos staff was negligent? ::) They got hurt playing football. Henry was hurt on a tackle. Ekuban was hurt trying to sack the QB. There isn't anything any other coach would have done differently.


We don't have any quality tackle play right now... Lepsis is dinged, Pears was getting beat pretty regularly last week and now we have a converted TE protecting Jay. Um, not really. Mustard came in as a tackle eligible on one play. Lepsis and Pears were the tackles.

We should have been calling a lot of three step drops, screen's and draws. We DID! Why don't you actually watch the game first before arguing what should or should not have been done. I understand you're emotional because of the loss and the injuries, but you're not making any sense.

I've never heard of anyone saying that making a game plan more interesting eliminates injuries. If anything it would increase them because the likelihood for mental errors goes up and the lesser talent probably couldn't execute it as well. Regardless, it's football and people get injured. Saying a game plan would have prevented Ebenezer Ekuban from getting hurt while trying to beat an offensive tackle is stupid.

[ZONA]

Ekuban is not a huge loss, sorry to say. The other injuries pretty much are scuffs, except Harris who wouldn't be on the field this year anyway. There are other teams who are losing big time players for the year and it will keep going that way too. The first things you want from preason are to determine who will be added to the team and to stay healthy. There's plenty of time to improve, which we will.

Bob's an idiot - Henry is not injury prone. If he is, we all are. I bit my lip today while eating doritos. I also smacked my knee on the closet door today. Guess I'm inury prone huh? What a tard.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob's an idiot - Henry is not injury prone.

Tonight was the first crack in the dam.

[bpc]

Why? How would that help? How is putting more pressure on your scrubs and backups going to make things better?

OK, you haven't even watched the game but you're insisting the Broncos staff was negligent? ::) They got hurt playing football. Henry was hurt on a tackle. Ekuban was hurt trying to sack the QB. There isn't anything any other coach would have done differently.

Um, not really. Mustard came in as a tackle eligible on one play. Lepsis and Pears were the tackles.

We DID! Why don't you actually watch the game first before arguing what should or should not have been done. I understand you're emotional because of the loss and the injuries, but you're not making any sense.

I've never heard of anyone saying that making a game plan more interesting eliminates injuries. If anything it would increase them because the likelihood for mental errors goes up and the lesser talent probably couldn't execute it as well. Regardless, it's football and people get injured. Saying a game plan would have prevented Ebenezer Ekuban from getting hurt while trying to beat an offensive tackle is stupid.

I will watch the game. Until then, from what i'm picking up, it seems we were outcoached, outgame planned and outplayed. I just think more could have been done to protect ourselves and it doesn't sound like we did that. Sounds like we ran head first into a buzzsaw.

There is nothing you can do with certain injuries. Henry is one that could have been avoided especially with our offensive line being deprived. Cutler is another. If we can protect them, why leave them out there like bait to be eaten up?

Everybody has pointed out, even yourself that Lepsis has had trouble with his leg/groin. If we had Meadows and or Harris healthy, do you think Lepsis would have played? He played because he had to. I do not feel comfortable letting the future of our organization sit out there against a defense who's DC severely dislikes us and would enjoy nothing more than to take one of our key players down.

Kaylore, i wouldn't take this personally. I'm making observations.

[bpc]

Tonight was the first crack in the dam.

You are a damn loser. Go get a f'n life. Have you even seen your pathetic team this preseason?

[Rock Chalk]

The defense does not look like it is progressing, when playing a different team. However, at least from what I remember reading from training camp observers like Kaylore, the defense is improved.

That being said, perhaps, just perhaps, Bates is holding back the reigns. There is no proof of this, but it is my one way of saying "the cup is half-full."

Thats the problem. All due respect to Kaylore and SoCal but they are homers. I love the camp reports as much as the next guy but year three and Im telling you, they cant be trusted. Good reading, but not gospel and certainly not an unbiased review of the team's progress.

Now there is one thing I am hopeful for. Someone brought up Bates' defensive performances in preseason games prior to the year he had fielded great defenses and they were all poor. So, perhaps Bates is just holding back what we are going to do defensively but it doesnt change the injury bug.

And I dont care how much SoCal loves DJ, he will never make even an average MLB. Move him back to WLB thats the ONLY place he thrived. Which leaves us with Gold who we can flush down the toilet for all I care.

Still leavnig us with a big fat gaping hole at MLB. All those dumbasses this offseason that said "Al sucks, he's done" Yeah, he's done due to injury but you know, a banged up Al is twenty times the MLB that DJ will ever be. Al never sucked and I think its quite obvious he was the rock of the front seven. We need to find a replacement as soon as possible.

[Garcia Bronco]

Ouch.

If Shanny wasnt invincible, this would be a very curious statement.

Coach doesn't start adding that facet or prepareness until next week.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Still leavnig us with a big fat gaping hole at MLB. All those dumbasses this offseason that said "Al sucks, he's done" Yeah, he's done due to injury but you know, a banged up Al is twenty times the MLB that DJ will ever be. Al never sucked and I think its quite obvious he was the rock of the front seven. We need to find a replacement as soon as possible.

No doubt.

Maybe Warren and some change can bring someone who can fill the holes with authority and direct traffic with experience. Otherwise, I think that its going to be a long year for our LB's.

[SoCalBronco]

Thats the problem. All due respect to Kaylore and SoCal but they are homers. I love the camp reports as much as the next guy but year three and Im telling you, they cant be trusted. Good reading, but not gospel and certainly not an unbiased review of the team's progress.

Now there is one thing I am hopeful for. Someone brought up Bates' defensive performances in preseason games prior to the year he had fielded great defenses and they were all poor. So, perhaps Bates is just holding back what we are going to do defensively but it doesnt change the injury bug.

And I dont care how much SoCal loves DJ, he will never make even an average MLB. Move him back to WLB thats the ONLY place he thrived. Which leaves us with Gold who we can flush down the toilet for all I care.

Still leavnig us with a big fat gaping hole at MLB. All those dumbasses this offseason that said "Al sucks, he's done" Yeah, he's done due to injury but you know, a banged up Al is twenty times the MLB that DJ will ever be. Al never sucked and I think its quite obvious he was the rock of the front seven. We need to find a replacement as soon as possible.

No, Alec, we are not homers and did not color our reports. It is very strange to read (could not watch the game tonight) about how the D is sucking and DJ also it would appear because honest to God in camp it was not like that. We were not being homers. That is what we saw:the D playing very well. I don't know why it did not translate to the two preseason games so far. I did not notice a whole lot of hesitation from DJ in camp, but I did notice (and reported) that he got caught in the wash a few times. I'm not sure why he is struggling, but it is much different (it would appear) from what we saw. He'll be fine. I'm not sure why he is not trusting his keys at the snap. I did not see much of that in camp and Kaylore did not either from what I recall. He will be fine. I am more concerned with the horrendous string of injuries that seems to be unending. Ekuban being out for the year is a huge loss.

[bpc]

The Broncos were surprised at how much the Cowboys blitzed. Most teams don’t blitz much in the preseason, but Dallas often brought extra rushers. The Cowboys are coached by Wade Phillips, who was once Denver’s coach.

“Two different approaches,” safety John Lynch said. “We didn’t game plan, we played two coverages and two fronts, they blitzed every play. I don’t know if Wade is (ticked) because he got fired here, but it sure looked like it.”

Kaylore, this passage from the Gazette is my exact problem with the way we came out... did we not see this coming? Did we not see Dallas playing a 3-4? We didn't see Wade trying to stick it in our ass? I just don't know why we didn't try harder to prepare for a lot of blitzes and keeping key players from getting killed. This was a preseason game to us and maybe most teams follow that code... obviously, Wade Phillips holding a grudge didn't follow suit.

Socal, I couldn't agree with you more on the injury front. WTF? I'm really starting to question either Tuten or our practice policy as we seem to be eternally facing lingering injury issues during our preseason camps.

[TheChamp24]

For some reason DJ likes going to the left or right to cover someone already covered rather than cover a guy coming across the middle. I have a pretty big guess that its his fault the Cowboys got some big plays on some 3rd downs on the crossing routes where nobody was near him. For instance, Patrick Crayton's 30 yard catch on 3rd and 10 on a crossing route where no one was within 20 yards of him.

[footstepsfrom#27]

The Broncos were surprised at how much the Cowboys blitzed. Most teams don’t blitz much in the preseason, but Dallas often brought extra rushers. The Cowboys are coached by Wade Phillips, who was once Denver’s coach.

“Two different approaches,” safety John Lynch said. “We didn’t game plan, we played two coverages and two fronts, they blitzed every play. I don’t know if Wade is (ticked) because he got fired here, but it sure looked like it.”

Kaylore, this passage from the Gazette is my exact problem with the way we came out... did we not see this coming? Did we not see Dallas playing a 3-4? We didn't see Wade trying to stick it in our ass? I just don't know why we didn't try harder to prepare for a lot of blitzes and keeping key players from getting killed. This was a preseason game to us and maybe most teams follow that code... obviously, Wade Phillips holding a grudge didn't follow suit.

Socal, I couldn't agree with you more on the injury front. WTF? I'm really starting to question either Tuten or our practice policy as we seem to be eternally facing lingering injury issues during our preseason camps.
I find it tough to believe Phillips had revenge on his mind in a meaningless preseason game. I think Dallas came out pretty aggressive against the Colts last week also.

[Watchthemiddle]

Shanahan said in a post game interview that we are still running our Base Defense. He had no idea why Dallas was blitzing so much.

When we start running our "real" defense and it looks pathetic then tell me. Until then, its still very Vanilla this early in the season/preseason. I am sure we are not going to tip our hand to the Bills yet and give them something to gameplan against.

This is a new defense we will be running/showing. Why show it now? Its more important to hold our cards until it MATTERS then give away what we have coming.

[Kaylore]

Thats the problem. All due respect to Kaylore and SoCal but they are homers. I love the camp reports as much as the next guy but year three and Im telling you, they cant be trusted.

You don't have to read them if you think I'm lying to you, Alec. I report what I see. When the team is only practicing against itself you can only get a certain look. I certainly don't think it was very homerish of me to predict 9-11 wins.

[Kaylore]

Shanahan said in a post game interview that we are still running our Base Defense. He had no idea why Dallas was blitzing so much.

When we start running our "real" defense and it looks pathetic then tell me. Until then, its still very Vanilla this early in the season/preseason. I am sure we are not going to tip our hand to the Bills yet and give them something to gameplan against.

This is a new defense we will be running/showing. Why show it now? Its more important to hold our cards until it MATTERS then give away what we have coming.

Our real game defense won't change much at all. Bates keeps it simple, though he will blitz on occasion.

[ScotchTanShan]

You don't have to read them if you think I'm lying to you, Alec. I report what I see. When the team is only practicing against itself you can only get a certain look. I certainly don't think it was very homerish of me to predict 9-11 wins.

Of course you're not lying. But so many here presume Bob is lying in his Chiefs reports... so I guess I believe both. Wade had a huge vendetta to fulfill in his preseason game, and the Bronco's only ran base everything- which means they get a free pass, but the Chiefs, which Herm has been adamant about running pretty much no more than 6-10 plays total on each side of the ball, should be judged in total by their preseason performance.

PS DJ looks AWESOME at MLB... solid call. I hope Al Wilson picks up w/ a team and dominates.

[Hulamau]

This game just illuminates the same problem areas many of us have been talking about for quite some time, now.

-Is DJ even a decent LB, much less a MLB? He's been fine... not spectacular, and I've yet to see any proof to the contrary. He looked pretty confused out there, at times.

-Great QB play won't save the rest of your team: Though, Jay was less than great tonight, I do think he'll BE great this year. That won't solve the problems that have plagued us. Leading to the next...

-Yes, the D-line.... taking up where they left off at the end of last year. Different faces, same results... pushed all over the field.

-The CB question: Why dump gobs of resources into the back-end of your defense when the front 7 of your defense sucks? Inquiring minds want to know. I love Champ, but the poor guy is rotting back there with the slobs we have up front.

Same old problems. I'll cut the O-line a little slack until they get healthy and together.

Now, before message board-guy gives me the insightful message that "this is only pre-season," ask yourself this.... if we had played lights-out, the D-line had been swarming the QB and the offense had been jamming it down team's throats... would you still me telling me it was "only pre-season?"

It may only be pre-season, but we still look like ****, just like we did last year.

It's not about panicking, it's about wanting to see some progress, at some point, here. It's about time this team showed some.

My concern with DJ is upstairs, he's got all the physical tools but he's never impressed me as a Mensa candidate ... not that a MLB needs to be, but what I at first thought was just shyness from him might also be a little mollasses circulating through the synapses. ...

Whatever, we got some issues at LB over all .. nothing that cant be fixed and it is no time to panic yet.... but time to get it fixed NOW even if we have to roll with Webster at middle and put DJ back at SAM.

The D line will be alrright I think with a bit more time to Gel its all new guys working together in a totally new system and with Crowder out (he played well at SF) and now Eukaban done for the year we need to get it all together.

Secondary is fine but they cant be playing LB all game.

Keep in mind though that the whole team was fagged from the sauna bath for the past week ... a Short travel week at that ... we didn't do any game planning while Dallas obviously did, our oline was really banged up and rusty and Walker didn't play ... I didn't see much of Scheff either was he even there?

Main thing now is to get Henry and Bell at 110% asap as well as Crowder and do pray that our O line can somehow stay on the field as one piece.

Until this run defense gets its act together we may need Jay and the O in pin ball mode to win some of these early games.

I also think we should at least keep Warren now until we know who survives the preseason.

And my man Brian Clark is looking good .. Kid may start to become "Baby Rod" afterall.

[Florida_Bronco]

Thats the problem. All due respect to Kaylore and SoCal but they are homers. I love the camp reports as much as the next guy but year three and Im telling you, they cant be trusted. Good reading, but not gospel and certainly not an unbiased review of the team's progress. That's not even close to true Alec, especially with SoCal. SoCal is extremely realistic and sometimes, for lack of a better term, even underestimates our team. Since I've been here, I've routinely seen the Broncos outperform SoCal's predictions. Hell, SoCal is like the anti-homer.

And I dont care how much SoCal loves DJ, he will never make even an average MLB. Move him back to WLB thats the ONLY place he thrived. Which leaves us with Gold who we can flush down the toilet for all I care. You are just being overly emotional here. Neither, you, I or Socal know how DJ will do at MLB...especially after just 2 preseason games.

[Rock Chalk]

You don't have to read them if you think I'm lying to you, Alec. I report what I see. When the team is only practicing against itself you can only get a certain look. I certainly don't think it was very homerish of me to predict 9-11 wins.

I knew you would get your panties ruffled.

I like the reports as much as the next guy bet you skimmed ovr that part huh? But you are a homer, so am I. Yes you predicted 9-11 wins at the end, but your reports say much differently. They have every year. Its cool, dont get me wrong, and that was hardly the point.

Im not in the sky is falling camp here. I take the reports for what they are, homers reporting on our team. Good stuff but hardly reliable and unbiased. Dont get your pussy strained because you get a little criticism.

And Florida, mark my words, DJ will never be a great MLB and AT BEST he will only be serviceable. Put him back at WLB where he should be playing anyway and get a real MLB.

[elsid13]

Relax folks it preseason and thing aren't as bad as the seem or as good as we make them out to be. Listening to the game (I will watch later today) it seems that the lines have not jellied yet (good offense lines are units that mentally together hard to do with injuries and new guys) and the defense is still trying figure out what everyone role are. I think it important that Denver start locking down the roles in the front seven and let guys play from there.

I not really concerned with the lack of gaming plays yet since Shanahan is a coach that going to do two things in the preseason - evaluate talent and try new formations that he wants see how they work/force other teams to prepare for those formation.

[Rock Chalk]

No, Alec, we are not homers and did not color our reports. It is very strange to read (could not watch the game tonight) about how the D is sucking and DJ also it would appear because honest to God in camp it was not like that. We were not being homers. That is what we saw:the D playing very well. I don't know why it did not translate to the two preseason games so far. I did not notice a whole lot of hesitation from DJ in camp, but I did notice (and reported) that he got caught in the wash a few times. I'm not sure why he is struggling, but it is much different (it would appear) from what we saw. He'll be fine. I'm not sure why he is not trusting his keys at the snap. I did not see much of that in camp and Kaylore did not either from what I recall. He will be fine. I am more concerned with the horrendous string of injuries that seems to be unending. Ekuban being out for the year is a huge loss.

It never occurred to you that the D playing very well had to do with them facing 2nd and 3rd and 4th stringers? Or if they played well against our first stringers, that our first stringers are obviously (particularly on the o-line) not very good?

You guys act like being a homer is a bad thing. The taint of bias filled both of your reports and that was to be expected. You say you report only what you saw, but thats the problem, what you saw is through orange colored glasses. THATS OK. I dont know why you two twits got offended at that.

[Cito Pelon]

Bates defence is perfect for AL. We need a brute mike, I believe webster can do that. Going from OLB to MLB is very very hard, you live a life on the outside of TE and RB's, move to the middle and you have a 300+ guy coming at you from different directions. It's my experience that a MLB is black and white, you don't learn it, either a guy has it or doesnt.

I'll give DJ a bit of a break, I don't feel like piling on him right now. With some experience, maybe he'll be more instinctive and aggressive.

[Kaylore]

I knew you would get your panties ruffled.

I like the reports as much as the next guy bet you skimmed ovr that part huh? But you are a homer, so am I. Yes you predicted 9-11 wins at the end, but your reports say much differently. They have every year. Its cool, dont get me wrong, and that was hardly the point.

Um, no. In '06 my report wasn't as good, but I felt the team would do better in the regular season because they played so well the year before. That was a case where I assumed and didn't pay attention to what I was seeing. The year before I predicted we would be good and we were very good. And what part are you saying I "skimmed over"?

Camp was largely the defense owning the offense. So much so that we both had serious concerns about the offense doing anything at all. You can go back and read it yourself. In the games the exact opposite is happening. Also many the players we said were playing well are the ones that are doing well right now. Bly, Marshall, Henry, Cutler, Moss, Crowder, Shoate. We never made any promises of a perfect season. Don't mistake the excitement around football coming back and practice reports for some kind of declaration about the regular season. We said in the threads since the beginning that we needed to see them really hit each other to get a real test.

[crazyhorse]

Camp reports

If a lousy defense is going against a lousy offense, then how do you know whether they are very good or not? Simply put, if the Donks O line isn't playing well in camp, the defense will look like they are playing better than they are.

So, in essence it would be hard to report otherwise. Unless of course you really know something about football. I cant speak to everyone, but when Kay starts talking about footwork and leverage, blocking techniques and hand fighting on the line that's when it all loses credibility to me. It's not hard to see that he dont know squirt.

The real disappointment for most of you is you believe his bull**** almost as much as he does. You have nobody to blame but yourselves. You're all homers. There's nothing wrong with it. But you definately set yourself up for disappointment when you appoint the "bob" equivalent of Donk fans as your football mouthpiece.

Perhaps listenting to someone who really knows football instead of someone who likes to hear himself talk about football would be less disappointing.

Just a thought.

[brother love]

The patriots must be panicking as well! Brady throwing two picks last game and they are 0-2.
Relax guys we will be just fine when the season starts.

[elsid13]

The patriots must be panicking as well! Brady throwing two picks last game and they are 0-2.
Relax guys we will be just fine when the season starts.

Your correct. Imagine if this how the mane react to preseason lose, what going to happen during a lose in the regular season ???

[crazyhorse]

Your correct. Image if this how the mane react to preseason lose, what going to happen during a lose in the regular season ???


Wake-n-bake?

[elsid13]

Wake-n-bake?

I am sure the hole that is the planet was excited about Friday game. Impressive lose at home to the MIA.

Our boys looked like crap but I have more faith in them turning it around then a team lead by Sperm and Gunther.

[Maximus]

Maybe now someone will believe me when I saw Henry is injury prone.

Damn Bagdad... Hold some of the Ammo... Ya see donk fans think Henry is a Gem... anyone else knows that he's injury and fumble prone... donk fans will be crying for a RB before the second week of regular season!!!! Shhhhhhh!

[HEAV]

While I hate to agree with the pot smoker(Alec), he does have a point about the homerism factor that comes from the reporting we see posted.

Last year people fell in love with Mike Bell, he was being toted as the next TD. We all got to see a hard working kid, with marginal speed and a great eye for the cut back, but not the second coming of Davis.

This year some felt Chris Kuper was the lock at RG, even after Montrae Holland got a surprise 1 year extension on his deal. Holland was brought in to be the bulldozer on the right side. But again, I'm a Montrae Holland homer! So judge that for what it is...:yayaya:

But Socal and Kaylore do the best job they can, being a fan is going to lead to some homer love slip'n out. But let's face it what they see is what they see. It's 1's verse 2's and 3's in camp. Camp is more controlled, as opposed to facing another team in live action.

Has for DJ... I loved the kid at MIAMI. He was great his rookie year at the weakside...then Gold was brought back :kiddingme

DJ can be a decent MLB. It's going to take time for the kid to get the feel. One off season and 2 pre season games aren't a good judge of his future.

What all the defenders, minus Champ, need is schooled on wrapping up tackles. DJ, Webster, Lynch, EndBerg, Gold...so one try to blow people up. Bates defense has been about making the tackle, wrap up, get the ball carrier on the ground.

Last night and even in the 9er game to many missed tackles and poor fundamentals on wrapping the tackle.


Injuries... it's impossible to blame the staff for any injury that happened.

If I was shanny. I'd rest the first team next week in both practice and the game. Then the final week give them the first half and then the second team and 3rd.

Broncos need to figure out this Warren issue and bring in some bodies for the O-line fast!

Depending on Henry's condition, if it's worse then it looks, I call Corey Dillon and see what shape he is in.

With Ekuban done for the year, as most likely his career is over, I'd be on the phone with Simeon Rice.



Again let me state that we all have Homer in us... some are super-homer. I was last year with Jake, also was with Portis.

But Socal and Kay did this board a favor by posting the camp reports.

[Broncoman13]

Moss, Crowder and some of the other front four will come into their own later. Our linebackers are sad. Pass protection is something that will get better after Lepsis settles down.

Actually, it's not all of the LB's. I thought Nate Webster played outstanding football last night. He was in on a lot of plays and really likes to mix things up. Ian was good as well. A couple missed assignments but I can take that so long as they're corrected. DJ looks lost most of the time though... and when he's not lost he's breaking down 5 yards in front of a RB instead of agressively running right thru him. That was the good thing about DJ Williams as a rookie. He played somewhat wreckless and wasn't afraid to make that big hit. Now, it's like he's afraid to deliver a blow b/c he might miss the tackle. Guess what, he's missing the tackles by breaking down and relying too much on technique. He's one of the 3 or 4 most athletic LB's in the league. USE THOSE TALENTS!!! Hopefully he'll come around but I'm concerned about DJ at the moment. Tell me something good about DJ.


Also note that Bates has gone on record as saying the defense is "behind" when compared to his units in Green Bay. I think we have better 'talent' but perhaps not better attitude.>???

[Kaylore]

Your correct. Imagine if this how the mane react to preseason lose, what going to happen during a lose in the regular season ???

You must be new around here. ;D The worst time to come here is after a loss. Everyone wants to hang themselves and everyone on the team sucks. After wins, everyone is saying "super bowl!" and our entire team is loaded with all-pros.

[crazyhorse]

I am sure the hole that is the planet was excited about Friday game. Impressive lose at home to the MIA.

Our boys looked like crap but I have more faith in them turning it around then a team lead by Sperm and Gunther.

You're either typing with your pecker or talking out of your ass.

Which is it?

[Kaylore]

Also note that Bates has gone on record as saying the defense is "behind" when compared to his units in Green Bay. I think we have better 'talent' but perhaps not better attitude.>???
What's interesting about that is at the start of camp he felt the team was ahead of schedule. Then after a preseason game he felt they're behind. I think it's something between the ears.

[Meck77]

Sure it's only pre-season but when your starting D and starting O play poorly you can't just discount that as pre-season and it means nothing. What it means is your starting D and starting O played poorly and need work. No excuses. Luckily we still have time pull it together.

To those knocking the camp reports I say this. Get your ass out to Denver next year and sweat your balls off for two weeks straight and bring us the news. Otherwise STFU! Mock that one was for you buddy.

[elsid13]

You're either typing with your pecker or talking out of your ass.

Which is it?

Crazy

It pretty obvious that you that one goal today and that is to attempt to rib the Denver fan base because of the lose. While younger members of the board might raise to bait, your act is getting extremely old and pathetic for some of us. Here my challenge for you; step it up and become quality member of board that wants to talk football and stop acting like Bobo.

I admit that Denver played like crap in yesterday preseason game , but Shanahan puts a quality competitive product on the field year in year out. I have a lot more faith in him winning then I would in Herm and Carl. Do want to debate why your organization is a better situation to win then Denver this season?

[Meck77]

Crazy

It pretty obvious that you that one goal today and that is to attempt to rib the Denver fan base because of the lose. While younger members of the board might raise to bait, your act is getting extremely old and pathetic for some of us. Here my challenge for you; step it up and become quality member of board that wants to talk football and stop acting like Bobo.

I admit that Denver played like crap in yesterday preseason game , but Shanahan puts a quality competitive product on the field year in year out. I have a lot more faith in him winning then I would in Herm and Carl. Do want to debate why your organization is a better situation to win then Denver this season?

I'll second that motion. Shape up Crazy or we are going to beat you down in the parking lot of Arrowhead.:thumbs:;D

[crazyhorse]

Crazy

It pretty obvious that you that one goal today and that is to attempt to rib the Denver fan base because of the lose. While younger members of the board might raise to bait, your act is getting extremely old and pathetic for some of us. Here my challenge for you; step it up and become quality member of board that wants to talk football and stop acting like Bobo.

I admit that Denver played like crap in yesterday preseason game , but Shanahan puts a quality competitive product on the field year in year out. I have a lot more faith in him winning then I would in Herm and Carl. Do want to debate why your organization is a better situation to win then Denver this season?

In an attempt to be non confrontational I will just say this.

After several attempts in the beginning of my time here I tried to "talk football" as you call it. It was met with smack and weak personal attacks. Since then I have settled in to be just one of the guys here. Willing to be a jackass at the drop of a hat.

However, there are a few board members here that have not acted in that manner, and thusly have been treated with respect from me. You aren't one of them. Now that you are feeling like your getting your ass handed to you, you are ready to challenge me to change. Inetesting concept to say the least.

It may make you feel better to know that I have been very mild after your ass whipping last night. No one knows better than I how the preseason works.

If you had the capacity to seperate football from real life, you'd know that my posts are pretty honest and accurate.

In other words, your lose is my gane.

[crazyhorse]

I'll second that motion. Shape up Crazy or we are going to beat you down in the parking lot of Arrowhead.:thumbs:;D

I'll miss the Denver game this year. 1st time in several years. You might get a win because of it.




















psyche.

[TailgateNut]

In other words, your lose is my gane.


:spit:

Drinking this early in the AM can't be good!

[crazyhorse]

Crazy

Do want to debate why your organization is a better situation to win then Denver this season?

To debate it at this time would be nothing but projections. A circle jerk, if you will.

Both teams are rebuilding.

[crazyhorse]

:spit:

Drinking this early in the AM can't be good!

Wow, you just came off as a dumbass.

One has to wonder why you posted at all.

[Tombstone RJ]

To debate it at this time would be nothing but projections. A circle jerk, if you will.

Both teams are rebuilding.

Actually, neither team is "rebuilding." Both are adjusting. However, in an "honest" assessment of each franchise, the Broncos are consistently fielding a winning product while the chefs are more up and down and definitely one and done in the playoffs.

[HEAV]

In other words, your lose is my gane.

Gain...

[HEAV]

Wow, you just came off as a dumbass.

One has to wonder why you posted at all.


Gain...

[crazyhorse]

Gain...


I realize this.

It was sarcasm after reading some of elsid13s posts. Lose should be loss as well.

Get with the program.

[crazyhorse]

Actually, neither team is "rebuilding." Both are adjusting. However, in an "honest" assessment of each franchise, the Broncos are consistently fielding a winning product while the chefs are more up and down and definitely one and done in the playoffs.

Uh huh.

Is that why you find yourself looking up at the Chiefs?

[elsid13]

In an attempt to be not confrontational I will just say this.

After several attempts in the beginning of my time here I tried to "talk football" as you call it. It was met with smack and weak personal attacks. Since then I have settled in to be just one of the guys here. Willing to be a jackass at the drop of a hat.

However, there are a few board members here that have not acted in that manner, and thusly have been treated with respect from me. You aren't one of them. Now that you are feeling like your getting your ass handed to you, you are ready to challenge me to change. Inetesting concept to say the least.

It may make you feel better to know that I have been very mild after your ass whipping last night. No one knows better than I how the preseason works.

If you had the capacity to seperate football from real life, you'd know that my posts are pretty honest and accurate.

In other words, your lose is my gane.


Come on crazy, I am sorry that you feel that we don't "respect" you. But need to admit today that most of the time you show up when there is lose trolling to rub the fan base nose in it. And most of your football thread usually are poor attempt to jab the mane's membership in thier collective eye. You admitted a long time ago to me that you don't really like talking hard core football, but enjoy the back and forth crap that happens between the fan bases. And you notice that most of board doesn't have a problem with truth from rival fans, it the BS crap that isn't supported by facts that is annoying. Like you running back suck or Shanahan cannot coach.

Plus I have no problem serparating life from Internet message board. If the mane or Denver football went away tomorrow it wouldn't cause a major crisis in my life. And what are you going to post that life shattering to us about a preseason lose??? No one died and the sun going rise tomorrow.

[Meck77]

Both teams are rebuilding.

I disagree. In fact I'm willing to bet we beat your chumps in your house this year. I'll even put $100 on it. Let's do it Crazy. You gave this nice little speech on the other thread on how you believe your posts are accurate. I think you are wrong and am willing to put up hard cash to prove otherwise. Are you?

I love football season!!!!!!!

[Requiem]

I agree with the "wake-up" call assessment more than us getting jinxed.

Injuries are a part of the game, and the great teams play through them and find ways to win. It's discouraging to see a guy like Ekuban go down, and to see all these other minor/major injuries rack up from camp through the pre-season, but that's the breaks.

I'm really not too worried about the team overall. I think we are still talented and have a shot for a playoff push. Everyone here seems to get down so early over the smallest of things. There are concerns that can be clearly seen, but the mental breakdowns going on here just remind me why sometimes you just have to stay away from the forums.

[Requiem]

I also don't agree with the assesment that the Broncos are rebuilding. More so, reloading. We have some aging players on the way out, but we have been reloading those positions for the past few years. Cornerback, defensive line, wide receiver, offensive line, etc. We've taken serious steps at many positions to get this team younger (Quarterback, Tight End) and we've done so.

If Denver goes 3-13 and is picking in the top ten, I'd say we'd be looking to "rebuild" as of right now, not so much.

[crazyhorse]

Come on crazy, I am sorry that you feel that we don't "respect" you. But need to admit today that most of the time you show up when there is lose trolling to rub the fan base nose in it. And most of your football thread usually are poor attempt to jab the mane's membership in thier collective eye. You admitted a long time ago to me that you don't really like talking hard core football, but enjoy the back and forth crap that happens between the fan bases. And you notice that most of board doesn't have a problem with truth from rival fans, it the BS crap that isn't supported by facts that is annoying. Like you running back suck or Shanahan cannot coach.

Plus I have no problem serparating life from Internet message board. If the mane or Denver football went away tomorrow it wouldn't cause a major crisis in my life. And what are you going to post that life shattering to us about a preseason lose??? No one died and the sun going rise tomorrow.

I'm always here. Judging from your response you pay little attention to my posting style. Or the content of it, for that matter.

Also where have I rubbed anyones nose in the loss? Just curious.

I just posted that Kay is a poser. You started whining about something else.

Finally, your respect is not required.

[Cito Pelon]

Really, we just have to wait a little while before making too many judgements. There's still the most important game of the preseason coming up next week, and there's still the final preseason game where the first-teamers can play as much as the staff feels is necessary to be ready for the opener.

I saw some bright spots yesterday. I'm not real worried right now, basically.

[HEAV]

I realize this.

It was sarcasm after reading some of elsid13s posts. Lose should be loss as well.

Get with the program.


How about Bob and yourself get with the damn program a not post on a Broncos board...

I have never posted/joined a rival teams board.

Ya ya I know TJ does and he started this ****... but he's an ass-hat just as you are...

[Tombstone RJ]

Uh huh.

Is that why you find yourself looking up at the Chiefs?

Wow, good come back there crazy. You really are dazzling me with your football talk.

[crazyhorse]

I disagree. In fact I'm willing to bet we beat your chumps in your house this year. I'll even put $100 on it. Let's do it Crazy. You gave this nice little speech on the other thread on how you believe your posts are accurate. I think you are wrong and am willing to put up hard cash to prove otherwise. Are you?

I love football season!!!!!!!

You're too late. I already have another bet for 50 with another Donk fan. If I lose, that's 50 bucks worth of car funds that go the wrong direction.

Catch me next season. You know I'm good for it. That's a bet I make every year. I always win. You cant win in Arrowhead. Betting money probably wont help that. Playing better football might though.

Which post is inaccurate, BTW.?

[crazyhorse]

I also don't agree with the assesment that the Broncos are rebuilding. More so, reloading. We have some aging players on the way out, but we have been reloading those positions for the past few years. Cornerback, defensive line, wide receiver, offensive line, etc. We've taken serious steps at many positions to get this team younger (Quarterback, Tight End) and we've done so.

If Denver goes 3-13 and is picking in the top ten, I'd say we'd be looking to "rebuild" as of right now, not so much.

I dont see a difference between rebuilding and reloading. You rebuild by reloading.

[Meck77]

You're too late. I already have another bet for 50 with another Donk fan. If I lose, that's 50 bucks worth of car funds that go the wrong direction.

Catch me next season. You know I'm good for it. That's a bet I make every year. I always win. You cant win in Arrowhead. Betting money probably wont help that. Playing better football might though.

Which post is inaccurate, BTW.?

wimp

[crazyhorse]

Wow, good come back there crazy. You really are dazzling me with your football talk.

Well, what do you expect. Your offer was "the Broncos are consitantly good". You are the new faders of the West to be honest. Thusly, you find yourself near the bottom of the West. It's accurate. I didn't expect you to like it.

[elsid13]

To debate it at this time would be nothing but projections. A circle jerk, if you will.

Both teams are rebuilding.

I can see your point if Denver was flushing away veteran salaries but that not the case, it actually adding vets to play this season. I do think that Shanahan is attempting to ensure that thier is young depth on the defense line that will help sustain future success that why the FO focused on that area in the draft. And strongly expect that was his goal last year with the Cutler pick last year.

What I don't understand KC front office is doing. If Croyle is really the future why not commit to him and let him be the face of the team, vs open competition with Huard? Isn't it better for Croyle to learn now then shuffle between the two QB? That what Shanahan did with Griese vs Brister.

[crazyhorse]

wimp

So you agree, my posts are accurate.

p.s. arent you a little short to be calling anyone a wimp?

Just sayin'.

[Broncoman13]

How about Bob and yourself get with the damn program a not post on a Broncos board...

I have never posted/joined a rival teams board.

Ya ya I know TJ does and he started this ****... but he's an ass-hat just as you are...

R-E-P!!!

[Tombstone RJ]

Well, what do you expect. Your offer was "the Broncos are consitantly good". You are the new faders of the West to be honest. Thusly, you find yourself near the bottom of the West. It's accurate. I didn't expect you to like it.

Here's the point Sunshine: You say both teams are "rebuilding." I say neither team is rebuilding, especially the Broncos.

Please justify your "rebuilding" comment so I can "talk football" with you.

[crazyhorse]

I can see your point if Denver was flushing away veteran salaries but that not the case, it actually adding vets to play this season. I do think that Shanahan is attempting to ensure that thier is young depth on the defense line that will help sustain future success that why the FO focused on that area in the draft. And strongly expect that was his goal last year with the Cutler pick last year.

What I don't understand KC front office is doing. If Croyle is really the future why not commit to him and let him be the face of the team, vs open competition with Huard? Isn't it better for Croyle to learn now then shuffle between the two QB? That what Shanahan did with Griese vs Brister.

I agree that they should have named Croyle the starter already. Whether he's going to be any good or not, who knows. But if we're are going there, it's time to commit.

Denver has changed a good chunk of the coaching staff if I remember correct. Not to mention shuffled a large part of the team. That's rebuilding. THere's nothing wrong with it. It seems to be a term that no one likes. But it's a constant in the NFL.

[crazyhorse]

Here's the point Sunshine: You say both teams are "rebuilding." I say neither team is rebuilding, especially the Broncos.

Please justify your "rebuilding" comment so I can "talk football" with you.

Rebuilding.

To change a multiple of parts on a machine that doesn't work well.

[Meck77]

So you agree, my posts are accurate.

p.s. arent you a little short to be calling anyone a wimp?

Just sayin'.

You aren't nothing but a chicken **** smak talker. Don't even have the nuts to bet more than $50? Whatever. I won't waste any more time with you. It's clear to me you have no faith if you won't even wager on the Broncos @ Chiefs game with me.

Don't waste your time fellas. Crazy is just full of **** and why should we expect anything different to come out of his mouth.

[Tombstone RJ]

Rebuilding.

To change a multiple of parts on a machine that doesn't work well.

Your definition of rebuilding is flawed. A team that is rebuilding is changing everything, including cutting money on the salary cap. They get rid of all the vets, bring in new young players through the draft primarily, change the offensive and defensive schemes and philosophies, and sometimes completely change the entire coaching staff, and quite possibly the front office too.

Last time I checked the Broncos are not doing this. Neither are the chiefs. Some current teams that are closer to true rebuilding, and not just retooling are the Texans, the Titans and a the Browns (they started when the fired Butch Davis).

[lazarus4444]

YOu guys are all very funny. Acting like our whole scheme was installed on offense and defense and that we just got beat straight up. It's pre-season, i'm not worried about it at all (except for the injuries of course) and i have the upmost confidence in our coaching staff! Get a grip people.

[Meck77]

YOu guys are all very funny. Acting like our whole scheme was installed on offense and defense and that we just got beat straight up. It's pre-season, i'm not worried about it at all (except for the injuries of course) and i have the upmost confidence in our coaching staff! Get a grip people.

We did get beat regardless of what scheme was put in. Our vanilla scheme was beat by theirs. Their starters played better than our starters. Did you not read Lynch/Champs or Bates comments on the game? Why make excuses? They aren't.

I have confidence also but I'm not such a homer that I can't admit our starters stunk up the field.

Cutler won't be any better than Jake was if we don't get all the phases of the game balanced. Jay is not Elway. He's basically a rookie and he's going to be on his back probably more than Jake if we don't tighten up the o-line.

[Popps]

YOu guys are all very funny. Acting like our whole scheme was installed on offense and defense and that we just got beat straight up. It's pre-season, i'm not worried about it at all (except for the injuries of course) and i have the upmost confidence in our coaching staff! Get a grip people.

Yea, people.... quit demanding improvement from your team.

EMBRACE MEDIOCRITY!!!!

[crazyhorse]

You aren't nothing but a chicken **** smak talker. Don't even have the nuts to bet more than $50? Whatever. I won't waste any more time with you. It's clear to me you have no faith if you won't even wager on the Broncos @ Chiefs game with me.

Don't waste your time fellas. Crazy is just full of **** and why should we expect anything different to come out of his mouth.

Damn........that was weak.

Are you tired?

I already knew you were a badass. You don't have to bet 100 bucks to prove it. I consider you the "Rocky Balboa" of orangemane.

Yo Adrian!

[NASurfer]

While I hate to agree with the pot smoker(Alec), he does have a point about the homerism factor that comes from the reporting we see posted.

Last year people fell in love with Mike Bell, he was being toted as the next TD. We all got to see a hard working kid, with marginal speed and a great eye for the cut back, but not the second coming of Davis.

When it comes to the reports, the coaches saw the same thing. Releasing Ron Dayne (who was reported to be not impressive) and promoting Mike Bell to starter. Before training camp it was supposed to be the same 2 back system as '05, with Dayne as the favorite to take over for Mike Anderson. I'm sure the coaches weren't expecting Bell to disappear in stretches like he did when they made that move.

But Socal and Kaylore do the best job they can, being a fan is going to lead to some homer love slip'n out. But let's face it what they see is what they see. It's 1's verse 2's and 3's in camp. Camp is more controlled, as opposed to facing another team in live action.

Agree with you on that :thumbsup:

Has for DJ... I loved the kid at MIAMI. He was great his rookie year at the weakside...then Gold was brought back

DJ can be a decent MLB. It's going to take time for the kid to get the feel. One off season and 2 pre season games aren't a good judge of his future.

What all the defenders, minus Champ, need is schooled on wrapping up tackles. DJ, Webster, Lynch, EndBerg, Gold...so one try to blow people up. Bates defense has been about making the tackle, wrap up, get the ball carrier on the ground.

Last night and even in the 9er game to many missed tackles and poor fundamentals on wrapping the tackle.

No doubt, this is essentially glorified practice for now. One good note is that these guys are doing this stuff when the games don't count, the coaches still have a chance to drill these fundamentals into their heads before the season starts.


Injuries... it's impossible to blame the staff for any injury that happened.

If I was shanny. I'd rest the first team next week in both practice and the game. Then the final week give them the first half and then the second team and 3rd.

Broncos need to figure out this Warren issue and bring in some bodies for the O-line fast!

Depending on Henry's condition, if it's worse then it looks, I call Corey Dillon and see what shape he is in.

With Ekuban done for the year, as most likely his career is over, I'd be on the phone with Simeon Rice.

Again let me state that we all have Homer in us... some are super-homer. I was last year with Jake, also was with Portis.

But Socal and Kay did this board a favor by posting the camp reports.

I'm with you on the rest of these points.

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[rbackfactory80]

I cant wait to see this board after a reg season loss especially with people on suicide watch now. You people are insane.

[Dagmar]

I cant wait to see this board after a reg season loss especially with people on suicide watch now. You people are insane.


Yup.

[~Crash~]

I disagree. In fact I'm willing to bet we beat your chumps in your house this year. I'll even put $100 on it. Let's do it Crazy. You gave this nice little speech on the other thread on how you believe your posts are accurate. I think you are wrong and am willing to put up hard cash to prove otherwise. Are you?

I love football season!!!!!!!

If you do this I would make someone on the bord hold the money chief fans will bet then not pay if they lose

[crazyhorse]

If you do this I would make someone on the bord hold the money chief fans will bet then not pay if they lose

I have as much, or more integrity than you will ever have in your lifetime.

No offense.

[Bronx33]

I have as much, or more integrity than you will ever have in your lifetime.

No offense.


And then you woke up and took the old lady to planned parenthood then cross town on the RTD to pick up a new cam for the new lawn ornament. :~ohyah!:

[Tombstone RJ]

I have as much, or more integrity than you will ever have in your lifetime.

No offense.

Riiight. Keep dreaming oh holier-then-thou chef's fan. Your such a stand up poster. :thanku:

[crazyhorse]

And then you woke up and took the old lady to planned parenthood then cross town on the RTD to pick up a new cam for the new lawn ornament. :~ohyah!:

Nope........I'm awake.

I stayed up to watch the Dallas/Denver game. Or whatever you call it.

[crazyhorse]

Riiight. Keep dreaming oh holier-then-thou chef's fan. Your such a stand up poster. :thanku:

I have integrity. If you dont have, then yes, I'm holier than thou.

[Rock Chalk]

I cant wait to see this board after a reg season loss especially with people on suicide watch now. You people are insane.

You cant see this board after a regular season loss.

It doesnt work.

[crazyhorse]

You cant see this board after a regular season loss.

It doesnt work.

:spit:

[Tombstone RJ]

I have integrity. If you dont have, then yes, I'm holier than thou.

You can't even hold down a football conversation without throwing slings and arrows. You still have not responded to my last post on the fact that the Broncos are NOT rebuilding.

Yep, your a stand up poster who dodges any real football talk. :thumbsup:

[Los Broncos]

I cant wait to see this board after a reg season loss especially with people on suicide watch now. You people are insane.

:D

[BroncoBuff]

I have as much, or more integrity than you will ever have in your lifetime.

No offense.

You're a Chefs fan.

No offense.

[Bronx33]

Nope........I'm awake.

I stayed up to watch the Dallas/Denver game. Or whatever you call it.


It's funny most KCers consider when the natty wears off as being(awake)

[crazyhorse]

You can't even hold down a football conversation without throwing slings and arrows. You still have not responded to my last post on the fact that the Broncos are NOT rebuilding.

Yep, your a stand up poster who dodges any real football talk. :thumbsup:

I disagree with you. Why keep saying it? The conversation was over.

No arrows.

New QB, new runner, new TE, new #1 WR reshuffling the D line again. New coaches. I mean what more do you want? You want to call it what you will and I will call it rebuilding. There really is nothing left to say.

You acting like you want to talk football is bull****. It's more of a pissing contest.

Which you're losing BTW.

[crazyhorse]

You're a Chefs fan.

No offense.

None taken.

[HEAV]

I have as much, or more integrity than you will ever have in your lifetime.

No offense.

...No offence...

No offense is your team without Larry Johnson...

[crazyhorse]

...No offence...

No offense is your team without Larry Johnson...


Yeah but.....

we will have instant offense against the Donks D line.

[sixtimeseight]

38 years and counting....

No offense. Literally.

[400HZ]

I disagree with you. Why keep saying it? The conversation was over.

No arrows.

New QB, new runner, new TE, new #1 WR reshuffling the D line again. New coaches. I mean what more do you want? You want to call it what you will and I will call it rebuilding. There really is nothing left to say.

You acting like you want to talk football is bull****. It's more of a pissing contest.

Which you're losing BTW.

Teams with rebuilding mentalities try to get younger and trim off salary cap fat. The Broncos did the opposite this year, bringing in a new group of journeymen and pushing their salary cap hits back. If the Broncos are rebuilding, then Shanahan hasn't heard about it.

[crazyhorse]

Teams with rebuilding mentalities try to get younger and trim off salary cap fat. The Broncos did the opposite this year, bringing in a new group of journeymen and pushing their salary cap hits back. If the Broncos are rebuilding, then Shanahan hasn't heard about it.

Cap purging may be a reason a team rebuilds. But it's hardly the definition for it.

When you turn over the roster the way the Donks have been doing it can easily be descibed as rebuilding.

What's the big problem with the term rebuilding, anyway? It seems like it's some unmentionable buzz word that means a team cant be competetive. Nothing can be further from the truth.

[sixtimeseight]

I can see why you don't have a problem using the term "rebuilding," considering it's been used to describe the Chiefs every year since 1969.

[OrangeShadow]

Call it what you want, rebuilding or re-tooling. The fact is Denver has shown they can do it while staying competitive. Something the Chiefs know nothing about.

[crazyhorse]

Call it what you want, rebuilding or re-tooling. The fact is Denver has shown they can do it while staying competitive. Something the Chiefs know nothing about.

I can only imagine your surprize when we whip your ass at least once a year.

[OrangeShadow]

I can only imagine your surprize when we whip your ass at least once a year.

Want to put your money where your mouth is?

[crazyhorse]

Want to put your money where your mouth is?


Sure!

1 million sound good?

What a dumbass.

[Popps]

Sure!

1 million sound good?

What a dumbass.

Pretty funny.

In a nutshell, you barf out junk all day long on this board... but tuck tail and run any time someone asks you to put up or shut up.

At least your consistent.

[OrangeShadow]

Sure!

1 million sound good?

What a dumbass.

Hey i was being serious. Im confident in Denvers ability to beat KC twice in a year. If you are as confident as you like to portray then why not place a wager? You talk all this **** then back peddle quicker than david carr behind houstons offensive line. Hilarious! what a tool.

[crazyhorse]

Hey i was being serious. Im confident in Denvers ability to beat KC twice in a year. If you are as confident as you like to portray then why not place a wager? You talk all this **** then back peddle quicker than david carr behind houstons offensive line. Hilarious! what a tool.


What if Henry and Cutler were injured? Would you still want to put money on it?

Too many variables happen in football that change the landscape. I dont put hundreds of dollars into football bets. It's foolhearty.

Your reaction is one of a person that cannot back up his opinion with fact, so he throws money at it in an attempt to level the playing field.

I've gone on record for years that I'm not willing to bet every Donk fan that I bitch slap a bunch of money. So you use it as a crutch when you know I wont bet. It's a weakness and I see it for what it is. Fact is, you dip****s were trying to bet me last year too. Who would have won that bet? Seems stupid to turn around and take the same chance agian. But your just stupid enough to do it. Thats your problem.

Just because your too stupid to hang on to your money for other things doesn't mean I am.

I said KC whips your ass every year and I was right. Throwing money at it wont make me wrong. If you cant take getting bitch slapped, then perhaps it's time to just stand clear and keep your mouth shut.

I'll tell you what, I'll bet you 50 the Donks dont win the Superbowl this year. How much "confidence" do you have again?

Yeah.....that's what I thought.

[SkinRamon]

Hey Denver fans,

How's my favorite ex-Redskin Patrick Ramsey doing?

What do you guys think of him so far?

I was able to watch the Dallas drive where he nailed an 80 or 90 yard pass play...that was classic Ramsey - that is - before he launched the ball - when he stepped into the pocket he did that weird double-hitch - Skins fans call it the javelin hop (former high-school javelin thrower) - before airing it out. His arm looks strong as ever.

I think your Coach could do wonders in revitalizing Ramsey's career and correcting his decision making and fundamental weaknesses while he serves as a backup. Many Skins fans think he got a raw deal here by getting abused under Spurrier and then shafted under Gibbs in favor of Ol' Lefty Brunell.

I just hope he makes the team. Your thoughts?

[sixtimeseight]

I'll tell you what, I'll bet you 50 the Donks dont win the Superbowl this year.

Cool, I'll take this bet. Pinnacle has Denver at +2711 to win the Super Bowl, so about 27:1, but I'll give you 25:1 to sweeten the pot. Naturally, since you will owe me $1250 if Denver does win the SB, we'll have to use an escrow account since I don't trust your fat ass as far as I can throw you (not far). Since I'm a generous guy, I'll split the escrow fees, win or lose.

So we have a deal, or what?

[elsid13]

Hey Denver fans,

How's my favorite ex-Redskin Patrick Ramsey doing?

What do you guys think of him so far?

I was able to watch the Dallas drive where he nailed an 80 or 90 yard pass play...that was classic Ramsey - that is - before he launched the ball - when he stepped into the pocket he did that weird double-hitch - Skins fans call it the javelin hop (former high-school javelin thrower) - before airing it out. His arm looks strong as ever.

I think your Coach could do wonders in revitalizing Ramsey's career and correcting his decision making and fundamental weaknesses while he serves as a backup. Many Skins fans think he got a raw deal here by getting abused under Spurrier and then shafted under Gibbs in favor of Ol' Lefty Brunell.

I just hope he makes the team. Your thoughts?


He'll make the team as #2 QB, but having lived in DC during his tour here, I not so sure that he is the best choice if Cutler goes down. He still take a helluva long time to release the ball and stand in the pocket far to long for my liking. The only advantage he has here vs DC is a coach that will successfully find a way to run the ball and take pressure off him.

I hate to say it, but someone need to break down all mechanics and start him from stretch again.

[SkinRamon]

I hate to say it, but someone need to break down all mechanics and start him from stretch again.
You're right. Thanks for the insight.

[OrangeShadow]

What if Henry and Cutler were injured? Would you still want to put money on it?

Too many variables happen in football that change the landscape. I dont put hundreds of dollars into football bets. It's foolhearty.

Your reaction is one of a person that cannot back up his opinion with fact, so he throws money at it in an attempt to level the playing field.

I've gone on record for years that I'm not willing to bet every Donk fan that I b**** slap a bunch of money. So you use it as a crutch when you know I wont bet. It's a weakness and I see it for what it is. Fact is, you dip****s were trying to bet me last year too. Who would have won that bet? Seems stupid to turn around and take the same chance agian. But your just stupid enough to do it. Thats your problem.

Just because your too stupid to hang on to your money for other things doesn't mean I am.

I said KC whips your ass every year and I was right. Throwing money at it wont make me wrong. If you cant take getting b**** slapped, then perhaps it's time to just stand clear and keep your mouth shut.

I'll tell you what, I'll bet you 50 the Donks dont win the Superbowl this year. How much "confidence" do you have again?

Yeah.....that's what I thought.


I don't pay attention to every little thing you post so I didn't know you weren't willing to bet. If i had known you were that opposed to it i wouldn't of brought it up. But you talk all this **** despite getting your ass kicked yearly at Invesco and not winning a playoff game in how long?

Ok, so you beat us at home once a year, congratulations. I guess you have to hold on to anything when your team sucks year in and year out.

Ill tell you what ill bet you 50 the Chefs don't win a playoff game. But hey that wouldn't be anything new or shocking now would it?

[crazyhorse]

Cool, I'll take this bet. Pinnacle has Denver at +2711 to win the Super Bowl, so about 27:1, but I'll give you 25:1 to sweeten the pot. Naturally, since you will owe me $1250 if Denver does win the SB, we'll have to use an escrow account since I don't trust your fat ass as far as I can throw you (not far). Since I'm a generous guy, I'll split the escrow fees, win or lose.

So we have a deal, or what?

You've obviously mistaken me for someone named pinnacle.

So, your not willing to bet me 50 bucks, huh?

Backpeddler.

[crazyhorse]

I don't pay attention to every little thing you post so I didn't know you weren't willing to bet. If i had known you were that opposed to it i wouldn't of brought it up. But you talk all this **** despite getting your ass kicked yearly at Invesco and not winning a playoff game in how long?

Ok, so you beat us at home once a year, congratulations. I guess you have to hold on to anything when your team sucks year in and year out.

Ill tell you what ill bet you 50 the Chefs don't win a playoff game. But hey that wouldn't be anything new or shocking now would it?

I dont talk a bunch of ****. I talk the facts.

I was simply commenting on how surprized you must be getting your ass handed to you once a year by the Chiefs(Which is a fact, not talking ****)

You're the one that ran off into left field over it. Go figure.

[sixtimeseight]

You've obviously mistaken me for someone named pinnacle.

So, your not willing to bet me 50 bucks, huh?

Backpeddler.

Didn't think so.

Next.

[crazyhorse]

Didn't think so.

Next.

It's gonna be fun breakin' you in.

[OrangeShadow]

I dont talk a bunch of ****. I talk the facts.

I was simply commenting on how surprized you must be getting your ass handed to you once a year by the Chiefs(Which is a fact, not talking ****)

You're the one that ran off into left field over it. Go figure.

Ok lets talk facts

Fact is the chefs have Zero conference championships, Zero super bowl titles,Zero playoff wins in the last 13 years. Have only made the playoffs 11 times in 36 years.

Want to take a shot at who has the highest winning percentage in the last 10 years? Go ahead take a guess.

[crazyhorse]

Ok lets talk facts

Fact is the chefs have Zero conference championships, Zero super bowl titles,Zero playoff wins in the last 13 years. Have only made the playoffs 11 times in 36 years.

Want to take a shot at who has the highest winning percentage in the last 10 years? Go ahead take a guess.

What does this have to do with rebuilding? See what I mean when I say you go off into left field?

Is Denver the answer to your question?

[Bronx33]

It's gonna be fun breakin' you in.


Crazy says this to all the kids walking home from school.

[sixtimeseight]

It's gonna be fun breakin' you in.

Too bad I already broke you, what with those two times you already got completely owned by me. Nice try though, better luck next time.

Next please.

[OrangeShadow]

What does this have to do with rebuilding? See what I mean when I say you go off into left field?

Is Denver the answer to your question?

You keep saying Denver is rebuilding,it just proves my point that Denver can re-tool and still be competitive year in and year out. While Kansas City has been rebuilding for 30 years and sucking ass at the same time.

[crazyhorse]

Too bad I already broke you, what with those two times you already got completely owned by me. Nice try though, better luck next time.

Next please.

You mean about the 50 dollar bet where I have to come up with 1200? Yeah, that was great stuff.

Chicken****, but great.

I wouldn't have bet the 50 in the 1st place really. Even though everyone here knows Denver has no chance at a Superbowl this year. You showing how gutless you are was cake. The fact you think I was owned in that trade was a strong indicator I will be wearing your ass out for some time.

Enjoy the ride rook.

[crazyhorse]

You keep saying Denver is rebuilding,it just proves my point that Denver can re-tool and still be competitive year in and year out. While Kansas City has been rebuilding for 30 years and sucking ass at the same time.

We agree that a team can "retool" and stay competetive. I said as much several posts ago.

While we have been sucking ass for 30 years, we continue to have a better all time record against the Donks. Thats gotta suck, huh?

tip: this is where you cherry pick a section of years where the Chiefs didn't have a better record playing against the Donks.

[OrangeShadow]

We agree that a team can "retool" and stay competetive. I said as much several posts ago.

While we have been sucking ass for 30 years, we continue to have a better all time record against the Donks. Thats gotta suck, huh?

tip: this is where you cherry pick a section of years where the Chiefs didn't have a better record playing against the Donks.

Don't get me wrong, 52-41 against Denver is pretty good. I'm just glad that it takes beating a specific team once a year to deem your season a success. Hilarious!

[crazyhorse]

Don't get me wrong, 52-41 against Denver is pretty good. I'm just glad that it takes beating a specific team once a year to deem your season a success. Hilarious!

I didn't even contend that we have been what I would consider sucessful. I was merely commenting on how it must feel to have your ass handed to you by what you consider such a lousy team. Surely you agree that doesn't look good for such a team as the _evner Broncos.

[OrangeShadow]

I didn't even contend that we have been what I would consider sucessful. I was merely commenting on how it must feel to have your ass handed to you by what you consider such a lousy team. Surely you agree that doesn't look good for such a team as the _evner Broncos.

Well considering you beat us by an average of 23-19 a game i fail to see how that qualifies as Denver getting their asses handed to them every year.

[crazyhorse]

Well considering you beat us by an average of 23-19 a game i fail to see how that qualifies as Denver getting their asses handed to them every year.

No, I dont guess it does.

Those numbers must lend at least some comfort knowing you didn't lose by much to a team that you say has sucked ass for 30 years.

I conceed the point.

[sixtimeseight]

You mean about the 50 dollar bet where I have to come up with 1200? Yeah, that was great stuff.

Chicken****, but great.

I wouldn't have bet the 50 in the 1st place really. Even though everyone here knows Denver has no chance at a Superbowl this year. You showing how gutless you are was cake. The fact you think I was owned in that trade was a strong indicator I will be wearing your ass out for some time.

Enjoy the ride rook.

Ok, so you pretty much admit that you don't know how "odds" or "wagering" works. In that case, I'll bet you $1000 straight up that the Chiefs don't win the Super Bowl.

No? Didn't think so. Make it four times you've been owned by me.

Next please.

[crazyhorse]

Ok, so you pretty much admit that you don't know how "odds" or "wagering" works. In that case, I'll bet you $1000 straight up that the Chiefs don't win the Super Bowl.

No? Didn't think so. Make it four times you've been owned by me.

Next please.


I do know how the odds and wagering works. No one on this thread, that I am aware of are/were making bets specific to any betting establishments or placing odds on those bets. It's just you making it all up as you go because for you it's the only way you have the capacity to respond.

I realize where it all comes from. Knowing that you havent posted on anything here except Chiefs threads for several days if not longer, it's easy to see that you are trying to make a name for yourself as a smack artist. Funny thing is, simply putting "next" at the end of each attempt makes you look less than creative.

In fact, if I were a betting man (which I'm not) I would be tempted to bet you have a wedgie scar that will never heal. One that makes every pair of jeans you own have a camel toe in the ass of them.

From now on I'll refer to you as Toetimestwo, or 2toes for short.

[sixtimeseight]

So I take it you aren't taking me up on my $1k bet? So sorry, better luck next time.

[vancejohnson82]

HOw come the Broncos have gone from being legitimate playoff contenders to fighting their way out of the cellar in less than 2 weeks?

I'm not even talking about the trolls....but some of the people that have been on here every day? I came over from the Scout.com site and there was a bit of an alarmist attitude, but this is crazy....is it like this on every missed third down? what the hell is it like during a loss


everyone CALM DOWN