View Full Version : One of the cheapest shots you'll ever see...
Taco John
08-17-2007, 05:38 PM
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Horrible!
MechanicalBull
08-17-2007, 05:47 PM
Ray Lewis was on the best damn sports show the other night and he said something to the effect of it was not a dirty play and if you are running down the field you are fair game.
It's one thing to make a hit on somebody but just like the Feagles hit a couple years ago these guys just do it to the punters just to do it.
24champ
08-17-2007, 05:48 PM
better watch where you are going if you are going to tackle somebody.
PRBronco
08-17-2007, 05:54 PM
Hmm, what do you think, $50k fine to John Lynch for this hit?
Crushaholic
08-17-2007, 05:57 PM
A. The punter didn't have the ball.
B. It's preseason.
That helmet-to-helmet hit was NOT necessary...
Orange_Beard
08-17-2007, 05:59 PM
Clearly leading with the helmet. That kind of stuff does not make the games better.
Dukes
08-17-2007, 05:59 PM
**** the Ravens. Their superstar should be in prison.
Flex Gunmetal
08-17-2007, 06:00 PM
That dude is a rugged Aussie rules player. Way to take a hit.
2KBack
08-17-2007, 06:01 PM
that was an effort to hurt someone, not make a block. There is a big difference.
on a positive note, that was a freakin 70 yard punt!
Prodigal19
08-17-2007, 06:01 PM
It was completely legal, but it was a bit cheap.
However, this reminds me of a couple of years ago when Al Wilson did something similar to a QB. I forgot who it was but I think he threw an int and then the Al Wilson just blew up the QB as he sort went after whoever intercepted it even though he had no chance of actually tackling him.
epicSocialism4tw
08-17-2007, 06:02 PM
Yeah...it was helmet-to-helmet.
If that guy is an aussie rules player, I betcha he can crack that loser #50's skull.
I'm sure he's been cheap-shotted before.
theAPAOps5
08-17-2007, 06:02 PM
Ray Lewis is one of the biggest hypocrites of his time. He would say the same thing even if was completely an illegal play. I can't wait until he leaves the NFL so we don't have to watch him do his murder dance anymore.
Didn't the punter also say that if that was his best hit then he feels bad for him. Aussie Rules guys are tough SOBs
PRBronco
08-17-2007, 06:03 PM
That dude is a rugged Aussie rules player. Way to take a hit.
Yeah gotta give him some credit, the way his head snapped back was nasty, prolly would have killed Trent Green.
g00fyfoot
08-17-2007, 06:04 PM
Props to that dude for getting up and laughing it off. 'Bout as cheap as they come.
Dr. Broncenstein
08-17-2007, 06:04 PM
That hit was legit... certified by "God's Linebacker"
cutthemdown
08-17-2007, 06:40 PM
IMO any shot after the whistle would be a bigger cheap shot then this. Between the lines, between the whistles. Only thing questionable was leading with helmet and going after a kicker. It's a dirty play but not as dirty as a baltant shot after the whistle has blown when a player shouldn't be expecting it. Welcome to the NFL kicker.
Broncobiv
08-17-2007, 06:40 PM
He led with his shoulder, not his helmet. Legal.
But didn't they enact some rule that if a player is not directly involved in the play, then it's a penalty for hitting him? To stop plays like this one, or hitting a QB after an INT if he's like 40 yards away from the ball?
OrangeShadow
08-17-2007, 06:41 PM
keep you head on a swivel, its football
cutthemdown
08-17-2007, 06:44 PM
keep you head on a swivel, its football
this is so true especially on special teams and turnovers. especially interceptions where mean ass defenders get a chance for licks on WR/RB/OL/QB trying to make a tackle.
Pezman
08-17-2007, 06:46 PM
Ok, strictly from a big stick point of view... BAM! Hell of a cheap shot but damn....
From a fan of the game POV, I'm stunned that the guy didnt get his jaw broken or worse from that hit. Wow, I wonder what the hell that Raven player was thinking on that?
NYBronco
08-17-2007, 06:49 PM
The hit was uncalled for. But is a clear reflection of the ravens team and the City of Baltimore.
The flag that was thrown was it for the hit on the punter or the retaliation by the eagle punters team mate?
dragondawg
08-17-2007, 06:54 PM
of course ray lewis is going to be bias, if it was one of his teammates he would probably get mad
cutthemdown
08-17-2007, 06:54 PM
Ok, strictly from a big stick point of view... BAM! Hell of a cheap shot but damn....
From a fan of the game POV, I'm stunned that the guy didnt get his jaw broken or worse from that hit. Wow, I wonder what the hell that Raven player was thinking on that?
He was thinking Oh boy, Oh boy this is going to be good.
theAPAOps5
08-17-2007, 06:56 PM
Imagine if that had been Brodie Croyle! Career ender right there. That punter has Croyle by at least 30 pounds.
DomCasual
08-17-2007, 07:34 PM
I hate the freakin' Ravens. That was completely unnecessary.
I bet Antwan Barnes has a little penis.
I'm just saying.
RunByDesign
08-17-2007, 07:45 PM
Hmm, what do you think, $50k fine to John Lynch for this hit?
Ain't that the truth.
Ratbird prolly won't even be reprimanded.
Popcorn Sutton
08-17-2007, 07:57 PM
Dirty.
BroncoBuff
08-17-2007, 07:59 PM
Reminds me totally of scum-bucket Warren Sapp laying out that Packers backup QB after an interception ... same deal. Sapp should be hung for threatening 50+ year-old Mike Sherman when Sherman tried to talk to him about it. Sapp is human garbage .......
Los Broncos
08-17-2007, 08:04 PM
Dam he was rocked
It was unnecessary but legal
sixtimeseight
08-17-2007, 08:05 PM
If you can get away with murder, you can get away with just about anything
PLOWHORSE
08-17-2007, 08:09 PM
Billick prolly patted Barnes on the butt and said nice play.
Bronco_Beerslug
08-17-2007, 08:10 PM
Spearing, helmet to helmet shot, nothing at all legal about that hit.
Rock Chalk
08-17-2007, 08:50 PM
Mike Pereira said there should have been a 15 yard penalty because of the helmet to helmet hit. So no Lynch, not legal.
listopencil
08-17-2007, 09:03 PM
Cheap shot, and helmet-to-helmet. Should be a fine.
Stuck In Texas
08-17-2007, 09:08 PM
He launched himself at the player while leading with the crown of his helmet. Definitely illegal. Kennoy Kennedy was fined for the same type of hit on Chris Chambers several years ago.
Los Broncos
08-17-2007, 09:53 PM
Mike Pereira said there should have been a 15 yard penalty because of the helmet to helmet hit. So no Lynch, not legal.
I don't think he led with the head did he?
gunns
08-17-2007, 10:21 PM
He led with his shoulder, not his helmet. Legal
My son thought so too, until he watched it again.
Bob's your Information Minister
08-17-2007, 10:37 PM
Lynch-esque.
Atlas
08-18-2007, 12:36 AM
Kind of reminds me of the Dale Carter block on Lionel Washington.
Victor
08-18-2007, 12:45 AM
Lynch-esque.
http://content.ytmnd.com/content/b/3/5/b35827c7cf8e4c09039430538bd9b2f1.jpg
It was NOT legal. Totally helmet to helmet. The guy basically speared the punter with his head. Who cares if it's a punter or not, those guys are fair game too. But you don't go try and crack somebody's helmet in two. That guy WILL get fined. It's preseason so nobody will hear about it but it's coming. The reason you don't want to do that to somebody is because a ton of players will call that a cheap shot and your name goes onto a "Hurt at all costs" list. No doubt he will be on every Eagles list as "player to take out". It's a tough enough league without trying to get on the "cheap shot artist" list.
You gus that think he lead with his shoulder need your contacts replaced. He totally moved his head down so that the crown would strike first and not the face mask. His shoulder follows the head, it usually does, it's attached to your body you know. Shoulder or no shoulder - if you lower the helmet so that the crown strikes the other players helmet - FINE. Period.
Atlas
08-18-2007, 12:54 AM
It was NOT legal. Totally helmet to helmet. The guy basically speared the punter with his head. Who cares if it's a punter or not, those guys are fair game too. But you don't go try and crack somebody's helmet in two. That guy WILL get fined. It's preseason so nobody will hear about it but it's coming. The reason you don't want to do that to somebody is because a ton of players will call that a cheap shot and your name goes onto a "Hurt at all costs" list. No doubt he will be on every Eagles list as "player to take out". It's a tough enough league without trying to get on the "cheap shot artist" list.
You gus that think he lead with his shoulder need your contacts replaced. He totally moved his head down so that the crown would strike first and not the face mask. His shoulder follows the head, it usually does, it's attached to your body you know. Shoulder or no shoulder - if you lower the helmet so that the crown strikes the other players helmet - FINE. Period.
I don't think the issue was if it was legal or not. It was a cheap shot on a punter after the play was over or about over.
Just like in 1996 when Dale Carter took Washington's knees out as he was looking away and the play was on the otherside of the field.
When I played football I would kill to get a block like that. It was a good block but still a cheap shot.
Northman
08-18-2007, 01:56 AM
Reminds me when Burns got blown up on a special teams play in Baltimore a few years ago. Major props for Burns to continue to play while every other Bronco forgot the rules but Burns paid the price by not watching what else was going on. As someone else mentioned, you just have to keep your head on a swivel. Kicker took it like a champ though.
KipCorrington25
08-18-2007, 02:08 AM
Wow, leaving the feet with the crown of the helmet, that is text book fine and suspension.
But on a bigger note the Ravens are the most ghetto, carpet bagging, POS franchise in the NFL and it all starts with that grade A ass hole head coach Brian Biliek, their former owner Model, and that felon Ray Ray... also, I must mention purple is the fagiest color in the spectrum.
KipCorrington25
08-18-2007, 02:16 AM
Lynch-esque.
OK Blob, step up and produce a video of Lynch leaving his feet and leading with the crown of his helmet to someone's chin 30 yards behind the play. You like to brag about your lame ass highlight videos so man up and prove this claim.
chickennob2
08-18-2007, 02:20 AM
Yeah...it was helmet-to-helmet.
If that guy is an aussie rules player, I betcha he can crack that loser #50's skull.
I'm sure he's been cheap-shotted before.
He's just trying to adjust to games with helmets. In aussie rules you dont have that kind of cheap **** because the coward "blocker" cant hide behind his helmet.
I don't think the issue was if it was legal or not. It was a cheap shot on a punter after the play was over or about over.
Just like in 1996 when Dale Carter took Washington's knees out as he was looking away and the play was on the otherside of the field.
When I played football I would kill to get a block like that. It was a good block but still a cheap shot.
If you call a helmet to helmet spear a good block then yes, it was a good block and we at least agree it was cheap. He ruined it IMHO. He had him lined up and it could have been a fantastic block but he used the crown and went high. But I loved how his teamate had his back and went to knock the other chump down. That's what teamates do. Only he should have dove into the back of his legs instead of just pushing him down.
Atlas
08-18-2007, 04:04 AM
If you call a helmet to helmet spear a good block then yes, it was a good block and we at least agree it was cheap. He ruined it IMHO. He had him lined up and it could have been a fantastic block but he used the crown and went high. But I loved how his teamate had his back and went to knock the other chump down. That's what teamates do. Only he should have dove into the back of his legs instead of just pushing him down.
Even if he did go helmet to helmet it wasn't a "cheap shot" because of that. If he went helmet to helmet it was probably an accident. It's hard not to go helmet to helmet when you tackle someone. You really have to concentrate on doing it because it's just natural to have your head in there.
ZachKC
08-18-2007, 04:07 AM
I am literally shocked by all the people who seem to think it was "cheap but legal"
Nothing legal about that shot. If that isn't a helmet to helmet hit then nothing is.
ZachKC
08-18-2007, 04:12 AM
He led with his shoulder, not his helmet. Legal.
You couldn't be more wrong.
24champ
08-18-2007, 04:16 AM
You couldn't be more wrong.
There's two different angles, first one shows him leading with his shoulder, the other it appears he led with his head...
Atlas
08-18-2007, 04:33 AM
I am literally shocked by all the people who seem to think it was "cheap but legal"
Nothing legal about that shot. If that isn't a helmet to helmet hit then nothing is.
Just because it might be helmet to helmet doesn't mean it's a cheapshot. That would just mean it was illegal.
ZachKC
08-18-2007, 04:39 AM
Just because it might be helmet to helmet doesn't mean it's a cheapshot. That would just mean it was illegal.
Yes.
Thats why I am saying. I can't believe all the people that think this was cheap but legal.
:kiddingme
Rock Chalk
08-18-2007, 06:19 AM
I don't think the issue was if it was legal or not. It was a cheap shot on a punter after the play was over or about over.
Just like in 1996 when Dale Carter took Washington's knees out as he was looking away and the play was on the otherside of the field.
When I played football I would kill to get a block like that. It was a good block but still a cheap shot.
No Atlas, as usual you are wrong. It was an illegal hit because of the helmet to helmet nature of it but the Punter is like any other player on the field, better keep your head on a swivel and he is fair game.
Popps
08-18-2007, 11:30 AM
First off, he led with his helmet. That, alone should get him fined for this.
That One Guy
08-18-2007, 11:40 AM
Anytime you destroy a player like that who isn't in the play, that's a cheap shot. The punter was doing his thing and making sure he could be the safety incase the runner got back there. If the Raven was really interested in blocking for the return, there's plenty more players he could've been trying to block to contribute to the play. The punter was targetted because he was the punter and the Raven was hitting someone just to hit them. When you blindside someone for fun and lay into em like that, that's a cheap shot. The illegal factor can't really be argued, he clearly puts his helmet right up into the punter's helmet.
Dr. Broncenstein
08-18-2007, 11:44 AM
Anytime you destroy a player like that who isn't in the play, that's a cheap shot. The punter was doing his thing and making sure he could be the safety incase the runner got back there. If the Raven was really interested in blocking for the return, there's plenty more players he could've been trying to block to contribute to the play. The punter was targetted because he was the punter and the Raven was hitting someone just to hit them. When you blindside someone for fun and lay into em like that, that's a cheap shot. The illegal factor can't really be argued, he clearly puts his helmet right up into the punter's helmet.
exactly
Rohirrim
08-18-2007, 11:49 AM
Helmet on helmet, on a punter, in a preseason game? What can you expect from those chicken **** ratbirds?
Raidersbane
08-18-2007, 12:10 PM
What can you expect from those chicken **** ratbirds?
Knifings and speeding getaway cars maybe?
cambrad8085
08-18-2007, 01:53 PM
If I was that Eagle that stood up for the punter, I would have cleated the linebacker in the calf.
footstepsfrom#27
08-18-2007, 02:06 PM
It was completely legal, but it was a bit cheap.
Helmet to helmet hits are ILLEGAL.
footstepsfrom#27
08-18-2007, 02:09 PM
Ray Lewis was on the best damn sports show the other night and he said something to the effect of it was not a dirty play and if you are running down the field you are fair game.
Well there you go...I mean who would know more about dirty plays than Ray Lewis? ???
Strap it up, its a violent game.
I wanted us to draft Barnes. The guys is going to be a very good player for the Ravens. They got another one.
enjolras
08-18-2007, 03:01 PM
Even if it's technically 'legal', it doesn't mean there is a place for it in the game. It's about the spirit of the rules and the game itself. Even if it's "technically" ok, that's hardly the same as being right.
Cheap shot, cheap player, I hope he gets his ass handed to him by somebody.
BMF Bronco
08-18-2007, 03:11 PM
****ing convict pricks!
Garcia Bronco
08-18-2007, 03:19 PM
I am literally shocked by all the people who seem to think it was "cheap but legal"
Nothing legal about that shot. If that isn't a helmet to helmet hit then nothing is.
He got under his helmet....but he was leading with his shoulder. We go over this crap every year. Helmet to helmet hit are legal in certain areas on the field. The are not legal on a defenseless receiver. The are legal however in the open field.
This hit might have been legal, but it certainly wasn't cool.
Broncos4tw
08-18-2007, 03:36 PM
If this had been a Bronco punter or Elam, would you be singing the same tune? It was incredibly cheap and uncalled for. He lowered his head and led with the crown. He should be fined, and those kinds of shots are as cheap as they come. It wsan't as if the punter was anywhere close to make the tackle.
Man, I thought I knew Bronco players, and they were class acts. How in the hell could you call that anything but incredibly cheap and wussy? Such a big man, can take down a punter who is slowing up and not even looking his way. Wadda guy.
Crushaholic
08-18-2007, 03:46 PM
Looking at it again, he DID lead with his shoulder. However, the hit was still completely unnecessary in a pre-season game. On the other side, I didn't catch that was former K-Stater Yamon Figurs returning the ball...:thumbsup:
That One Guy
08-18-2007, 03:49 PM
Even if he led with his shoulder, this is where the phrase UNNECESSARY roughness comes in.
Garcia Bronco
08-18-2007, 03:51 PM
If this had been a Bronco punter or Elam, would you be singing the same tune? It was incredibly cheap and uncalled for. He lowered his head and led with the crown. He should be fined, and those kinds of shots are as cheap as they come. It wsan't as if the punter was anywhere close to make the tackle.
Man, I thought I knew Bronco players, and they were class acts. How in the hell could you call that anything but incredibly cheap and wussy? Such a big man, can take down a punter who is slowing up and not even looking his way. Wadda guy.
It's football. there is reason they get paid all that money and wear all that armor. It's a health hazard, and they get hazard pay. Doesn't matter that the guy was a punter. He was running down field. Like I said...it was aggressive for the situation, and it may have been cheap, but he put his shoulder into him as much as he hit his head under his helmet. He was also moving side ways, not lunging forward.
bpinna
08-18-2007, 03:59 PM
NFL director of officiating calls it's helmet-to-helmet:
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/08/15/nfl-head-of-referees-on-sav-rocca-hit-this-should-have-been-a/
Yesterday we noted the brutal hit that Ravens linebacker Antwan Barnes dished out to Eagles punter Saverio Rocca, who was playing his first NFL game after a long and distinguished career in Australian rules football.
Today on NFL Network's Total Access, the league's director of officiating, Mike Pereira, acknowledged that the officials on the field screwed up by failing to throw the flag on Barnes.
"We should have called it," Pereira said. "This should have been a 15-yard penalty."
Although it's legal to hit a punter who's running down the field while the play is still going on, Barnes should have been flagged because the hit was helmet to helmet. So next time you drill an unsuspecting punter, Mr. Barnes, make it shoulder pad to shoulder pad.
In any event, I think the way Rocca got back up gave a lot of American fans an increased respect for the toughness of Aussie footy players.
ZachKC
08-18-2007, 04:16 PM
NFL director of officiating calls it's helmet-to-helmet:
Of course it is...all of these leading with the shoulder people must be retarded or blind.
Northman
08-18-2007, 05:25 PM
If this had been a Bronco punter or Elam, would you be singing the same tune?
And if you think this hit was done by Lynch there wouldnt be a lot of these same people defending him? Ha!
epicSocialism4tw
08-18-2007, 05:31 PM
And if you think this hit was done by Lynch there wouldnt be a lot of these same people defending him?
Lynch isnt a classless scrub like this Ravens putz. I cant remember ever seeing Lynch making such a spineless and yellow play. Lynch hits with purpose. This guy was just trying to light up the punter.
That One Guy
08-18-2007, 05:37 PM
Of course there are homers out there who will see no good in what the opponents do and no bad in what their team does but that doesn't mean that every scenario is such a case. I thought it was awesome when LJ took Palomalu down by his hair last year but thought it was jacked up when someone tried to rip off LJs head the week before. We generally agree with some hits like the Lynch one because there was nothing really wrong with it. There were some defending Nalen last year in his bout with Igor but generally folks can agree that while it wasn't as bad as drilling the unsuspecting punter, Nalen was probably attempting a little bit of a cheap shot. Just because some people are homers doesn't prevent them from being able to call a cheap shot when there is one.