Dolphins @ Chiefs 8-16-2007 Game Thread

[Bronco_Beerslug]

On now. Who is going to suck the best :)

[Prodigal19]

im not sure i can stand anotehr espn brodcast. they are so painful

[Los Broncos]

Just tuned in via online

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Good start for the Chiefs.....sacked on first down.

[Flex Gunmetal]

So I saw sack, gonzo, #84 get hung up and a shanked FG?

[Sodak]

im not sure i can stand anotehr espn brodcast. they are so painful


Where do we send our complaints? And, would ANYONE care?

ESPN's coverage of NFL games is absolutely unforgivably, incredibly ****ing terrible. I'm sick of the game becoming a sideline to all the inane bio's and interviews. ESPN should die.

[MechanicalBull]

so which idiotic annoying celeb will be in the booth this week and force me to press mute?

[CBF1]

I refuse to listen to any ESPN football game. If I wanted my ears to bleed, I wouls shove an ice pick into them.:espnsux:

[Los Broncos]

Good defense KC

[Moon§hiner]

Trint just drove his team down to the 3 against a "top ten" defense with a pitiful offensive line in front of him and got a field goal....time to start a thread "Brodie Vs Trint"

[TheChamp24]

Miami has a horrible OL, absolutely horrible.

[Los Broncos]

Miami has a horrible OL, absolutely horrible.

Yes it looks bad

[KCStud]

God Huard just looks nervous out there. Defense looks great though. But where is Bowe?

[TheChamp24]

Good job Huard, good job.

[TheChamp24]

Oh boy, look at that electrifying return by Ginn!

[Los Broncos]

Oh boy, look at that electrifying return by Ginn!

He made the first guy miss, not much after that.

[Flex Gunmetal]

Nice face plant!

[RkyMtnThunder]

only following on gamecast (still at work)

But the numbers seem to favor Miami as being more productive thus far in the game...

does it 'look' like that too?

[Cito Pelon]

Ginn was a joke on that punt return. He had room galore to run and dicked around. That was a PR's dream, nobody near him when he caught the ball.

[Moon§hiner]

Boy that defense is really shutting them down...2nd string QB for Miami has led them back into the red zone.

[TheChamp24]

Gotta admit, Ronnie Brown is one hell of a RB. If he had an OL to run behind, 1800 yards and 20 TD's probably wouldn't be out of the question.

[Flex Gunmetal]

KC starting D still out there...and getting ran over.

[Cito Pelon]

so which idiotic annoying celeb will be in the booth this week and force me to press mute?

Maybe they learned their lesson.

[TheChamp24]

only following on gamecast (still at work)

But the numbers seem to favor Miami as being more productive thus far in the game...

does it 'look' like that too?

Oh yeah, a lot more productive, although Miami's OL is doing a really horrible job.
If the QB's for Miami get time, its a completion just about every single time.

[Los Broncos]

I hope they score a TD here :rofl:

[RkyMtnThunder]

1st (and most relevant preseason game) quarter coming to a close

score may be 0-0 but all the other numbers are heavily favoring Miami

Appears KC still has problems against the run huh?

and no one but Tony G to catch the ball?

Nice to see em maintain the status quo

[KCStud]

KC has a good red zone defense. 2 drives for only a FG

[KCStud]

1st (and most relevant preseason game) quarter coming to a close

score may be 0-0 but all the other numbers are heavily favoring Miami

Appears KC still has problems against the run huh?

and no one but Tony G to catch the ball?

Nice to see em maintain the status quo

But yet they only got a FG. Go figure

[Cito Pelon]

He made the first guy miss, not much after that.

Hell, that first guy wasn't within 5 yds of him when he caught the ball. And there was only that one guy anywere near him. The Dolphin folks must be going nuts. That was one pathetic attempt at a punt return.

[NYBronc]

KC has a good red zone defense. 2 drives for only a FG

Nice spin. Here's the uncensored version from the planet. lol

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[RkyMtnThunder]

KC has a good red zone defense. 2 drives for only a FG

Thats helpful and nice to have something positive to take from an otherwise meaningless game

[Bronco_Beerslug]

But yet they only got a FG. Go figureMiami has a horrible offense, your defense is getting owned by a puke team.

[cabronco]

Where do we send our complaints? And, would ANYONE care?

ESPN's coverage of NFL games is absolutely unforgivably, incredibly ****ing terrible. I'm sick of the game becoming a sideline to all the inane bio's and interviews. ESPN should die.

Go to espn web site , filter thru it and find where it has comments for MNF. I wrote them about their poor coverage and all the darn interviews and other things. They have not reponded, they probably just hit delete.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

"The penalty is the best thing the chiefs offense has done"

LOL

[Moon§hiner]

man that Bennet looks impressive.....they don't need LJ

[KCStud]

Really? How many TD's have they scored? Wait...

[TheChamp24]

Thanks for ESPN for letting us know what the heck is going on the game, oh wait. Miami only got a penalty on them that netted KC a 1st down and I had no idea what the heck happened.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Really? How many TD's have they scored? Wait...

:oyvey:


Bend but dont break - that may be a positive for you.

But you cant possibly be telling us you actually like what you are seeing so far in this game?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

:oyvey:
Bend but dont break - that may be a positive for you.
But you cant possibly be telling us you actually like what you are seeing so far in this game?The Chiefs look like crap on both sides of the ball so far. We'll kill them if this the best defense they have to offer.

[Jackson's *Mom*]

Cheaps Planet is starting to realize that the Chiefs SUCK!!!!

[RkyMtnThunder]

early stages (only part that matters) of this preseason game

Miami 6 1st downs, KC 2

Miami 109 yards offense, KC 38....


But hey, at least they arent scoring TDs


Whatever makes Chief fan feel better about what he is watching I guess...


yeah, yeah....these games dont matter. Then why do you feel that anger building up inside as you watch the game? (dont deny)

[RkyMtnThunder]

The Chiefs look like crap on both sides of the ball so far. We'll kill them if this the best defense they have to offer.

I like to hear it.

But in the same light, it kinda sucks from rivalry perspective to think the AFC West is only going to be about 2 teams.

Oh well....


I wont complain if we sweep them this year

[Jackson's *Mom*]

Can't wait to see how bobo is going to spin this

[Moon§hiner]

early stages (only part that matters) of this preseason game

Miami 6 1st downs, KC 2

Miami 109 yards offense, KC 38....


But hey, at least they arent scoring TDs


Whatever makes Chief fan feel better about what he is watching I guess...


yeah, yeah....these games dont matter. Then why do you feel that anger building up inside as you watch the game? (dont deny)But, But, But, Brodie will lead them back against the second string...(I have my doubts)

[NYBronc]

Cheaps Planet is starting to realize that the Chiefs SUCK!!!!

This is my favorite so far:

HA HA HA HA HA HA

we are the softest team in the league on both sides of the ball....I'm going to kill my neighbor now

[KCStud]

early stages (only part that matters) of this preseason game

Miami 6 1st downs, KC 2

Miami 109 yards offense, KC 38....


But hey, at least they arent scoring TDs


Whatever makes Chief fan feel better about what he is watching I guess...


yeah, yeah....these games dont matter. Then why do you feel that anger building up inside as you watch the game? (dont deny)

Coming from the fan of a team that gave up 10 YPC in their preseason game

[RkyMtnThunder]

Is Cleo Lemon really 5 for 5 so far?!?

Damn I wish I could see this!

Starting to sound like high comedy!

[TheChamp24]

Wow, Chiefs look so bad. Aside from the Dolphins first drive when Trint looked a little rusty, they have been able to get some 1st downs and drive down the field really.

[KCStud]

Funny that KC's starters gave up less than points in two games then Denvers defense gave up in two drives Hilarious!

[RkyMtnThunder]

Coming from the fan of a team that gave up 10 YPC in their preseason game

Hey, I am sure you enjoyed that!

So dont be all sour grapes as we enjoy this

[TheChamp24]

Coming from the fan of a team that gave up 10 YPC in their preseason game

Uh, what? The total ended up being 4.1 ypc.

[KCStud]

Hey, I am sure you enjoyed that!

So dont be all sour grapes as we enjoy this

Your team also gave up 10 points in 2 drives. KC has given up 3 in 3 Miami drives

[RkyMtnThunder]

Funny that KC's starters gave up less than points in two games then Denvers defense gave up in two drives Hilarious!

Tell ya what though...

we were able to put up a hell of a lot more than 32 total offensive yards at this stage in the game

:welcome:

[Jackson's *Mom*]

This is my favorite so far:

It's great, let's see some gems so for

"Derrick Johnson is overated"

"I long for the days of Ryan Simms"

"Get used to it, poor coaching. period"

"This Offense is horrible" yea you think :chiefssux

"Our Offense looks Raiderish, wtf"

"How many ways can you spell "suck"

"god I swear we just look like total ****.....no excuses our coaches have this team looking like total crap"

And it goes on & on & on & on & onHilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[TheChamp24]

Your team also gave up 10 points in 2 drives. KC has given up 3 in 3 Miami drives

In the regular season, it would've been 6 because I doubt Cam goes for it on that 4th and goal like that in a real game.
Also, 49ers offense > Dolphins offense

[NYBronc]

Brodie looks good on his first drive.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Your team also gave up 10 points in 2 drives. KC has given up 3 in 3 Miami drives

So you think Miami is pretty bad ass football team then huh?


Yeah, Alex Smith wouldnt even make their team


:thumbs:

[TheChamp24]

Oh, and I loved the Derrick Johnson tackling technique he had when he whiffed on a pass to the back earlier.

Damn, Croyle starts out 3-3

[NYBronc]

It's great, let's see some gems so for

"Derrick Johnson is overated"

"I long for the days of Ryan Simms"

"Get used to it, poor coaching. period"

"This Offense is horrible" yea you think :chiefssux

"Our Offense looks Raiderish, wtf"

"How many ways can you spell "suck"

"god I swear we just look like total ****.....no excuses our coaches have this team looking like total crap"

And it goes on & on & on & on & onHilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

I saw one that was "We're just like the Raiders but without the D!" LOL

[RkyMtnThunder]

Oh, and I loved the Derrick Johnson tackling technique he had when he whiffed on a pass to the back earlier.

Damn, Croyle starts out 3-3

Ya know...good for him.

But we are already into the meaningless portion of this game. What happens here on out doesnt really indicate a thing.

KC could not have liked what they saw from their starting units. Heck, I am only following on gamecast and the score doesnt indicate how lopsided the game appeared




PS - didnt they suck out loud against the Browns too?!?


My goodness - KC fan has got to be concerned about their team

[That One Guy]

Croyle looking very good... think they'd stil take Cutler for him?

[Jackson's *Mom*]

Oh, and I loved the Derrick Johnson tackling technique he had when he whiffed on a pass to the back earlier.

Damn, Croyle starts out 3-3

Is this against the first string or second jth1331? If it's against the second string yawn!!!!

[Broncos_OTM]

Croyle definetly is having a better week then last week.

[JLesSPE]

Well I think Croyle just won the starting job.

[TheChamp24]

I think Croyle is gonna win the starting QB job.
Nice looking good against the Dolphin scrubs lol. No pressure on Croyle whatsoever.
Good job of Croyle being able to get a cup of coffee, find his read and complete the pass though. Had WIDE OPEN guys.

EDIT: This was against the Dolphins backups, their starters are out now.

[KCStud]

wow

Brodie=5/6 68 passing yards and a TD on his first drive. Croyle is playing like he wants the job.

Looked like Cutler on that drive

[Kaylore]

That was a good drive by Croyle. He was very decisive in his throws and seemed to understand better what he was doing with himself. I wonder if Solari wants Croyle to start and that's why he called all passing plays for Croyle versus a bunch of runs for Huard to try and sway things toward that side. Croyle still can't hold Cutler's jock, though.

[TheChamp24]

Wow, gg Croyle, gg
What a throw that was, right to the Miami CB

[Broncos_OTM]

There ya go croyle. great pass. hes definelty playing like a rookie. UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN at least its a upgrade from last week where it was DOWN DOWN DOWN

[Bronco_Beerslug]

wow

Brodie=5/6 68 passing yards and a TD on his first drive. Croyle is playing like he wants the job.

Looked like Cutler on that drive
LOL

Geeezus, against a sh*tty second team defense you think the rookie Coyle is something........ ROFL!

[TheChamp24]

haha, falling off his back foot lofting it up to the end zone like that. Wow, what a HORRIBLE throw.

[RkyMtnThunder]

just threw a pic

was it on him - or was it tipped?

[Moon§hiner]

There's the Brodie we all know and love

[KCStud]

Ouch another rookie mistake. NEVER loft the ball like that. Should have thrown to Kolby Smith in the flat

[NYBronc]

Once Carl left the booth, Brodie shot his load too quick.

[TheChamp24]

just threw a pic

was it on him - or was it tipped?

Oh, it was defnintely on him. Threw off his back foot, falling back, lofted it up into the end zone and no Chief was close to it really.

[Kaylore]

That was just Croyle getting too up. He needs to try and keep an even keel and stay calm.

[broncofan2438]

Chiefs Suck

[cabronco]

Brodie knew it was a bad decision and threw it anyways...lol

[RkyMtnThunder]

ah - probably just got a little excited and tried to do something he might have gotten away with in college


I honestly hope Croyle winds up the starter week 1. Why would I want to see experienced Huard with his 10-1 td/int ratio get the nod?

[KCStud]

Brodie needs a lot more experience. He's trying to make the big play too often and is making mistakes. He does have the tools though. Just needs time

[Broncos_OTM]

Are we gonna be able to see the Chiefs First rounder tonight?

[cabronco]

Why have the queefs been playing alot of their starters so long ? Miami pulled theres after Green went out..I guess different views from 2 different coaches.

[ohiobronco2]

Funny that KC's starters gave up less than points in two games then Denvers defense gave up in two drives Hilarious!


This just in, you're a dumb***.

[Kaylore]

Why have the queefs been playing alot of their starters so long ? Miami pulled theres after Green went out..I guess different views from 2 different coaches.

Crappy franchises like to do this to try and win home preseason games so they trick fans into thinking they'll be good this year. Arizona did this as well.

[JLesSPE]

Crappy franchises like to do this to try and win home preseason games so they trick fans into thinking they'll be good this year. Arizona did this as well.

LOL

[RkyMtnThunder]

Crappy franchises like to do this to try and win home preseason games so they trick fans into thinking they'll be good this year. Arizona did this as well.

AZ hasnt played a home preseason game yet?

[KCStud]

Crappy franchises like to do this to try and win home preseason games so they trick fans into thinking they'll be good this year. Arizona did this as well.

You are an idiot. The team is obviously trying to see both QB's in with the first stringers. Do you even watch the NFL?

[Broncos_OTM]

Crappy franchises like to do this to try and win home preseason games so they trick fans into thinking they'll be good this year. Arizona did this as well.
I think this is off base they said that he is getting reps with the first team so he can gel. smart move if you ask me. why do we think schefler and a few others played so well last year

[cabronco]

Crappy franchises like to do this to try and win home preseason games so they trick fans into thinking they'll be good this year. Arizona did this as well.

Well the trick is working with the Mullet fans, they're high fiving spilling beers after 10 yard gains against Dolphin 2nd stringers. Ha!

[KCStud]

It's just like Jaws just said

"Croyle has all the tools to be a good NFL QB, but is still making the mistakes that most young QB's make. Croyle's biggest flaw right now is experience and that will only get better over time."

Sounds a lot like what people said about Alex Smith last preseason

[Kaylore]

Watching Croyle play confident, have some success and then go into a hole at the first mistake reminded me of why I like Cutler. Cutler is very cool and plays the same way no matter what's happening around him. He doesn't get too high or too low and Croyle seems like someone that will struggle to keep his emotions from affecting his play.

Lemon sucks. He throws to check downs and really isn't any good. I want to see John Beck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kaylore]

I think this is off base they said that he is getting reps with the first team so he can gel. smart move if you ask me. why do we think schefler and a few others played so well last year

They took reps on the second team with Cutler.

[RkyMtnThunder]

It's just like Jaws just said

"Croyle has all the tools to be a good NFL QB, but is still making the mistakes that most young QB's make. Croyle's biggest flaw right now is experience and that will only get better over time."

Sounds a lot like what people said about Alex Smith last preseason

well - Alex Smith did throw 1 TD vs 11ints in his 1st full year as starter....

buckle your safety belt

[KCStud]

well - Alex Smith did throw 1 TD vs 11ints in his 1st full year as starter....

buckle your safety belt

And the next year he started winning on the road, including kicking your Donkeys out of the playoffs.
Now this year people say he has a good shot at being a pro bowler. It all takes time.

[RkyMtnThunder]

And the next year he started winning on the road, including kicking your Donkeys out of the playoffs.
Now this year people say he has a good shot at being a pro bowler. It all takes time.

So

seems like you are starting to accept the fact your team is likely going to be terrible this year.

Thats cool - break the shackles of denial and embrace the light!

Good for you!

[KCStud]

Watching Croyle play confident, have some success and then go into a hole at the first mistake reminded me of why I like Cutler. Cutler is very cool and plays the same way no matter what's happening around him. He doesn't get too high or too low and Croyle seems like someone that will struggle to keep his emotions from affecting his play.

Lemon sucks. He throws to check downs and really isn't any good. I want to see John Beck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Croyle's problem is that he tries to do too much and make the big play when he should throw the open man and get about 5-10 yards instead of an INT

[eddie mac]

Your team also gave up 10 points in 2 drives. KC has given up 3 in 3 Miami drives

New defensive systems always require a transition period. Better to iron out the wrinkles in pre-season when the games mean ****-all.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Croyle's problem is that he tries to do too much and make the big play when he should throw the open man and get about 5-10 yards instead of an INT

Croyles problem is that he is Jake Plummer?

Well - hope he posts 74% win percentage for you as well...

[frerottenextelway]

Looks like Plummer out there. Makes a couple of great plays ... scrambles around a little ... and out of nowhere comes a lob to the other team.

Chiefs should start him this year, when they're not going to be a contender this year anyways, and get him prepped for next year and the years after.

[Jackson's *Mom*]

It's just like Jaws just said

"Croyle has all the tools to be a good NFL QB, but is still making the mistakes that most young QB's make. Croyle's biggest flaw right now is experience and that will only get better over time."

Sounds a lot like what people said about Alex Smith last preseason

Whatever, stop reaching...How does Croyle even compare to Alex Smith. If memory serves me correct Smith was the first pick in the draft, where Croyle was picked in the 80's. Apples and oranges but keep trying to convince yourself. Denial runs deep in Chief land right now.

[ohiobronco2]

Looks like Plummer out there. Makes a couple of great plays ... scrambles around a little ... and out of nowhere comes a lob to the other team.

Chiefs should start him this year, when they're not going to be a contender this year anyways, and get him prepped for next year and the years after.

It seems like K.C. is always preparing for next season.

[KCStud]

Looks like Plummer out there. Makes a couple of great plays ... scrambles around a little ... and out of nowhere comes a lob to the other team.

Chiefs should start him this year, when they're not going to be a contender this year anyways, and get him prepped for next year and the years after.

Plummer has always looked like a rookie QB. He's been making rookie mistakes his whole career

[Bronco_Beerslug]

And the next year he started winning on the road, including kicking your Donkeys out of the playoffs.
Now this year people say he has a good shot at being a pro bowler. It all takes time.
Smith didn't do that much to beat us, Gore ran all over us that's what beat us.
Coyle is hardly an Alex Smith anyway, he's a skinny, slow, less than average intelligence typical Chiefs QB. You better get use to watching a second tier team this year.

[NaptownChief]

Looks like Plummer out there. Makes a couple of great plays ... scrambles around a little ... and out of nowhere comes a lob to the other team.





Well if that is the case and things don't work out for him in KC at least he knows he can go to Denver and get paid a lot of money.

[KCStud]

Whatever, stop reaching...How does Croyle even compare to Alex Smith. If memory serves me correct Smith was the first pick in the draft, where Croyle was picked in the 80's. Apples and oranges but keep trying to convince yourself. Denial runs deep in Chief land right now.

Maybe you should learn how to comprehend. I never compared the two

[RkyMtnThunder]

Well if that is the case and things don't work out for him in KC at least he knows he can go to Denver and get paid a lot of money.

sorry - no vacancy

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Maybe you should learn how to comprehend. I never compared the twoYou sure in the hell did. Maybe you can't remember what you post from minute to minute?

Shouldn't you be over at the Chiefs circle jerk getting your palm all gooey anyway?

[KCStud]

You sure in the hell did. Maybe you can't remember what you post from minute to minute?

I said it sound like what people said about Alex Smith, not that he was the next Alex Smith. Jesus you Donko fans are illeterate

[NaptownChief]

Whatever, stop reaching...How does Croyle even compare to Alex Smith. If memory serves me correct Smith was the first pick in the draft, where Croyle was picked in the 80's. Apples and oranges but keep trying to convince yourself. Denial runs deep in Chief land right now.


Where they were drafted means little other than the higher pick will get more opportunity and patience because the franchise spent more money. But in the big picture it means little after they cash their signing bonus.

Eli Manning was drafted ahead of Rothlisberger so is it illegal to compare Ben to Eli? Just curious because I don't follow your thinking.

[KCStud]

Finally somebody who can comprehend something

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I said it sound like what people said about Alex Smith, not that he was the next Alex Smith. Jesus you Donko fans are illeterateHey dickhead, if you're going to try and act smart learn how to spell the easy words first.

[Jackson's *Mom*]

I said it sound like what people said about Alex Smith, not that he was the next Alex Smith. Jesus you Donko fans are illeterate

Whatever, your clearly were comparing the two....again DENIAL

[Los Broncos]

Ouch

[KCStud]

Hey dickhead, if you're going to try and act smart learn how to spell the easy words first.

Lol spelling police out right now? wow you are crying like a little school girl. It's a message board for crying out loud

[cabronco]

I said it sound like what people said about Alex Smith, not that he was the next Alex Smith. Jesus you Donko fans are illeterate

Maybe you need to learn to spell illiterate !

[NaptownChief]

Whatever, your clearly were comparing the two....again DENIAL



Alex Smith didn't exactly come out of the box like Peyton Manning so I'm not sure why that would be such a big deal or "denial" if he chose to do so.

[TheChamp24]

Where they were drafted means little other than the higher pick will get more opportunity and patience because the franchise spent more money. But in the big picture it means little after they cash their signing bonus.

Eli Manning was drafted ahead of Rothlisberger so is it illegal to compare Ben to Eli? Just curious because I don't follow your thinking.

Theres a big difference between pick #1 and pick #90 than there is pick #1 and pick #11.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Lol spelling police out right now? wow you are crying like a little school girl. It's a message board for crying out loudNo, sh*thead, if you're going to call someone illiterate you better know how to spell the goddamn word or the whole point is wasted, get it Forrest?

[RkyMtnThunder]

Where they were drafted means little other than the higher pick will get more opportunity and patience because the franchise spent more money. But in the big picture it means little after they cash their signing bonus.

Eli Manning was drafted ahead of Rothlisberger so is it illegal to compare Ben to Eli? Just curious because I don't follow your thinking.

I see where you are going with that.

And its true that there have been a lot of high profile rookie QB busts in the NFL so it is no gurantee of success.

But there have been much, much less 'diamonds in the rough' found...which is what you seem to be optimistically hinting at in this comment.

Croyle selected in round 3 right?

history suggests he will be average QB like most others who were selected in rounds 2-4 and expected to be the starter.

The kind of guy who starts for the team that drafted him for a few years and then becomes a career backup for other teams.


There is a chance he will become a mid round superstar ala Joe Montana. But really, how often does that happen?

[NaptownChief]

Theres a big difference between pick #1 and pick #90 than there is pick #1 and pick #11.


Certainly a big difference between #2(Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith) versus #199(Tom Brady) but I don't see how that matters much when talking about playing football versus comparing rookie signing bonuses.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Certainly a big difference between #2(Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith) versus #199(Tom Brady) but I don't see how that matters much when talking about playing football versus comparing rookie signing bonuses.

cant expect lighting to strike twice as the basis of your argument

[Broncos_OTM]

They took reps on the second team with Cutler.

I'm well aware they were both second stringers. you missed the point. The point was that Cutler and Scheffler had jelled together. Working with each other in practice.

[NaptownChief]

There is a chance he will become a mid round superstar ala Joe Montana. But really, how often does that happen?



I have no idea what he will end up like but history has shown that probably the biggest factor in QB success at the NFL level is opportunity. 1st rounders get a lot more opportunity, more snaps in practice, a lot more time with the QB Coach and OC because of the team investment and making them to top priority. Plus they have a longer rope before getting the hook.

Croyle is in a rare situation for a 3rd rounder in that the team is making him the priority so he will get a lot of the same opportunties afforded to 1st rounders.

I'm not blown away by him but he showed me a very good arm, good accuracy and decent feet at Alabama. He has a good chance to be a good NFL QB. I honestly think his biggest limitation is Herm Edwards and his traditionally very concervative and rather poor offenses. That will probably limit his growth as much as anything.

But unlike most Donk fans, I'm going to let him prove himself on the field for a couple seasons before I annoit him to the HOF.

[Kaylore]

This is so annoying. I don't care about Michelle Tafoya's crap interviews. I want to watch the game!

[Jackson's *Mom*]

Alex Smith didn't exactly come out of the box like Peyton Manning so I'm not sure why that would be such a big deal or "denial" if he chose to do so.

Look nappy, he implied that his mistakes are because of a lack of experience and that he will only get better in time, and that he has all the tools to be a good NFL quarterback. And then his words not mine

"Sounds a lot like what people said about Alex Smith last preseason"

Now he may not have said, Croyle and Alex Smith are exactly the same quarterback, but he certainly implied that Croyle has all the tools and that he will get better in time, just like Alex Smith. I don't agree with that at all, I don't think Croyle will ever scratch Alex Smith's jockstrap. Like Khan says which I agree with, "Croyle seems like he will struggle to keep his emotions in check". This is only one aspect of why your boy will eventually crash & burn, I know it's hard for you to accept, but he sucks &:chiefssux :chiefssux.

[Broncos_OTM]

Maybe you need to learn to spell illiterate !

That's good S#it right there. man we need a wall of shame here. Someone needs to put that in a sig or something. That's friggin classic.

[TheChamp24]

This is so annoying. I don't care about Michelle Tafoya's crap interviews. I want to watch the game!

You mean thers actually a game going on?

I hope this isn't the case for the regular season games. MNF is going to suck soooo bad.

[Broncos24]

Troll=Idiot=Chefs Fans

[TheChamp24]

and lol at the Chiefs rookie kicker
Think they are looking to sign Vanderjagt? lol

[Kaylore]

I'm well aware they were both second stringers. you missed the point. The point was that Cutler and Scheffler had jelled together. Working with each other in practice.

I don't think you know how it works. It's not like the second team only practices with the second team in practice and so they built chemistry. Pretty much the depth chart means nothing except during move-the-ball scrimmages and pre-season games. Every receiver gets equal work with every quarterback. Scheffler, Marshall and the others all took just as many reps with Plummer as they did with Cutler in practice, so this idea that they spent more time with Cutler and jelled isn't true at all.

[NaptownChief]

This is only one aspect of why your boy will eventually crash & burn, I know it's hard for you to accept,



Kinda like your playoff dreams last year? Hard to accept them coming crashing down on week 17 Sunday as the better team got in around them? You never thought to happen either did you big boy?

I'm sure glad you have it all figured out. I will give Carl Peterson a call and tell him to pull the plug on the Croyle experiment now becuae Jackson's Mom knows it isn't going to work.

[TheChamp24]

Jason Taylor looks like a damn alien! Geez....

Both these teams have a lot of work to do...

[theAPAOps5]

I said it sound like what people said about Alex Smith, not that he was the next Alex Smith. Jesus you Donko fans are illeterate

You stupid ass, **** even Bob can spell his insults. There are programs for adults with learning disabilities.

[Broncos_OTM]

I don't think you know how it works. It's not like the second team only practices with the second team in practice and so they built chemistry. Pretty much the depth chart means nothing except during move-the-ball scrimmages and pre-season games. Every receiver gets equal work with every quarterback. Scheffler, Marshall and the others all took just as many reps with Plummer as they did with Cutler in practice, so this idea that they spent more time with Cutler and jelled isn't true at all.

As i understand it during the season only the starters get reps with the first team. Unless there is injuries or such.

[RkyMtnThunder]

I have no idea what he will end up like but history has shown that probably the biggest factor in QB success at the NFL level is opportunity. 1st rounders get a lot more opportunity, more snaps in practice, a lot more time with the QB Coach and OC because of the team investment and making them to top priority. Plus they have a longer rope before getting the hook.

Croyle is in a rare situation for a 3rd rounder in that the team is making him the priority so he will get a lot of the same opportunties afforded to 1st rounders.
.




Well...there is that little itty bitty bit about the surrounding talent and coaching

Talking history - look what QBs like Marino or Big Ben walked into as rookies.

Sure, they were talented too and afforded the opportunity you speak about. But hard to say if they went to weaker teams with weaker coaches they would have the success they did.


As of right now, KC is looking more like a Houston Texans (questionable O-line, lack of receivers)

and Carr had that high profile rookie status and opportunity you spoke about and couldnt get it done.

Players like Elway who walk into poor teams and carry them to places they otherwise had no business going is exceptionally rare.


Honestly - I think Croyle is going to be an average QB who may quite possibly get more blame than he deserves and will possibly play for several teams before he is done in the NFL

typical to most QBs selected in the mid rounds.


Yeah - there is a chance he could blow up and be the face of the franchise. But its somewhat unlikely if you want to look at the whole of the NFL over the last 20 years.

Sure, there are the rare occasions you see a Tom Brady or something. But are you really holding your breath for that?

Even with the 1st round bust rate - you would make a lot more compelling argument if Croyle was taken in the 1st round. That would mean at least more than a handful of people would have identified potential star talent.

He was taken in the depth rounds. (granted - better than taken in the camp fodder rounds) You can spin it all you want, but....other than simple love for your team, why bother?

[Kaylore]

Lol spelling police out right now? wow you are crying like a little school girl. It's a message board for crying out loud

Do you have any idea how lame that was? You accuse someone of not being able to read or write and then demonstrate in the attack that you haven't even mastered the skill yourself. It would be like Louis Anderson telling people they need to lose weight. ROFL!

[NaptownChief]

If by chance Croyle ends up better than Cutler all I have to say is there will be a lot of good comedy relief pulled from this thread. You guys are quite full of yourselves.

[Jackson's *Mom*]

Kinda like your playoff dreams last year? Hard to accept them coming crashing down on week 17 Sunday as the better team got in around them? You never thought to happen either did you big boy?

I'm sure glad you have it all figured out. I will give Carl Peterson a call and tell him to pull the plug on the Croyle experiment now becuae Jackson's Mom knows it isn't going to work.

Well I hope you enjoyed your one and done last year in the playoffs. Gee, how many one & done has that been in a row now? Wow, they just answered my question....SIX IN A ROW, Chiefs suck!!! Future sure looks bright in KC. I know deep down you Chief fans wish you had Cutler, it sure does make me feel good thinking about our future, shame you can say that.

[Garcia Bronco]

If by chance Croyle ends up better than Cutler all I have to say is there will be a lot of good comedy relief pulled from this thread. You guys are quite full of yourselves.

Well...this will be the only thread then

[ohiobronco2]

Well if that is the case and things don't work out for him in KC at least he knows he can go to Denver and get paid a lot of money.


He might be good enough to hold a clip board for us. Besides, he'll finally be able to play for a winner.

[TheChamp24]

Medlock makes a kick! Wohoo Medlock, 1/3 now! Bet you KC fans are loving Medlock and aren't missing Tynes at all.

[Kaylore]

As i understand it during the season only the starters get reps with the first team. Unless there is injuries or such.

No, that's not true either. There are fewer reps to go around, but again, Shanahan doesn't lock himself into a depth chart when putting packages and formations together. Scheffler took reps on the first team in certain passing situations with Plummer. Shanahan finds ways to get people reps. Cutler was the scout team QB last year just to get him more reps in practice despite him being ahead of the Preston Parsons on the depth chart.

[NaptownChief]

it sure does make me feel good thinking about our future,


I'm glad you like the future because the future seems to be all you guys have every year since Elway hung it up.....come to think of it that was all you ever had before Elway also.

You guys are the team of the future, no doubt about it.....and always will be.

[RkyMtnThunder]

If by chance Croyle ends up better than Cutler all I have to say is there will be a lot of good comedy relief pulled from this thread. You guys are quite full of yourselves.

Anything could happen

But we fans would not loose any credibility. It would be NFL scouts who all felt Cutler was potential star talent and identified Croyle as backup quality who's credibility would take a black eye.

Dont get all sensitive. Even your team didnt feel he was 1st round talent and took him on as a project to groom behind Green. I dont think anyone in KC knew Green would get his egg scrambled and be out of town this year.

In a perfect world - Croyle would have had at least 2 seasons behind Green to get up to speed. I am sure thats what you thought too when he was drafted. Now he is being rushed into it.

And here you are all bent that outsiders have our doubts?

sorry

[ohiobronco2]

I'm glad you like the future because the future seems to be all you guys have every year since Elway hung it up.....come to think of it that was all you ever had before Elway also.

You guys are the team of the future, no doubt about it.....and always will be.

Yeah, that's the strange thing about being a winner. Once you enjoy success you want it more and more. Now go back to your trailer, pop open some Milwaukee's Best and make out with your sister.

[NaptownChief]

And here you are all bent that outsiders have our doubts?

sorry


Not the least bit bent out of shape...just pointing out how stupid the idea of measuring someone football potential on where they were selected in the draft. The difference between a 1st round QB and a 3rd round QB isn't a lot. And in some years it could purely be due to simple supply and demand more so than talent level. You guys are acting like we are talking about a 1st rounder versus a 7th round flyer.

[NaptownChief]

Yeah, that's the strange thing about being a winner. Once you enjoy success you want it more and more. Now go back to your trailer, pop open some Milwaukee's Best and make out with your sister.



That is great stuff....You come up with that all by yourself or cut and paste it from the first 10 million times it was posted on a BB?

[Jackson's *Mom*]

I'm glad you like the future because the future seems to be all you guys have every year since Elway hung it up.....come to think of it that was all you ever had before Elway also.

You guys are the team of the future, no doubt about it.....and always will be.

Really just stop, I mean come on Chiefs or Broncos hmm, I mean really stop it's comical.

[NaptownChief]

Really just stop, I mean come on Chiefs or Broncos hmm, I mean really stop it's comical.



You guys are certainly legends in your own minds....I mean how many times has Manning and the Colts made you guys like like a JR HS team and yet everytime heading into the next match up you fools all think you have it all figured out and it will be different.

[ohiobronco2]

That is great stuff....You come up with that all by yourself or cut and paste it from the first 10 million times it was posted on a BB?

Thank You. I am here to please the masses and occasionally the as***

[RkyMtnThunder]

Not the least bit bent out of shape...just pointing out how stupid the idea of measuring someone football potential on where they were selected in the draft. The difference between a 1st round QB and a 3rd round QB isn't a lot. And in some years it could purely be due to simple supply and demand more so than talent level. You guys are acting like we are talking about a 1st rounder versus a 7th round flyer.


IMO - its equally stupid to discredit draft selection as pretty much meaningless. It doesnt mean everything, but it still means something

Your argument would be valid if 50% or more of NFL star players in skill positions were taken beyond round 2....


You say the talent level is marginal between 1st and 3rd rounds - that burdon of proof is on you. Even with the 1st round bust rate - the washouts in the 3rd round is even greater.

[TheChamp24]

Oh man, Chiefs got hosed there. Beck did not get in there for the 2 point conversion.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Dont get me wrong, I am not saying Croyle is going to be awful.

I am just saying he will be average.

Which implies he plays for 3-4 teams over the course of his career primarily as a back up

You are the one suggesting we all think he is going to be out of the league next year or something...

[Natedog24]

You guys are certainly legends in your own minds....I mean how many times has Manning and the Colts made you guys like like a JR HS team and yet everytime heading into the next match up you fools all think you have it all figured out and it will be different.

Yes, jump on the Indy bandwagon Naptown, because KC is going to down the drain this year, everyone sees it (outside of KC that is). And KC's playoff winless drought is only going to get longer...

Bash Denver all you want, at least they are a threat come playoff time. Arrowhead stadium is the toughest place to play at in December and the easiest place to play at in January.

[TheChamp24]

Geez, you guys are making this thread like an ESPN broadcast. Full of garbage with little about the game going on.

[Jackson's *Mom*]

You guys are certainly legends in your own minds....I mean how many times has Manning and the Colts made you guys like like a JR HS team and yet everytime heading into the next match up you fools all think you have it all figured out and it will be different.

Again, Chiefs or Broncos hmmmmmmm Nnyah! Nnyah! Nnyah!

[Jackson's *Mom*]

Geez, you guys are making this thread like an ESPN broadcast. Full of garbage with little about the game going on.

Your right, sorry about that jth1331. I just got caught up, again my apologies.

[TheChamp24]

Your right, sorry about that jth1331. I just got caught up, again my apologies.

its alright, this game has been garbage since halftime really. Although its nice to know KC's new kicker is going to have a rough 1st year.

[Jackson's *Mom*]

its alright, this game has been garbage since halftime really. Although its nice to know KC's new kicker is going to have a rough 1st year.

Yea, I wonder if there going to end up regretting that they passed on Crosby?

[cabronco]

I have to agree with Jaws, if KC has any chance in he77 , they need to start Huard not Croyle....but, what do I care.

[cutthemdown]

Medlock isn't firing his hips as he kicks which usually pushes everything left. If you fire the hips too soon or too much then you will hook it right. It does look like he hits the ball solid he just needs to get timing down. But if he keeps missing through preseason it could become a huge problem. With a vet you figure he is just rusty, with a rookie you wonder if he can mentally handle the pressure.

[Greybeard]

Not the least bit bent out of shape...just pointing out how stupid the idea of measuring someone football potential on where they were selected in the draft. The difference between a 1st round QB and a 3rd round QB isn't a lot. And in some years it could purely be due to simple supply and demand more so than talent level. You guys are acting like we are talking about a 1st rounder versus a 7th round flyer.
The difference between the last player taken in the 1st and the first player
taken in the 3rd is 33 selections. That's not a lot?

The difference between Cutler and Croyle is day and night. That's even more.
A player is taken in the 1st, rather than the 3rd, for a reason. It's because the
former is regarded a far superior player. Sometimes someone down in the draft
proves them wrong (e.g., Brady), but not often.

Last year, in his five games, Cutler thoroughly showed up even Young and
Leinart. And here we have some Chiefs trolls trying to compare him with
Croyle. Hilarious!

As it stands now, Croyle might not even beat out Huard. :thanku:

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[Malcontent]

Medlock isn't firing his hips as he kicks which usually pushes everything left. If you fire the hips too soon or too much then you will hook it right. It does look like he hits the ball solid he just needs to get timing down. But if he keeps missing through preseason it could become a huge problem. With a vet you figure he is just rusty, with a rookie you wonder if he can mentally handle the pressure.

Plus..his helmet looks huge in comparison to his frame.Ha!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Wow - squaws lost to two of the worst 3/4 teams in the league and look horrible doing it. I change my prediction from 6-10 to 4-12

[theAPAOps5]

Man let me tell you all that sitting was great for Croyle. Hey he led his team down for a TD, but whoooops next drive one of those pesky INTs again. He REALLY has grasped the game, I mean WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

[DenverBrit]

I said it sound like what people said about Alex Smith, not that he was the next Alex Smith. Jesus you Donko fans are illeterate


Hope this helps you. Ha!

[Paladin]

I didn't see it all, mercifully, and it was a real boring game. The mullets's team looked like crap and the Fish are just not much better. 11-10 is about right. Even ESPN was getting into the act: they panned the fans that looked so much like the dumbarses in Deliverance......

I understand this was an exhibition game, but that was atrocious, at least what I saw in the early first half.....

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Croyle seems like someone that will struggle to keep his emotions from affecting his play.



Actually he's the exact opposite. He moves on.

[Blueflame]

I'm glad you like the future because the future seems to be all you guys have every year since Elway hung it up.....come to think of it that was all you ever had before Elway also.

You guys are the team of the future, no doubt about it.....and always will be.

... so says a fan of the team who hasn't won a championship since the days of Len Dawson.... aw, nevermind a championship; KC hasn't even won a playoff game in my teenage twins' lifetime.

[TheChamp24]

Bob, if Croyle moves on after interceptions, why was he so pathetic after that interception? He was 5-6 for 50 or so yards and a TD before the pick, afterwards 1-4 I believe.

[sixtimeseight]

You guys are certainly legends in your own minds....I mean how many times has Manning and the Colts made you guys like like a JR HS team and yet everytime heading into the next match up you fools all think you have it all figured out and it will be different.

Last year, I only remember one team from the AFC West getting embarrassed by the Colts in the playoffs.... to the tune of no first downs through the first 3 quarters. But hey, keep bringing up the distant past, I mean it's pretty much all you guys got going for you anyways.

By the way, how about that Len Dawson? Real scrapper you guys got over there!

[NaptownChief]

That's even more.
A player is taken in the 1st, rather than the 3rd, for a reason. It's because the
former is regarded a far superior player. Sometimes someone down in the draft
proves them wrong (e.g., Brady), but not often.





5 of the top 7 passers in the league last year weren't 1st round picks...Remind me again about how it is rare that a top QB doesn't come from the first round since they are the ones that are "far superior" players.

[Paladin]

Poor, poor mullets......

[Cito Pelon]

Did anyone notice Cam Cameron's shoulders are barely wider than his ears? Looks like he had an operation to lop off some shoulder width. If he ever gets locked out of his house he won't have a problem getting in the dog-door.

Ted Ginn looks like a bust as a returner. Maybe he has dead legs from camp or some injury. Didn't get any insight from the ESPN crew, oddly.

[NaptownChief]

Ted Ginn looks like a bust as a returner. Maybe he has dead legs from camp or some injury. Didn't get any insight from the ESPN crew, oddly.


He didn't look good but he is just coming back from that celebration foot injury. However I don't think he will be anywhere near the best WR out of this draft. CJ in Detriot is obviously the most likely to be the top guy but after him I think Anthony Gonzalez will be the 2nd best. Followed by Sidney Rice(if he gets a QB in Minn) and then a toss up between Meachum and Bowe. Meachum should look better because his stats will likely be much bigger in the NO pass attack versus Herm's typical poor excuse of a passing game.

Gonzalez is a great talent. Fast, quick and smart. And getting to work with Manning will only make him even better.

Ginn is a speed playmaker. Average hands, average routes. I would never spend a high pick on a WR that makes the vast majority of his hay on speed alone.

[KCStud]

Huard will probably start the season due to the tough beginning and then Croyle should taken over about 6-7 games in. That's would be the smart choice

[Crushaholic]

Huard will probably start the season due to the tough beginning and then Croyle should taken over about 6-7 games in. That's would be the smart choice

Why would that be the smart choice? Winning teams shouldn't plan to replace their quarterback midway through the season. If Croyle isn't ready by the first game, Huard should play the season. Period.

[Sassy]

Winning teams shouldn't plan to replace their quarterback midway through the season. If Croyle isn't ready by the first game, Huard should play the season. Period.

Ha! Now that sounds eerily familiar!

[azbroncfan]

KC has the looks to a 4 win team without Diaper Boy and 7 wins at best with him.