Broken the speed of light

[BABronco]

'We have broken speed of light'

By Nic Fleming, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 16/08/2007

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.

The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."

[c_lazy_r]

'We have broken speed of light'

By Nic Fleming, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 16/08/2007

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.

The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."



I ate some of those microwave photons once...they weren't as good as they looked in the commercials.

[Old Dude]

This is cool. That speed of light limit has always annoyed me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.



So, in other words, time travel is theoretically possible (as long as you just want to visit the past?)

[defenseman]

Since, we humans tend not to learn anything from the past, and continually repeat mistakes over and over, time travel is truly a lame duck.......dman

[The Lone Bolt]

So, in other words, time travel is theoretically possible (as long as you just want to visit the past?)

Theoretically we could destroy the raiders franchise before they're even born! Sign me up!

[Rohirrim]

Is the universe so fluid that anything we can imagine, and believe in, we can make real?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Since, we humans tend not to learn anything from the past, and continually repeat mistakes over and over, time travel is truly a lame duck.......dmanI'm not sure but are you saying time travel isn't going to get anything done in it's last couple years of it's term?

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.
For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.
Why? If he was traveling at, say, 200,000 miles per second how could he arrive before he left?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Theoretically we could destroy the raiders franchise before they're even born! Sign me up!

+1 ;D

[c_lazy_r]

I'm not sure but are you saying time travel isn't going to get anything done in it's last couple years of it's term?



C'mon you know that ain't gonna fly...

[The Lone Bolt]

I'm not sure but are you saying time travel isn't going to get anything done in it's last couple years of it's term?
Why? If he was traveling at, say, 200,000 miles per second how could he arrive before he left?

In relativity, the closer you get to the speed of light the slower time progresses relative to the rest of the universe. At the speed of light theoretically time would come to a complete halt, and at faster speeds time theoretically travels backwards (see tachyons).

[Bronco_Beerslug]

In relativity, the closer you get to the speed of light the slower time progresses relative to the rest of the universe. At the speed of light theoretically time would come to a complete halt, and at faster speeds time theoretically travels backwards (see tachyons).Yeah, I know, I just never accepted it :)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

In relativity, the closer you get to the speed of light the slower time progresses relative to the rest of the universe. At the speed of light theoretically time would come to a complete halt, and at faster speeds time theoretically travels backwards (see tachyons).

Hmmm....then how would you increase the rate at which time travels forward?

There's one for some theoretical physicist to ponder.

[The Lone Bolt]

Hmmm....then how would you increase the rate at which time travels forward?

There's one for some theoretical physicist to ponder.

Have sex with a supermodel. Guaranteed to make time fly! ;D

[RkyMtnThunder]

'We have broken speed of light'

By Nic Fleming, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 16/08/2007

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.

The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."



Considering we have a very limited and primitive concept of space and time I dont think undermining it is hard to do. Sure, we modern humans believe we are at the pinnacle of human awareness and understanding - but so did every generation before us. Of course we always move forward progressively refining our awareness and understanding and look back on former generations as primitive. Its not out of the question future generations will look back on us as knuckle-draggers. Its actually quite likely.

Perception of space, of time...these are products of human consciousness. Literally a figment of our imagination.

[ak1971]

just buy one of these..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Other/auction-36725938.htm

[Garcia Bronco]

In relativity, the closer you get to the speed of light the slower time progresses relative to the rest of the universe. At the speed of light theoretically time would come to a complete halt, and at faster speeds time theoretically travels backwards (see tachyons).

Yep

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yep
What are you, a parrot?

[W*GS]

I just want my Mr. Fusion and time machine in a Porsche Carrera - not one of those pussy DeLoreans.

[alkemical]

THis is awesome news.

LVX

[RaiderH8r]

Hmmm....then how would you increase the rate at which time travels forward?

There's one for some theoretical physicist to ponder.

Black hole. Intense gravity slows time relative to the rest of the universe. At least that's what the guy explaining it on discovery science told me. But let's be fair, I'm a guy on a couch eating a sammich when the physicist comes on and talks about how they're solving problems Einstein couldn't but somehow, me...on the couch...I get it. I know I'm brilliant but there's something amiss here.

[sisterhellfyre]

Is the universe so fluid that anything we can imagine, and believe in, we can make real?

heh. If you want some real fun, remind a quantum physicist how the act of observing a phenomenon changes its nature. Then ask that question again.

Regards,
m.

[alkemical]

Is the universe so fluid that anything we can imagine, and believe in, we can make real?

Depending on which reality map i'm operating in.....

I have a suspicioun that nothing in our imaginations is just "imagined". As much as you contemplate "it", "it" contemplates you.

[alkemical]

heh. If you want some real fun, remind a quantum physicist how the act of observing a phenomenon changes its nature. Then ask that question again.

Regards,
m.

Have you seen a cat running around here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat)?

[SoCalBronco]

Time travel is easy......you just need to slingshot around the sun. :)

[Los Broncos]

I thought Hixon did this already

[theAPAOps5]

Time travel is easy......you just need to slingshot around the sun. :)

That or a flux capacitor

[Bronco Bob]

Time Travel Machine Outlined


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Time machine researchers often investigate gravity, which essentially arises when matter bends space and time. Time travel research is based on bending space-time so far that time lines actually turn back on themselves to form a loop, technically known as a "closed time-like curve."
"We know that bending does happen all the time, but we want the bending to be strong enough and to take a special form where the lines of time make closed loops," said theoretical physicist Amos Ori at the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa. "We are trying to find out if it is possible to manipulate space-time (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/timetravelmachineoutlined/24156255/SIG=12btdj55d/*http://www.livescience.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=Time_travel_deep) to develop in such a way."
Many scientists are skeptical (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/timetravelmachineoutlined/24156255/SIG=125nfigrt/*http://www.livescience.com/scienceoffiction/070307_time_travel.html) as to whether or not time travel is possible. For instance, time machines often are thought to need an exotic form of matter with so-called "negative energy density." Such exotic matter has bizarre properties, including moving in the opposite direction of normal matter when pushed. Such matter could theoretically exist, but if it did, it might be present only in quantities too small for the construction of a time machine.
Ori's latest research suggests time machines are possible without exotic matter, eliminating a barrier to time travel. His work begins with a donut-shaped hole enveloped within a sphere of normal matter.
"We're talking about these closed loops of time, and the simplest kind of closed loops are circles, which is why we have this ring-shaped hole," Ori explained.
Inside this donut-shaped vacuum, space-time could get bent upon itself using focused gravitational fields to form a closed time-like curve. To go back in time, a traveler would race around inside the donut, going further back into the past with each lap.
"The machine is space-time itself," Ori said. "If we were to create an area with a warp like this in space that would enable time lines to close on themselves, it might enable future generations to return to visit our time."
Ori emphasized one significant limitation of this time machine—"it can't be used to travel to a time before the time machine was constructed." His findings are detailed in the Aug. 3 issue of the journal Physical Review D.
A number of obstacles remain, however. The gravitational fields required to make such a closed time-like curve would have to be very strong, "on the order of what you might find close to a black hole," Ori told LiveScience. "We don't have any way of creating such strong gravitational fields today, and we certainly have no way of manipulating any such gravitational fields."
Even if time machines were technically feasible, the gravitational fields involved need to be manipulated in very specific, accurate ways, and Ori said his calculations suggest any time machine could be very unstable, meaning "the tiniest deviations might keep one from working. We need to explore the problem of stability of time machines further."
Theoretical physicist Ken Olum of Tufts University in Medford, Mass., who did not participate in this study, was skeptical concerning how this new model claimed to sidestep prior theoretical objections to time travel (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/timetravelmachineoutlined/24156255/SIG=12bfcnlgf/*http://www.livescience.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=Time_travel_lite).
Still, Olum noted, "It's important if it's right—that there really is some kind of loophole. So this should be scrutinized very closely." The point of such work, he added, was to "expand the bounds of what's possible, what kind of things we can have and what kinds of things we cannot have."

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[alkemical]

Time Travel Machine Outlined


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Time machine researchers often investigate gravity, which essentially arises when matter bends space and time. Time travel research is based on bending space-time so far that time lines actually turn back on themselves to form a loop, technically known as a "closed time-like curve."
"We know that bending does happen all the time, but we want the bending to be strong enough and to take a special form where the lines of time make closed loops," said theoretical physicist Amos Ori at the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa. "We are trying to find out if it is possible to manipulate space-time (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/timetravelmachineoutlined/24156255/SIG=12btdj55d/*http://www.livescience.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=Time_travel_deep) to develop in such a way."
Many scientists are skeptical (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/timetravelmachineoutlined/24156255/SIG=125nfigrt/*http://www.livescience.com/scienceoffiction/070307_time_travel.html) as to whether or not time travel is possible. For instance, time machines often are thought to need an exotic form of matter with so-called "negative energy density." Such exotic matter has bizarre properties, including moving in the opposite direction of normal matter when pushed. Such matter could theoretically exist, but if it did, it might be present only in quantities too small for the construction of a time machine.
Ori's latest research suggests time machines are possible without exotic matter, eliminating a barrier to time travel. His work begins with a donut-shaped hole enveloped within a sphere of normal matter.
"We're talking about these closed loops of time, and the simplest kind of closed loops are circles, which is why we have this ring-shaped hole," Ori explained.
Inside this donut-shaped vacuum, space-time could get bent upon itself using focused gravitational fields to form a closed time-like curve. To go back in time, a traveler would race around inside the donut, going further back into the past with each lap.
"The machine is space-time itself," Ori said. "If we were to create an area with a warp like this in space that would enable time lines to close on themselves, it might enable future generations to return to visit our time."
Ori emphasized one significant limitation of this time machine—"it can't be used to travel to a time before the time machine was constructed." His findings are detailed in the Aug. 3 issue of the journal Physical Review D.
A number of obstacles remain, however. The gravitational fields required to make such a closed time-like curve would have to be very strong, "on the order of what you might find close to a black hole," Ori told LiveScience. "We don't have any way of creating such strong gravitational fields today, and we certainly have no way of manipulating any such gravitational fields."
Even if time machines were technically feasible, the gravitational fields involved need to be manipulated in very specific, accurate ways, and Ori said his calculations suggest any time machine could be very unstable, meaning "the tiniest deviations might keep one from working. We need to explore the problem of stability of time machines further."
Theoretical physicist Ken Olum of Tufts University in Medford, Mass., who did not participate in this study, was skeptical concerning how this new model claimed to sidestep prior theoretical objections to time travel (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/timetravelmachineoutlined/24156255/SIG=12bfcnlgf/*http://www.livescience.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=Time_travel_lite).
Still, Olum noted, "It's important if it's right—that there really is some kind of loophole. So this should be scrutinized very closely." The point of such work, he added, was to "expand the bounds of what's possible, what kind of things we can have and what kinds of things we cannot have."

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You're going to laugh at this, but this article "triggered" something i remembered. When listening to Coasttocoast, there was this interesting story of a "time traveller" called John Titor (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2004/10/08.html)who appeared on some message boards and well - i guess there was enough 'oddness' to make people sort of remember him. Anyway to what made me reply:

He stated that they would use gravity to basically create a wormhole or something (http://www.gizmag.com/go/7650/)(I don't remember the specifics, and work at this time is a bit busy), but it was like a mini z-machine (http://www.livescience.com/technology/050607_z_machine.html). So in a way this "john titor" character (real or imagined, and if he was someone playing a joke - well he really 'knew' his ****.)

Then i also sort of like the idea of paul laffoley:

There is this artist, paul laffoley (well he's not JUST an artist, he's sort of like buckminster fuller) - states time travel would be more like HG Wells version (http://www.brainsturbator.com/catalog/Geochronmechane.htm). It's more pre/retro cognition type of event.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ah. Welcome to the rabbit hole.

A fundamentally earth-shattering theory that undermines everything that science has presupposed since Democritus.

There are quite a few of these around.

[alkemical]

Ah. Welcome to the rabbit hole.

A fundamentally earth-shattering theory that undermines everything that science has presupposed since Democritus.

There are quite a few of these around.

I live in the rabbit hole.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I live in the rabbit hole.

Well, I guess you can consider this a carrot. ;D

[alkemical]

Well, I guess you can consider this a carrot. ;D

Nyeah.....what's up doc?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Nyeah.....what's up doc?

The Elmer Fudds will hunt you down with their old rifles and their iconic microscopes very soon. ;D

[alkemical]

The Elmer Fudds will hunt you down with their old rifles and their iconic microscopes very soon. ;D

You don't say..... lol