Travis Henry evens things out (watch out LJ & LT)

[ZONA]

Man o Man do I have high hopes now. All you needed to see was that first drive to know that this guy is going to EXPLODE this year and I'm guessing he's gonna net 1800 yards. Not only did you see pure toughness and raw strength on a few runs but you saw the vision and precise timing. How about that play where he stretched outside and split through two guys. It was not a clean split either - it required perfect timing and power to get through it.

Not taking anything away from LT or LJ but now I feel alot better about having the better running game when we go head to head. Henry might even outrush both of those guys.

Man - this is gonna be fun. That signing right there alone may have been the best signing of a FA to this team in a long long time. None will be better then the signing of Champ but this could be as close as it gets.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Henry can't take the pounding to outrush either of those guys. But he'll make a difference. Running over the 49ers defense isn't all that impressive, but he was breaking a TON of tackles. He's pretty scary.

[Sassy]

Henry can't take the pounding to outrush either of those guys.

Just how would you know that?
Ask Lynch about that...

[Watchthemiddle]

He scares me with his running style. He runs with such authority on every play that the coaches will really have to watch out for him and give him some breaks or he won't make it through an entire season.

If he does though...its going to be just like the days of TD. The Shanny and Ted said they wanted to bring back the running game with authority and I would say we have done that with Henry.

[Crushaholic]

Henry can't take the pounding to outrush either of those guys.

Just how would you know that?
Ask Lynch about that...

Consider the source and move on, Sassy...:spit: :thumbsup:

[Hogan11]

Henry is the player many here wished M. Bell would be.....we have it for real now.

[Sassy]

Consider the source and move on, Sassy...:spit: :thumbsup:

You have a great point! Ha!

[ScottXray]

We are going to need Bell and Sapp to step up.

Travis is gonna be outstanding, but needs to stay healthy.

The O-line has me really worried....

[400HZ]

He had a great preseason opener...ya I'd say he's definitely better than LT and LJ at this point. ROFL!

Seriously though, he looked pretty good.

[ZONA]

Henry can't take the pounding to outrush either of those guys. But he'll make a difference. Running over the 49ers defense isn't all that impressive, but he was breaking a TON of tackles. He's pretty scary.

For the sake of not making your look stupid, okay that's not possible. So, you start off by saying he can't take the pounding and LT and LJ can. I don't know who you were watching but he's more of a pitbull then either LJ or LT. If anything, I think he can take MORE of a pounding then either of those two. And you did get it right when you said he was breaking alot of taclkes. Again, I didn't make the title of the post that Henry is better then either guy, I said he evens things out. The fact that he broke taclkes of several tacklers at the same time is what's impressive, 49'ers or not. I wouldn't be talking about impressive tackling Bob, that's nothing your used to watching I'm sure of that.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Henry can't take the pounding to outrush either of those guys.


Henry can't take 350 carries. I figure that's what he'd need to have a shot at outrushing LT/LJ.

[ZONA]

He had a great preseason opener...ya I'd say he's definitely better than LT and LJ at this point. ROFL!

Seriously though, he looked pretty good.


Who said he was better? Please go through all the threads and let me know, okay? I said he evens things out. Seriously though, he did look pretty good.

[ZONA]

Henry can't take 350 carries. I figure that's what he'd need to have a shot at outrushing LT/LJ.


You're right - he can't take 350 carries. I bet LT and LJ could rush it 500 times and they wouldn't even be sore the next day. Their both such tanks. What is LJ's bench press again, something like 800 pounds. I heard they let him run through brickwalls at practice just for kicks.

[bronco610]

For the first time since TD had to leave the game I could yell there he goes !!!!!!!!!! As far as lt and lj who cares as long as head to head we win. Both could have monster yards against us as long as we win the games. I say Cutler with the threat of the run is the difference and while I dont like making predictions I say we split or sweep sd and def. sweep kc.

[XXXshogunXXX]

For the sake of not making your look stupid, okay that's not possible. So, you start off by saying he can't take the pounding and LT and LJ can. I don't know who you were watching but he's more of a pitbull then either LJ or LT. If anything, I think he can take MORE of a pounding then either of those two. And you did get it right when you said he was breaking alot of taclkes.


why would you think henry can take MORE of a pounding than Tomlinson and LJ. Do you know Travis henry's past compared to the other 2?

[azbroncfan]

Henry can't take 350 carries. I figure that's what he'd need to have a shot at outrushing LT/LJ.

How many backs carry the ball 350 times a year? Only one did last year.

[ZONA]

why would you think henry can take MORE of a pounding than Tomlinson and LJ. Do you know Travis henry's past compared to the other 2?


Exactly - Read the entire post bub. I never said anything about him taking more of a pounding until LT and LJ fans said he COULDN"T take a pounding. Kinda stupid if you ask me. What, do they know something about Henry's past that he can't take a pounding? Why didn't you ask Bob or 400 if they know something we don't?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

What, do they know something about Henry's past that he can't take a pounding? Why didn't you ask Bob or 400 if they know something we don't?

If you had bothered to do any research, you'd know that Travis Henry is injury prone. If he took that many carries he'd break down.

[HitEmCold]

Man - this is gonna be fun. That signing right there alone may have been the best signing of a FA to this team in a long long time. None will be better then the signing of Champ but this could be as close as it gets.

Walker was a big signing too. Where would our receiving corps be without him?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Henry will win some games for us this season.

Mike Bell looked solid in his time also. He has the vision and instincts to be a great Bronco back, but just doesnt have the speed. He's a nice change of pace though. I would rather play he than Tatum Bell.

[ZONA]

If you had bothered to do any research, you'd know that Travis Henry is injury prone. If he took that many carries he'd break down.

oh......that word. Please, explain "injury prone" to us Bob. I wonder how many players that have played in the NFL never had an injury, or even a few. I betcha the list is pretty long huh? So if a guy get's an injury or two, he's now "injury prone" ooooooohhh watch out. Heck, if all the coaches thought like that then I guess the following guys should be cut from their teams immediatly, since they all have had more then a few injuries. Carson Palmer, Champ Bailey, Ben Rothlisburger, Joey Porter, Shuan Alexander, Frank Gore, Drew Brees...........you get the point. Shut up about "injury prone". That's such a dip**** point of view.

[bronco610]

oh......that word. Please, explain "injury prone" to us Bob. I wonder how many players that have played in the NFL never had an injury, or even a few. I betcha the list is pretty long huh? So if a guy get's an injury or two, he's now "injury prone" ooooooohhh watch out. Heck, if all the coaches thought like that then I guess the following guys should be cut from their teams immediatly, since they all have had more then a few injuries. Carson Palmer, Champ Bailey, Ben Rothlisburger, Joey Porter, Shuan Alexander, Frank Gore, Drew Brees...........you get the point. Shut up about "injury prone". That's such a dip**** point of view.

Consider the source Zona, consider the source...........

[ZachKC]

oh......that word. Please, explain "injury prone" to us Bob. I wonder how many players that have played in the NFL never had an injury, or even a few. I betcha the list is pretty long huh? So if a guy get's an injury or two, he's now "injury prone" ooooooohhh watch out. Heck, if all the coaches thought like that then I guess the following guys should be cut from their teams immediatly, since they all have had more then a few injuries. Carson Palmer, Champ Bailey, Ben Rothlisburger, Joey Porter, Shuan Alexander, Frank Gore, Drew Brees...........you get the point. Shut up about "injury prone". That's such a dip**** point of view.

But its valid when thrown at Croyle. *cough*

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Shut up about "injury prone". That's such a dip**** point of view.

Uh, but it's the truth.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playerInjuries?categoryId=69194

Shanahan knows the same thing. I doubt Henry takes more than 300 carries this year. Probably closer to 285.

[boltaneer]

Henry was impressive tonight, breaking tackle after tackle.

I'm curious about Cutler. Why did he only play one series? He only threw two passes. It's not like he couldn't use the reps.

[ZONA]

Uh, but it's the truth.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playerInjuries?categoryId=69194

Shanahan knows the same thing. I doubt Henry takes more than 300 carries this year. Probably closer to 285.

Perhaps you never heard of the fact teams must list every little thing now, even ingrown hairs. I can find a list like that on just about every player in the NFL. Probable, Qestionable, Maybe, Almost, Who Knows, You're Guess Is As Good As Mine. What else should we add to that list?

[Sassy]

Now you're speaking for Shanahan?

[Wes Mantooth]

Everyone has a finite number of carries (minus E. Smith). LJ's injury is coming sooner than you think Bob. He knows it as he won't play without a new contract.

[ZONA]

Everyone has a finite number of carries (minus E. Smith). LJ's injury is coming sooner than you think Bob. He knows it as he won't play without a new contract.

Not just running backs either. Every player knows that day is coming and that's why they all want to get paid. As I said, just about every player already has had some kind of injury. Maybe as little as a sprained ankle or as serious as a blown out knee. LJ and LT have been hurt before, maybe not that bad, but they've been banged up. You don't play in the NFL and never get tweaked here or there. To suggest Henry will get hurt or that he can't handle a load like LJ or LT is just stupid talk. It just takes that one play where your body is in an akward position and BANG. Heck, it might not even be in a game, it could be lifting weights or on the treadmill, or during a practice. We've all seen guys just running free down the field not touched by anybody and TWEAK, there it is. DOH - better cut that guy, he just twisted his ankle.

[RkyMtnThunder]

OK - I did take a massive gulp of the Henry kool aid - but I cant get quite as excited just yet. It was after all only a preseason game and both defensive squads looked - ummm.....rusty. Yeah, rusty (for lack of kinder words)
lol

[footstepsfrom#27]

I don't know about Henry outrushing LJ or LT but the Henry/Bell combination certainly might, assuming Mike wins the #2 spot.

Denver ran the ball an average of over 520 times a year for the last three seasons. If Henry takes 300 and Bell takes 150 that leaves 70 for miscelaneous runs, most of which came from Plummer last year but Sapp will get some of these along with the FB's.

Henry: 300 x 4.8 ypc=1440 yards
Bell: 150 x 4.4=660 yards
Total: 2100 yards rushing combined

Toss in another 300 for the rest of them.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LJ's injury is coming sooner than you think Bob..

LJ already had an injury. Antrel Rolle tore his head off last year. LJ simply picked it up, screwed it back on and went about his business.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Not just running backs either. Every player knows that day is coming and that's why they all want to get paid. As I said, just about every player already has had some kind of injury. Maybe as little as a sprained ankle or as serious as a blown out knee. LJ and LT have been hurt before, maybe not that bad, but they've been banged up. You don't play in the NFL and never get tweaked here or there. To suggest Henry will get hurt or that he can't handle a load like LJ or LT is just stupid talk. It just takes that one play where your body is in an akward position and BANG. Heck, it might not even be in a game, it could be lifting weights or on the treadmill, or during a practice. We've all seen guys just running free down the field not touched by anybody and TWEAK, there it is. DOH - better cut that guy, he just twisted his ankle.

Sliding down a water slide and injuring his foot?

Yeah - I agree with ya.....every player is one who knows what away from injury

that said...I think I could blow out a knee for a fraction of the money these guys make. Its a little over done IMO w/contract demands

[Bronco Yoda]

Henry looked good tonight in our system. It's early but things are looking up so far.

[kmartin575]

Man o Man do I have high hopes now. All you needed to see was that first drive to know that this guy is going to EXPLODE this year and I'm guessing he's gonna net 1800 yards. Not only did you see pure toughness and raw strength on a few runs but you saw the vision and precise timing. How about that play where he stretched outside and split through two guys. It was not a clean split either - it required perfect timing and power to get through it.

Not taking anything away from LT or LJ but now I feel alot better about having the better running game when we go head to head. Henry might even outrush both of those guys.

Man - this is gonna be fun. That signing right there alone may have been the best signing of a FA to this team in a long long time. None will be better then the signing of Champ but this could be as close as it gets.


Man your a homer. Henry is going to outrush LJ and LJ? LMAO. Henry sucks ass.

[Florida_Bronco]

Well first off, LJ is going to have to get onto the field before he can outrush Henry. Right now it's very possible that doesn't happen.

Second, why are you guys arguing with Bobo about this? That's like arguing with a vegeterian about pork vs. beef...you know you are right because the other person doesn't have any knowledge on the subject.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well first off, LJ is going to have to get onto the field before he can outrush Henry. Right now it's very possible that doesn't happen.


LMAO. There's no chance LJ isn't signed before Week 1. Pay attention to the news, son. Almost everyone is reporting that the Chiefs and LJ are close to a deal.

[RkyMtnThunder]

LMAO. There's no chance LJ isn't signed before Week 1. Pay attention to the news, son. Almost everyone is reporting that the Chiefs and LJ are close to a deal.

After reading todays feature article on ESPN/NFL.com, I wonder if this holdout has anything to do with wanting to avoid River Falls? Doesnt seem popular with the players, and it seems that established players are holding out to avoid camp more and more

I bet my next paycheck that Michael Strahan's (for example) 'mulling retirement' has more to do with wanting to avoid training camp/preseason than anything else.

LJ knows he will be rode like a cheap mule this year - not unlike Ricky Williams in Miami a couple seasons ago. I cant say I blame him for holding out, wanting money - and skipping camp is just a bonus. Screw the $14k daily fines when they earn as much as they do!

[Florida_Bronco]

After reading todays feature article on ESPN/NFL.com, I wonder if this holdout has anything to do with wanting to avoid River Falls? Doesnt seem popular with the players, and it seems that established players are holding out to avoid camp more and more

I bet my next paycheck that Michael Strahan's (for example) 'mulling retirement' has more to do with wanting to avoid training camp/preseason than anything else.

LJ knows he will be rode like a cheap mule this year - not unlike Ricky Williams in Miami a couple seasons ago. I cant say I blame him for holding out, wanting money - and skipping camp is just a bonus. Screw the $14k daily fines when they earn as much as they do!

LJ knows this is his only chance to get a big contract, as he's already nearing the end of his career and will start declining soon.

[Pat Bowlen]

Why is everybody getting worked up about this thread? ZONA only posts here when the season is about to begin and the hype train is rolling. We signed Travis because he would succeed in our system, and that it's such a surprise to people when he actually does is a mystery to me.

[Jetmeck]

Man your a homer. Henry sucks ass.

Yeah the guy gets 1200 yards on a suck ass team like Tennesee and we pump out 1000 yard rushers. Chef fans are all losers anyway.

Take your pimple face arse over to Bob's place....he could use a new friend.

[bcbronc]

Man o Man do I have high hopes now. All you needed to see was that first drive to know that this guy is going to EXPLODE this year and I'm guessing he's gonna net 1800 yards. Not only did you see pure toughness and raw strength on a few runs but you saw the vision and precise timing. How about that play where he stretched outside and split through two guys. It was not a clean split either - it required perfect timing and power to get through it.

Not taking anything away from LT or LJ but now I feel alot better about having the better running game when we go head to head. Henry might even outrush both of those guys.

Man - this is gonna be fun. That signing right there alone may have been the best signing of a FA to this team in a long long time. None will be better then the signing of Champ but this could be as close as it gets.

when you say "net 1800 yards" are you meaning all-purpose yardage? I hope so because that's at least slightly possible. but even that's stretching it.

I do not see Henry rushing for anywhere near 1800 yards. I'd be surprised, albeit pleasantly, if Henry cracks 1500. with a young qb, a sumwhat shakey-to-date oline, and what should be 3 solid d's to play against in the division I'm expecting 1200-1300 yards from him. henry's biggest contributions will be more consistant running on 1st and 10s and converting on 3rd and <4s.

but to expect henry to lead the NFL in rushing is a little farfetched, imo.

[maher_tyler]

when you say "net 1800 yards" are you meaning all-purpose yardage? I hope so because that's at least slightly possible. but even that's stretching it.

I do not see Henry rushing for anywhere near 1800 yards. I'd be surprised, albeit pleasantly, if Henry cracks 1500. with a young qb, a sumwhat shakey-to-date oline, and what should be 3 solid d's to play against in the division I'm expecting 1200-1300 yards from him. henry's biggest contributions will be more consistant running on 1st and 10s and converting on 3rd and <4s.

but to expect henry to lead the NFL in rushing is a little farfetched, imo.

Exactly..was running behind a shakey O line, wait till Lepsis and Hamilton are in there and see what he can do..i'm guessing he'll be in the 1500 yard range.

[maher_tyler]

Man your a homer. Henry is going to outrush LJ and LJ? LMAO. Henry sucks ass.

Dumbest post i have ever read..oh it's from a KC fan..that explains everything..****in douche..it's funny cause in a few weeks we wont be hearing anything from the KC fans..i can't wait!!

[baja]

Did any of you naysayers watch Henry last night, this guy is going to be a monster in Denver. We had three starting O linemen out last night when Henry was in.

[Old Dude]

Travis looked fabulous.

[That One Guy]

So, just for the record, Bob is assuring us that LJ will be signed by week 1 just the way he assured us that he wouldn't hold out in the first place, right?

And it's still lovely to hear Carl say he's "cautiously optimistic" but Bob can assure us. Maybe the reason why the negotiations are failing is because Bob knows more than Carl does.

[baja]

Travis looked fabulous.

With his vision, patience and power he does remind me of TD

Speaking of TD it was nice to see #30 on the field and looking good to boot.

[WoodMan]

Walker was a big signing too. Where would our receiving corps be without him?

We traded for Walker. He was not a free agent.

[redrage]

First of all, any fan who isn't a little nervous about their RB staying healthy for the entire season is a little naive. The position is a brutal one and it just takes one awkward tackle or step to end a season, LJ and LT included. And it has nothing to do with holding out or past injury histories.

That said, I agree with the title post. Should Henry avoid those calamities, he'll be a machine in this system. 1500 yards and double digit scores at minimum.

I got the first pick in my fantasy draft (tomlinson, duh) and I was hoping that Henry would fall all the way back to me in the second round. Of course him doing well in a nationally televised game gets the anntenna of my competitors up. I doubt he'll last much past the first round, if that.

[SportinOne]

Do what i did. Draft LT and auction him off to the highest bidder. I could never have him on my team during the season. I do not want him to do well at all, ever. Same with LJ. Trade LT and a mediocre WR for Henry and a stud WR.

[NASurfer]

I don't know about Henry outrushing LJ or LT but the Henry/Bell combination certainly might, assuming Mike wins the #2 spot.

Denver ran the ball an average of over 520 times a year for the last three seasons. If Henry takes 300 and Bell takes 150 that leaves 70 for miscelaneous runs, most of which came from Plummer last year but Sapp will get some of these along with the FB's.

Henry: 300 x 4.8 ypc=1440 yards
Bell: 150 x 4.4=660 yards
Total: 2100 yards rushing combined

Toss in another 300 for the rest of them.

That seems about right. Henry will be the closest thing to a workhorse we've had in a long time, but it's not gonna get Larry Johnson ridiculous with the carries. There is still a benefit to having fresh legs in there and Mike Bell has shown he can contribute in that role.

1500 would be an outstanding season, but I'm positive it'll be below that. We'll still finish top 5 in rushing though.

[baja]

I think everybody is over looking Mike Bell a little bit. He looks vastly improved over last year to me.

[RaiderH8r]

Henry can't take 350 carries. I figure that's what he'd need to have a shot at outrushing LT/LJ.

The only thing LJ is rushing for right now is orange drink in the fridge. More than that, IF the chefs manage to get him into camp he still has to carry the load behind a sheeeeit OL and a less than a threat at QB. And the IF Croyle gets it together who's he going to throw to? McSkillets? Quitterson? Gonzalez (through a double team because you don't have to worry too much about WRs who can't catch a cold in a KC January)?

Chef D....still hasn't reported to camp.

I mock you and your team. Perhaps you should take up tennis.

[redrage]

Do what i did. Draft LT and auction him off to the highest bidder. I could never have him on my team during the season. I do not want him to do well at all, ever. Same with LJ. Trade LT and a mediocre WR for Henry and a stud WR.

I really think that would be fantasy football suicide. When healthy you can almost write Tomlinson down for 20+ TDs. He is 1.5-2 backs in one. Its like having an extra really good player on your team.

I try to stay pretty objective when drafting a fantasy team. Although I hate the Chargers and Broncos with a burning passion, I still respect them enough to acknowledge the talent on their team. The Raiders are different. I neither like or respect that franchise. It'll be a cold day in hell before I draft a stinking Raider. Luckily for me, the pickings have been slim from them the last few seasons.

[redrage]

The only thing LJ is rushing for right now is orange drink in the fridge. More than that, IF the chefs manage to get him into camp he still has to carry the load behind a sheeeeit OL and a less than a threat at QB. And the IF Croyle gets it together who's he going to throw to? McSkillets? Quitterson? Gonzalez (through a double team because you don't have to worry too much about WRs who can't catch a cold in a KC January)?

Chef D....still hasn't reported to camp.

I mock you and your team. Perhaps you should take up tennis.

Maybe you should put down whatever low-grade magazine you are copying your opinion from and think for yourself for a change.

[RaiderH8r]

Maybe you should put down whatever low-grade magazine you are copying your opinion from and think for yourself for a change.

I don't read anything Boob writes for...that and I'm a Broncos fan so I've got that going for me, which is nice.

Bottom line Chefs have legitimate concerns all over their O. Gonzo is the only consistant threat, Croyle is unproven and untested, Huard is anybody's guess as to what you get for a season, LJ isn't as close to a deal as has been said (still $5-$6 million apart on guaranteed money, closer on yearly salary), and Jared Allen can't lay off the loud mouth soup long enough to get sober, the LB corps are weak, Surtain is solid enough, Law is up in years but can probably still perform. So, to sum up, you've got your stud RB holding out, a first ballot TE, one good corner, and one aging corner with more savvy than skills. You're only 30 players from turning that ship around. Sheeit, I was all kinds of wrong about you guys.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Hey, if you guys dont respond to the Chef trolls then they will either go away or change the tone of their conversation here.

That would be better for everybody.

[redrage]

I don't read anything Boob writes for...that and I'm a Broncos fan so I've got that going for me, which is nice.

Bottom line Chefs have legitimate concerns all over their O. Gonzo is the only consistant threat, Croyle is unproven and untested, Huard is anybody's guess as to what you get for a season, LJ isn't as close to a deal as has been said (still $5-$6 million apart on guaranteed money, closer on yearly salary), and Jared Allen can't lay off the loud mouth soup long enough to get sober, the LB corps are weak, Surtain is solid enough, Law is up in years but can probably still perform. So, to sum up, you've got your stud RB holding out, a first ballot TE, one good corner, and one aging corner with more savvy than skills. You're only 30 players from turning that ship around. Sheeit, I was all kinds of wrong about you guys.

I guess it is a matter of perspective (wishful thinking). I'll spin KC's chances another way:

The O-line isn't any worse than last season. The only significant loss was Shields (although he has a solid chance for the HOF, was only an average O-lineman last year, hence his retirement). Welbourn slides nicely into that Guard spot were he is better suited. Svitek/McIntosh are better options at LT than Jordan Black. Anyone who disagrees clearly is uninformed. The only concern on the O-line I have is at RT, where Welbourn vacated. I think (hope) Turley will eventually win that spot back. He's put on some more weight relative to last season and has successfully played that position before. So the O-line, while not the juggernaut it was 3 years ago, is improved from last season. Believe it, wish for it, it is what it is.

The reciever song has been sung for the last 10 years. Gonzo, Kennison and Bowe are a solid trio. The threat of LJ does more for them than anything.

Which brings me to LJ. Will he sign in time? My guess is definately. He'd be stupid to turn down a legit offer to make a point this late in his life. While he is 28, the cronic wear of football is virtually nil. Will he suffer from last season's load? Maybe, maybe not. He does play most of his games on natural grass which Jamal Anderson did not. And any RB can get injured regardless of their carries and/or size. So I don't necessarliy think a heavy workload preconditions him for injury. I think a heavy workload more preconditions him to losing quickness/burst/power than anything else.

Regardless, the RB depth is MUCH better this season. Last season it was LJ and Bennett and Bennett was hurt for half the season. Hence the big work load. This season, KC has Bennett (healthy), Holmes (a long shot IMO), and Kolby Smith and nice rookie.

Defensively, with all due respect, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. KC's LB's are weak? Our 'old' corners showed up to camp in phenomenal shape and the remainer of the secondary is young and hard hitting. I do have concerns about the tackle position (sound familiar?) but Allen and Hali are two bookends most any team would love to have.

The lynchpin is Croyle. I'll admit he has to play well and it is an unknown. Every part of the team could be improved (like I believe it is) and a poor season from him or Huard would result in 8 wins or less. I'll just leave you with this thought. The best QB KC had last season is still on the roster and he probably won't start.

I honestly believe KC could be anywhere from 5-11 to 11-5 depending on a WIDE variety of factors.

Sorry to have highjacked a thread about Henry (who I think will be dynamite this year), but I didn't start it and felt compelled to respond.

[redrage]

Hey, if you guys dont respond to the Chef trolls then they will either go away or change the tone of their conversation here.

That would be better for everybody.

I'm a troll? I was discussing Travis Henry until RaiderH8r started analyzing KC. I didn't want him going into the season with skewed expectations.

[Beej]

Henry looks awesome, but I wish I could have seen him for a second drive. Bell and Sapp were pretty good, too. I missed the 4th quarter, did Andre Hall get some carries?

[broncswin]

I like the fact that he finishes runs. This guy got hit a couple times in the backfield and gained another four to five yards on average. Goal line situation is what impressed me. He got hit by a wave of defenders and still moved forward. He also knows how to slide through cracks, he keeps his eyes up on the goal line, which we haven't seen since big Mike. I know it was only a few carries, but if this guy stays healthy the offense will roll.

[ZONA]

Why is everybody getting worked up about this thread? ZONA only posts here when the season is about to begin and the hype train is rolling. We signed Travis because he would succeed in our system, and that it's such a surprise to people when he actually does is a mystery to me.

You are indeed a clown. What, you pulled up every single post by me in the past and figured out that I only post in preseason. Like, my computer breaks down during the regular season. Go back to your circus clown boy if that's the best trash you can pull up on me.
:curtsey:

[RaiderH8r]

I guess it is a matter of perspective (wishful thinking). I'll spin KC's chances another way:

The O-line isn't any worse than last season. The only significant loss was Shields (although he has a solid chance for the HOF, was only an average O-lineman last year, hence his retirement). Welbourn slides nicely into that Guard spot were he is better suited. Svitek/McIntosh are better options at LT than Jordan Black. Anyone who disagrees clearly is uninformed. The only concern on the O-line I have is at RT, where Welbourn vacated. I think (hope) Turley will eventually win that spot back. He's put on some more weight relative to last season and has successfully played that position before. So the O-line, while not the juggernaut it was 3 years ago, is improved from last season. Believe it, wish for it, it is what it is.

The reciever song has been sung for the last 10 years. Gonzo, Kennison and Bowe are a solid trio. The threat of LJ does more for them than anything.

Which brings me to LJ. Will he sign in time? My guess is definately. He'd be stupid to turn down a legit offer to make a point this late in his life. While he is 28, the cronic wear of football is virtually nil. Will he suffer from last season's load? Maybe, maybe not. He does play most of his games on natural grass which Jamal Anderson did not. And any RB can get injured regardless of their carries and/or size. So I don't necessarliy think a heavy workload preconditions him for injury. I think a heavy workload more preconditions him to losing quickness/burst/power than anything else.

Regardless, the RB depth is MUCH better this season. Last season it was LJ and Bennett and Bennett was hurt for half the season. Hence the big work load. This season, KC has Bennett (healthy), Holmes (a long shot IMO), and Kolby Smith and nice rookie.

Defensively, with all due respect, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. KC's LB's are weak? Our 'old' corners showed up to camp in phenomenal shape and the remainer of the secondary is young and hard hitting. I do have concerns about the tackle position (sound familiar?) but Allen and Hali are two bookends most any team would love to have.

The lynchpin is Croyle. I'll admit he has to play well and it is an unknown. Every part of the team could be improved (like I believe it is) and a poor season from him or Huard would result in 8 wins or less. I'll just leave you with this thought. The best QB KC had last season is still on the roster and he probably won't start.

I honestly believe KC could be anywhere from 5-11 to 11-5 depending on a WIDE variety of factors.

Sorry to have highjacked a thread about Henry (who I think will be dynamite this year), but I didn't start it and felt compelled to respond.

We're just going to have to disagree on the WRs. Listening to LJ it doesn't sound like he's trying to make a point, it sounds like he very much understands that this is his money contract. That while wear and tear have been minimal for his age and time in the league that the RB position in the NFL has a very short shelf life compared to the rest of the positions. He expects to get a load of carries every year and knows that wear and tear is coming and will come during the next contract period and is setting himself up to be financially set should something befall him. Honestly, I hate holdouts but the guy makes solid points. He does get a ton of carries and will continue to do so under Herm. He runs tough, taking on tacklers and big hits. And these things don't combine for a very long career of productivity. If he does have a longer career that's just gravy. The upside for you guys is that if/when a deal gets done it sounds like he's not going to sit back and rest on the big money.

I just don't see it with Croyle. Not that he doesn't have the skills but he needs a reliable guy. Gonzo is and should be that guy but when McSkillets and Quitterson don't scare D's into bracket/double/zone coverage D's are able to more effectively commit more men to take care of Gonzo in coverage.

Tried to be short.

T-Hank, impressive. I love yards after contact. He was hit in the backfield and still picked up 5 yds a couple of times. He had that run down the sideline, broke two tacklers, and went for 8ish more. He's quick and powerful to the hole and all of this makes a Bronco fan grin. We need more out of #2 WR last night, but first preseason game and I'm not going off the bridge yet. Scheff should add a good wrinkle and wondering if Marshall is going to suck it up or grow pansies this year. He HAS to suck it up and contribute for O to excel.

[Kaylore]

I'm curious about Cutler. Why did he only play one series? He only threw two passes. It's not like he couldn't use the reps.
Starters play only one series the first game. Then they play three the second game. They they play three quarters the third game. Then they don't play at all the last game. That's how Shanahan has always done it.

Svitek/McIntosh are better options at LT than Jordan Black.
LOL Wimbly made Svitek look like a school girl. If McIntosh comes back, maybe you'll be a bit better, but Svitek is not the answer and your coaches know it.

As for the topic at hand, Shanahan will save Henry, unlike Herm. I would be surprised if he got over the 300 carry mark myself. We have Sapp and Mike Bell to take the beating when we're up two scores in the fourth quarter. No need to waste Henry on mop-up duty.

[redrage]

We're just going to have to disagree on the WRs. Listening to LJ it doesn't sound like he's trying to make a point, it sounds like he very much understands that this is his money contract. That while wear and tear have been minimal for his age and time in the league that the RB position in the NFL has a very short shelf life compared to the rest of the positions. He expects to get a load of carries every year and knows that wear and tear is coming and will come during the next contract period and is setting himself up to be financially set should something befall him. Honestly, I hate holdouts but the guy makes solid points. He does get a ton of carries and will continue to do so under Herm. He runs tough, taking on tacklers and big hits. And these things don't combine for a very long career of productivity. If he does have a longer career that's just gravy. The upside for you guys is that if/when a deal gets done it sounds like he's not going to sit back and rest on the big money.

I just don't see it with Croyle. Not that he doesn't have the skills but he needs a reliable guy. Gonzo is and should be that guy but when McSkillets and Quitterson don't scare D's into bracket/double/zone coverage D's are able to more effectively commit more men to take care of Gonzo in coverage.

Tried to be short.




Fair enough. I just get the feeling that while LJ wants to make a point, he can't afford NOT to play this year, so he'll get what he can and report. Carl is stubborn enough not to give him whatever he wants, so if LJ sticks to an outraguos amount then I see CP standing firm and going into the season without him.

The WR talent is lacking. With the Coryll (sp?) offense and the talent on the O-line, receivers had a better chance to get separation, so even medicore recievers could service. With more of a playaction type offense (ugh) the talent of a receiver will matter more. Hopefully Bowe will show that. Bowe (should he pan out) and Kennison will be a solid duo. It's pretty thin there, though.

[redrage]

LOL Wimbly made Svitek look like a school girl. If McIntosh comes back, maybe you'll be a bit better, but Svitek is not the answer and your coaches know it.


Laugh if you will, but that is how bad Black was last season.

[telluride]

Please stop quoting Bob!

[sixtimeseight]

Man your a homer. Henry is going to outrush LJ and LJ? LMAO. Henry sucks ass.

LJ's YPC last year: 4.3
Henry's YPC last year: 4.5


Next please!

[redrage]

Please stop quoting Bob!

I'm assuming you mean me. Let's put it this way. The Texans signed Jordan Black to play left tackle and it looks as though he isn't going to start for them. The TEXANS!!!!

[zdoor]

I really think that would be fantasy football suicide. When healthy you can almost write Tomlinson down for 20+ TDs. He is 1.5-2 backs in one. Its like having an extra really good player on your team.

I try to stay pretty objective when drafting a fantasy team. Although I hate the Chargers and Broncos with a burning passion, I still respect them enough to acknowledge the talent on their team. The Raiders are different. I neither like or respect that franchise. It'll be a cold day in hell before I draft a stinking Raider. Luckily for me, the pickings have been slim from them the last few seasons.

Well said. I agree completely.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Henry will win some games for us this season.

Mike Bell looked solid in his time also. He has the vision and instincts to be a great Bronco back, but just doesnt have the speed. He's a nice change of pace though. I would rather play he than Tatum Bell.

hell i would rather play a kid with polio rather than Tatum.

but on a side note, Mike hit the weights this offseason big time. he was looking a lot bigger than last season, almost looked like a FB.

[Orange_Beard]

Henry is the player many here wished M. Bell would be.....we have it for real now.

I think Mike Bell will still be the player I thought he would be, give the guy time. He came out of school smallish, he looks bigger.
Henry took a few years to develop into the player that he is today.

[24champ]

I don't read anything Boob writes for...that and I'm a Broncos fan so I've got that going for me, which is nice.

Bottom line Chefs have legitimate concerns all over their O. Gonzo is the only consistant threat, Croyle is unproven and untested, Huard is anybody's guess as to what you get for a season, LJ isn't as close to a deal as has been said (still $5-$6 million apart on guaranteed money, closer on yearly salary), and Jared Allen can't lay off the loud mouth soup long enough to get sober, the LB corps are weak, Surtain is solid enough, Law is up in years but can probably still perform. So, to sum up, you've got your stud RB holding out, a first ballot TE, one good corner, and one aging corner with more savvy than skills. You're only 30 players from turning that ship around. Sheeit, I was all kinds of wrong about you guys.

sheeeit you crack me up with that "your only 30 players away from turning that ship around" line.:spit:

[cutthemdown]

Laugh if you will, but that is how bad Black was last season.

Black is better then Svitek for sure. Svitek is a guy that wouldn.t be on a roster of not for the Queefs. He's a project player that has no biz starting yet. Mcintosh isn't very good either but until he comes back Svitek will continue to stink it up on the left side.

[Greybeard]

Man your a homer. Henry is going to outrush LJ and LJ? LMAO. Henry sucks ass.
Henry sucks ass. Hilarious!

I see you've smacked your way on over to here, Kmart. :wave:

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[Greybeard]

when you say "net 1800 yards" are you meaning all-purpose yardage? I hope so because that's at least slightly possible. but even that's stretching it.

I do not see Henry rushing for anywhere near 1800 yards. I'd be surprised, albeit pleasantly, if Henry cracks 1500. with a young qb, a sumwhat shakey-to-date oline, and what should be 3 solid d's to play against in the division I'm expecting 1200-1300 yards from him. henry's biggest contributions will be more consistant running on 1st and 10s and converting on 3rd and <4s.

but to expect henry to lead the NFL in rushing is a little farfetched, imo.
Is this where you've been BC? I haven't seen you over there much latley.

Anyway, I just wanted to mention that Henry already did nearly crack 1,500
with an inferior Buffalo offense . . . on his way to the Pro Bowl that year.
Then he ran the equivalent of 1,500 last year: 1,211 yards in 13 games.

I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. My point is that
if he can do a 1,500 number in either of those places, I don't know why he
can't go well beyond that here, assuming he stays healthy, of course.

You are right in your implication that Henry will be in pretty fast company if
he expects to lead the NFL in rushing. However, anything can happen in
Denver's system, where even journeymen runners become 1,000 yard
producers, can't it?--Especially if the threat of Cutler's arm materializes?

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[Los Broncos]

We are going to need Bell and Sapp to step up.

Travis is gonna be outstanding, but needs to stay healthy.

The O-line has me really worried....

We were without Nails and Lepsis, nothing to worry about

[ZONA]

Is this where you've been BC? I haven't seen you over there much latley.

Anyway, I just wanted to mention that Henry already did nearly crack 1,500
with an inferior Buffalo offense . . . on his way to the Pro Bowl that year.
Then he ran the equivalent of 1,500 last year: 1,211 yards in 13 games.

I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. My point is that
if he can do a 1,500 number in either of those places, I don't know why he
can't go well beyond that here, assuming he stays healthy, of course.

You are right in your implication that Henry will be in pretty fast company if
he expects to lead the NFL in rushing. However, anything can happen in
Denver's system, where even journeymen runners become 1,000 yard
producers, can't it?--Especially if the threat of Cutler's arm materializes?



Don't fret mate. I'm sure there were swarms of people who said TD would never amount to anything, then he did. Then they said he would never break 1500 yards, and he did. Then they said he would never break 2000 yards, and he did. Then they said.......................get the point?

Anyone who seriously doubts Henry will at LEAST get 1500 rushing yards (provided no major injuries) is either a fool or some Bronco hater who's pissing his pants right about now.

[Greybeard]

Don't fret mate. I'm sure there were swarms of people who said TD would never amount to anything, then he did. Then they said he would never break 1500 yards, and he did. Then they said he would never break 2000 yards, and he did. Then they said.......................get the point?

Anyone who seriously doubts Henry will at LEAST get 1500 rushing yards (provided no major injuries) is either a fool or some Bronco hater who's pissing his pants right about now.
I assure you, BC is not a Broncos hater, and he is no fool.

Just a little misguided, that's all. ;D

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[Hogan11]

I think Mike Bell will still be the player I thought he would be, give the guy time. He came out of school smallish, he looks bigger.
Henry took a few years to develop into the player that he is today.

He's too slow.

I think it's kinda amusing that some here were actually disappointed with the Henry signing because it backburnered Bell....I know he idolizes TD and wears his number and all, but C'mon...Henry is the right man at the right time where Bell may be nothing more than the avaerage, occasional change of pace back...and one who may well be beaten out by Sapp this year, no less.

[Sassy]

Sapp and Bell had very similar stats last night.

[Greybeard]

He's too slow.

I think it's kinda amusing that some here were actually disappointed with the Henry signing because it backburnered Bell....I know he idolizes TD and wears his number and all, but C'mon...Henry is the right man at the right time where Bell may be nothing more than the avaerage, occasional change of pace back...and one who may well be beaten out by Sapp this year, no less.
Actually, according to Coach Scout (http://www.couchscout.com/dnvr.htm), Bell, is slightly faster than Sapp, and
both are faster than TD was. Moreover, I have seen very good speed out
of Bell on the wide runs, including last night.

BTW, I am in no way saying that Bell should start or that he is even a
shadow of TD. I am only commenting on speed.

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[Bob's your Information Minister]

I can't believe anyone would say Bell is faster than TD.

[lazarus4444]

I'm taking a wait and see approach. I'd be happy if TH got 1,300 yards and 10 td's....

[bcbronc]

Is this where you've been BC? I haven't seen you over there much latley.

Anyway, I just wanted to mention that Henry already did nearly crack 1,500
with an inferior Buffalo offense . . . on his way to the Pro Bowl that year.
Then he ran the equivalent of 1,500 last year: 1,211 yards in 13 games.

I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. My point is that
if he can do a 1,500 number in either of those places, I don't know why he
can't go well beyond that here, assuming he stays healthy, of course.

You are right in your implication that Henry will be in pretty fast company if
he expects to lead the NFL in rushing. However, anything can happen in
Denver's system, where even journeymen runners become 1,000 yard
producers, can't it?--Especially if the threat of Cutler's arm materializes?

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henry's 1400 yard season was 4 years ago, and his second in the league. since then two teams have looked to upgrade the position over him. and as you know, there is no such thing as an "equivalent" to 1500 yards. as yoda would say, you got there or you didn't.

our team has a revamped if not rebuilt offensive line. lepsis is yet to show he has regained his preinjury form. the five man unit is yet to be decided (at least it looks that way) which means it will take that much longer for them to acquire the chemistry needed for Henry to get 1500+ yards. add in the strong defenses in the afc west (not sure about kc yet) and thats potentially 6 games of tough running. add in a first year starter at QB likely getting 8 in the box alot (at least early in the season ;) ). finally, there is the fact that Henry has only played an average of 11 games a season the past 3 years. likely bell or sapp will see a good chunk of carries to help minimize the wear and tear on the smallish henry.

of course anything can happen. but unless our offensive line play returns to its past glory it's tough for me to see Henry getting significantly more than 1300 yards. obviously I'll be thrilled if he does break 1500 yards, but I don't think his final yard total will be the true indicator of Henry's contribution to the team. regardless of what he tallies on the season, I expect our running game to be more consistant than it's been since portis left.

[bcbronc]

Don't fret mate. I'm sure there were swarms of people who said TD would never amount to anything, then he did. Then they said he would never break 1500 yards, and he did. Then they said he would never break 2000 yards, and he did. Then they said.......................get the point?

Anyone who seriously doubts Henry will at LEAST get 1500 rushing yards (provided no major injuries) is either a fool or some Bronco hater who's pissing his pants right about now.

and I'm sure there were swarms of people who said Q and tatum would be 1500 yard backs. or the dayne trayne.

anyone who considers Henry a LOCK to get at LEAST 1500 rushing yards (despite never having done it and getting <400 yards 2 of the last 3 seasons) is either a homer or some little kid who knows more about madden than the nfl.

[ZONA]

and I'm sure there were swarms of people who said Q and tatum would be 1500 yard backs. or the dayne trayne.

anyone who considers Henry a LOCK to get at LEAST 1500 rushing yards (despite never having done it and getting <400 yards 2 of the last 3 seasons) is either a homer or some little kid who knows more about madden than the nfl.

I can't speak for anybody else but I for one never thought Dayne, Tatum Bell or Q were 1500 yards backs. Dayne was more of a pounder and Tatum and Q were always a change of pace guy. They are not chain movers so they could not stay of the field enough to get those kinds of yards. Henry IS a feature back. I mean, if Droughns can rack up 1000 easy then I certainly believe a guy like Henry can get to 1500. It really isn't such a huge number as it once used to be. With 16 games, if you can't get 1300, then you're not doing alot if you ask me. 1500 yards in this system is like getting 1200 on some other team, ask anybody in the world. BTW - what gives with your crap ass attitude? You're certainly a freindly fella aren't you..............lol

[bcbronc]

I can't speak for anybody else but I for one never thought Dayne, Tatum Bell or Q were 1500 yards backs. Dayne was more of a pounder and Tatum and Q were always a change of pace guy. They are not chain movers so they could not stay of the field enough to get those kinds of yards. Henry IS a feature back. I mean, if Droughns can rack up 1000 easy then I certainly believe a guy like Henry can get to 1500. It really isn't such a huge number as it once used to be. With 16 games, if you can't get 1300, then you're not doing alot if you ask me. 1500 yards in this system is like getting 1200 on some other team, ask anybody in the world. BTW - what gives with your crap ass attitude? You're certainly a freindly fella aren't you..............lol


my crap ass attitude? coming from the guy who said I was either a fool or a bronco hater for having lower expectations than you. go figure.

I do agree with 1500 not being what it once was. 1300 yards today would be what 1000 was a couple of decades ago. but you started this thread talking about 1800 yards. that is still elite-back numbers, and to date I dont see Henry as that kind of elite back.

and, as much as it pains me to say, our system is no longer what it was even 5 years ago. sure we churn out 1000 yard backs, but we agree that 1000 yards isn't that impressive anymore.

yes, travis henry is the best back we've had since portis left. but 1500 yards is overly optimistic (IMO) and 1800 yards is overly homeristic (again, just my opinion).

[ZONA]

my crap ass attitude? coming from the guy who said I was either a fool or a bronco hater for having lower expectations than you. go figure.

I do agree with 1500 not being what it once was. 1300 yards today would be what 1000 was a couple of decades ago. but you started this thread talking about 1800 yards. that is still elite-back numbers, and to date I dont see Henry as that kind of elite back.

and, as much as it pains me to say, our system is no longer what it was even 5 years ago. sure we churn out 1000 yard backs, but we agree that 1000 yards isn't that impressive anymore.

yes, travis henry is the best back we've had since portis left. but 1500 yards is overly optimistic (IMO) and 1800 yards is overly homeristic (again, just my opinion).


I honestly believe our running game has suffered while Jake was at the helm. People did not respect the passing game near enough, thus, teams really stacked up against our run attack. I don't care if Zimmerman and crew were still the OL, if they had Plummer as their QB, they too would not have had such great ground #'s. I think Jay is going to help the run big time. That downfield threat is lagit and I think the ground attack is really going to be revived. As much as I loved TD, a huge part of his game was in lue of Elway being the QB. Teams could not afford to stack up. When they did, Elway reminded them that he would make sure they paid for it. Plummer just wasn't consistant enough and certainly didn't have a high % when it came to downfield throws so even if teams didn't stack the box, they didn't have guys too far away from the LOS, there was no need. Now it's a different ballgame. It's not only because I think Henry is a special back, in the right offense, but Jay is going to help keep those safety's out of the box. I aslo think the addtion of Daniel will help the run even more so. And Shanahan has shown he is a coach to stick with the run. So with Jay making big plays downfield, and our coach sticking with the run, I really do believe 1600-1800 is very possible. It's not homer, it's just my evaluation of all the pices of the puzzle helping the run game succeed. Not just all on Henry's shoulders.

[DivineLegion]

Henry can't take the pounding to outrush either of those guys. But he'll make a difference. Running over the 49ers defense isn't all that impressive, but he was breaking a TON of tackles. He's pretty scary.

You know whats funny about that 9ers defense...This is a good one youll love it


The 9ers allowed ONE more ypc then the Chiefs, 12 more total yards rushing, allowed 4 more TDs, and allowed a 71yrd run wich is acctualy 14 less then the 85yrd run the Chiefs allowed...The 9ers D ranked 19 behind guess who at 18 :egbgb:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I take it back. VERY impressive outing by Henry.

[DivineLegion]

Dont take it back man your right...the Chiefs D sucks ^5

Dont forget the 9ers upgraded at MLB with Willis and have a healthy Manny Lawson who missed 5 games last season. Oh and Mike Lewis might help out with some run support from the saftey position...

[Beantown Bronco]

I tend to agree with bcbronc's expectations. Could Henry put up 1500+ this season? Sure he could, if he gets the carries and stays healthy all season long. But those are big "ifs".

The general consensus seems to be that he will get around 20-22 carries per game. If he does that and stays healthy all season long, he will need to average about 4.5 yards per carry to get 1,500 yards. That should be do-able. But should he miss a game or two, he will obviously need to significantly increase his YPC by .2 to .3 for each game missed....still very do-able, but obviously tougher with each game missed. And it's been awhile since he has stayed healthy for a full slate (not to mention staying healthy for the post season).

Now for anyone saying 1,800 is realistic.....I just don't see it unless the team plans on him carrying the ball closer to 30 carries a game and he somehow stays healthy all season. 112 rushing yards per game for a full season is next to impossible if you are only carrying the ball 20 times a game.

[ZONA]

I tend to agree with bcbronc's expectations. Could Henry put up 1500+ this season? Sure he could, if he gets the carries and stays healthy all season long. But those are big "ifs".

The general consensus seems to be that he will get around 20-22 carries per game. If he does that and stays healthy all season long, he will need to average about 4.5 yards per carry to get 1,500 yards. That should be do-able. But should he miss a game or two, he will obviously need to significantly increase his YPC by .2 to .3 for each game missed....still very do-able, but obviously tougher with each game missed. And it's been awhile since he has stayed healthy for a full slate (not to mention staying healthy for the post season).

Now for anyone saying 1,800 is realistic.....I just don't see it unless the team plans on him carrying the ball closer to 30 carries a game and he somehow stays healthy all season. 112 rushing yards per game for a full season is next to impossible if you are only carrying the ball 20 times a game.

I don't think you need 30 carries a game to get around 1700-1800 yards. None of the rushing leaders over the past few years were even close to getting the ball 30 times. I think if Henry stays healthy, 1500 is a safe bet looking at stats and how the Broncos run the ball. Consider the past 4 years with Plummer as the QB and teams stacking the LOS. Then consider we now have a lagit downfield passing game and a much better blocking TE and a much better back. Clinton was good but the likes of Tatum, and older Mike Anderson, Ruben Droughns, Q, Dayne, whatever. Henry is better then all of them. 1800 may be a stretch as you say but 1600 & 1700 is a realistic #, given the improvents to our offense.



Player Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G

2006
LaDainian Tomlinson 21.8 1815 5.2 113.4
Larry Johnson 26.0 1789 4.3 111.8
Frank Gore 19.5 1695 5.4 105.9
Tiki Barber 20.4 1662 5.1 103.9
Steven Jackson 21.6 1528 4.4 95.5
Willie Parker 21.1 1494 4.4 93.4


2005
Shaun Alexander 23.1 1880 5.1 117.5
Tiki Barber 22.3 1860 5.2 116.2
Larry Johnson 21.0 1750 5.2 109.4
Clinton Portis 22.0 1516 4.3 94.8
Edgerrin James 24.0 1506 4.2 100.4


2004
Curtis Martin 23.2 1697 4.6 106.1
Shaun Alexander 22.1 1696 4.8 106.0
Corey Dillon 23.0 1635 4.7 109.0
Edgerrin James 20.9 1548 4.6 96.8
Tiki Barber 20.1 1518 4.7 94.9



Denver Broncos 30.5 2152 4.4 134.5 2006
Denver Broncos 33.9 2539 4.7 158.7 2005
Denver Broncos 33.4 2333 4.4 145.8 2004
Denver Broncos 33.9 2629 4.8 164.3 2003

[Greybeard]

I can't believe anyone would say Bell is faster than TD.
I'm going by 40 times. Bell is around 4.52, whereas TD was 4.6-something. Now,
football speed is a different story. I just did not see TD being run down by
anyone, once he cleared the line, unless they had an angle.

Nonetheless, I have been impressed by Bell's speed as he runs wide. I didn't see
that at UA . . . although I don't remember a lot of sweeps by them.

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[baja]

He could have a 1000 by the bye

[cutthemdown]

Henry has to get at least 325 carries to get 1500 IMO. That would be around 4.5 per carry which I think is pretty reasonable to expect. More importantly then that is picking up the tough 1st downs. I think in this regard everyone agrees Henry is really going to help us. A couple extra 3rd down conversions in an important game can be a huge difference maker. Tatum Bell had some great great runs but he just couldn't be counted on to break a tackle and pick up the tough first down. Henry will avg between 20-25 carries a game and get between 1400-1700 yrds.

[Broncos_OTM]

You know i love the Orangemane. You guys are great full of knowledge and are great as far as football knowledge. But this site is full of Frigging trolls. I would never post on a opposing website. Bob, Kmartin and crew please for the love of god go back to your teams site.

I mean seriously every thread get whacked. All i see is a bunch of baiting on there behalf and its sad to say that some on this site bite.

[cutthemdown]

Mike Bell isn't near as fast as TD was people. I don't care about 40 times just watch old tape. TD exploded through holes and had a second gear that got him the distance.

[serious hops]

I see that you're still putting the "guarded" in guarded optimism. Stop being so logical and have a glass of Koolaid! If there's one thing to get truly excited about this year, it's the return of our punch ya in the mouth running game.

henry's 1400 yard season was 4 years ago, and his second in the league. since then two teams have looked to upgrade the position over him. and as you know, there is no such thing as an "equivalent" to 1500 yards. as yoda would say, you got there or you didn't.

Buffalo just shipped out the guy they "upgraded" with for another rookie "upgrade"-- when's the last time you heard that organization described as brilliant talent evaluators? And Tennessee wasn't necassarily looking to upgrade from Henry. They released him because he was due an ungodly eight million dollar or so roster bonus. From what I understand, they did make an offer to retain him, but we offered him more than they were willing to.

our team has a revamped if not rebuilt offensive line. lepsis is yet to show he has regained his preinjury form. the five man unit is yet to be decided (at least it looks that way) which means it will take that much longer for them to acquire the chemistry needed for Henry to get 1500+ yards.

While I share your concerns about the line, we managed to run relatively well (certainly not up to our high standards, but better than league average statistically) last year behind a patchwork line, with a committe of backs in which none of them was as good as Henry. And I'm basing my opinion of him primarily from watching him play in Buffalo and Tennessee, not that little bit of action Monday night.

Our line this year should be at least as good as last. Pears has a year under his belt, and should be more comfortable on the right side. As long as Lpesis can hobble on the field he's a major upgrade over Foster, so the tackle play overall should be comparable if not better. The interior is the same other than Carlisle, and I feel strongly that Kuper (who I still expect to be the week one starter) can match if not exceed Carlisle's run blocking.

Besides, it's not just our line that produces the results we get from the running game-- it's the entire system. That includes the ZBS scheme and the Mastermind's playcalling. It also includes WRs blocking downfield, and we've got a nice group of big, physical wideouts-- certainly no Eddie Mac in the bunch, but I'll take them over Peerless Price, David Givens, etc etc. And Dan Graham is just nasty. I also suspect that Bobby Turner may have a few new tricks even for an experienced back like Henry.

add in the strong defenses in the afc west (not sure about kc yet) and thats potentially 6 games of tough running.

We ran for over 100 yards against New England and Baltimore last year (arguably the two best run defenses in the league), before Tater wore down. If he can't put up big numbers in some of the divisional games, he'll have to make it up against teams like Indy and Arizona. LOL

add in a first year starter at QB likely getting 8 in the box alot (at least early in the season ;) ).

True, but Cutler has the arm to make 'em pay if they don't respect him. A few deep bombs to Walker will back those safeties off in a hurry. We'll see how it works out.

finally, there is the fact that Henry has only played an average of 11 games a season the past 3 years. likely bell or sapp will see a good chunk of carries to help minimize the wear and tear on the smallish henry.

On the flip side, that also means that he has fresh legs. And don't forget, not all those games were lost to injury. He lost four to a league suspension, and missed some time in Tennessee while they were fooling around trying to make Chris Brown into a legitimate starter. And Henry really isn't that small. Compare his listed weight of 215 to some of the league's workhorse backs. Just to take that comparison to the extreme, neither Emmitt nor TD weighed more than that. Henry may be short, but he's also thickly built.

I personally believe that only injuries can prevent him from getting in the 1,500 yard, 15 TD range this year. You're correct to point out that he's got a history of nagging injuries, but it's impossible to predict when those will stike. One thing I like is that he's proven he can play through pain. In either '02 or '03 he played several games with broken ribs, wearing a flack jacket. He's a tough dude. He wants the ball, and it's proven that he gets stronger with more carries-- I recently saw a stat that he gets more YPC in carries 11-20 than 1-10 (unlike Tater, who was the opposite), and his YPC has been highest the three years he's had the most carries. Shenanigans isn't afraid to work his RB hard when he's got a hoss-- I expect him to feed Henry plenty.

of course anything can happen. but unless our offensive line play returns to its past glory it's tough for me to see Henry getting significantly more than 1300 yards. obviously I'll be thrilled if he does break 1500 yards, but I don't think his final yard total will be the true indicator of Henry's contribution to the team. regardless of what he tallies on the season, I expect our running game to be more consistant than it's been since portis left.

I agree with you that stats, good or bad, never tell the whole story. Still, if he plays in 14 games or more and fails to reach 1,500, I'll drive up to Canada and buy you a beer. Maybe two.

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Excellent retort. The Mane needs mort posters like you I hope you stick around.

oh ya for what it's worth - Rep.

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I was going to respond to bcbronc, who had some good things to say but
needed mild correction in others. You did probably a better job than I would
have, so I'll leave it at that.

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Excellent retort. The Mane needs mort posters like you I hope you stick around.

oh ya for what it's worth - Rep.

Thanks, I appreciate that. This seems like a quality board, and I'm familiar with a few people here from Bmania. I'll probably be hanging around.