Chiefs fans and their loyalties ....

[easymobee]

I don't know why more people don't notice or mention it, but Chiefs fans are not loyal to their players at all. At least the ones that i run into online ( Mostly Planet fans ).

There are 2 prime examples of it that really stick out to me.

1. PRIEST HOLMES :

Don't get me wrong, i really didn't like Holmes when he was the Chiefs primary starter at RB. He was good, he was a chief, and that little arm thing he always did when he was crossing the goal line all gave me reason to not like him.
What i don't understand is why don't Chief fans like him? I don't know how many of you visit the planet regularly (i do), but the fans there want no part of Priest and if you look through a few Priest-themed threads over there, you'd see that about 85% of the posters would like him to just leave and go away, they actually show resentment to him even trying to come back (even though their starting RB is holding out).

When Holmes got hurt they didn't even feel bad, they were actually just excited about what LJ could do with the extra carries. When he was spotted in a box seat eating nachos later that same season they reacted like he had come to the Chiefs game dressed up like the barrel man, and they still talk about that "incident" to this day.

Priest was their best RB ever up until LJ (and he hasn't done enough yet to surpass Priest yet). He was their version of TD and yet they were ever so eager to forget all about him. I wasn't joined on this board yet when TD was trying his final comeback and Clinton Portis was looking at getting a minimal amount of carries due to it, but did the Broncos fans here publicly wish that TD would just go away so Portis could get more time on the field?

2. TRENT GREEN

KC's best QB since Len Dawson ( I don't count Joe Montana in this argument, and his short stint there, but many Chiefs fans do ).

He gets that concussion and it took most Chiefs fans 2 or 3 weeks after his return to deem him ready for a permanent benching in favor of Damon Huard of all people.

The offseason hits and their fans cant wait to hear that he has been unloaded for a 4th or 5th round pick. He finally goes and not one tear is shed. This one is even worse because there is no LJ waiting in the wings at QB, just Croyle and Huard.

Anyone else notice that KC fans do this? Those 2 guys were their best QB/RB combo ever and all they got was a "don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out" sendoff.


3: RYAN SIMS : just kidding


This is why Bronco fans are completely dominant in relation to Chiefs fans.

We have more lasting respect and appreciation for Sammy Winder than Chiefs fans do for Priest Holmes.

[Pat Bowlen]

This thread was necessary.

[Paladin]

In what way was it necessary?

[ZachKC]

I think Chiefs fans bring in the same commitment to a player that the player brings to the organization. I will use Holmes first. The tone of this doesn't seem to be about the field. Nobody is doubting the contribution Priest Holmes made to this team on the field of play. But nobody is doubting the guy at every turn has been in it for himself. When he got injured he was a total ghost. He abandoned is teammates 22 months ago. And now he swoops in doing his routine where he talks but doesn't really say anything...the guy gives 110% for us on the field. And thats respected. You go into Kansas City and everyone still loves Priest Holmes. But he is all business...he is a runner for hire. Thats his deal thats how he has chosen to go about his work but you could see how that is not going to get you the undying support like a player like TD.

I could get into Green as well...besides all this I think you are going by the message board sports fan which IMO isn't a good indicator of how a fan base feels at all. If I drove 2 blocks over the the plaza right now and then 5 mins down broadway street to downtown I bet I would see both Holmes and Green jerseys...these are players that more casual fans really connected with.

[Meck77]

I don't know why more people don't notice or mention it, but Chiefs fans are not loyal to their players at all. At least the ones that i run into online ( Mostly Planet fans ).


I'd take that a step further and make the point that they weren't loyal to the team until Trent Green era. Where were the Chief fans before he showed up?

My definition of a loyal fan base is group of people who fill their stadium up year in year out. IE Broncos/Green Bay etc. The Chief fans to do not belong in this same catergory.

This is going to be a tough year for the Chief fan base. We'll see who's still loyal at the end of the season. I've read plenty of "I'm selling my season ticket threads at the planet over the years". We'll see plenty of them again this season.

[ZachKC]

I'd take that a step further and make the point that they weren't loyal to the team until Trent Green era. Where were the Chief fans before he showed up?

My definition of a loyal fan base is group of people who fill their stadium up year in year out. IE Broncos/Green Bay etc. The Chief fans to do not belong in this same catergory.
Before the Trent Green era?

I am only 23. But that stadium has been packed and loud and Chiefs football has been a big deal through many more QBs before Trent Green. You don't know what you are talking about.

Arrowhead has been selling out and has been one of the hardest places to play looong before Trent Green came along.

[Meck77]

Ok let's call it the 90s then Zach. Either way the majority of the chief fans jumped on the bandwagon then.

[ZachKC]

Ok let's call it the 90s then Zach. Either way the majority of the chief fans jumped on the bandwagon then.

17 years is a long time to ride a bandwagon. I disagree with the word "majority" but there is no doubt Chiefs football as it is today was really established in 89. Carl Peterson for all he has done wrong put it together. I have no idea what the hell Jack Steadman was doing. At my age all I know is Arrowhead packed and the Chiefs being a huge deal all the time.

I will say this, because I a lot of people don't believe it...the Royals are so ****ty. Kansas City has a lot of baseball in its history. As much as football is king I think in its heart KC is a baseball town.

Aside from all that....I don't think football is going anywhere...you really have to reach into the bottom of the barrel if you have to go back that far to take shots at fans that are considered as among the leagues best for many years.

You know...a lot of us around here have only been Chiefs fans for 20 years...maybe its time to hop off that "bandwagon" and jump on to the Cowboys for a good 20.

[Florida_Bronco]

17 years is a long time to ride a bandwagon. I disagree with the word "majority" but there is no doubt Chiefs football as it is today was really established in 89. Carl Peterson for all he has done wrong put it together. I have no idea what the hell Jack Steadman was doing. At my age all I know is Arrowhead packed and the Chiefs being a huge deal all the time.

I will say this, because I a lot of people don't believe it...the Royals are so ****ty. Kansas City has a lot of baseball in its history. As much as football is king I think in its heart KC is a baseball town.

Aside from all that....I don't think football is going anywhere...you really have to reach into the bottom of the barrel if you have to go back that far to take shots at fans that are considered as among the leagues best for many years.

You know...a lot of us around here have only been Chiefs fans for 20 years...maybe its time to hop off that "bandwagon" and jump on to the Cowboys for a good 20.

Alright Zach, lets be honest here. First off, I realize that you are a good fan who would probably stick by the Chiefs through thick and thin and there are plenty more out there like you, but in all honesty here I don't think the Chiefs fanbase is really all that dedicated.

I grew up in a Chiefs family. My dad, his dad and most of their friends were all Chiefs fans. While my dad always supported and followed the Chiefs, his dad and alot of his friends would stop following the team and watching the games once they hit rough times.

Zach, can you honestly tell me that you think the Chiefs fans would still be "some of the best in football" if the Chiefs were constantly having losing seasons?

[That One Guy]

I also come from a family of Chef fans and I'll assure you, they don't lose hope and they're there year in and year out rooting for their team. Now, if they started having Raideresque type losing years where you weren't sure they were gonna win a game and next year could be even worse... then I wouldn't be so sure of their fanbase.

[ZachKC]

Alright Zach, lets be honest here. First off, I realize that you are a good fan who would probably stick by the Chiefs through thick and thin and there are plenty more out there like you, but in all honesty here I don't think the Chiefs fanbase is really all that dedicated.

I grew up in a Chiefs family. My dad, his dad and most of their friends were all Chiefs fans. While my dad always supported and followed the Chiefs, his dad and alot of his friends would stop following the team and watching the games once they hit rough times.

Zach, can you honestly tell me that you think the Chiefs fans would still be "some of the best in football" if the Chiefs were constantly having losing seasons?
This team hasn't won a playoff game since 92 or 93...

That stadium is just as loud and interest is just as strong.

I don't know how that is bandwagon.

[Bronco LB 59]

I think Chiefs fans bring in the same commitment to a player that the player brings to the organization. I will use Holmes first. The tone of this doesn't seem to be about the field. Nobody is doubting the contribution Priest Holmes made to this team on the field of play. But nobody is doubting the guy at every turn has been in it for himself. When he got injured he was a total ghost. He abandoned is teammates 22 months ago. And now he swoops in doing his routine where he talks but doesn't really say anything...the guy gives 110% for us on the field. And thats respected. You go into Kansas City and everyone still loves Priest Holmes. But he is all business...he is a runner for hire. Thats his deal thats how he has chosen to go about his work but you could see how that is not going to get you the undying support like a player like TD.

Holmes has his priorities straight though. His father did a tour of duty in Iraq. I don't see anything wrong with a guy spending his time with family in Texas with that circumstance. He wasn't very useful to the Chiefs being hurt and he made his family his top priority. Any fan who has a beef with Priest should give him a break.

[ZachKC]

Holmes has his priorities straight though. His father did a tour of duty in Iraq. I don't see anything wrong with a guy spending his time with family in Texas with that circumstance. He wasn't very useful to the Chiefs being hurt and he made his family his top priority. Any fan who has a beef with Priest should give him a break.

I don't have a problem with the way he has gone about things. But thats just once instance...at every point in time it has always been about Priest. And only Priest. Thats fine...it is though, an explanation as to why some don't take him in as much.

The guy is a mercenary. Runner for hire.

[No1BroncoFan]

Alright Zach, lets be honest here. First off, I realize that you are a good fan who would probably stick by the Chiefs through thick and thin and there are plenty more out there like you, but in all honesty here I don't think the Chiefs fanbase is really all that dedicated.

I grew up in a Chiefs family. My dad, his dad and most of their friends were all Chiefs fans. While my dad always supported and followed the Chiefs, his dad and alot of his friends would stop following the team and watching the games once they hit rough times.

Zach, can you honestly tell me that you think the Chiefs fans would still be "some of the best in football" if the Chiefs were constantly having losing seasons?
I'm not Zach, but I think we're gonna find out the answer to that question over the next few years. ;D

Ben

[ZachKC]

You guys are going to be so disappointed by this Chiefs team. After some of the posts I have been reading for the past few months.

[easymobee]

This thread was necessary.

I know it was not necessary (What % of the threads here really are?), but to me its interesting.

I don't read Dolphins fans complaining about Marino and all of those "wasted" years without a super bowl win, or Cowboys fans bemoaning the fact that Emmit was just in it for the record near the end.

I just think its interesting that the Chiefs fans i know (Planet, and there are a ******** of them over there) are so quick to throw dirt on the graves of their recent football heroes.

I don't know if you read the planet, but look at a few of those recent Priest Holmes threads, you'd think that it was Lin Elliot or Elvis Grbac showing up to camp from the way he's talked about over there.

Same goes with Trent Green, and even Dante Hall to a lesser extent. Weren't these guys football gods in KC as recent as 2 years ago?

[ZachKC]

I know it was not necessary, but to me its interesting.

I don't read Dolphins fans complaining about Marino and all of those "wasted" years without a super bowl win, or Cowboys fans bemoaning the fact that Emmit was just in it for the record near the end.

I just think its interesting that the Chiefs fans i know (Planet) are so quick to throw dirt on the graves of their recent football heroes.

I don't know if you read the planet, but look at a few of those recent Priest Holmes threads, you'd think that it was Lin Elliot or Elvis Grbac showing up to camp from the way he's talked about over there.

Message board culture. You should know that.

Aside from all that, can we put to bed all of this "Chiefs fans are happy with their season if they beat the Broncos."

There have been a lot of other people posting this silliness lately.

Easy, would you characterize Chiefs fans has people that are happy with how the last few seasons have gone.

[SoCalBronco]

I don't have a problem with the way he has gone about things. But thats just once instance...at every point in time it has always been about Priest. And only Priest. Thats fine...it is though, an explanation as to why some don't take him in as much.

The guy is a mercenary. Runner for hire.

Good. That is how every player SHOULD be. This is a business. They aren't here to take risks for us, or to be loyal to our respective teams, etc. They are here for their best interest. They are here to get as much out of this gig as they can for as long as they can. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Priest being a mercenary. Good for Priest.

[ol number 7]

I also come from a family of Chef fans and I'll assure you, they don't lose hope and they're there year in and year out rooting for their team. Now, if they started having Raideresque type losing years where you weren't sure they were gonna win a game and next year could be even worse... then I wouldn't be so sure of their fanbase.

Look on the Chiefs official website. Two game package for the Packers and Bronco's games. Trying to get Bronco fans to buy the package and sell the Packer tickets to Packer fans. Please visiting team; bring your fans so we can pretend we sellout every game with loyal Chief fans. I never had a problem picking up a ticket in the lot for face or less.They would rather eat BBQ and then return to the trailer park than watch the game.

[easymobee]

Message board culture. You should know that.


So you do see it too?

I don't think you really contribute to that, but i don't think its the norm around the NFL message board landscape.

Redskins fans do it with Bailey, but thats a lot more understandable.

All i know is its much easier to find "good" posts about Mike Vick on a Falcons board then it is to find "good" posts about Trent Green on a Chiefs board.

Just interesting, and i'll eat my words when the day comes that i sign in here and see a bunch of threads talking bad about Steve Atwater, Rod Smith, TD, and John Elway.

[ZachKC]

So you do see it too?

I don't think you really contribute to that, but i don't think its the norm around the NFL message board landscape.

Redskins fans do it with Bailey, but thats a lot more understandable.

All i know is its much easier to find "good" posts about Mike Vick on a Falcons board then it is to find "good" posts about Trent Green on a Chiefs board.

Just interesting, and i'll eat my words when the day comes that i sign in here and see a bunch of threads talking bad about Steve Atwater, Rod Smith, TD, and John Elway.
Oh, I see it. But I think you are taking it a bit far...there are a lot of supporters of Trent Green. Also, it is a bit of a unique situation...the contract\negotiation\trade fiasco got a little ugly and that pissed some people off. I think the negative people always shout louder than supporters. Like I said message board culture. The names you listed above left Denver on non controversial terms Rod aside.

My main point is that the type of people that post on message boards (obviously not EVERYONE) and call in to sports talk shows etc. are not a very good barometer of a fan base.

A little bit like thinking Ann Coulter represented Republicans. Ya know what I am sayin?

[easymobee]

A little bit like thinking Ann Coulter represented Republicans. Ya know what I am sayin?

Agreed to a point.

At least you guys all know to wear red to the home games.

On a side note, im enjoying the Hard Knocks show and even though i used to loathe him, i find myself rooting for Priest Holmes to get back on the field.

I do find it funny that Chiefs fans used to hate "Diaper Boy" Johnson and love Holmes so much, just to do a complete flip flop in such short order.

Nachos ..... it was just some nachos.

[GreatBronco16]

Good. That is how every player SHOULD be. This is a business. They aren't here to take risks for us, or to be loyal to our respective teams, etc.

And that is exactly what is wrong with sports in this day and time. It is no longer a sport.

[ZachKC]

Agreed to a point.

At least you guys all know to wear red to the home games.

On a side note, im enjoying the Hard Knocks show and even though i loathe him, i find myself rooting for Priest Holmes to get back on the field.

The show has been so fun to watch. Aside from my Chiefs fandom...I think this is a very likeable team.

[ZachKC]

Good. That is how every player SHOULD be. This is a business. They aren't here to take risks for us, or to be loyal to our respective teams, etc. They are here for their best interest. They are here to get as much out of this gig as they can for as long as they can. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Priest being a mercenary. Good for Priest.

Eh, I don't blame him for it but I don't see how it is really a good thing for our sport.

[ZachKC]

Agreed to a point.

At least you guys all know to wear red to the home games.

On a side note, im enjoying the Hard Knocks show and even though i loathe him, i find myself rooting for Priest Holmes to get back on the field.

I do find it funny that Chiefs fans used to hate "Diaper Boy" Johnson and love Holmes so much, just to do a complete flip flop in such short order.

Nachos ..... it was just some nachos.

I don't really remember Chiefs fans hating Johnson...some thought he was a bust...

I think you are partaking in some selective memory here.

[SoCalBronco]

And that is exactly what is wrong with sports in this day and time. It is no longer a sport.

Why is it wrong? These players aren't slaves. It's just like anything else. It is a business. No one should say, "wow, that is an outrageous amount, thats more than I will ever make, that is more than enough for him, he should get his ass in there and play". It's not about "enough for him", its about what you can get. This is just like anything else, a business. They shouldnt be ridiculed for doing what is in their interest, that is the only thing they should consider, just as the teams are very coldhearted when they go about making decisions about players, its about efficiency on their end as well, which is good.

[Dendave]

My definition of a loyal fan base is group of people who fill their stadium up year in year out. IE Broncos/Green Bay etc. The Chief fans to do not belong in this same catergory.


As a Bronco fan first and foremost, but I live in Detroit and have Lion season tickets, look at other Detroit fans...we sell out the stadium every game, even when we were in the Silverdome...talk about loyal fans

[Meck77]

My main point is that the type of people that post on message boards (obviously not EVERYONE) and call in to sports talk shows etc. are not a very good barometer of a fan base.

A little bit like thinking Ann Coulter represented Republicans. Ya know what I am sayin?

I couldn't disagree more. Of the thousands of Broncos fans I've met while tailgating it's the messageboard members that are the true pulse of BroncosMania IMO. There are many great fans who go to the games on a weekly basis but I think it's easy for them to take that access for granted. It's the guy that lives a thousand miles a way that maybe goes to one game a year or who has never been to a game that is really passionate for the team so much as to spend ALL year dreaming for that camp report. That is a fan IMO.

Zach don't get me wrong I don't lump you into that fair weather fan category or even bandwagon bunch of 89. The reality is Arrowhead was a ghost town before then while Denver has been packing the house for several decades running.

Zach I'd like to make a cash bet with you that the Broncos end up with a better record than your chumps. What do you say? I really think you are in denial. Quite frankly I think you guys are going to suck.

I've asked you several times why you look for validation from us Broncos fans but I get it now. We are

[ZachKC]

I couldn't disagree more. Of the thousands of Broncos fans I've met while tailgating it's the messageboard members that are the true pulse of BroncosMania IMO. There are many great fans who go to the games on a weekly basis but I think it's easy for them to take that access for granted. It's the guy that lives a thousand miles a way that maybe goes to one game a year or who has never been to a game that is really passionate for the team so much as to spend ALL year dreaming for that camp report. That is a fan IMO.

Zach don't get me wrong I don't lump you into that fair weather fan category or even bandwagon bunch of 89. The reality is Arrowhead was a ghost town before then while Denver has been packing the house for several decades running.

Zach I'd like to make a cash bet with you that the Broncos end up with a better record than your chumps. What do you say? I really think you are in denial. Quite frankly I think you guys are going to suck.

I've asked you several times why you look for validation from us Broncos fans but I get it now. We are
Ha, I am a freelance photographer in a saturated market...I just do not have money to be betting on anything at this stage of my life. I can't predict the future but I believe you will have to play great football to beat this Chiefs team this coming year. As time has gone on these past few months I have found the offense won't be as good as I hoped but the defense will be better...maybe MUCH better than I first thought...thats the fun of sports. Time will tell.

Aside from that...

I do not doubt the many MANY great fans that come from places like OM and CP. But if you look around the people you are describing are getting less and less. These people are being replaced with the fan that wants a player to be cut every time they make a mistake, the team to sign every FA that is ever released, and the person that quite frankly doesn't know football and likes to hear themselves b**** and moan. I think these places lack perspective. Thats not a team thing its the nature of the medium. I think someone that comes out to things and meets people in person is a pretty good lithmus test....rarely are the internet tough guy chicken littles the types that will do anything not behind their keyboard.

The validation part seems a bit silly to me. I love talking football and mixing it up with people. All in good fun. Nothing more nothing left.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Priest and Trent have both done a bit of bridge-burning. It's not hard to see why some people have soured on them. I still respect them a great deal for what they did in their short time here.

[Florida_Bronco]

This team hasn't won a playoff game since 92 or 93...

That stadium is just as loud and interest is just as strong.

I don't know how that is bandwagon.

Yeah, but you've always been on the cusp of getting there. Since then, your team has pretty much been "close but no cigar" when it comes to the postseason. I'm talking about you guys being constant losers.

[ZachKC]

Yeah, but you've always been on the cusp of getting there. Since then, your team has pretty much been "close but no cigar" when it comes to the postseason. I'm talking about you guys being constant losers.

I am pretty proud to say I have no idea what would happen. Because it hasn't. :approve:

[crazyhorse]

Clinton Portis
Trevor Pryce

Huh?

[Bronx33]

Are we talking about the same kind of loyalty that bob shows for hostess products and crazyhorse for lubricants?

[Florida_Bronco]

I am pretty proud to say I have no idea what would happen. Because it hasn't. :approve:

Yet...lol

[crazyhorse]

I cant speak for all Chiefs fans, I can only say that I am a better fan than any of you.

Know what I mean?

[crazyhorse]

Are we talking about the same kind of loyalty that bob shows for hostess products and crazyhorse for lubricants?

I do like my lubricants

[Bronx33]

I do like my lubricants


But valvoline should never ever enter the bedroom crazy.

[easymobee]

Clinton Portis
Trevor Pryce

Huh?

You could run some searches here on Pryce and Portis and find less than 10% of the negative talk that could be found at the planet about Green and Holmes.

I don't know that there has been anything negative said about Pryce here after he left ( maybe by some of us that hate the Ravens? ), and other than a few threads where a Skins fan might have invaded with a Bailey/Portis debate ... i don't think that there is much anti-Portis talk here either.

Maybe the dogfighting comments?

In comparison, Skins fans are still living and dying with justifying that trade much (much) more than Bronco fans.

I think almost all Bronco fans still remember Pryce and Portis fondly.

[theAPAOps5]

I cant speak for all Chiefs fans, I can only say that I am a better fan than any of you.

Know what I mean?

Oh whatever, I doubt you are anything except someone who has to come to a rival board and stir the pot. Maybe you should be over on one of your boards acting like what you "claim" to be!!!! LOL

[crazyhorse]

But valvoline should never ever enter the bedroom crazy.


I'll take your word for it.

[crazyhorse]

You could run some searches here on Pryce and Portis and find less than 10% of the negative talk that could be found at the planet about Green and Holmes.

I don't know that there has been anything negative said about Pryce here after he left ( maybe by some of us that hate the Ravens? ), and other than a few threads where a Skins fan might have invaded with a Bailey/Portis debate ... i don't think that there is much anti-Portis talk here either.

Maybe the dogfighting comments?

In comparison, Skins fans are still living and dying with justifying that trade much (much) more than Bronco fans.

I think almost all Bronco fans still remember Pryce and Portis fondly.

No need to search. I've been here long enough to know how you guys turn on players.

[Bronx33]

I'll take your word for it.


I guess you need to borrow all the rational thought you can get. ;D

[easymobee]

Priest and Trent have both done a bit of bridge-burning. It's not hard to see why some people have soured on them. I still respect them a great deal for what they did in their short time here.


What kind of bridge burning?

Trent not wanting a huge paycut and the indignity of backing up Damon Huard and Napoleon Dynamite?

Priest getting seriously hurt and being spotted eating Nachos in a luxury box during the game? Or admitting that he has an interest in money?

Priest makes those money comments and Chiefs fans are totally disgusted with him. LJ is holding out for Tomlinson money and thats just dandy. At least Priest is at training camp trying to work for it.

BTW, I do think LJ is definitely underpaid and is also a little bit older than most people think ( Hes only gonna get one mega contract ), but i wasn't as offended as most fans in the KC area that Priest went on record as being interested in making some money.

I do wish LJ luck on his holdout. In fact, i hope its the longest one in NFL history.

[ZachKC]

Anytime Portis' name is brought up there are always comments...alot of them about how they are glad that clown isn't around anymore.

I really think you are being selective with your memory. Not intentionally but still.

[Bronx33]

No need to search. I've been here long enough to know how you guys turn on players.


Just admit quitterson couldn't hack it.

[ZachKC]

Priest is at training camp running around and talking.

[theAPAOps5]

Anytime Portis' name is brought up there are always comments...alot of them about how they are glad that clown isn't around anymore.

I really think you are being selective with your memory. Not intentionally but still.

Well no ****! Almost everyone is glad Portis is gone because we got Champ Bailey out of it. That is far from hating on Portis he was awesome but Champ was the better end out of that deal.

[easymobee]

No need to search. I've been here long enough to know how you guys turn on players.

Eddie Kennison doesn't count.

[ZachKC]

Just admit quitterson couldn't hack it.

Multiple 1k seasons later...

[ZachKC]

Well no ****! Almost everyone is glad Portis is gone because we got Champ Bailey out of it. That is far from hating on Portis he was awesome but Champ was the better end out of that deal.

No doubt, but my points is...there are a lot of posts that don't have to do with the angle you took above but a lot about how much of a bafoon Portis is and they don't miss him. In response to Easy.

[easymobee]

Well no ****! Almost everyone is glad Portis is gone because we got Champ Bailey out of it. That is far from hating on Portis he was awesome but Champ was the better end out of that deal.

I might have missed some threads, but i think Portis only took a hit from us with the dogfighting comments, when we would get an occasional skins fan riling some people up, and if i recall an article during his 1st preseason in DC that he made a few disparaging comments about Denver.

I know that the "Flava Clown" stuff has popped up here and there, but in all fairness he was doing interviews in Halloween costumes.

BTW, those skins fans don't really come around much anymore.

I personally only have fond memories of Portis in a Broncos uniform, and i would be willing to bet that if he would have never left if he had it all over to do again.

[Bronx33]

Clintons stupid remarks concerning vicks dogs was completely ignorant and lacked basic intelligence of an adult that used his time in college wisely and not spent cross dressing and shopping at goodwill, that much is fact. (Iam i glad he gone **** yes)

[Bronx33]

Multiple 1k seasons later...


0 superbowls 0 playoff wins (end of story)

[ZachKC]

Clintons stupid remarks concerning vicks dogs was completely ignorant and lacked basic intelligence of an adult that used his time in college wisely and not spent cross dressing and shopping at goodwill, that much is fact. (Iam i glad he gone **** yes)

Boom. Easy...there has been a lot of this type of post. I don't really disagree with it but hey...its out there...def happens.

[ZachKC]

0 superbowls 0 playoff wins (end of story)

How many Superbowls has Denver won in the time span since Kennison came on board?

Kennison has been a gamer in Kansas City. But you probably knew that. If you didn't you wouldn't have changed the subject.

[easymobee]

Multiple 1k seasons later...


That would have been completely non-existent without Trent Green under center.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That would have been completely non-existent without Trent Green under center.

What difference does that make?

Trent Green has been disparaged on this board hundreds of times in the last few years.

[crazyhorse]

Well no ****! Almost everyone is glad Portis is gone because we got Champ Bailey out of it. That is far from hating on Portis he was awesome but Champ was the better end out of that deal.


You are a very slippery individual. At 1st, I just thought you were stupid. Then I realized that you joined the board in 06. No wonder you sound like you're out of touch.

My 1st clue was the mounting inaccurate statements you were making. If you had been here as long as I have, you would know what I know.

Until then there is a risk you will come off as a dumbass who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I, in turn, will try to be patient with you.

[Bronx33]

Mention in a chiefs game program is all he gets from here out and superbowl winner will not be mentioned under all those meaningless stats.

[ZachKC]

That would have been completely non-existent without Trent Green under center.
True. QBs throw to WRs. Unless you are doing a lot of trick plays.

[crazyhorse]

0 superbowls 0 playoff wins (end of story)


KC wins the SB every year. Denver fans say so.

[ZachKC]

Mention in a chiefs game program is all he gets from here out and superbowl winner will not be mentioned under all those meaningless stats.
Seems to me a lot of times he is mentioned in the stat lines and is on the scoreboard. Responsible for catches, yards, first downs, points. That sorta thing. You can't print those in the program real time.

As for the Superbowl thing? That sounds like a good way to describe a lot of Denver players as well. I don't think the Denver players that have not won a Superbowl are meaningless. But thats just me.

[Bronx33]

Multiple 1k seasons later...

you mean 2 seasons. Hilarious!

[ZachKC]

you mean 2 seasons. Hilarious!

Yes. Multiple.

Are you retarded?

[Bronx33]

Seems to me a lot of times he is mentioned in the stat lines and is on the scoreboard. Responsible for catches, yards, first downs, points. That sorta thing. You can't print those in the program real time.

As for the Superbowl thing? That sounds like a good way to describe a lot of Denver players as well. I don't think the Denver players that have not won a Superbowl are meaningless. But thats just me.


Only iam describing eddie quitterson but that's just me.

[crazyhorse]

you mean 2 seasons. Hilarious!


EKs numbers are very J.Walker like. Maybe that's why he's never won a Superbowl either. But I doubt it.

Maybe "under .500" can get him there.

[Bronx33]

Yes. Multiple.

Are you retarded?

Hang your hat on that one hack 2 1k seasons and it got him exactly nothing but some respect from a kid that still watches cartoons 24 hrs a day.

[ZachKC]

Only iam describing eddie quitterson but that's just me.

And your description fits a lot of Denver players...nothing about it is unique to Kennison.

[easymobee]

What difference does that make?

Trent Green has been disparaged on this board hundreds of times in the last few years.


I'm not saying i like(d) Trint , Im just saying that he went from having a Len Dawson to a Steve Bono legacy awfully quick amongst Chief fans.

I ( i think i speak for many bronco-NFL fans ) think that EK is pretty a pretty ordinary WR and that Trent Green / Vermeil were mostly responsible for him having above average stats.

With a full season of Herm-ball and either Huard/Dynamite throwing the ball to him (even 4 or 5 years ago when he was younger) would have resulted in a lot of 40-45 catch - 700 yard seasons.

Obviously just my opinion.

[crazyhorse]

Yes. Multiple.

Are you retarded?

That's not a rhetorical question.......is it?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm not saying i like(d) Trint , Im just saying that he went from having a Len Dawson to a Steve Bono legacy awfully quick amongst Chief fans.

No Chiefs fan thinks of Trent that way.

[crazyhorse]

I'm not saying i like(d) Trint , Im just saying that he went from having a Len Dawson to a Steve Bono legacy awfully quick amongst Chief fans.

I ( i think i speak for many bronco-NFL fans ) think that EK is pretty a pretty ordinary WR and that Trent Green / Vermeil were mostly responsible for him having above average stats.

With a full season of Herm-ball and either Huard/Dynamite throwing the ball to him (even 4 or 5 years ago when he was younger) would have resulted in a lot of 40-45 catch - 700 yard seasons.

Obviously just my opinion.

I still like Green. As do most Chiefs fans I suspect.

[ZachKC]

I'm not saying i like(d) Trint , Im just saying that he went from having a Len Dawson to a Steve Bono legacy awfully quick amongst Chief fans.

I ( i think i speak for many bronco-NFL fans ) think that EK is pretty a pretty ordinary WR and that Trent Green / Vermeil were mostly responsible for him having above average stats.

With a full season of Herm-ball and either Huard/Dynamite throwing the ball to him (even 4 or 5 years ago when he was younger) would have resulted in a lot of 40-45 catch - 700 yard seasons.

Obviously just my opinion.
I keep hearing Trent wouldn't have been anything with that line. And now because of Trent Kennison would not have done anything?

Either that line was really good or it is a team game and all parts deserve praise when results come their way.

[theAPAOps5]

You are a very slippery individual. At 1st, I just thought you were stupid. Then I realized that you joined the board in 06. No wonder you sound like you're out of touch.

My 1st clue was the mounting inaccurate statements you were making. If you had been here as long as I have, you would know what I know.

Until then there is a risk you will come off as a dumbass who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I, in turn, will try to be patient with you.

My registration date hardly reflects my time. As for you saying I look like a dumbass, thats rich. You hardly ever come here and offer anything except, Bronco Fans suck, Cutler isn't .500, We got into the playoffs last year. Then you whine because you start about 5 threads all saying the same thing and get a short ban. Yeah I am the dumbass! Any person registering in the last month knows what you are.

[ZachKC]

Hang your hat on that one hack 2 1k seasons and it got him exactly nothing but some respect from a kid that still watches cartoons 24 hrs a day.

So in your eyes I go from Stephen Hawkings to a kid that watches cartoons 24\day? Thats a jump.

Ha! Ha!

[crazyhorse]

My registration date hardly reflects my time. As for you saying I look like a dumbass, thats rich. You hardly ever come here and offer anything except, Bronco Fans suck, Cutler isn't .500, We got into the playoffs last year. Then you whine because you start about 5 threads all saying the same thing and get a short ban. Yeah I am the dumbass! Any person registering in the last month knows what you are.

I am willing to conceed this point.

If you are saying that your inaccurate points reflect time spent paying attention, then you have merely insulted yourself. While I was willing to give you the benefit of assuming you were posturing. Have it your way.

[theAPAOps5]

Of all people that its okay to bash I for one think its Kennison for the mere fact he when he wasn't doing well here he quite. He has done well for himself over in KC, good for him but doesn't change the fact he quite on his team in Denver.

[theAPAOps5]

I am willing to conceed this point.

Even sarcasm is lost on you! ;D

Do you even post on a chiefs board, being the great fan you are?

[easymobee]

Where this thread has gone is what im talking about. Bronco fans can spew venom at some former players ( Kennison, Gardener, and Griese being 3 examples ), but those guys generally busted for us ( Or Quit on us, as the case may be ).

I just can't help but notice that Chiefs fans are more likely to hate on someone who is arguably their best-ever QB and another who is probably their best-ever RB.

The Portis thing is up for debate, but to be honest thats a guy that held out and wanted out after just a couple of good years with the organization. Most of us are generally happy with how that played out though.

[theAPAOps5]

I am willing to conceed this point.

If you are saying that your inaccurate points reflect time spent paying attention, then you have merely insulted yourself. While I was willing to give you the benefit of assuming you were posturing. Have it your way.

I am posturing for what? You say you are a better fan than any of us here on the site. I say you are wrong, you can't understand that?

[Bronx33]

So in your eyes I go from Stephen Hawkings to a kid that watches cartoons 24\day? Thats a jump.

Ha! Ha!

If you mean a kid that watches cartoons that drools and needs his a** wiped for him daily (then yes)

[ZachKC]

If you mean a kid that watches cartoons that drools and needs his a** wiped for him daily (then yes)

Wow. Brutal. ROFL!

[theAPAOps5]

If you mean a kid that watches cartoons that drools and needs his a** wiped for him daily (then yes)

Going to have to disagree with you Bronx. Hawkins is one of the smartest men on earth and has more many than he needs which has afforded him to live well past the expected life span of his disease. He has actually done well for himself.

[easymobee]

If you notice though, not Zach, Bob, or CH (who collectively own about 80k worth of posts at the planet) have said anything like "We don't talk bad about Green or Holmes at the Planet".

They got injured and then the general opinion there seemed to be "good riddance". We didn't do that to TD or to Rod Smith now did we?

Its just suprising to me, cause on TV they do look the part of good fans.

Bob himself led the angry mob to Trent Greens estate after about 2 subpar games when returning from that nasty hit by Geathers.

[ZachKC]

If you notice though, not Zach, Bob, or CH (who collectively own about 80k worth of posts at the planet) have said anything like "We don't talk bad about Green or Holmes at the Planet".
You won't find me talking bad about Green on CP. It happens some at CP...not as much IMO as you seem to potray but it happens. I also listed the reasons for why I think your characterization was a bit off base.

You threw out your opinion and we threw out ours. I didn't think this was a race to get you to change your mind or anything. It is what it is.

[ZachKC]

Going to have to disagree with you Bronx. Hawkins is one of the smartest men on earth and has more many than he needs which has afforded him to live well past the expected life span of his disease. He has actually done well for himself.
Bronx one time likened having conversations with me to talking to Stephen Hawkings. Because of all the logic I use.

People actually think I am joking when I say Bronx is the stupidest person on the board. I assure you I am not.

[crazyhorse]

If you notice though, not Zach, Bob, or CH (who collectively own about 80k worth of posts at the planet) have said anything like "We don't talk bad about Green or Holmes at the Planet".

They got injured and then the general opinion there seemed to be "good riddance". We didn't do that to TD or to Rod Smith now did we?

Its just suprising to me, cause on TV they do look the part of good fans.


I dont talk bad about Green or Holmes at the planet or any other board.

Happy?

[crazyhorse]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=31451&highlight=Clinton+portis

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=31451&highlight=Clinton+portis

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=30713&highlight=Clinton+portis

Donko fans....I love you retards.

[crazyhorse]

I am posturing for what? You say you are a better fan than any of us here on the site. I say you are wrong, you can't understand that?

Oh, I was thinking you were saying that you dont turn on your own players as fast or faster than any other fans in the league.

As for my fandom, you'll get there.






Maybe.

[crazyhorse]

Even sarcasm is lost on you! ;D

Do you even post on a chiefs board, being the great fan you are?

Yes.

[theAPAOps5]

Ah so we were arguing differnet ideal, gotta love the internet!

[sirhcyennek81]

Chiefs turned pretty vicious when Neil Smith became a Bronco. Said he was washed up and not worth the money...only went to the Probowl and back to back superbowls...


:Broncos:

[crazyhorse]

I guess post #90 pretty much shut you fellas up....eh?

[easymobee]

I guess post #90 pretty much shut you fellas up....eh?

Did you read through the threads or just the titles?

Plenty of posters made clear that they liked both Portis and Champ.

2 of those thread links are to the same thread.

One of them was started by a almost certainly fictional "Redskins/Broncos" fan and was a thread intended to bait. He had 4 posts total and started out with calling Champ "Overrated", which no real bronco fans ever do.

Portis is different anyway, because he held out for more money (like LJ) and after he was traded took a few parting shots at Denver fans and the city. 2 guys were traded in the primes of their careers with that deal, so you are obviously gonna have Skins fans here baiting and vice versa. That kind of trade becomes a competition between fanbases.

T. Green basically held his tongue even though his trade got delayed forever and Priest never left.

Neither one of them has badmouthed KC fans or the city, unless i've missed something.


The Trent trade has been summed up as "he'll get to the playing time minimums and they'll still suck enough to turn it into a decent 4th rounder"


If we were at the planet right now and i wanted to make a thread with examples for the Priest/Trent hate, i could have 20 thread links posted.

I could probably have 3 or 4 "Nachos" threads linked up.


Anything on Trevor Pryce?

[crazyhorse]

Did you read through the threads or just the titles?

Plenty of posters made clear that they liked both Portis and Champ.

2 of those thread links are to the same thread.

One of them was started by a "Redskins/Broncos" fan and was a thread intended to bait.

Portis is different anyway, because he held out for more money (like LJ) and after he was traded took a few parting shots at Denver fans and the city. 2 guys were traded in the primes of their careers with that deal, so you are obviously gonna have Skins fans here baiting and vice versa. That kind of trade becomes a competition between fanbases.

T. Green basically held his tongue even though his trade got delayed forever and Priest never left.

Neither one of them has badmouthed KC fans or the city, unless i've missed something.


The Trent trade has been summed up as "he'll get to the playing time minimums and they'll still suck enough to turn it into a decent 4th rounder"


If we were at the planet right now and i wanted to make a thread with examples for the Priest/Trent hate, i could have 20 thread links posted.

I could probably have 3 or 4 "Nachos" threads linked up.


Anything on Trevor Pryce?

Those were the 1st 2 of many that popped up on the search. As you stated many didn't hate on Portis.

But most did.

Thanks for playing.

[crazyhorse]

Anything on Trevor Pryce?

Big Money? Naw, you guys prolly never said anything bad about him. Hilarious!

[Phobia]

Most of the accusations being thrown at Chiefs fans in this thread are probably true...

of ANY fanbase, save the Packers.

Put up a couple 3 win season in a row and see how quickly your season ticket holder list dwindles. It's not necessarily an epidemic owned by Chiefs fans, but by American society in general. The only reason Green Bay fans are an exception is because there really is not much do do up in that neck of the woods. In fact, you could remove every single deer from Wisconsin and you'd still have guys putting on their orange and heading out to look for 'em.

[sirhcyennek81]

Pryce was supposed to be the backbone and focal point of the Broncos defensive line, and he couldnt do it. His attitude for football was not right, if you need to motivate a 30+ year old to play a game, then its a reflection of the player, and not the team. He played when he wanted to, which was usually against KC. I am happy for Trevor in Baltimore, good luck buddy.

:Broncos:

[theAPAOps5]

Most of the accusations being thrown at Chiefs fans in this thread are probably true...

of ANY fanbase, save the Packers.

Put up a couple 3 win season in a row and see how quickly your season ticket holder list dwindles. It's not necessarily an epidemic owned by Chiefs fans, but by American society in general. The only reason Green Bay fans are an exception is because there really is not much do do up in that neck of the woods. In fact, you could remove every single deer from Wisconsin and you'd still have guys putting on their orange and heading out to look for 'em.

I disagree at least on season ticket sales. Both Denver and KC won't miss a beat selling those out even with subpar seasons. They have built too much of a fan base. Now the Chargers who have such a diverse community around them and other cities that might be the fact.

[sixtimeseight]

Multiple 1k seasons later...

In the land of horrible receivers, the mediocre receiver is king...

[penguintheory]

2. TRENT GREEN

KC's best QB since Len Dawson ( I don't count Joe Montana in this argument, and his short stint there, but many Chiefs fans do ).

He gets that concussion and it took most Chiefs fans 2 or 3 weeks after his return to deem him ready for a permanent benching in favor of Damon Huard of all people.

The offseason hits and their fans cant wait to hear that he has been unloaded for a 4th or 5th round pick. He finally goes and not one tear is shed. This one is even worse because there is no LJ waiting in the wings at QB, just Croyle and Huard.


Smacks of Plummer