Chiefs and LJ close to a deal

[cutthemdown]

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Based on contact talks in recent days, the Kansas City Chiefs and running back Larry Johnson are bridging their differences and getting closer to a long-term contract extension.

The two sides have engaged in serious contract talks in recent days, making considerable progress as recently as Saturday, and further talks will take place in the coming days aimed at ending Johnson's holdout.


I don't get what you gain by waiting as long as the Chiefs have but at least it looks like they will be getting it done. Doesn't matter the way Croyle and that oline look. I doubt Mcintosh would be much better so I won't even say they really need him back.

[DukeWoody]

If LJ folds because some of the stupid verbal shots that have been sent his way by CP or Priest are gettin to him, then he is more gullible than i thought and deserves to be taken advantage of and used like a rented jackass...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He's coming for you, Bronco fans. Soon the day of reckoning will be upon ye.

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[ZachKC]

If LJ folds because some of the stupid verbal shots that have been sent his way by CP or Priest are gettin to him, then he is more gullible than i thought and deserves to be taken advantage of and used like a rented jackass...

Everyone knew this deal was going to get done even before Priest's song and dance.

[Jesterhole]

I wasn't LJ, it was the line. Now that line is gone. Cheaps are in a rebuilding year to see if Croyle is the future.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I wasn't LJ, it was the line. Now that line is gone.

Are you talking about last year's offensive line?

[ZachKC]

I wasn't LJ, it was the line. Now that line is gone. Cheaps are in a rebuilding year to see if Croyle is the future.
I heard that song and dance when Roaf left.

Do you realize how much yardage LJ gets after contact? I am sure that was the line as well. Lets not forget that this line has pass protection problems...not run blocking problems.

Great take though.

[rovolution]

good. he will eat their salary cap and i am guessing by the fourth game this season, his career will come to an end.

hes not Dickerson.

[boltaneer]

So KC finally upped their offer like they should have months ago?

Way to go, Carl!

[Killericon]

a long-term contract extension

Good.

[cutthemdown]

Are you talking about last year's offensive line?

Who cares about last years line, this years line is even worst. The Chef tackles friggin stink and Wellbourn is about as avg as a lineman can get.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Who cares about last years line, this years line is even worst. The Chef tackles friggin stink and Wellbourn is about as avg as a lineman can get.

You do realize that Jordan Black might've been the worst left tackle in the entire league last year, right? Replacing him with a guy that only gave up 5.5 sacks is a definite upgrade.

There's no way our line is worse than it was last year.

[yerner]

Is there anyway we can ban all chiefs talk?? I'm so sick of reading this crap. And no, I can't just not read it. I attempt to read every inane thread on this time-sucking life-consuming horrorfest that is the Omane.

But seriously, I would like to propose all chief talk banned unless its the week we play those bbq-ing crotchstain clowns.

[Broncos_OTM]

i forgot what his name is but #90 ate your line up tonight.

[cutthemdown]

You do realize that Jordan Black might've been the worst left tackle in the entire league last year, right? Replacing him with a guy that only gave up 5.5 sacks is a definite upgrade.

There's no way our line is worse than it was last year.

you mean that guy who just got his knee cut into? Ya I'm sure he's going to be a huge help this year.

[ZachKC]

Is there anyway we can ban all chiefs talk?? I'm so sick of reading this crap. And no, I can't just not read it. I attempt to read every inane thread on this time sucking life consuming horrorfest that is the mane.

But seriously, I would like to propose all chief talk banned unless its the week we play those bbq-ing crotchstain clowns.
Resistance is futile.

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[yerner]

great. now we have pictures.

[yerner]

damn. that dude got owned.

[cutthemdown]

You do realize that Jordan Black might've been the worst left tackle in the entire league last year, right? Replacing him with a guy that only gave up 5.5 sacks is a definite upgrade.

There's no way our line is worse than it was last year.

Also even if Mcintosh got healthy and played better then Black did the loss of Shields would counter that big time. Welbourne just isn't even half the player Sheilds was. By the way Terry doesn't look very good either.

[Pat Bowlen]

he ... deserves to be taken advantage of and used like a rented jackass...
Did you watch football last season?

[DukeWoody]

Did you watch football last season?

No..I'm just starting up virgin fresh for the first time this year...I hope KC makes LJ earn every penny of his new contract because from what i herd he had it easy last year and basically road the pine and collected his pay doing next to nothing...

[cambrad8085]

He's coming for you, Bronco fans. Soon the day of reckoning will be upon ye.

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I'm glad I'm not a fan of a team that employs jerks.

[Vladimir]

I'm glad I'm not a fan of a team that employs jerks.



same here.

I'm not real concerned about LJ, it's LT that gets me.

[Bronx33]

I guess the new deal will include titanium replacement knees (sweet huh!)

[fdf]

If LJ folds because some of the stupid verbal shots that have been sent his way by CP or Priest are gettin to him, then he is more gullible than i thought and deserves to be taken advantage of and used like a rented jackass...

He's folding because training camp is over.

[Florida_Bronco]

They aren't that close, they're just making progress. There is still alot left to be worked out and unless one side completely caves, there won't be a deal done for awhile, if it even gets done at all.

[TheDave]

It's better for us if he doesn't play... but i'm still not that concerned about the chefs.

[Orange_Beard]

Get him into camp, so they can finish riding him into the ground.

[Florida_Bronco]

It's better for us if he doesn't play... but i'm still not that concerned about the chefs.

It's not gonna matter either way, LJ can't beat us by himself. We'll just stick 8 or 9 in the box and sit back and watch as Croyle single handedly ensures Champ and Dre' get to the Pro Bowl.

[DeuceOfClub]

They are now only $42,000,000.00 apart.

Stay tuned for more developments.

[400HZ]

They aren't that close, they're just making progress. There is still alot left to be worked out and unless one side completely caves, there won't be a deal done for awhile, if it even gets done at all.

That's what John Clayton just said on ESPN. There was progress with the Chefs moving up slightly from their retarded low-ball offer, but they still aren't even remotely close to a finished contract. He estimated week 4 of the preseason as the soonest that a deal could possibly get done.

[TheDave]

It's not gonna matter either way, LJ can't beat us by himself. We'll just stick 8 or 9 in the box and sit back and watch as Croyle single handedly ensures Champ and Dre' get to the Pro Bowl.

I completely agree... JMO but the chefs are nothing more than a rebuilding club this year. Watching "hard nocks" told me everything I needed to know about them. They are in a youth movement, and need to replace to many parts to be serious contendors.

SD is our problem this season... A big problem at that.

[chickennob2]

I normally hate holdouts, but this one I agree with. No matter who he played for. The way the Cheifs are using him, he has one, at most 2 seasons left. He deserves to get his money now, before they run him into the ground.

[DivineLegion]

I heard that song and dance when Roaf left.

Do you realize how much yardage LJ gets after contact? I am sure that was the line as well. Lets not forget that this line has pass protection problems...not run blocking problems.

Great take though.

When your blockers get to the second level before you, you get alot of yards after contact, because your taking on DBs.

[Los Broncos]

LJ is coming for us?

I'm shaking so bad that my hands are numb

[Boltergeist]

Personally, as a rival AFCW fan, I hope this is true and the Chiefs sign him soon for every dime of what he wants. Further, I hope Herm gives him the rock another 400 times this year. The Chiefs are taking a gamble with a guy who is getting an unprecedented workload, has a bad attitude and will get Croyle killed with his pass blocking.

Further, while the Chiefs line was a piss poor pass blocking unit last year, they were still tough run blockers and had two pro-bowl guards and a borderline pro-bowl center. Black for all of his failings as a pass blocker, was a decent-good drive run blocker.

My favorite line about LJ came from Bill Simmons last year after watching HBO's inside the NFL segment on him:


CARDS (+3) over Chiefs
You probably stopped taping "Inside the NFL" because they don't run highlights for every game and it's so frustrating to watch Collinsworth moderate a debate with Carter and Marino when he knows more about the 2006 teams than both of them combined. And that's fine. But check out this week's show just for the bizarre Larry Johnson segment -- he's more emotionally fragile than a pregnant 14-year-old. The KC coaches spend the entire game alternately hugging him and consoling him. It's crazy. After the Chiefs won the game, I thought Herm Edwards was going to reward him with cotton candy and a new Transformer. You have to see it. I can't take the Chiefs for at least one week after seeing that.

Show him the money Carl.

[sixtimeseight]

Man, this is great. It's a win-win for the Broncos; if he gets his huge contract, KC will be ****ed for years to come, especially since he'll probably break down around carry 200 next year. If he holds out, the Chiefs drop from a 6 win team to about a 3 win team. Hard knocks, indeed.

[Hotrod]

CP was interviewed during the chefs game and said they were nowhere near a new deal.

[That One Guy]

They just talked to Peterson on Sirius and he said he's "cautiously optimistic" that a deal will get done before the season. I don't remember if it was him or the host afterward but they were basically talking like once the game checks aren't coming, the player will give in. Peterson definitely didn't sound as sure that a deal would get done as Schefter was the other night when he was reporting it.

[KCStud]

Man, this is great. It's a win-win for the Broncos; if he gets his huge contract, KC will be ****ed for years to come, especially since he'll probably break down around carry 200 next year. If he holds out, the Chiefs drop from a 6 win team to about a 3 win team. Hard knocks, indeed.

Ya I'm sure signing the second best RB in the NFL to a 5 year contract is gonna hurt the Chiefs. I would give LJ around $22 million deal. Fair for both sides. LJ will be a top 10 RB for the next 4 years at least. RB's usually die down around the age of 33-34. Campbell took a big load every year and he didn't die down until he was 32.
The only reason LJ had so many carries last year was because Michael Bennett was hurt so LJ was the ONLY RB we really had.
Now we have 3 RB's and LJ will not get anywhere near as many carries as last year. The coach even said it himself.

And I hope the people preaching "LJ will break down this year" will be here in late December to get their crow

[Beantown Bronco]

Campbell took a big load every year and he didn't die down until he was 32.

WRONG. He retired at age 30. His career lasted only 8 years because of the pounding he took. And 3 out of the last 4 seasons he played were not very good and marred by injuries: 157 for just over 500 yards, 146 attempts for around 450 yards and 158 attempts for just over 600 yards.....starting when he was 26. His last good season was at age 28.

[WakeUpCall]

Is there anyway we can ban all chiefs talk?? I'm so sick of reading this crap. And no, I can't just not read it. I attempt to read every inane thread on this time-sucking life-consuming horrorfest that is the Omane.

But seriously, I would like to propose all chief talk banned unless its the week we play those bbq-ing crotchstain clowns.

No! If there isn't any Chiefs talk, there's no point to having a board!!!!

tsk tsk

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And I hope the people preaching "LJ will break down this year" will be here in late December to get their crow

They won't be. At the end of this season they'll be talking about how LJ can't POSSIBLY last another year and he'll break down in 2008.

[sixtimeseight]

Well, considering he's probably going to only play the last 6 games of the season, he probably won't break down until 2008. Likely won't be playing for the Chiefs though.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

SWEET!!

Chiefs close to deal with Larry Johnson



By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star


RIVER FALLS, Wis. | The Chiefs and Larry Johnson were closing in on agreement on a contract extension that could put him back in a Chiefs uniform in time for their third preseason game on Aug. 23 against New Orleans at Arrowhead Stadium.

Multiple sources told The Star today the sides had narrowed their once-considerable differences and a deal could be struck sometime this week.

One source indicated Johnson might be at Arrowhead Stadium for Thursday night’s game against Miami. :yayaya:

[cutthemdown]

SWEET!!

Chiefs close to deal with Larry Johnson



By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star


RIVER FALLS, Wis. | The Chiefs and Larry Johnson were closing in on agreement on a contract extension that could put him back in a Chiefs uniform in time for their third preseason game on Aug. 23 against New Orleans at Arrowhead Stadium.

Multiple sources told The Star today the sides had narrowed their once-considerable differences and a deal could be struck sometime this week.

One source indicated Johnson might be at Arrowhead Stadium for Thursday night’s game against Miami. :yayaya:


This post had already showed the information that LJ and Chefs were closing in on a deal. Just like chefs your a dollar short and a day late.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

True, but this was another report. The possiblity of LJ playing this Thursday makes me giddy as a schoolgirl.

[KCStud]

WRONG. He retired at age 30. His career lasted only 8 years because of the pounding he took. And 3 out of the last 4 seasons he played were not very good and marred by injuries: 157 for just over 500 yards, 146 attempts for around 450 yards and 158 attempts for just over 600 yards.....starting when he was 26. His last good season was at age 28.

8 years of pounding. Now please tell me how LJ is going to break down THIS SEASON when he has only played 1 and a half seasons? Dude's only played like 26 games taking a good amount of carries. His career didn't really start until the the SD game in 2005

[DeuceOfClub]

...

LJ isn't going to hold out. I guarantee it. If LJ holds out I'll leave the Mane forever.

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[Beantown Bronco]

Bob....read your own post again. It says nothing about him actually playing Thursday....just a slight chance that he will "attend" the game. There is no way they throw him out there if he doesn't show up and hit the practice field for at least a few days. They need to see what kind of shape he's in first.

[brncs_fan]

Kind of like womens underwear and twinkies make you giddy?

[Beantown Bronco]

8 years of pounding. Now please tell me how LJ is going to break down THIS SEASON when he has only played 1 and a half seasons? Dude's only played like 26 games taking a good amount of carries. His career didn't really start until the the SD game in 2005

Man, you are dense. All I was doing was proving you wrong about Campbell....not saying anything about LJ, but here you go:

Campbell took 5 years of pounding, not 8 (3 of those years he hardly carried the ball).

LJ has only played 1 and a half seasons? I'd call it more like 2+ seasons of full-time football (even in the games he didn't start, he had a significant amount of carries and receptions) in which he has carried the ball and caught the ball far more than any two year period in Earl Campbell's career. That's a lot of hits. I'm not saying that he'll break down this year, but if he keeps that pace up for one more season, then his days would be clearly numbered. He will be older and have more mileage after those 3 and a half seaons than Campbell did after 5. The odds just aren't in his favor at that point (they aren't now).

[Beantown Bronco]

His career didn't really start until the the SD game in 2005

Yeah....if you ignore the over 200 carries and 30 some odd receptions he had PRIOR to that game. Basically a seasons worth of work for an average starting RB.

[boltaneer]

Heh heh. This whole issue is irrrelevant.

LJ or no LJ, the Chiefs aren't going anywhere with Brodie Croyle under center.

[rovolution]

Heh heh. This whole issue is irrrelevant.

LJ or no LJ, the Chiefs aren't going anywhere with Brodie Croyle under center.

QFT

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Heh heh. This whole issue is irrrelevant.

LJ or no LJ, the Chiefs aren't going anywhere with Brodie Croyle under center.

What makes you say that? Just one year ago your own team experienced a 14-2 season with a young quarterback. You know better. It's not like Croyle lacks talent or poise.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

ESPN just reported that the Chiefs are up to $19 million guaranteed.

LJ's camp wants $23 million.

[theAPAOps5]

Croyle couldn't hold Rivers jock, literally!

[Florida_Bronco]

LJ will be a top 10 RB for the next 4 years at least. If Larry is a starter in 4 years I'll be surprised. He's already at the end of his physical prime and his been worked over like a $5 hooker.

RB's usually die down around the age of 33-34. 32-34 is usually when they are retiring. The average running back starts to decline at 29-30, especially power backs.

Campbell took a big load every year and he didn't die down until he was 32. You already got exposed as a fool on this one.

The only reason LJ had so many carries last year was because Michael Bennett was hurt so LJ was the ONLY RB we really had.
Now we have 3 RB's and LJ will not get anywhere near as many carries as last year. The coach even said it himself. And what do you have now? Oft-injured Bennett, again. Priest, who god only knows what he can do anymore, and a rookie?

And I hope the people preaching "LJ will break down this year" will be here in late December to get their crow Are you gonna be here to eat your crow if we are proven right? I'd say the odds are against, given the history of RBs who carry such a high workload and the fact that LJ's production took substantial drop in 2006.

[boltaneer]

What makes you say that? Just one year ago your own team experienced a 14-2 season with a young quarterback. You know better. It's not like Croyle lacks talent or poise.

I was never that impressed with him in college or what little he's done in the NFL so far. I'm not saying he can't be good. I just wouldn't bet on it, especially with a horrible o-line, no stud running back, no receivers outside of an aging Gonzalez.

It's not about being just an inexperienced quarterback. If the guy was such a can't miss prospect, he wouldn't have fallen to the third round. And no, injuries cannot excuse that completely.

As for the Chiefs, it's about time they upped their slap-in-the-face offer to LJ. What a mess they've made this off season with Trent Green and then this (and Roaf the season before). Haven't they learned just to do things right from the beginning?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

If the guy was such a can't miss prospect, he wouldn't have fallen to the third round. And no, injuries cannot excuse that completely.


That's exactly what it is, sorry. The guy has all the tools.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And what do you have now? Oft-injured Bennett, again. Priest, who god only knows what he can do anymore, and a rookie?


There's no question our RB depth is much better than it was a year ago. Even without Priest.

I think Bennett can stay healthy this year. Last year he wasn't hurt on the field, but during a stupid training camp race in which he pulled his hamstring. Rookie Kolby Smith has looked REALLY good in training camp and there's no question he can be a solid #3 tailback. If one of those guys gets injured rookie Marcus O'Keith hasn't looked half bad either.

[Atlas]

I was never that impressed with him in college or what little he's done in the NFL so far. I'm not saying he can't be good. I just wouldn't bet on it, especially with a horrible o-line, no stud running back, no receivers outside of an aging Gonzalez.

It's not about being just an inexperienced quarterback. If the guy was such a can't miss prospect, he wouldn't have fallen to the third round. And no, injuries cannot excuse that completely.

As for the Chiefs, it's about time they upped their slap-in-the-face offer to LJ. What a mess they've made this off season with Trent Green and then this (and Roaf the season before). Haven't they learned just to do things right from the beginning?

I love Croyle...or I did before the Chiefs grabbed him. LJ is a stud they need to lock him up to no more than a 4 year deal and they will get their moneys worth.

[That One Guy]

Dang, if every squad on the Chefs continues to get better every single year like Bob says they always do, it's just a matter of time before they win every Superbowl to ever be played again...

[crazyhorse]

Different season....same tune. Last year Donk fans were telling us how we wouldn't win 6 games. That was before we went to the playoffs. Then they talked about how we backed in, but failed to mention why they backed out (Cutler).

Now this season I see you've added a Bolt fan. That's right, a bolt fan. We whipped Rivers ass. How soon you forget.

In any event, while the Bolt fan tries to facilitate a way to save face when his team drops back to the bottom of the West, I will just say that I enjoyed watching my team beat your asses last season and will likely watch them do the same this season.

Every year the rivals predict how poor the Chiefs will do, how sad the owner is, how poor the GM is, how poor the coaching is, and how lousy the Chiefs players are.

I'm compelled to ask though, why do you struggle to beat these teams? Further, what does that say about your team?

[boltaneer]

Different season....same tune. Last year Donk fans were telling us how we wouldn't win 6 games. That was before we went to the playoffs. Then they talked about how we backed in, but failed to mention why they backed out (Cutler).

Now this season I see you've added a Bolt fan. That's right, a bolt fan. We whipped Rivers ass. How soon you forget.

In any event, while the Bolt fan tries to facilitate a way to save face when his team drops back to the bottom of the West, I will just say that I enjoyed watching my team beat your asses last season and will likely watch them do the same this season.

I don't even know where to start with this.

What did any Charger fan say that gives you the impression that we're "saving face".

And where was this supposed ass kicking last year? The one where you beat us with a 53 yard field goal in the final seconds of the game?

Every year the rivals predict how poor the Chiefs will do, how sad the owner is, how poor the GM is, how poor the coaching is, and how lousy the Chiefs players are.

I'm compelled to ask though, why do you struggle to beat these teams? Further, what does that say about your team?

I've said numerous times that the Chiefs will always be a tough opponent as long as they have their great home field advantage.

We all know for the most part you throw out the records when it comes down to division games. The teams know each other so well. It's going to be competitive. Remember, all three AFC West teams had tough games with the Raiders at some point last year.

[azbroncfan]

I was never that impressed with him in college or what little he's done in the NFL so far. I'm not saying he can't be good. I just wouldn't bet on it, especially with a horrible o-line, no stud running back, no receivers outside of an aging Gonzalez.

It's not about being just an inexperienced quarterback. If the guy was such a can't miss prospect, he wouldn't have fallen to the third round. And no, injuries cannot excuse that completely.

As for the Chiefs, it's about time they upped their slap-in-the-face offer to LJ. What a mess they've made this off season with Trent Green and then this (and Roaf the season before). Haven't they learned just to do things right from the beginning?

Notice Bob doesn't use the McIntoshNEXTRoaf comments to SD fans.