Bills fans talking smack !

[ICON]

http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=67379

[Florida_Bronco]

Might as well do it now, because once the game begins it's gonna be all downhill for them.

[BroncoBuff]

Might as well do it now, because once the game begins it's gonna be all downhill for them.
Yup ... all he's got is pre-game. Might as well start as soon as he can.

[Beej]

Way to go, footsteps! You owned those bills fans! Be sure to go back and make them eat crow after the game!

[Hotrod]

Get'em Footsteps ^5

Ha! that one clown yelling "your not the pats" "do you think your the pats" Someone should really point out we own the pats Hilarious!

[skpac1001]

Wow. They are insane. Its funny they rip on other teams using the patriots as a comparison instead of themselves.

[skpac1001]

Get'em Footsteps ^5

Ha! that one clown yelling "your not the pats" "do you think your the pats" Someone should really point out we own the pats Hilarious!

No kidding. Plus, the Pats get two play 2 games against the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins. Talk about a weak schedual.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Yeah, I've been over there trying to get some kind of legitimate dialogue going, mainly because I wanted to get a feel from the fans for what kind of team they're going to field...not much luck. The knowledge base is very shallow. One guy posted a decent analysis but the rest consist mostly of really stupid comments. Here's one of the dumbest things I've read..and check out the title of this thread...pretty sorry:
http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=67024&st=60
[quote name='Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog' date='Jul 28 2007, 03:50 PM' post='1047764']
Maybe Jay's just not a winner. Maybe all he knows how to do is lose. Just when the Broncos needed a win, he failed them against the 49ers, an average team. Yeah, he had a decent game but he couldn't win it. And never won in college. I actually like Cutler, and think he will be better than Leinart easily, and Young overall. But there is a decent chance he just doesn't have it in him to win games when you really need him. I don't see anything Cutler does better than Losman with the possible exception of short pass accuracy from the pocket. Losman easily has as strong an arm and is more accurate deep. He runs a little better, he escapes better, he throws on the run harder and more accurate than any QB I have seen in a long while. He's already an extremely good ballhandler as far as play-fakes and handoffs (an underestimated talent). He's tough, a hard worker, good leader and great guy. Cutler, while granted a rookie, throws a lot of dumb passes off his back foot, tosses the ball up for grabs a little too much for my liking, and holds onto the ball a little long (although most of this could well be inexperience). He was a little more polished than Losman coming out of college but Losman is simply a better player right now and I think they will both get better. I would just rather have JP.
It's mostly a hodge podge of straw man arguments and word-twisting in an attempt to divert attention from logical arguments towards making opposing fans look stupid...this "High Motor" guy put in a decent effort...really the only one so far:
http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=67024&st=220<!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_1047764-->

[philiptr2]

What an awesome thread...great trash talking for non-divisional opponents...its clear that they have no idea who the broncos are.

[footstepsfrom#27]

What an awesome thread...great trash talking for non-divisional opponents...its clear that they have no idea who the broncos are.
Well it helps if there's at least a modicum of common sense to work with...but how do you counter stupidity like this?
(footstepsfrom#27 @ Aug 9 2007, 01:14 AM)
Rod is THE BEST blocking WR of this era PERIOD.


I dunno about that. I'd take T.O. blocking over Rod Smith.
LOL...see what I mean?

[Hotrod]

Holy crap Ha!

[Popcorn Sutton]

You're predictions are a bit homer. We had 40 some receptions by tight ends last year and you expect that to go up to a 100? Not 60 or 70 but 100 receptions? That would be something. I also don't see us averaging 30 passes a game. Just my humble opinion.

BTW, the Rod Smith TO thing... What a joke?

[Garcia Bronco]

Buffalo has played well in it's season openers if I recall recent history. It might be the only game they win the first half of the season...but hey...Bruce Almighty was filmed there.

[Broncosfreak_56]

Eh, I dont know whether to laugh at their stupidity or feel sorry for their ignorance.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You're predictions are a bit homer. We had 40 some receptions by tight ends last year and you expect that to go up to a 100? Not 60 or 70 but 100 receptions? That would be something. I also don't see us averaging 30 passes a game. Just my humble opinion.

BTW, the Rod Smith TO thing... What a joke?
Last year was an aberation for our TE production. In 2000 and 2001 we had 99 and 103 catches by TE's nowhere near as talented as the ones we have now and a QB with an arm not in the same stratosphere as Cutler's. Tight end production actually DECLINED when Sharpe got back because teams focused so heavily on him they tried to take him away. If Denver keeps Scheffler on the field with Graham in a high percentage of 2 TE formations, yes...they will reach or approach 100 catches. I expect Graham to get 40 and Scheffler at least 50...add in a few random catches for the Alexander/Jackson duo and you're there.

Averaging 30 passes a game is no big deal. Griese was over that number. You're just used to seeing Jake on a leash...time to embrace the Cutler era!

[RaiderH8r]

"Living in the Elway era..."

That's funny. Can someone remind me how the Jim Kelly era wrapped up for Bills fans?

Bills home opener? Are you shatting me? McGahee didn't want to be there, Clements didn't want to be there, Losman doesn't want to be there, hell the team would rather have their home opener in Toronto. The only people that want the Bills in Buffalo are the fans who don't have the means themselves to get out. If they did, the fans wouldn't want to be in Buffalo.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Buffalo has played well in it's season openers if I recall recent history. It might be the only game they win the first half of the season...but hey...Bruce Almighty was filmed there.
Buffalo is 2-7 in opening games since Jim Kelly retired.

*Edit- Buffalo coach Dick Jauron is 2-4 in opening games.

[Jana®]

Lol!

[400HZ]

Game week smack is the best.

[maher_tyler]

What an awesome thread...great trash talking for non-divisional opponents...its clear that they have no idea who the broncos are.

Very clear they have no clue who we are and what kinda of team were gonna put on the field, i hope the Bills feel the same way cause i don't think it will be close..i doubt they get more than 10 points..i'll go with 27-10 broncos win..i love how the guy is compairing Cutler and Losman..i don't know whether to cry laughing or shake my head at the pure stupidity!!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Very clear they have no clue !

Perfect description of a Buffalo fan. I think their brains freeze around September first each year.

[Florida_Bronco]

Weren't they saying these same things back in 2005? How'd that work out for them?

[Popcorn Sutton]

Last year was an aberation for our TE production. In 2000 and 2001 we had 99 and 103 catches by TE's nowhere near as talented as the ones we have now and a QB with an arm not in the same stratosphere as Cutler's. Tight end production actually DECLINED when Sharpe got back because teams focused so heavily on him they tried to take him away. If Denver keeps Scheffler on the field with Graham in a high percentage of 2 TE formations, yes...they will reach or approach 100 catches. I expect Graham to get 40 and Scheffler at least 50...add in a few random catches for the Alexander/Jackson duo and you're there.

Averaging 30 passes a game is no big deal. Griese was over that number. You're just used to seeing Jake on a leash...time to embrace the Cutler era!

Second look, we averaged 28.4 last year with Plummer/Cutler combined. I still see about 60-80 receptions to the tight ends.

[sirhcyennek81]

Bills cut half their defense in an effort to go younger and overpaid a young DE to keep him from running in FA, they traded their best RB. You have to wonder if Losman will read the field better than DJ Williams will, or if Lee Evans will outplay champ Bailey. Answer to both is no.


:Broncos:

[Broncoman13]

Ya know, it wasn't that long ago (fresh in my mind!) that I went in and talked shiat to the Dolphins fans. We were going to crush them as I remember. The last thing I remember from that game was Jason Taylor picking up an 80 yard (or so) TD!

Same thing with the Steelers in the AFCCG. I've learned my lesson. While I believe the Broncos will go in and tear the Bills apart, I also know the NFL. The good news is, if we happen to lose the first game of the season we'll probably do well from that point forward. Sometimes a team needs to be put in check and really earn that "swagger". Beating a lame Bills team in the opener doesn't qualify as earning any swagger!

[theAPAOps5]

this game scares me. East Coast openers and 11am are not very friendly to shannahan lately. That said I am confident about winning but there is slight trepidation.

[TheReverend]

I'm too lazy to register footsteps but you should go quote their "2007 Easy Bronco games" and add the Buffallo Bills to that list! AHAHAHHAHAHHA

[NFLBRONCO]

While I expect to win this game. A young QB you never really know what your going to get week to week. I think this team needs time to gel so I expect this first game to be tougher then it should be.

[Beantown Bronco]

Ya know, it wasn't that long ago (fresh in my mind!) that I went in and talked shiat to the Dolphins fans. We were going to crush them as I remember. The last thing I remember from that game was Jason Taylor picking up an 80 yard (or so) TD!

Talking crap to Fins fans when your team has to travel there in week one is a recipe for disaster. No matter how bad the actual team is, they win over 90% of their home games in September for a reason.

Buffalo in week one is a completely different story. I can't think of a better time to travel there for a game.

[footstepsfrom#27]

While I expect to win this game. A young QB you never really know what your going to get week to week. I think this team needs time to gel so I expect this first game to be tougher then it should be.
I've never suggested this would be an easy game. Road openers in the NFL are almost always tough, but looking realistically at the two teams, you have to feel that Shanahan losing a 3rd consecutive season opener on the road is probably an unlikely scenario given what is surely a heightened state of awareness to that issue, not to mention the fact that the Bills have a lot of problems stopping the run, and have made little or no adjustments to their D-line in terms of personnel. Their primary change seems to be adding a rookie 1st round pick with the kid from Penn State, who may or may not be starting. On top of that, their confidence in Losman is based (by their own admission) on his last 9 games of the season last year. They have a rookie starting at RB, only one really good WR, and new guys at two spots in the O-line just like we do.

And would you rather go into this game with Dick Jauron or Mike Shanahan coaching your team? None of this garantees success but at this point I think we should feel pretty good about our chances.

[bpc]

I would read more of it and probably get pissed, want to respond... then I'll remember... don't feed the idiots.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Ya know, it wasn't that long ago (fresh in my mind!) that I went in and talked shiat to the Dolphins fans. We were going to crush them as I remember. The last thing I remember from that game was Jason Taylor picking up an 80 yard (or so) TD!
Point taken, but nobody's really been talking smack in there. Mostly we've been trying to engage in some dialogue and gotten smack in return.
Same thing with the Steelers in the AFCCG. I've learned my lesson. While I believe the Broncos will go in and tear the Bills apart, I also know the NFL. The good news is, if we happen to lose the first game of the season we'll probably do well from that point forward. Sometimes a team needs to be put in check and really earn that "swagger". Beating a lame Bills team in the opener doesn't qualify as earning any swagger!
I know we don't need to differentiate between the Steelers in the AFCCG and the Bills...LOL There's no reason we shouldn't expect Shanahan to have them ready for this game, if for no other reason than the team will be thinking about the upsets the past two years. Buffalo has a poor opening game record themselves, one stretching back a decade or longer.

[NFLBRONCO]

I've never suggested this would be an easy game. Road openers in the NFL are almost always tough, but looking realistically at the two teams, you have to feel that Shanahan losing a 3rd consecutive season opener on the road is probably an unlikely scenario given what is surely a heightened state of awareness to that issue, not to mention the fact that the Bills have a lot of problems stopping the run, and have made little or no adjustments to their D-line in terms of personnel. Their primary change seems to be adding a rookie 1st round pick with the kid from Penn State, who may or may not be starting. On top of that, their confidence in Losman is based (by their own admission) on his last 9 games of the season last year. They have a rookie starting at RB, only one really good WR, and new guys at two spots in the O-line just like we do.

And would you rather go into this game with Dick Jauron or Mike Shanahan coaching your team? None of this garantees success but at this point I think we should feel pretty good about our chances.


I wasn't suggesting anything towards you at all. My post was pointing out possibilities of the first game. Remember same things were said about Shanny vs opponent coaches in reg season openers on the road recently ie st louis and miami both were ugly losses.

[Killericon]

Well it helps if there's at least a modicum of common sense to work with...but how do you counter stupidity like this?

LOL...see what I mean?


I think the Broncos' CB's are okay, and may be able to hang with the 4-wide.

I love this ****.

[Popcorn Sutton]

I love this ****.

That was hilarious... LOL

[HorseHead]

The sad thing is, they may not even have a team there in couple of years...

[AgentOrange]

As a Huge Bronco fan who happens to own Bills season tickets and follows that team as well I will give you a bit of good insight on this Bills team. They will be better this season than last due to the fact most of there Key Players, Losman, McCargo, Whitner, McGee, Ellison, Crowell all have another year experience under there belts. They play a cover two D. That made Nate Clements look almost as good as Champ. Nate is gone, but look for McGee, Thomas and/or youboty to pick up the slack. The weakness is there run defense, paticulary up the middle. Henry should have a productive day. Rush for a TD and get about 130. However they'll be tough in the Red Zone. On Offense JP had improved and seems to have a better understanding of this offence. remember last year was his first in Fairchilds system. The Line a has been re-tooled over the offseason, good not great. Lee Evans is going to be a top five Wideout this season, Lynch I feel is going to be a great back, not as good as Marshal Faulk was but I can see some similarities. Lucky for the Broncos it'll be his first game. I don't think this game is going to be a cake walk. I see the Broncos winning a defensive struggle. 20-16 Lost of field goals. Sure the media slams the Bills for losing TKO (who'll never be the old TKO again) and London Fletcher is getting on in years, and his numbers are inflatted due to that poor bills d-line last year. The Bills should not be taken lightly. and this could be a playoff preview, as I could see the Bills grabbing that last wildcard spot. (I am not sold on the Jets, Bengals or Steelers)

[Hogan11]

"Living in the Elway era..."

That's funny. Can someone remind me how the Jim Kelly era wrapped up for Bills fans?

Bills home opener? Are you shatting me? McGahee didn't want to be there, Clements didn't want to be there, Losman doesn't want to be there, hell the team would rather have their home opener in Toronto. The only people that want the Bills in Buffalo are the fans who don't have the means themselves to get out. If they did, the fans wouldn't want to be in Buffalo.

Since I live in the area and am subjected to Bills games as a 1 PM game every week, I tend to know a little bit about our foe for week 1. Lemme lay down some truth about the Buffalo Bills and their fans:

Buffalo has some of the strongest fan support in the league. The problem is that Ralph Wilson is in his late 80's and nobody else in his family is the least bit interested in running the team when he kick's off. Forget Toronto (the CFL and Canadian courts will never allow it) say hello to Los Angeles instead when that time comes.

What you're dealing with in that thread is typical of the Bills fans in that they rank just under the Eagles fans in terms of assholishness.....those who've gone to games there know what I'm talking about....the whole stupid, take on the world, teenage attitude thing. Unless your one of those yourself and like fights, just pity their inferiority complex and move on.

BTW, for the record...McGahee is a joke. This was the same guy who was outplayed by the A - Train last season.....think about that for a moment.....The Freakin' A- Train, if ever there was a washed up RB, it's AT and he took the starters job from Willis. That's saying something.

Clements priced himself out of town and that's that.

Loseman had a great second half of the season, but needs to string those kind of performances together from here on out to convince me that he's turned any kind of a corner.....I simply don't believe in the guy yet. True, he's further along than Cutler in terms of game experience, but Jay has matured faster at this point than JP has.....we'll see I guess.

[Beantown Bronco]

The Bills have an abyssmal rush defense that they did nothing to improve on in the offseason....and they lost their best cover guy, so it's hard for me to believe their pass defense will be improved. Combine that with the fact that nobody runs well on the Broncos early in the season....and what do you have? A Broncos victory unless somehow one of two things happen:

1. Champ sits out the game, allowing Losman to throw for 400 yds and a couple of TDs.

2. Cutler does his best impression of Plummer last year in St. Louis and turns the ball over 5 times.

[Kaylore]

That No1Billsfan guy has some serious issues. He's pretty sensitive.

[elsid13]

Someone tell then that Tedy Bruschi asked Denver not to hurt them to bad, because he wants to have fun with them too.

[elsid13]

That No1Billsfan guy has some serious issues. He's pretty sensitive.

You be pretty sensitive too if you rooted for the Bills.

[tsiguy96]

You be pretty sensitive too if you rooted for the Bills.

atleast they dont come to this forum by the dozen constantly trying to defend their pathetic team :kcbard:

[elsid13]

There are about 8 threads about the Broncos on thier site, wow.

[ward63]

Ya know, it wasn't that long ago (fresh in my mind!) that I went in and talked shiat to the Dolphins fans. We were going to crush them as I remember. The last thing I remember from that game was Jason Taylor picking up an 80 yard (or so) TD!

Same thing with the Steelers in the AFCCG. I've learned my lesson. While I believe the Broncos will go in and tear the Bills apart, I also know the NFL. The good news is, if we happen to lose the first game of the season we'll probably do well from that point forward. Sometimes a team needs to be put in check and really earn that "swagger". Beating a lame Bills team in the opener doesn't qualify as earning any swagger!

I totally agree!! Also, thought that last year w/the Rams would have been pretty easy too. NOpe...in recent years, we've struggled in opening day games.

[Beantown Bronco]

I totally agree!! Also, thought that last year w/the Rams would have been pretty easy too. NOpe...in recent years, we've struggled in opening day games.

In recent years, we've had Jake Plummer as QB in our opening day games.

[Jana®]

There are about 8 threads about the Broncos on thier site, wow.

Sounds like a bit of insecurity? ROFL!

[Los Broncos]

These type of fans will talk smack no matter what. If we blow them out they will still come up with something to say.

[cutthemdown]

We have been struggling opening day on the road so if I were a Bills fan i would be delighted that we get Broncos openers at home. I do think we are due though and I hope a tough physical training camp with some bumps and bruises has us ready to play mean come opening day.

[Hogan11]

Sounds like a bit of insecurity? ROFL!

The word "Buffalo" is basically just another definition of "insecurity"...the people are just punchy about everything....it's the ultimate manifestation of a group inferiority complex in recorded human history.

[broncsyanks]

We have been struggling opening day on the road so if I were a Bills fan i would be delighted that we get Broncos openers at home. I do think we are due though and I hope a tough physical training camp with some bumps and bruises has us ready to play mean come opening day.

agreed here totally. we have struggled 2 years in a row on opening day suppose to be sure win games. 1st it was the rams, then the dolphins. it still hurts to say that lol. but with 15 new players to go along with learning a new defensive scheme, and that track record it does make me worried. not to say we wont put it together or anything like that but those are some very interesting causes for concern.

[cutthemdown]

agreed here totally. we have struggled 2 years in a row on opening day suppose to be sure win games. 1st it was the rams, then the dolphins. it still hurts to say that lol. but with 15 new players to go along with learning a new defensive scheme, and that track record it does make me worried. not to say we wont put it together or anything like that but those are some very interesting causes for concern.

I was leaning towards thinking it's because of those debacles we step and play really good vs the Bills. But for sure Broncos shouldn't be over confident after the stinker they laid last year on opening day. Time to get mean and vicious and put a beating on the Bills. Send a message we aren't laying down this year for the Chargers and settling for a possible wildcard.

[400HZ]

I think the Bills are a pretty weak team if you take away the Losman to Evans connection. They have a pretty decent O line, but take away the deep ball and they struggle to maintain drives. Jammer shut down Evans last year with just a bit of safety help, so I would be pretty much sold on Bailey holding him to barely anything. Losman throws arguably the best deep ball in the league, but he's pretty weak in the short game which imo is critical for beating a team like Denver. Defensively they suck against the run. It's an established fact, so don't go fluffing Travis Henry too hard when he comes out with 150 yards. LT dominated them last year even with our pass game basically shut down 2 out of 4 quarters due to wind and snow in the QB's faces. I think the one way that Buffalo could come out with a win is if Bates plays too much soft zone and Losman makes some connections downfield. His deep balls are scary accurate. I'm looking forward to seeing Schobel vs Lepsis to see if Lepsis has fallen off at all.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Gotta love the unbridled optimism when teams are 0-0

That board is pretty funny with their blowout predictions as if the Bills will simply roll over the Broncos

I am not about to make predictions considering our week 1 eggs the last 2 seasons.

But IMO...

Lossman entering 2006 was on the hotseat as a potential bust. He had an average campaign which saved his job....for now.

Their WR corps is solid....but our secondary is better than 'solid', and may well be spectacular.

They cant stop the run....no one over the last 20 years runs better than we do

All in all I have to say I like our chances - a lot.

To see these posts w/ predictions of 41-0, 35-10, etc is laughable and demonstrates a total lack of NFL awareness beyond the town of Buffalo

[SportinOne]

I'm getting pretty sick of hearing about Losman and his "best deep ball in the league". I didn't exactly follow the bills last year but every time i saw a Losman-Evans highlight, Evans would be running wide open down the sideline with noone near him. A couple times he had to wait, go back to the ball, catch it, and then run untouched into the endzone. He's a speedy guy, that's for sure. And i think he has much more to do with JP's success than JP does.

[Jana®]

I wish it was gametime right now so we could shut the Bills fans up. That.. and watch some Broncos ball. :D

[SportinOne]

One more thing:

Just because Evans didn't have a huge game against SD doesn't mean that Jammer "shut him down". You people in Chargerland talk about your front seven like they are all future hall of famers, but then you seem to forget that all of that pressure that they put on the quarterback translates to a much easier day for the secondary. This fact alone is the only reason they can get by with players like Jammer out there.

[SoCalBronco]

It'll be a good game. It would be nice if we showed up on opening day. They'll be an opponent there ready to capitalize and make quick work of us if we do not.

[Willynowei]

It must really suck to be a Bills fan.

[SportinOne]

i actually picked Buffalo as one of the few NFL teams with absolutely no chance at the playoffs this year. Those guys want to talk about inexperience at QB for us, but what about inexperience at many different positions for them, including RB. Add to that an inferior head coach.

[SoCalBronco]

i actually picked Buffalo as one of the few NFL teams with absolutely no chance at the playoffs this year. Those guys want to talk about inexperience at QB for us, but what about inexperience at many different positions for them, including RB. Add to that an inferior head coach.

I would agree that Buffalo (like most clubs, including us) has a variety of question marks...perhaps more than the norm. I don't think Jauron is a bad coach though....remember the last time he faced off against Shanny? 2003. His Bears were big time underdogs and came into Invesco and shut us down 19-10. He isnt a great coach, but he is defensive minded and is experienced in that area. He ain't bad. Are we a better team than Buffalo? Probably. Are we worlds better? No. Will it be easy to go into Rich Stadium and win? No. It will be a good game.

[broncofan2438]

We just can;t look toward week two and need to stay on our toes

[footstepsfrom#27]

I totally agree!! Also, thought that last year w/the Rams would have been pretty easy too. NOpe...in recent years, we've struggled in opening day games.
"Recent years" suggests a trend. Trends are not established in two seasons. Shanny is 8-4 in season openers and one of the losses we experienced two years ago in Miami had a great deal to do with the heat, something they obviously couldn't plan for.

By contrast, Dick Jauron is 2-5 in season openers...and Buffalo overall is 3-7 since Kelly left in 1996, including a very mediocre 4-6 record in home openers during the same time period.

Those stats do qualify as trends.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I would agree that Buffalo (like most clubs, including us) has a variety of question marks...perhaps more than the norm. I don't think Jauron is a bad coach though....remember the last time he faced off against Shanny? 2003. His Bears were big time underdogs and came into Invesco and shut us down 19-10. He isnt a great coach, but he is defensive minded and is experienced in that area. He ain't bad. Are we a better team than Buffalo? Probably. Are we worlds better? No. Will it be easy to go into Rich Stadium and win? No. It will be a good game.
Anything can happen in the NFL...but one upset loss 4 years ago doesn't mean much. Dick Jauron has 1 winning season out of 7 he's coached, which means he's proven nothing in the NFL.

In Denver he'd be fired.

[ICON]

Anything can happen in the NFL...but one upset loss 4 years ago doesn't mean much. Dick Jauron has 1 winning season out of 7 he's coached, which means he's proven nothing in the NFL.

In Denver he'd be fired.
Hey footstepsfrom#27 thanks for all the great post over @ the bills form I am posting as floorgasm.:wave:

[SportinOne]

We just can;t look toward week two and need to stay on our toes

That depends. If you mean "we" as in the Denver Broncos, then you would be correct. But if you mean "we" as in us fans on the 'mane, then I have to disagree with you for obvious reasons, the main one being that we have no control over the game. I will always expect to beat teams like Buffalo, St. Louis, and Miami whether it's opening day or the last day of the season.

This is the NFL, so no team is really "worlds" better than any other, and yeah, any given sunday. But within the spectrum of "good" teams and "bad" teams in the NFL, Denver is definitly near the end of the good side while Buffalo is pretty close to the bad end, with the young talent to eventually move into the center. Sadly, this is the AFC, and they are looking at a pretty thick glass ceiling. You just can't get better by letting that many good players go in one offseason. Do they honestly expect that every single one of their draft picks will pan out?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Hey footstepsfrom#27 thanks for all the great post over @ the bills form I am posting as floorgasm.:wave:
That's you...LOL Good job!

[Vladimir]

I seem to remember similar statements made last year about us beating the Rams. Not that I'm knocking us or anything it's just I know we dont do well opening week it seems.

See the dolphins and rams.

I do hope we win though, are we a better team? I sure think so it's just I know we have alot of questions to be answered and hopefully all these questions translate into a win in week one.

GO BRONCOS!

[footstepsfrom#27]

I seem to remember similar statements made last year about us beating the Rams. Not that I'm knocking us or anything it's just I know we dont do well opening week it seems.
Quit saying that. Two losses in a row in road openers does not equal "we don't do well opening week". Check out the Bills record in openers...they're 3-7 since Kelly left and 4-6 in home openers. Shanny is 8-4 in season openers.

[Atwater His Ass]

Quit saying that. Two losses in a row in road openers does not equal "we don't do well opening week". Check out the Bills record in openers...they're 3-7 since Kelly left and 4-6 in home openers. Shanny is 8-4 in season openers.

Your point is made, but you'd be foolish to not take into consideration our recent opening games over the last 2 seasons.

The fact is, opening up on the road with a first year starting QB in a traditionaly loud and tough stadium is not going to be an easy task. It is not foolish to be looking back at the Miami and St. Louis games and taking something from those.

This will be a very tough game for us to win.

[AgentOrange]

i actually picked Buffalo as one of the few NFL teams with absolutely no chance at the playoffs this year. Those guys want to talk about inexperience at QB for us, but what about inexperience at many different positions for them, including RB. Add to that an inferior head coach.


I disagreed, about the RB inexperience. There is a big difference between inexperience in QB and inexperience in Running backs. QB's take about three years to develop, RB's can be play makers right away. Just look at Dickerson, Marshal Faulk, Barry Sanders, Joseph Addai heck even Bobby Humphrey. The Bills issues are on D-line. Especially in the middle.

[tsiguy96]

This will be a very tough game for us to win.

if this is a tough game for us to win, we might as well forget about the playoffs.

[Atwater His Ass]

if this is a tough game for us to win, we might as well forget about the playoffs.

Then get ready to miss the playoffs. This is a tough opening day game for anyone to play.

[400HZ]

One more thing:

Just because Evans didn't have a huge game against SD doesn't mean that Jammer "shut him down". You people in Chargerland talk about your front seven like they are all future hall of famers, but then you seem to forget that all of that pressure that they put on the quarterback translates to a much easier day for the secondary. This fact alone is the only reason they can get by with players like Jammer out there.

I guess you didn't watch the game last year.

You don't lead the league in sacks if opposing teams can constantly exploit weak coverage.

[worm]

Bring it on!

Much rather play this game in September rather than in December.

[SportinOne]

I guess you didn't watch the game last year.

You don't lead the league in sacks if opposing teams can constantly exploit weak coverage.

Yes, you can. Your defensive line and linebackers created chaos and there was really no time for the quarterback to make a good read and then make a good throw. When he did have time, well, see the Cincy game.

[serious hops]

Your point is made, but you'd be foolish to not take into consideration our recent opening games over the last 2 seasons.

The fact is, opening up on the road with a first year starting QB in a traditionaly loud and tough stadium is not going to be an easy task. It is not foolish to be looking back at the Miami and St. Louis games and taking something from those.

This will be a very tough game for us to win.

As others have already pointed out, Cutler faced bigger and louder crowds in college than probably anything the NFL can offer up. Besides which, we match up quite well against a team that had a terrible run defense last year, and is relying on rookies and first-year guys to fix it. Their crowd is going to quiet down pretty quickly if Henry is gashing them right up the middle.

[Vladimir]

Quit saying that. Two losses in a row in road openers does not equal "we don't do well opening week". Check out the Bills record in openers...they're 3-7 since Kelly left and 4-6 in home openers. Shanny is 8-4 in season openers.

Quit saying it? It's the exact same situation.

We hold such high expectations for this team, and we should we totally count out the underdogs (miami, st louis) It could happen this year too with buffalo.

[Antilles]

Quit saying it? It's the exact same situation.

Well, one difference is that both Miami and STL had rookie head coaches (Saban and Linehan, respectively), thus very little NFL material to study play-calling, tendencies, etc. The same is not true in Buffalo. When you've got an Xs and Os guru like Shanahan putting together your game plan, I don't think you can overestimate the importance of knowing your opponent.

[Beantown Bronco]

Quit saying it? It's the exact same situation.

No, it really isn't the same situation. Next to nobody goes into Miami and wins in September, regardless of how much of a talent differential there may be. It's a ridiculous home field advantage that is too much for the visiting team 99% of the time. Look it up.

Buffalo has zero home field advantage in September. In fact, they lose more than they win at home in September.....at least in the last 10 or so years.

And St. Louis was the result of a QB completely imploding and not being able to handle the pressure of Cutler looking over his shoulder. There is zero chance that Cutler goes 13-26 with 138 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs and a fumble. ZERO. (Amazing that they only lost the game by a TD)

[Arkansas Bronco]

They just said on the NFL channel that Anthony Hargrove is suspended for 4 games.

[NASurfer]

Well it helps if there's at least a modicum of common sense to work with...but how do you counter stupidity like this?

LOL...see what I mean?

One guy thought the SEC isn't a very good conference and the other guy "doesen't watch games" between 2 West Coast teams. Wow.... Hilarious!

[cutthemdown]

They just said on the NFL channel that Anthony Hargrove is suspended for 4 games.

Yeah I saw that but he is a back up so I don't see that having a huge impact on Bills defense.

[400HZ]

Yes, you can. Your defensive line and linebackers created chaos and there was really no time for the quarterback to make a good read and then make a good throw. When he did have time, well, see the Cincy game.

The Chargers had the exact same front 7 in 2005, but they didn't get 61 sacks. Like I said, you can't get that many without quite a few coverage sacks thrown in there. I don't know why you started this argument anyways. All I said was that if Jammer could do it then Champ shouldn't have much trouble. The Cincy game last year was a lot more than just coverage breakdowns, although there were plenty. We got bowled over in the run game too. The Bungles were just locked on that day and came out totally in sync. Palmer and Johnson would have smoked any secondary in the league that day.

[NOLA Bronco]

Tulane alum here - Losman had the success he had in college because he had two players around him who were better - Mewelde Moore and Roydell Williams. When they were taken on of the game plan, he couldn't do crap.

Cutler any day, especially on Sunday.

[footstepsfrom#27]

These guys are utterly ridiculous. In spite of being on best behavior, they interpreted simple dialogue and debate as troll smack. Check this nonsense out...talk about a bunch of candies...LOL

http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=67468&st=40&start=40

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Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[maher_tyler]

We also have to remember this is not last years team or the team from 2 years ago. We don't have Plummer as our QB anymore and we have a good RB in Henry unlike TB. I think we're a better much better team than we have been the last 2 years. Our D line can't be any worse..our DB's are better..i'll be pretty disappointed if we lose this game!!

[Paladin]

I still think that everyone ought to see at least one Exhibition game before making predictions about the season. The Training Camp Reports were absolutely fabulous, but all the speculation and observations have to be translated to the field......

[Florida_Bronco]

These guys are utterly ridiculous. In spite of being on best behavior, they interpreted simple dialogue and debate as troll smack. Check this nonsense out...talk about a bunch of candies...LOL

http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=67468&st=40&start=40

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Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

Someone had some sand up her vagina.

[Bronx33]

Funny the last retort is always crying about our blocking schemes.

[That One Guy]

We also have to remember this is not last years team or the team from 2 years ago. We don't have Plummer as our QB anymore and we have a good RB in Henry unlike TB. I think we're a better much better team than we have been the last 2 years. Our D line can't be any worse..our DB's are better..i'll be pretty disappointed if we lose this game!!

We don't know how the Oline is going to be yet. If it's the same as last year's, I don't know that I can honestly say Henry behind that line is better than Anderson behind the line two years ago.

[footstepsfrom#27]

We don't know how the Oline is going to be yet. If it's the same as last year's, I don't know that I can honestly say Henry behind that line is better than Anderson behind the line two years ago.
No Foster equals an automatic improvement.

[Bronx33]

No Foster equals an automatic improvement.


Ok! we get it your just trollin mister! ;D

[Darkdoc]

Home field advantage seems to be disappearing - it is given much more credit than it deserves in the modern NFL. This was even true in Denver (look at our unexpected home losses last year).

Home teams teams in 2006 had a winning percentage of only 54%. Ten years ago it was much higher, but something has happened to make it much less important (except in everyone's memory).

And for the 2006 home opener (at least for Game 1) it was ugly. In 2006, in the first game of the season the home team won only 5 of the 16 games.

Shannahan has a .909 home opener record - I don't know if this is the best in the league, but it must be close.

[sirhcyennek81]

Smack talk in August is about as useful as making out with your sister.


:Broncos:

[footstepsfrom#27]

Smack talk in August is about as useful as making out with your sister.
You made out with your sister? ;D

[Kaylore]

Could footsteps or someone please bump this thread on their site for me so that douche-bag 1billsFan can eat his words? ;D

[Kaylore]

Bump for footsteps.

[sirhcyennek81]

You made out with your sister? ;D


No sister. But my dad did run around alot...


:Broncos:

[TheChamp24]

I love how they are whining about our OL blocking, saying Nalen is in the HoF of holding. lol
Freaking hate how fans complain about the refs. I know we all do it, but its not the reason you win or lose a game.

[Master___Pain]

It got bumped Khan

[footstepsfrom#27]

Bump for footsteps.
Thanks...but after the Kevin Everett thing I didn't want to go back in there to do much beyond offer some thoughts and prays/well wishes for their player. This comes on the heels of a 14 year old kid at my daughter's high school who died while playing in a JV game last Friday BTW...to sad for words....makes the rest of it seem trivial.