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SoDak Bronco
08-08-2007, 10:18 PM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo -- Five observations from Denver Broncos training camp, gleaned from the team's practices:




1. Big additions

The additions of Jimmy Kennedy and Sam Adams to the defensive line are huge. Why? Because both players are huge. Kennedy looks to be in great shape. The former Rams first-round pick never seemed to feel comfortable in St. Louis. For years, he played behind first-rounders Ryan Pickett and Damione Lewis. When they left, his play dropped off.
Kennedy reported to Broncos camp in the 335-pound range and showed some quickness at practice. Adams will be asked to use his big body around 20 to 25 plays a game. He's a good run stopper but still has a quick first step to disrupt the interior blocking schemes. Rookie Marcus Thomas is a talent at defensive tackle, but he might initially be fourth in this mix. Thomas, who was kicked out of Florida for off-the-field issues, will have time to pick up the system and develop slowly. What will be interesting to see is how the influx of tackles will affect Gerard Warren. A couple years ago, Warren played at a Pro Bowl level, but the line play as a whole slipped last year. Warren is still the starter, but he has competition for his playing time. The Broncos also added Alvin McKinley to play on the inside as a backup three-technique option.



2. Strength in numbers

The deepest position for the Broncos is defensive end. Ebenezer Ekuban and John Engelberger are the starters, but a name to watch is Elvis Dumervil. He had eight sacks as a rookie in limited playing time. Shanahan thinks Dumervil's intense playing style could net a dozen sacks this year.
The Broncos had a scare Monday when first-round choice Jarvis Moss was carted off the field with a knee injury that turned out to be a sprain. He's day-to-day. Tim Crowder looks promising. He has the body of a pass-rushing end. Both he and Moss are right-side pass-rushers, although they may be on opposite sides in pass-rushing situations. Kenny Peterson, who faces a four-game suspension in September for violating the league's steroid policy, also shows some skills at end, but he may have a hard time making the team.

Where does all of this leave veteran Kenard Lang? Lang is the type of accomplished veteran Shanahan loves to have on his team. But the Broncos are seven deep at defensive end and clearly are developing Crowder and Moss as the starters of the future. Lang could be expendable unless he has an unbelievable preseason. Expect him to be cut or traded.



3. Big plans for Graham

The best place to observe tight end Daniel Graham is the end zone. There, you get the full effect of what he could mean to Denver's offense. Graham sets up in a three-point stance that eats up a lot of space. His legs are spread wide and ready for action. Graham was signed to be a force as a blocker as well as a receiver. The Broncos outbid the Seahawks for Graham, whom Shanahan considers a difference maker. The Broncos want to become a more effective running team, particularly in the second halves of games. Graham has the size and power to wear down a defender. Plus, he's a big target.
The signing of Graham was a bit of a surprise because the Broncos were already pretty solid at the position. Stephen Alexander is an established starter. Tony Scheffler is skilled at catching passes and is just about ready to come off the physically unable to perform list following offseason surgery. Nate Jackson, the unknown of the group, is catching everything.



4. Potentially great

On paper, the Broncos should be great at wide receiver, but there's cause for concern if Brandon Marshall doesn't develop into a starter -- and a good one -- in this camp. Marshall is like so many Shanahan wide receiver draft choices. He looked promising as a rookie. But the Broncos ask more of their receivers than most teams because they have to block and play hurt. Guess what? Marshall is missing practice time with an injury. Rod Smith has advised many young receivers during Shanahan's era that they have to learn to play hurt. Broncos receivers have to play their best when they feel their worst.
Marshall has to play well for the team to have success. Smith is coming off hip surgery. Although Shanahan will wait for him to heal, there is no guarantee he will be completely healthy by the start of the season. The plan is for Smith to be the third receiver this year. Brandon Stokley is perhaps the game's best slot receiver. But injuries ended his days in Indianapolis. Stokley's body takes a pounding going across the middle. Jay Cutler is going to need a full arsenal of receivers to succeed.



5. Impact player

Travis Henry should be a major force for the Broncos. If healthy, he should be able to rush for 1,400 to 1,500 yards. Henry runs low to the ground and has powerful legs. His style is very similar to that of former Broncos great Terrell Davis. Like Davis, Henry gets stronger as defenses wear down.
Shanahan is the best in the league at putting together a running game. Since Davis, he's turned journeymen and converted fullbacks into 1,000-yard runners. Although that's great, Shanahan needs a 1,500-yarder to get his offense peaking. The key is keeping Henry healthy all year. Shanahan will limit him a little during the preseason to keep him fresh for the regular season. Mike Bell, an undrafted gem from a year ago, remains a no-nonsense backup option. Cecil Sapp also runs hard and will be available when Henry needs a rest.

John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

Rock Chalk
08-08-2007, 11:23 PM
We will need a full arsenal of receivers to succeed, yet Henry is going to rush for 1400 or 1500 yards.

I'm calling bull****. If Henry has 14 or 1500 yards, we are going to be kicking ass without having to pass an incredible amount.

no-pseudo-fan
08-09-2007, 12:52 AM
We need Jay to be good not Great this year. Just good enough to keep D's honest. Henry is going to be a beast. That will open up long passes, and over the middle passes to the TE's. He will be one of our finishers this year.

Los Broncos
08-09-2007, 12:56 AM
Cant wait to see Henry in the first preseason game.

Atlas
08-09-2007, 01:25 AM
We need Jay to be good not Great this year. Just good enough to keep D's honest. Henry is going to be a beast. That will open up long passes, and over the middle passes to the TE's. He will be one of our finishers this year.

jakr has to play great if denver wants to win the west

BroncsRule
08-09-2007, 02:22 AM
If Henry's production is +/- 1500 yards, that's the turbocharger that alows the west coast offense to work efficiently. When you can run at will on anybody to set up the pass, then the passing game works too.

You get top 3 offensive production - 30+ PPG average, 500+ points for the season.

It's not that we "need" Marshall to be great, but that he probably will be very productive - along with the TE's, Javon and Stokley in the slot.

There are enough balls to go around when Shanny has the Ferari tuned up.

maher_tyler
08-09-2007, 08:10 AM
If Henry's production is +/- 1500 yards, that's the turbocharger that alows the west coast offense to work efficiently. When you can run at will on anybody to set up the pass, then the passing game works too.

You get top 3 offensive production - 30+ PPG average, 500+ points for the season.

It's not that we "need" Marshall to be great, but that he probably will be very productive - along with the TE's, Javon and Stokley in the slot.

There are enough balls to go around when Shanny has the Ferari tuned up.

Good post...i agree!!

Mediator12
08-09-2007, 08:42 AM
We will need a full arsenal of receivers to succeed, yet Henry is going to rush for 1400 or 1500 yards.

I'm calling bull****. If Henry has 14 or 1500 yards, we are going to be kicking ass without having to pass an incredible amount.

You do realize we ran for 2000+ yards last year and still sucked balls on offense right? 2000 rushing yards every season in the Shanahan era except the TD injury one and DEN's passing game sucked balls last year resulting in alltime lows on offense in yards and points scored.

Jay Needs a healthy WR core to take this team beyond 9-7. If he gets the TE's and RB's to step up in checkdowns they could easily go 11-5 as long as the WR's can stretch the field vertically.

Mediator12
08-09-2007, 08:45 AM
As far as Clayton's article, he seems to be spouting the same stuff Kaylore has reported so far, including the observation on Nate jackson catching everything so far. The only thing I think is overstated is the Gerrard Warren probowl level comment. Warren has NEVER played anywhere near that level at any time in his NFL career. 2005 was the Only time he played simply above average.

Archie
08-09-2007, 09:02 AM
You do realize we ran for 2000+ yards last year and still sucked balls on offense right? 2000 rushing yards every season in the Shanahan era except the TD injury one and DEN's passing game sucked balls last year resulting in alltime lows on offense in yards and points scored.

Jay Needs a healthy WR core to take this team beyond 9-7. If he gets the TE's and RB's to step up in checkdowns they could easily go 11-5 as long as the WR's can stretch the field vertically.

The key is can we run when we have to and the D knows we will run. We were not able to run at will last year. And, when you line up on 3rd and 4 and the D absolutely has to respect the run as well as the pass then you have accomplished your goal. Last year we didn't have that....

theAPAOps5
08-09-2007, 09:16 AM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo -- Five observations from Denver Broncos training camp, gleaned from the team's practices:





3. Big plans for Graham

The best place to observe tight end Daniel Graham is the end zone. There, you get the full effect of what he could mean to Denver's offense. Graham sets up in a three-point stance that eats up a lot of space. His legs are spread wide and ready for action. Graham was signed to be a force as a blocker as well as a receiver. The Broncos outbid the Seahawks for Graham, whom Shanahan considers a difference maker. The Broncos want to become a more effective running team, particularly in the second halves of games. Graham has the size and power to wear down a defender. Plus, he's a big target.
The signing of Graham was a bit of a surprise because the Broncos were already pretty solid at the position. Stephen Alexander is an established starter. Tony Scheffler is skilled at catching passes and is just about ready to come off the physically unable to perform list following offseason surgery. Nate Jackson, the unknown of the group, is catching everything.


John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

Maybe I am tired this morning or maybe its John Claytons creepy face but this just doesn't sound like the best choice of words.

Rock Chalk
08-09-2007, 09:54 AM
You do realize we ran for 2000+ yards last year and still sucked balls on offense right? 2000 rushing yards every season in the Shanahan era except the TD injury one and DEN's passing game sucked balls last year resulting in alltime lows on offense in yards and points scored.

Jay Needs a healthy WR core to take this team beyond 9-7. If he gets the TE's and RB's to step up in checkdowns they could easily go 11-5 as long as the WR's can stretch the field vertically.

Mediator, if Henry rushes for 1400 or 1500 yards, then our rushing game is probably producing along the lines of 2400 to 2500 yards.

The last time we had a prolific rushing game where a single back was kicking that much ass, we were damn near unstoppable. My point is, we dont need to have an absolutely incredible WR corps. Javon + whatever else we throw out there + Travis Henry will be fine for the offense.

And just because we trotted out 2000 yards rushing as a team last year doesnt mean jack ****. Our rushing yards weren't meaningful for most of the season, coming up short more often than not. Getting 9 yards on 3rd and 20 is not good. Why does Jay need a bad ass WR corps? Tom Brady didnt need one andhe has 3 superbowl rings. Cutler is supposed to be the next coming so, lets see him do it with half a WR corps, a kick ass run game and a better-be-better-than-last-year defense.

Willynowei
08-09-2007, 10:11 AM
If Henry's production is +/- 1500 yards, that's the turbocharger that alows the west coast offense to work efficiently. When you can run at will on anybody to set up the pass, then the passing game works too.

You get top 3 offensive production - 30+ PPG average, 500+ points for the season.

It's not that we "need" Marshall to be great, but that he probably will be very productive - along with the TE's, Javon and Stokley in the slot.

There are enough balls to go around when Shanny has the Ferari tuned up.

I think we absolutely need marshal on the field and producing. He's an absolute monster. How the heck this kid was not picked up in the first round I have no idea.

Shanny's mad at him, b/c he's got a future probowler on the sidelines looking on when he should be out there dominating. This kid stays healthy he will be next TO, I don't even have a doubt about that. Hopefully he aint a mental case though.

Mediator12
08-09-2007, 10:12 AM
Mediator, if Henry rushes for 1400 or 1500 yards, then our rushing game is probably producing along the lines of 2400 to 2500 yards.

The last time we had a prolific rushing game where a single back was kicking that much ass, we were damn near unstoppable. My point is, we dont need to have an absolutely incredible WR corps. Javon + whatever else we throw out there + Travis Henry will be fine for the offense.

And just because we trotted out 2000 yards rushing as a team last year doesnt mean jack ****. Our rushing yards weren't meaningful for most of the season, coming up short more often than not. Getting 9 yards on 3rd and 20 is not good. Why does Jay need a bad ass WR corps? Tom Brady didnt need one andhe has 3 superbowl rings. Cutler is supposed to be the next coming so, lets see him do it with half a WR corps, a kick ass run game and a better-be-better-than-last-year defense.


The thing is Alec, no one is going to respect the rookie QB until he proves it. If Walker is the Only vertical threat on the team, Henry is going to average 4.0 yards a carry with eight in the box despite getting 1400 yards. That is not going to take this team anywhere. The only way teams do not stack the box like they have the last two years is if Cutler can make them pay deep. Javon IS a stud, but teams can compensate for that and rotate coverage to him if he is the Only threat deep like last year.

The running game needs the threat of beating a defense deep on the pass to keep teams honest and balanced against the run. This OL is not going to blow eight men out of the box and run sucessfully. They have not been able to do that for the last two years. Henry does not make them magically block better.

The WR's have got to play well in order for the offense to improve. If not, Jay will just have modest numbers and another one and done if they make the playoffs.

Beantown Bronco
08-09-2007, 10:41 AM
Mediator, if Henry rushes for 1400 or 1500 yards, then our rushing game is probably producing along the lines of 2400 to 2500 yards.

Expecting 1,000 yards rushing out of Mike Bell and whoever else they throw back there as a #2 or #3 RB for around 5 plays a game at most is a little optimistic IMO. You have to account for the loss in rushing yardage out of the QB position as well. Cutler is no Plummer when it comes to scrambling ability.

You can only run so many end arounds with guys like Javon and Elam. ;D

If Henry goes for 1,500; then I'd realistically expect no more than 700 or so yards rushing out of the rest of the team.

theAPAOps5
08-09-2007, 10:46 AM
Expecting 1,000 yards rushing out of Mike Bell and whoever else they throw back there as a #2 or #3 RB for around 5 plays a game at most is a little optimistic IMO. You have to account for the loss in rushing yardage out of the QB position as well. Cutler is no Plummer when it comes to scrambling ability.

You can only run so many end arounds with guys like Javon and Elam. ;D

If Henry goes for 1,500; then I'd realistically expect no more than 700 or so yards rushing out of the rest of the team.

Cutler runs the boot just fine. But its not his bread and butter like Plummer. Also isn't a sack counted against passing yards? I thought that was how it worked but I am not entirely clear on that stat.

Beantown Bronco
08-09-2007, 10:59 AM
Cutler runs the boot just fine. But its not his bread and butter like Plummer. Also isn't a sack counted against passing yards? I thought that was how it worked but I am not entirely clear on that stat.

I understand that he can run the bootleg, but he is a lot less likely to pull it down and actually run with it. He's more likely to throw it away than Plummer.

Look at it this way: last year in his 5 games, Cutler ran 12 times for 18 yards. That pace would have him go for around 50 yards over a full season. Plummer averaged well over 150 yards per season in his time with Denver.

By Alec stating that he thinks the Broncos can muster up 1,000 yards rushing by guys NOT named Travis Henry, he needs to take the QB position into account. That leaves them around 100 yards in the hole already and forces Mike Bell and whomever else to pick up 950 yards (roughly 60 yards per game) despite only carrying the ball 5-10 times per game on average. I don't think that's very realistic.

philiptr2
08-09-2007, 11:14 AM
Not bad assesment of camp from Clayton, considering he probably only spent one or two days at Dove Valley. Plus, any half-way smart ESPN journalist would do his homework by reading SoCal and Kaylor's camp reports.

I agree with med, healthy WRs are the key to moving a strong offense to a dominating offense.

I think people don't give Cutler credit for how good of a runner he is. Scrambling was Jake's best tool, but is just one of the weapons in Jay's arsenal. Cutler was recruited to Vandy as a veer quarterback.

theAPAOps5
08-09-2007, 12:07 PM
Not bad assesment of camp from Clayton, considering he probably only spent one or two days at Dove Valley. Plus, any half-way smart ESPN journalist would do his homework by reading SoCal and Kaylor's camp reports.

I agree with med, healthy WRs are the key to moving a strong offense to a dominating offense.

I think people don't give Cutler credit for how good of a runner he is. Scrambling was Jake's best tool, but is just one of the weapons in Jay's arsenal. Cutler was recruited to Vandy as a veer quarterback.

I totally agree, and its amazing he was recruited as an Option QB. However I think the bulk he added has changed that a little. Look at this way, and I hate using this name in talking about Cutler, but Elway did not look fleet of foot all the time. He was amazing at making plays though. Cutler doesn't look all that fast but I tell you what my couple times at camp last week he scrambled very well to open up plays and elude the rush. In a few of the reports, Kaylor has mentioned that as well.

TerrElway
08-09-2007, 12:42 PM
Cutler runs the boot just fine. But its not his bread and butter like Plummer. Also isn't a sack counted against passing yards? I thought that was how it worked but I am not entirely clear on that stat.

Yes. It's counted differently on different levels. In HS the norm is that it is subtracted from rushing yards. College is the same.

In the NFL it comes off of passing yardage. I have no idea why.

It comes off of the team passing yards but not the QB's individual passing yards. If it's a designed run then it comes off of rushing yardage and doesn't count as a sack. The official stat geeks holed up wherever they are review those type of plays and deem them a rush loss or a sack if there is any question. That's why you will see some numbers change in the middle of the week.

theAPAOps5
08-09-2007, 01:23 PM
Yes. It's counted differently on different levels. In HS the norm is that it is subtracted from rushing yards. College is the same.

In the NFL it comes off of passing yardage. I have no idea why.

It comes off of the team passing yards but not the QB's individual passing yards. If it's a designed run then it comes off of rushing yardage and doesn't count as a sack. The official stat geeks holed up wherever they are review those type of plays and deem them a rush loss or a sack if there is any question. That's why you will see some numbers change in the middle of the week.

Thank you. I knew sacks counted towards team passing but I wasn't sure how they exactly determined that.

JanaŽ
08-09-2007, 01:27 PM
The deepest position for the Broncos is defensive end. Ebenezer Ekuban and John Engelberger are the starters, but a name to watch is Elvis Dumervil. He had eight sacks as a rookie in limited playing time. Shanahan thinks Dumervil's intense playing style could net a dozen sacks this year.

I like the sound of that!

Cito Pelon
08-10-2007, 06:10 PM
We will need a full arsenal of receivers to succeed, yet Henry is going to rush for 1400 or 1500 yards.

I'm calling bull****. If Henry has 14 or 1500 yards, we are going to be kicking ass without having to pass an incredible amount.

I think the team will still need good receivers, or "a full arsenal" as Clayton said.