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Hercules Rockefeller
08-07-2007, 11:53 PM
*

Nothing more.

SoCalBronco
08-07-2007, 11:54 PM
That sucks.

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theAPAOps5
08-07-2007, 11:56 PM
Well we can officially say the record is tainted. I didn't watch except his first at bat, he damn near came close to hitting that one out. The best part about it though is Selig skipped the game to attend to the Steroid probe!

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Rocket 7
08-07-2007, 11:58 PM
Who caught the ball?

TheChamp24
08-07-2007, 11:59 PM
Nice message from Aaron though IMO to acknowledge what Barry has done.
I don't like Barry has the record, but he has it.
Love the mad scramble for the ball, lol, i bet a couple people have some nasty cuts and maybe broken bones.

theAPAOps5
08-08-2007, 12:00 AM
Nice message from Aaron though IMO to acknowledge what Barry has done.
I don't like Barry has the record, but he has it.
Love the mad scramble for the ball, lol, i bet a couple people have some nasty cuts and maybe broken bones.

Yeah I bet that damn ball changed hands 3-4 times under the scramble. I wonder if there will be another lawsuit?

longtimer
08-08-2007, 12:02 AM
WHO really cares any way! IT is the start of the only real sport that matters in america and thats Football.

The others just fill time on ESPN until The NFL starts.

bronco militia
08-08-2007, 12:02 AM
booooooooo

go Arod

SouthStndJunkie
08-08-2007, 12:03 AM
Quite a feat, even juiced up.

Archer81
08-08-2007, 12:04 AM
I hate baseball.


:Broncos:

bronco militia
08-08-2007, 12:05 AM
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Lidderer
08-08-2007, 12:07 AM
god that was great to watch

bronco militia
08-08-2007, 12:08 AM
rox win 11-4!

TheChamp24
08-08-2007, 12:08 AM
Yeah I bet that damn ball changed hands 3-4 times under the scramble. I wonder if there will be another lawsuit?

Probably, I would be so happy to get it though and sell it for as much as I could get. Screw Barry and MLB, I want my money, I want a house and cars.

theAPAOps5
08-08-2007, 12:09 AM
booooooooo

go Arod

Alas, reports are out there he has taken HGH? Its sad you can't trust anything anymore.

Lidderer
08-08-2007, 12:10 AM
oh man, that shot of him just standing there looking at the home run made me want to google earth beerslug's address

theAPAOps5
08-08-2007, 12:10 AM
rox win 11-4!

And Helton hits 2 HRs. He hasn't been hitting the long ball so well.

Hercules Rockefeller
08-08-2007, 12:11 AM
booooooooo

go Arod

No chance of it happening anymore, but Griffey was always the one I wanted to see break it

Hercules Rockefeller
08-08-2007, 12:12 AM
And Helton hits 2 HRs. He hasn't been hitting the long ball so well.

This, after Irv, Joe and Mike Evans pretty much spent my entire drive home ragging on Helton today on 950.

chaz
08-08-2007, 12:12 AM
I was just thinking today that every pitcher in baseball should just walk him everytime he comes to the plate as a protest against him....

A-Rod better get on his horse and break this record

OBF1
08-08-2007, 12:13 AM
Congratulations to Barry. Greatest player in our lifetime. 756 and counting. I think now that the pressure is off, he is going to alot more now.

PS: Asterisk your a$$, There will never be one in the major league journals.

Broncojef
08-08-2007, 12:13 AM
No chance of it happening anymore, but Griffey was always the one I wanted to see break it

Arod has a great chance at breaking it...Youngest player ever to hit 500...Go ARod.

theAPAOps5
08-08-2007, 12:15 AM
Congratulations to Barry. Greatest player in our lifetime. 756 and counting. I think now that the pressure is off, he is going to alot more now.

PS: Asterisk your a$$, There will never be one in the major league journals.

dude he is a prick who is a cheat, don't make me neg rep you! :twokisses

OBF1
08-08-2007, 12:17 AM
dude he is a prick who is a cheat, don't make me neg rep you! :twokisses

So did Romanowski.... Do we now *********** the bronco's superbowl trophies?

theAPAOps5
08-08-2007, 12:19 AM
Romo didn't break any personal records. There is a difference. Barroid hasn't won his team jack so that can't be taken into question.

OBF1
08-08-2007, 12:21 AM
Romo didn't break any personal records. There is a difference. Barroid hasn't won his team jack so that can't be taken into question.

So if Bonds won a world series, all would be forgiven? I do not understand the difference. Both have used roids, yet only the percieved a-hole cheated ???

Atlas
08-08-2007, 12:21 AM
Arod has a great chance at breaking it...Youngest player ever to hit 500...Go ARod.

A rod is on steroids too. SO what's the difference?

theAPAOps5
08-08-2007, 12:25 AM
So if Bonds won a world series, all would be forgiven? I do not understand the difference. Both have used roids, yet only the percieved a-hole cheated ???

No what I am saying is, your argument would be more valid if Barry had won a Series. To say that Romo tainted the Broncos SB wins just as much Barry tainting the most hallowed record in sports is ludicrous. He is a cheat he deserves to have all records erased. Romo is just as much scum in my book.

BroncoBen
08-08-2007, 12:30 AM
Well I am happy for Bonds and his family.. only history can judge.

TDmvp
08-08-2007, 12:31 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1667438&postcount=17

worm
08-08-2007, 12:41 AM
Hopefully these threads will now mercifully end.

I don't think there has been one convert from one side to the other of this 'debate' since the grand jury testimony was leaked.

Billy Clyde Puckett
08-08-2007, 12:46 AM
I hope he rots in hell with his father, Ty Cobb, Jeffrey Dahlmer and Bob as his room mates.

DBroncos4life
08-08-2007, 12:46 AM
damn it I was watching it and left before he hit it. Not that I like the guy or anything but I would have been cool to see it.

cabronco
08-08-2007, 12:47 AM
I couldnt care less. I don't even like baseball.

Los Broncos
08-08-2007, 01:01 AM
This will be the shortest celebration ever of any record being broken.

Kaylore
08-08-2007, 01:05 AM
B*NDS

Los Broncos
08-08-2007, 01:11 AM
I know people talk about how roids kills the games spirit. But it never hurt anyone, everyone comes out ahead.

The team makes more money, the bat boy makes more, the players.

But Bonds it not very likable. He only cares about himself, thats what makes it so hard.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-08-2007, 01:17 AM
Meh... I quit caring about baseball after the '94 lockout. Anyone who was impressed with the takedown of Maris' record was just kidding themselves. It seemed like a cheap stunt then, and has only gotten worse. Funny that the holiest of holy baseball records is broken tonight, and I find out on a football forum. Pretty much says it all right there.

Wes Mantooth
08-08-2007, 01:40 AM
I hate baseball.


:Broncos:

I hate cheaters.

dbfan4life
08-08-2007, 01:40 AM
Those of you bashing Bonds now were probably the same ones cheering McGwuire's and Sosa's chase of Maris' single season record. Why is Barry's feat so much different? Congrats to Barry.

24champ
08-08-2007, 01:41 AM
Couple things from this circus clown who cheated, I tuned into the game on BBPN2 (formerly ESPN2).

1. Hank's pre-recorded message was so phony, I loved it.

2. The dog pile to get the ball in the outfield was funny as hell, the guy in the orange shirt jumping into the pile was funny too.

3. A Mets fan emerges with the ball and not a Giant fan.Ha!

4. This was originally on Yahoo! before they took it down.LOL

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c326/darby27/Posts/756.jpg

5. Finally Barry's speech deserves an oscar, it was so phony and actually the whole night was phony and it was fitting for the occasion because this HR record is phony.

Wes Mantooth
08-08-2007, 01:46 AM
So if Bonds won a world series, all would be forgiven? I do not understand the difference. Both have used roids, yet only the percieved a-hole cheated ???

Dude, personal records are about a particular person, not the team. This is true especially when you hit in baseball. He cheated. Romo probably did help us out because he was a roid freak to be fair. If that was the case then he cheated and an asterisk should be kept by his name for all the records he holds.

I don't hold the Giants nor Broncos responsible for the decisions a person makes. I hold Barry Bonds and Bill Romanowski responsible for being cheaters. I don't care if Romo cheated with the Broncs or not.

UnderArmour
08-08-2007, 01:56 AM
Steroids or not, this guy went out there night after night hitting homers. There is no need to put an asterisk next to his name, oh no, but to put an Asterisk next to MLB*. I'm sure Bonds has faced plenty of HGHed Pitchers and I'm sure the Hall of Fame has steroid users. Sosa is probably the only guy hitting homers without steroids since he corked his bats instead.

Also, I'm still a bit skeptical about Bond's Steroid use, I can't say I entirely believe all of the myths behind it. Anyway, Congrats Bonds. Next destination HR #800.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-08-2007, 02:11 AM
cheated or not, people need to relax on him. The amount of crap this guy has had to put up with over the past few years (for something tons of other players did too) is incredible. If i were him, i woulda punched numerous people out by now. I think he's shown restraint. How do you expect him to act

Casper Bronco
08-08-2007, 02:21 AM
It's amazing all the people who want to put an asterick behind his records. I bet the amount of baseball players that have cheated is probably equal to the number of college students who smoke marijuana. Everybody's doing it! They should just put an * after MLB*

Lidderer
08-08-2007, 02:49 AM
It's amazing all the people who want to put an asterick behind his records. I bet the amount of baseball players that have cheated is probably equal to the number of college students who smoke marijuana. Everybody's doing it! They should just put an * after MLB*

Oh man, and the best is when they invoke the whole defense of "ya, sure, other guys cheat, but this is the HR RECORD!", as if this wouldn't make it THAT much harder to hit off of roided pitchers.

Plus it's freakin' baseball, where every park has nutso dimensions. If Helton broke a batting record would there be an asterisk next to it? etc.

Bronco LB 59
08-08-2007, 03:09 AM
The real news in baseball tonight was Justin Upton hitting home run #1 in a 3-for-4 game in which he was a single short of the cycle.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7267/justinuptonwi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

24champ
08-08-2007, 03:16 AM
The real news in baseball tonight was Justin Upton hitting home run #1 in a 3-for-4 game in which he was a single short of the cycle.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7267/justinuptonwi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


That 19 year old will be causing a lot of havoc in the NL West and elsewhere.

broncocalijohn
08-08-2007, 03:23 AM
Well I am happy for Bonds and his family.. only history can judge.

What do you mean? Millions of fans know the outcome of his steroid useage. I hope that a grand jury will be the deciding factor that he is a cheat that broke a record that very few have owned. I believe i can name them on top of my head from the last 100 years. Homerun Baker, Babe Ruth, Aaron, and now Barroids. I just hope A rod isnt juiced so in 8 years or so I can be happy that he erased the only man without elephanttitus to increase his head and shoe size in his 30s. Anyone that enjoyed him taking this record on the conditions of cheating, how do you tell your kids that cheating in school does more harm than good? If i was your kid, I would laugh in your kiss ass face.
I went to the Angels game and they showed the hit between 6th and 7th inning. Glad Angels fans had the courage NOT to stand and clap. Most seemed disappointed. Unlike those sissy Madres fans that stood up and cheered. Shame on them! On a happier note, Angels win again and ready to sweep.

24champ
08-08-2007, 03:25 AM
Also, I'm still a bit skeptical about Bond's Steroid use, I can't say I entirely believe all of the myths behind it. Anyway, Congrats Bonds. Next destination HR #800.

He's already admitted to using steroids.

Admitted Using: Steroids (The Clear, The Cream)
What he said: Testifying before the BALCO Grand Jury, Bonds admitted to using two undetectable steroids from BALCO. He testified that he believed The Cream was an arthritis balm and the THG was flaxseed oil capsules. Both substances were given to him by his friend and trainer, Greg Anderson. His confidential testimony was leaked to the San Fransisco Chronicle; excerpts were published in a Dec. 3, 2004 article entitled What Bonds told BALCO grand jury.

http://www.baseballssteroidera.com/bse-list-steroid-hgh-users-baseball.html#barry_bonds

broncocalijohn
08-08-2007, 03:28 AM
cheated or not, people need to relax on him. The amount of crap this guy has had to put up with over the past few years (for something tons of other players did too) is incredible. If i were him, i woulda punched numerous people out by now. I think he's shown restraint. How do you expect him to act

Bonds is a complete Ahole and deserves everything he gets from pissed off fans. He treats reporters like crap from the days of his beginnings of MLB. Ask any reporter on him tha tisnt from SF. I love baseball but I hope they find out the truth on McGwire and Bonds so Astericks can go by their record. It is already suspected, let us know the full truth from the grand jury. The proof is out there.

24champ
08-08-2007, 03:30 AM
I went to the Angels game and they showed the hit between 6th and 7th inning. Glad Angels fans had the courage NOT to stand and clap.

I am gonna say it is probably because they were more worried about the rat infestation at the stadium. :giggle:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/angel_stadium_rat_infestation

Atlas
08-08-2007, 04:00 AM
Dude, personal records are about a particular person, not the team. This is true especially when you hit in baseball. He cheated. Romo probably did help us out because he was a roid freak to be fair. If that was the case then he cheated and an asterisk should be kept by his name for all the records he holds.

I don't hold the Giants nor Broncos responsible for the decisions a person makes. I hold Barry Bonds and Bill Romanowski responsible for being cheaters. I don't care if Romo cheated with the Broncs or not.

Romo said he didn't start using roids until 2001.

maher_tyler
08-08-2007, 05:40 AM
can't find the post but agree with the person that said they would have liked to see Griffey break the record..i can't stand A-Rod!!

OrangeShadow
08-08-2007, 07:34 AM
Im just glad he hit it and people can move on after a day or two

Arkansas Bronco
08-08-2007, 07:41 AM
Thanks for the warning. TV will stay shut down and wont visit espn. The dude cheated and has never denied it. I am on the Arod bandwagon as of today cause he has a shot of killing Baroids record.

OrangeShadow
08-08-2007, 07:43 AM
im not on the bandwagon for anyone else to break it because we have to look at everyone suspisciously now.

rbackfactory80
08-08-2007, 08:14 AM
People who think steroids didn't play a huge part of it are idiots. Look at Brady Anderson. The most suspicious 50 home run hitter ever.

TheChamp24
08-08-2007, 08:19 AM
Oh man, I remember Brady Anderson. The dude who had like 60 career homeruns coming into the 1996 season, then cranks out 50, and then never hit more than 24 in a season again. I remember so many people saying "What the hell?" in regards to him, and also Henry Rodriguez. Remember him too?

Dukes
08-08-2007, 08:48 AM
I think anyone caught cheating should be stripped of their records. Pete Rose got banned from the league for betting, I'd say steroids are along those same lines. Unfortunately Bud Selig is in charge, and doesn't really care to do anything about it.

gunns
08-08-2007, 09:12 AM
cheated or not, people need to relax on him. The amount of crap this guy has had to put up with over the past few years (for something tons of other players did too) is incredible. If i were him, i woulda punched numerous people out by now. I think he's shown restraint. How do you expect him to act

People don't need to do anything in regards to this guy. The guy earned the crap. It wasn't just the steroids, that was the frosting and asterik on the cake. The guy is a me only guy, his teammates can't stand him, most fans can't stand him, he embarrassed his family publicly, and he earned that all by himself also. Restraint? He doesn't give a damn about what people think, this is all about him. Always has been. Not helping his team, the benefits they got from his homeruns were a sidenote that he could care less about. How do I expect him to act? Just like he has.

Tons of other players may have done it also, but we haven't heard them bold face lie about it or go about achieving a great record as if it were their skills alone. Those that have are reaping the disdain now.....see Mark McGwire who will be chasing the HOF in vain and has an asterik by his achievements as well in many peoples minds. My amazement comes from people like you trying to tell us how to feel about this guy. The animosity people have towards him is something he truly earned himself. For me, Hank Aaron is still the homerun king and the crap he had to put up with was not earned, but the homerun record was.

BroncoBen
08-08-2007, 09:16 AM
Those of you bashing Bonds now were probably the same ones cheering McGwuire's and Sosa's chase of Maris' single season record. Why is Barry's feat so much different? Congrats to Barry.

Word..

TailgateNut
08-08-2007, 09:25 AM
Celebrating the accomplishments of a cheating asshole of epic porportions! How nice!

rbackfactory80
08-08-2007, 09:37 AM
Oh man, I remember Brady Anderson. The dude who had like 60 career homeruns coming into the 1996 season, then cranks out 50, and then never hit more than 24 in a season again. I remember so many people saying "What the hell?" in regards to him, and also Henry Rodriguez. Remember him too?

Sure do. I don't understand why guys like that aren't looked at harder. You could learn a lot about how beneficial steroids really are.

theAPAOps5
08-08-2007, 10:04 AM
http://r_harrison.tripod.com/Agonist/BarryBonds.jpg

theAPAOps5
08-08-2007, 10:13 AM
Those of you bashing Bonds now were probably the same ones cheering McGwuire's and Sosa's chase of Maris' single season record. Why is Barry's feat so much different? Congrats to Barry.

Sorry but that is a dumb argument. First of all that was before the whole steroids thing came about. Secondly it was because of those players that Barry supposedly starting juicing and after 1997 is when his numbers really started to jump. Most people if you asked them today would despise the fact that those two were even applauded for their feats. Third, Barry has continually tried to hide or deny he used roids. He beat out a guy who earned his record and who had to play in a time where he endured constant racism and even death threats , yet continued to play with class. Barry Bonds has no clue what the term class means.

RaiderH8r
08-08-2007, 10:23 AM
Steroids or not, this guy went out there night after night hitting homers. There is no need to put an asterisk next to his name, oh no, but to put an Asterisk next to MLB*. I'm sure Bonds has faced plenty of HGHed Pitchers and I'm sure the Hall of Fame has steroid users. Sosa is probably the only guy hitting homers without steroids since he corked his bats instead.

Also, I'm still a bit skeptical about Bond's Steroid use, I can't say I entirely believe all of the myths behind it. Anyway, Congrats Bonds. Next destination HR #800.

Costas pretty much owned Bonds' a$$ on Mike and Mike this morning. I'll try to find the link/transcript. Bottom line is MellonHead is no hero, no superman, and certainly no home run king. 756* is now just a number and carries little meaning. Bud Selig needs an asterisk as much as Barroid but Selig's name isn't in any record books and he certainly didn't touch "the cream and the clear".

RaiderH8r
08-08-2007, 10:33 AM
Bonds is a complete Ahole and deserves everything he gets from pissed off fans. He treats reporters like crap from the days of his beginnings of MLB. Ask any reporter on him tha tisnt from SF. I love baseball but I hope they find out the truth on McGwire and Bonds so Astericks can go by their record. It is already suspected, let us know the full truth from the grand jury. The proof is out there.

Forget the asterisk. Wipe their ENTIRE records clean. Just put into the books:

Barry Bonds: Played, all records invalid due to steroid use
Mark McGwire: Played, all records invalid due to steroid use
Raphael Palmero: Played, all records invalid due to steroid use

and so on and so forth. Teams with convicted users should also be bumped to the bottom of the draft and all other teams bumped up to take those spots. Eat it! This would be particularly damning in the NFL and perhaps send a worthwhile message.

Arkansas Bronco
08-08-2007, 10:36 AM
Sorry but that is a dumb argument. First of all that was before the whole steroids thing came about. Secondly it was because of those players that Barry supposedly starting juicing and after 1997 is when his numbers really started to jump. Most people if you asked them today would despise the fact that those two were even applauded for their feats. Third, Barry has continually tried to hide or deny he used roids. He beat out a guy who earned his record and who had to play in a time where he endured constant racism and even death threats , yet continued to play with class. Barry Bonds has no clue what the term class means.

I was wrong that year of the McGuire and Sosa because I started yelling juiced ball about mid-season never having a clue of the roids. But from watching MLB for over 20 years and just seen a few approach 50 and shortly off a strike I had a feeling something was fixed. I thought all of it was a scam to get people back never realy thinking that a large part of the players were juicing. Barry stole (literaly) this record.

TheChamp24
08-08-2007, 10:59 AM
its MCGWIRE, Mark McGwire. Come on people, you're killing me here.

BroncoBuff
08-08-2007, 11:15 AM
F him ....


VOTE IN MY POLL: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=59213

Hotrod
08-08-2007, 11:25 AM
Hes a disgrace to the game and America itself.........enough said

dbfan4life
08-08-2007, 11:37 AM
its MCGWIRE, Mark McGwire. Come on people, you're killing me here.

Who gives a ****. He's a cheater just the same.

Sorry but that is a dumb argument. First of all that was before the whole steroids thing came about. Secondly it was because of those players that Barry supposedly starting juicing and after 1997 is when his numbers really started to jump. Most people if you asked them today would despise the fact that those two were even applauded for their feats. Third, Barry has continually tried to hide or deny he used roids. He beat out a guy who earned his record and who had to play in a time where he endured constant racism and even death threats , yet continued to play with class. Barry Bonds has no clue what the term class means.

I'm not saying Barry didn't cheat. I could care less that he never got caught. All I know was that Barry's not the only one to use and deny. There are many others who have used and have not even been questioned. Why? Because they sucked. Being stronger doesn't help you suck less. I don't think performane enhancers helped Barry's hand-eye coordination. Did they? Maybe instead of blasting 500 ft shots he would have only hit the ball 400 ft. Still a HR. **** it. It's his record and I'm glad I got to see it happen.

TheDave
08-08-2007, 11:39 AM
It is what it is.... now does he retire at the end of this year, or does he DH for someone else to pad his record?

RaiderH8r
08-08-2007, 11:49 AM
Who gives a ****. He's a cheater just the same.



I'm not saying Barry didn't cheat. I could care less that he never got caught. All I know was that Barry's not the only one to use and deny. There are many others who have used and have not even been questioned. Why? Because they sucked. Being stronger doesn't help you suck less. I don't think performane enhancers helped Barry's hand-eye coordination. Did they? Maybe instead of blasting 500 ft shots he would have only hit the ball 400 ft. Still a HR. **** it. It's his record and I'm glad I got to see it happen.

Why is it a bigger story when the President breaks the law than when a regular citizen breaks the law? Answer, the President is a bigger figure. The same applies to Barroid, if he weren't breaking the record or in the game for that matter the scrutiny would fall elsewhere. But none of that is the case, the case is that Barroid admitted to using, he just "didn't know" it was juice so he's playing people for fools.

And yes, steroids increase muscle mass and muscle control, he's more able to wield the bat with more control, he's able to increase his power, hell he even said that balls that used to go off the wall or were popouts were now leaving the yard and he didn't know why. Horsesheet, he knew why but once again he's playing the public for fools. The juice gave him more lean muscle and fast twitch muscle mass that allows him to move the bat more quickly through the strike zone. They also increase his stamina and longevity and shorten the amount of time required for recouperation so instead of giving way to age like all athletes do, he IMPROVES his numbers. He goes from 1 hr/roughly 20 ABs in his first 11 years in the league to 1hr/roughly 10 ABs his last 11 in the league. Furthermore, even with the juice he still requires about every 3rd night off to rest his rickety a$$. F Barroid, he's not worthy of the record as a human being or as a player. He's done nothing to advance the game beyond what has always mattered most to him, Barroid. He's taken a number once held in awe and glory and summarily crapped on it. Now it's just a question of who can use more juice, faster without getting caught to break it because hell, if Barroid can break the record on the "cream and the clear" why the **** should anybody else NOT use?

Why bother telling your children not to cheat in school if their justification is, "Well the other kids do it too." sits all to well with you, and judging from some of the replies on the board, it does and that bothers me even more than Barroid's sham, and that's saying a lot.

Oh, PS: Bud Selig.....FOOOK YOU TOO! You colossal, driveling, middling, spineless ass clown for letting the long term validity and image of the game suffer because of your indifference, complacency, and/or compliance in turning a blind eye to this travesty all to bolster attendance to fans too stupid to appreciate a pitcher's duel or manufacturing runs with fundamental baseball. You're no better than Vince McMahon. So, to you I say...again....FOOOOK YOU!

Hotrod
08-08-2007, 11:53 AM
Why is it a bigger story when the President breaks the law than when a regular citizen breaks the law? Answer, the President is a bigger figure. The same applies to Barroid, if he weren't breaking the record or in the game for that matter the scrutiny woudl fall elsewhere. But none of that is the case, the case is that Barroid admitted to using he just "didn't know" it was juice so he's playing people for fools.

And yes, steroids increase muscle mass and muscle control, he's more able to wield the bat with more control, he's able to increase his power, hell he even said that balls that used to go off the wall or were popouts were now leaving the yard and he didn't know why. Horsesheet, he knew why but once again he's playing the public for fools. The juice gave him more lean muscle and fast twitch muscle mass that allows him to move the bat more quickly through the strike zone. They also increase his stamina and longevity and shorten the amount of time required for recouperation so instead of giving way to age like all athletes do, he IMPROVES his numbers. He goes from 1 hr/roughly 20 ABs in his first 11 years in the league to 1hr/roughly 10 ABs his last 11 in the league. Furthermore, even with the juice he still requires about every 3rd night off to rest his rickety a$$. F Barroid, he's not worthy of the record as a human being or a player. He's done nothing to advance the game beyond what has always mattered most to him, Barroid. He's taken a number once held in awe and glory and summarily crapped on it. Now it's just a question of who can use more juice, faster without getting caught to break it because hell, if Barroid can break the record on the "cream and the clear" why the **** should anybody else NOT use?

Why bother telling your children not to cheat in school if their justification is, "Well the other kids do it too." sits all to well with you, and judging from some it does and that bothers me even more than Barroid's sham, and that's saying a lot.

Oh, PS: Bud Selig.....FOOOK YOU TOO! You colossal, driveling, middling, spineless ass clown for letting the long term validity and image of the game suffer because of your indifference, complacency, and/or compliance in turning a blind eye to this travesty all to bolster attendance to fans too stupid to appreciate a pitcher's duel or manufacturing runs with fundamental baseball. You're no better than Vince McMahon. So, to you I say...again....FOOOOK YOU!

Simply one of the best posts I've EVER read on the Mane. :thumbsup:

Garcia Bronco
08-08-2007, 12:02 PM
Roids do not just increase muscle mass. You still have to lift. Steriods allow the body to heal faster so you can lift more frequently.
And baseball has been talking performance enhancing drugs since the 60's...so don't just blame Selig. Bottom line...the sport has gotten exactly what it deserves and so have the fans. Because they know what's going on and they still show up for the games. My guess is...it doesn't bother them.

BroncoBuff
08-08-2007, 12:22 PM
People who think steroids didn't play a huge part of it are idiots. Look at Brady Anderson. The most suspicious 50 home run hitter ever.
So true ... so true! Lil' Brady, the singles-hitting O's center-fielder. Everybody thought it was the BALLS that were juiced, remember? :~ohyah!: I saw a TV report back then from Dominican/Haiti where the balls are made, and they claimed they were all made the same! I was SOOO skeptical of that report. Remember how Fay Vincent kept denying the balls were "juiced"? Turns out HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AFTER ALL! ROFL!




Ahh, we were all so naive back in the day ...

SonOfLe-loLang
08-08-2007, 02:19 PM
People don't need to do anything in regards to this guy. The guy earned the crap. It wasn't just the steroids, that was the frosting and asterik on the cake. The guy is a me only guy, his teammates can't stand him, most fans can't stand him, he embarrassed his family publicly, and he earned that all by himself also. Restraint? He doesn't give a damn about what people think, this is all about him. Always has been. Not helping his team, the benefits they got from his homeruns were a sidenote that he could care less about. How do I expect him to act? Just like he has.

Tons of other players may have done it also, but we haven't heard them bold face lie about it or go about achieving a great record as if it were their skills alone. Those that have are reaping the disdain now.....see Mark McGwire who will be chasing the HOF in vain and has an asterik by his achievements as well in many peoples minds. My amazement comes from people like you trying to tell us how to feel about this guy. The animosity people have towards him is something he truly earned himself. For me, Hank Aaron is still the homerun king and the crap he had to put up with was not earned, but the homerun record was.


I'm not saying you have to cheer him as a conquering hero, i'm saying he's treated as if he's Osama Bin Laden for 1) doing something 50 percent of the league was doing and 2) being surly...like thats unique in sports. Bonds was a great player before this (a 3 time mvp) and, with it, he became super human. Sure, I get it, he cheated, im not saying he should be hailed as the greatest thing alive, im just saying the crap he must deal with on a daily basis is probably unfair. I'm sure he hears some pretty awful crap screamed in his direction that no one needs to hear on a daily basis.

If you wanna consider Hank Aaron your home run king, do so, but its not like Neifi Perez is hitting 50 home runs. It's not ALLL the steriods. I'm just sayin people need to relax and not get all up and arms over something like this.l

Lidderer
08-08-2007, 02:37 PM
If you wanna consider Hank Aaron your home run king, do so, but its not like Neifi Perez is hitting 50 home runs. It's not ALLL the steriods. I'm just sayin people need to relax and not get all up and arms over something like this.l


You know what's kinda funny?

Hank had a HR 1 in every 16.4 ABs.

Barry (pre-balco[2000 and prior]) had 1 in every 15 ABs.

Hank's IBB: 293
Barry's (we're just talking pre-balco here, as in excluding the last 8 years) IBB: 296

It's borderline insane that Barry also had more BBs by 2000 than Hank did during his entire career.

RaiderH8r
08-08-2007, 02:50 PM
I'm not saying you have to cheer him as a conquering hero, i'm saying he's treated as if he's Osama Bin Laden for 1) doing something 50 percent of the league was doing and 2) being surly...like thats unique in sports. Bonds was a great player before this (a 3 time mvp) and, with it, he became super human. Sure, I get it, he cheated, im not saying he should be hailed as the greatest thing alive, im just saying the crap he must deal with on a daily basis is probably unfair. I'm sure he hears some pretty awful crap screamed in his direction that no one needs to hear on a daily basis.

If you wanna consider Hank Aaron your home run king, do so, but its not like Neifi Perez is hitting 50 home runs. It's not ALLL the steriods. I'm just sayin people need to relax and not get all up and arms over something like this.l
The guy's a cheat and, for my part, I will continue to call him out on it in every forum and at every opportunity because it is precisely what he deserves. He's playing people for fools. When he was a bean pole he was putting up good enough numbers to get Hall consideration. But nooooooooo those numbers didn't match his ego so he took the spike, hit the cream and the clear, and now he has a melon that can fit his ego and most of the northern hemisphere for his effort.

Doesn't matter if it is all due to juice or not, there is absolutely no way to tell. One thing is perfectly clear, by his own admission he has cast a dark cloud of suspicion over his entire career. Some just choose to bask in Barroid's sunshine smiles of bullsh!t and call it a clear day.

Lidderer
08-08-2007, 02:58 PM
When he was a bean pole he was putting up good enough numbers to get Hall consideration. .


"consideration"? Are you kidding me? He won 3 MVPs in 4 years, and came 2nd the year he didn't win. He was about as obvious a first ballot HOFer as there is. He invented the 400/400 club.

Lidderer
08-08-2007, 03:01 PM
Some just choose to bask in Barroid's sunshine smiles of bullsh!t and call it a clear day.

It's ridiculous how people claim they are going against the grain by claiming hatred for the guy, as though there are really people out there "choos[ing] to bask in [barry's] sunshine smiles...]. Where are these people? And stop basking in your sunshine grandstanding bull****.

RaiderH8r
08-08-2007, 03:14 PM
It's ridiculous how people claim they are going against the grain by claiming hatred for the guy, as though there are really people out there "choos[ing] to bask in [barry's] sunshine smiles...]. Where are these people? And stop basking in your sunshine grandstanding bull****.

"Going against the grain"? I've never claimed that I've taken my position because I want to go against the grain. Furthermore I resent your implication. I don't give a tinker's f()ck what way the grain is going. I'm going my way.

Those basking in Barroid's BS are the same ones justifying/excusing/rationalizing/spinning/working around/parsing words and any other such horsheet related to Barroid's cheating. Barroid did wrong.

Where were the apologists for Canseco? Who was the a-hole before the Congressional hearings? Canseco. Who was the only one who came out of that circus NOT looking like a clown? Canseco. Canseco's an a-hole, he's doubly a-hole because he didn't do something about his use when he was playing because that probably would have interfered with his house/porsche payments and womanizing. Canseco's full blown asshattery notwithstanding, he was the only honest f()cker up there. But where are Canseco apologists, nobody saying, "Well everybody else was doing it, why is he villainized?"

Where are the McGwire apologists? Palmero? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

SonOfLe-loLang
08-08-2007, 03:47 PM
Who is basking in his "bs?" Is anyone outside of San Fran even celebrating this? And even those people can't get asterisk out of their minds. Right after he hit it, all ESPN would talk about were the merits of the record.

Wes Mantooth
08-09-2007, 11:57 PM
Romo said he didn't start using roids until 2001.

Then all is well and legitimate in Bronco Land.

Wes Mantooth
08-09-2007, 11:59 PM
Roids do not just increase muscle mass. You still have to lift. Steriods allow the body to heal faster so you can lift more frequently.
And baseball has been talking performance enhancing drugs since the 60's...so don't just blame Selig. Bottom line...the sport has gotten exactly what it deserves and so have the fans. Because they know what's going on and they still show up for the games. My guess is...it doesn't bother them.

Wasn't "The Clear" HGH stuff? That would increase skelatal size (i.e. you continue to grow). Also, didn't that stuff improve fast twitch muscle reaction / strength?

broncocalijohn
08-10-2007, 12:25 AM
Those of you bashing Bonds now were probably the same ones cheering McGwuire's and Sosa's chase of Maris' single season record. Why is Barry's feat so much different? Congrats to Barry.

Dude, doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that we were rooting for two guys that we thought we just on vitamin or whatever came in that big tub. It wasnt illegal and MLB didnt say anything. Ask us the same about the two guys and others now. Bonds lets everyone go to jail for his roid rampage. He is guilty. He is also the biggest a hole around which is not the case for McGwire and Sosa who are very likable. Regardless if people are one side of this or not for hating or liking barry, the fact remains he cheated. He was already a superstar but couldnt handle being 2nd fiddle to the first cheats. Barry won MVPs before his alleged steroid use. Who is going to remember that? He tarnished his legacy. He would have been one of the top players of all time without the roids. He couldnt just be "one of the..." . He needed to be "The best" regardless at what cost. I now believe his head didnt expand from Roids but from his ego. F U Bonds.

Garcia Bronco
08-10-2007, 12:45 PM
Wasn't "The Clear" HGH stuff? That would increase skelatal size (i.e. you continue to grow). Also, didn't that stuff improve fast twitch muscle reaction / strength?

I am be no means an HGH expert. The Dave is probably one of the better resources here. I would doubt that HGH would increase reaction times.

broncocalijohn
08-10-2007, 07:15 PM
he went from over 17 AB per homerun to 9 AB per homerun when everyone else goes down in production because of age. Amazing he comes to camp one year with a bigger shoe and head and then proceeds to have a phenom of almost 8 year period. But Nooooo, roids didnt do that. He admitted he took the cream. Sheffield tried to lie about working out with him in the off season and it was all natural. Guess who got caught taking the same crap as Bonds? Hmmm. Could it be Gary himself? For those that love the cheater, at least come out and admit he did and you dont care. Also, let us know that you will be proud of your kids who study real hard for their tests but still use the cheat sheet to find the answers faster and proceeded to get the highest grade in the class. After all, you want to be consistent on cheating overall, right?