Khan's super interview with Moss

[SoCalBronco]

Check it out...great stuff......

Moss making all the right moves
By Kaylore
Jul 31, 2007, 19:28

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Defensive End, Jarvis Moss was exhausted when he walked off the field carrying his teammates’ equipment, and with good reason. In addition to hauling equipment around for the veterans, a sort of rookie right of passage, the Broncos’ first round pick has proven to be something of a workhorse and in three days of practice has left everything on the field.

The first impression when you first lay eyes on the former Gator is how tall and slender he is. At six-feet and six-inches, Moss towers over everyone. The roster lists him at 265, but anyone who is familiar with "official" roster weight knows that they seem to always list heavier than the guy looks. Moss looks to be closer to 240. Whatever his weight is, Moss's long arms were giving offensive linemen trouble all afternoon.

Some have wondered if his slight build will limit the number of times and circumstances in which he can be used this year. Moss isn't hearing any of it, choosing to focus instead on the things that he does have control over. “I hear things about my size but I don’t listen to this or that. I just do what my coaches tell me to do and try to help in any way that I can.” But aren't there concerns about size affecting how an end plays. "No. You see it's not about size; It's about technique. If you have good technique then you do a lot more."

Jarvis has been doing just that. While he often appears winded late in practice, it must be remembered that when he’s not lining up with the second and first team at defensive end, Moss is also a gunner on the special teams unit – an area where he was a playmaker during his time at Florida. for Moss this is just one more way of showing his commitment to the organization that drafted him. “I’ll do anything. I play special teams and I’ve been doing that since college. I just wanna help.”

The extra help means extra effort, and that means less energy to spare throughout the day. Moss understands that dealing with fatigue is part of training camp and learning to be a pro. Taking better care of your body is a lesson that Jarvis seems to have learned already. “I’m just trying to push through it and contribute. I’m taking care of my body. In college I would just ignore bruise here or a nick there. Now I’m getting rest and massages and taking care of myself.”

The most impressive thing about Moss in watching him in practice is the skill set that he attempting to build. He takes to coaching well and also is willing to listen to the other veterans on the team. During a series of drills, Moss was finding that his speed rush moves were being countered very effectively and he was not winning his matchups as well as he had the day before. “I tried some speed moves and they kind of weren’t working” Moss points out “So it was John Engelberger and Sam Adams actually who said ‘why not try a power move?’ So I went out there and got through.” The following play Moss faked the power move he had just used and then went back to a speed move. The ruse worked and Moss was through the line once again.

There is a lot of promise, but ultimately all these things must be taken to the next level for a true assessment to be made on how any rookie works out. Training camp is not a preseason game, and neither hold a candle to the speed of regular season games. However, Moss has a lot of things going for him: His athleticism, his work ethic, and his selfless attitude. More than all those, I think his ability to listen, learn and immediately use the techniques he is taught is what will make him a success for the Broncos and in the NFL.



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[Kaylore]

Thanks dewd. :)

[no-pseudo-fan]

Great job Khan! I am wondering with all the raving about Moss, how you don't see him as a starter this year?

[Bronco LB 59]

You gotta love a 1st round pick DE who is willing to play special teams.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Front page is kind of f***** up. Page down to 28th stories.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You guys need an editor. Decent article, though.

[DenverBrit]

You guys need an editor like I need another plate of meatloaf topped with pizza slices.
Decent article, though, I wish I could write half as well, but I'm really all about fluff, drama.......and food.

We noticed.

[Requiem]

Great stuff. You guys also said Crowder was working with a special teams unit as well? That's great news. Thomas and Moss were pretty solid special teams players at Florida being able to block kicks, and this sort of article re-inforces the importance of special teams contributions when factoring in the decision to draft a player.

A few years ago Jim Goodman said that it's one of the top things they look for when drafting players not only on the second day, but the first day as well.

Great article, ignore Bobo. :)

[footstepsfrom#27]

"No. You see it's not about size; It's about technique. If you have good technique then you do a lot more."
Not sure I like hearing he's not concerned about putting on weight...if that's what he's suggesting.

[Requiem]

That's not what he's suggesting, he's saying that proper technique will go a lot further in terms of success than him putting on weight.

If you've paid attention to any other articles on the off-season, he has been changing his diet, and he has been putting on weight.

So no, that's not what he's saying at all.

[Merlin]

Nice article Kaylore, but it is not an interview per say...his replies constitute less than 10% of the "interview". However, it reads well when treated as an article. Nicely done.

[SoCalBronco]

If you've paid attention to any other articles on the off-season, he has been changing his diet, and he has been putting on weight.

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Yeah, there was an article a few weeks ago talking about how he added some weight...but he still needs to add alot more, he is rail thin. When we first saw him on Sunday, I joked with Khan that Moss looked like he needed to be on the Bob diet. Now that I think about it though, that probably would not be a good idea since Jarvis needs to add good weight not bad weight. :)

[azbroncfan]

Yeah, there was an article a few weeks ago talking about how he added some weight...but he still needs to add alot more, he is rail thin. When we first saw him on Sunday, I joked with Khan that Moss looked like he needed to be on the Bob diet. Now that I think about it though, that probably would not be a good idea since Jarvis needs to add good weight not bad weight. :)

His metabolism is probably so high he can eat himself sick and not gain wieght.

[Requiem]

Yeah, there was an article a few weeks ago talking about how he added some weight...but he still needs to add alot more, he is rail thin. When we first saw him on Sunday, I joked with Khan that Moss looked like he needed to be on the Bob diet. Now that I think about it though, that probably would not be a good idea since Jarvis needs to add good weight not bad weight. :)

True story. Thing is, he can put on some muscle mass and weight, but it'll be hard as hell for him to keep it on through camp, pre-season and the course of the season. He'll have this next off-season to be truly dedicated to the weight room and put on some bulk. Where I think he can get a little bigger this year, it'll probably be a few years before he grows into his frame.

Sent ya some shout outs on my blog again: http://broncosdraft.wordpress.com/

Oh, and if you didn't get my CP - I already have some money in the "Camp Funds" savings account I opened the other day after my direct deposit came in. So, I have a year to save up - no excuses. ^5

[RunSilentRunDeep]

Great job Kaylore. Anyone else cringing at Moss being a gunner? Last thing I want to happen is him pulling a hammy running 50 yards down the field on a punt. Let the WRs and DBs be gunners.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Hey Khan, he only looks 240. I bet he is closer to the 270 that the Post reported. With that frame, he has plenty of room to spread that weight around. with his height and long arms, he will get twice as many deflected passes and blocked kicks as he will sacks. We'll be calling him the human fly swatter.

[Kaylore]

Nice article Kaylore, but it is not an interview per say...his replies constitute less than 10% of the "interview". However, it reads well when treated as an article. Nicely done.

Well to be fair, I didn't label it an interview, SoCal did. It was listed under "columns". I did post a true interview with special teams coach Scott O'Brien on the front page too, though. ;D

[Kaylore]

Hey Khan, he only looks 240. I bet he is closer to the 270 that the Post reported. With that frame, he has plenty of room to spread that weight around. with his height and long arms, he will get twice as many deflected passes and blocked kicks as he will sacks. We'll be calling him the human fly swatter.

I think he looks closer to 240. I got a pretty good look at him with his pads off and there is PLENTY of room to grow. His chest and arms are especially underdeveloped. He's cut, but not very big.

[Broncoman13]

Jarvis Moss looks like a shorter version of Kevin Garnett! Cut but not very big. Not to worry though, there have been plenty of great DE's that were under 255 lbs. I'll take the speed and leverage at the moment. When he adds the strength and uses it to compliment the speed and leverage... WHOA! LOOK OUT!

[footstepsfrom#27]

That's not what he's suggesting, he's saying that proper technique will go a lot further in terms of success than him putting on weight.

If you've paid attention to any other articles on the off-season, he has been changing his diet, and he has been putting on weight.

So no, that's not what he's saying at all.
Well if he's been putting on weight and he still only looks like he's 240, then he must have a long way to go to get anywhere where they're probably wanting him. I think it's going to be 2008 before we really get to see what he's capable of.

[theAPAOps5]

It will be interesting to see what happens now that he has gotten ride of the staph infection, has money, and has a pro stength and conditioning regimen. Like Req said it won't be during the season but I bet next years camp a lot of people will be going whoa!

[Broncoman13]

It will be interesting to see what happens now that he has gotten ride of the staph infection, has money, and has a pro stength and conditioning regimen. Like Req said it won't be during the season but I bet next years camp a lot of people will be going whoa!

I don't know... I think he could add the weight in his chest and shoulders and people would still 'look' at him and think he's a bean pole. He's just long and it's going to be very hard for him to have the look of killing machine. He's not gonna look like Julius Peppers...ever. I'm hoping for another 10-15 lbs and that's only to anchor down vs the run. He's been showing the ability to suprise with a power rush... but that's mainly b/c his speed rush keeps lineman guessing/cautious.

[CBF1]

Your best work yet, Excellent job:haw!: :haw!: Kahn for president :haw!: :haw!:

[footstepsfrom#27]

I don't know... I think he could add the weight in his chest and shoulders and people would still 'look' at him and think he's a bean pole. He's just long and it's going to be very hard for him to have the look of killing machine. He's not gonna look like Julius Peppers...ever. I'm hoping for another 10-15 lbs and that's only to anchor down vs the run. He's been showing the ability to suprise with a power rush... but that's mainly b/c his speed rush keeps lineman guessing/cautious.
Well his current size and body type is the product of illness and the inability to develop naturally for the past two years because of his condition, so I have to think that if he's over that stuff then he can put on weight and strength like any other player. Ultimately the guy ought to at least be able to get to 260 or better, but even at that weight he's going to be on the light side and will have to make up for it in other ways.

[baja]

Maybe he has worms

[no-pseudo-fan]

I just want him to get stronger. If he lanky, that is fine with me. I don't want to see he get bulky, just to get bulky. His athletism is going to result in a lot of sacks, batted down quick outs, and turnovers. If he can put on 15 to 25 pounds of muscle, and keep his athletism that would be great. I think that about 270, should be the max for him to reach. Have you seen Jason Taylor?

[Mediator12]

One thing that continually amazes me about fans is their infatuation with Body type over football ability. Their have been some AMAZING players that are in the HOF that would struggle to get a break from people because they are too short, too light, to this or that to be the Prototype generic position player ;D

What matters at this level is the ability to translate that athletic ability into on field performance. Period. There is no ride Height meter that says Elvis dumervil can not play because he is a 5'11 DE. In fact, the guys who lack prototypical physical sttributes are usually much stronger mentally than those who do. And as everyone SHOULD know, the pro game is way more mental than physical. It is why over 50% of rookies never make it in the NFL. They lack the mental, NOT physical skills to compete and excel at this level.

I for One have been touting Moss since January in the draft forum's. He fits this scheme perfectly, is a quick learner, and still has tremendous upside. That is the definition of a first round draft grade. Way too many people focus on what players SUPPOSEDLY can not do coming out of college and not enough on what they can do. Moss will instantly upgrade a pathetic pass rush. He is a pure instinctual pass rusher. That can not be tought. The rest of it can be taught, worked on, and developed.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Moss is about 6-6 250-260... For those who think size is an issue I give you the Defensive Player of the Year last season.


<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="player"># 99 Jason Taylor</td> <td rowspan="2" align="right" width="134">http://images.nfl.com/images/helmets/134x121/MIA.gif (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/MIA)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td width="70">http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/4370.jpg</td> <td class="playerbio"> Position: DE
Height: 6-6
Weight: 255
Born: 09/01/1974
College: Akron
NFL Experience: 11
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[Mediator12]

As far as Bob goes, Anyone who creates a sentence fragment with only an implied verb ought to shut up about other peoples writing and needing an editor. However, you can expect his weak ego to lash out at people who threaten him. It is all he knows...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

As far as Bob goes, Anyone who creates a sentence fragment with only an implied verb ought to shut up about other peoples writing and needing an editor. However, you can expect his weak ego to lash out at people who threaten him. It is all he knows...

I was just offering some constructive criticism. The info was good, it was just a little rough around the edges. Keep up the good work, Kaylore!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Jarvis Moss looks like a shorter version of Kevin Garnett! Cut but not very big. Not to worry though, there have been plenty of great DE's that were under 255 lbs. I'll take the speed and leverage at the moment. When he adds the strength and uses it to compliment the speed and leverage... WHOA! LOOK OUT!Huh? Are we talking about modern present day football? 255 is LB size in the NFL now.

[alkemical]

Huh? Are we talking about modern present day football? 255 is LB size in the NFL now.

Yeah, there are lots of de's who are 255.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yeah, there are lots of de's who are 255.There are? Who are they (the great ones)?

EDIT: Well, looking through the top 30 defensive linemen in sacks last year, 3 were 255 or less so I guess there are a few. Just seems that under 250 at 6'6" is really light to me.

[Mediator12]

Huh? Are we talking about modern present day football? 255 is LB size in the NFL now.

There was the fifth round rookie named Mark anderson who played for CHI last year as a Pass rush specialist. He is 6'4 255 and he had 12 sacks in limited opportunities as a Rookie. He was my favorite pass rusher coming out in the draft and I like Moss much better this year. He has an even better first step and better use of his hands.

As for 255 being the LB size of todays NFL, that is a myth. It is another overgeneralization of the prototype eveyone wants a first round player to be. Sure, everyone wants the freaks like Julian Peterson, Adalius Thomas, Shawne Merriman, and Demarcus Ware. That is where the 255 guys are prevalent are in the number of 3-4 LB's. However, there are maybe 7-8 guys that are that heavy and have that kind of skill set in the ENTIRE NFL.

As teams play more Cover two, the average LB weight Drops in the NFL. It is all about using the talent you have to make a whole.

Here is the list of top tackling LB's last year:

1 Zach Thomas MIA 165 103.0 62 10
2 DeMeco Ryans HOU 155 125.0 30 6
3 London Fletcher-Baker BUF 146 104.0 42 11 He is 258
4 Keith Bulluck TEN 143 99.0 44 7
5 Cato June IND 142 96.0 46 4
6 Donnie Edwards SD 141 97.0 44 7
7 Brian Urlacher CHI 141 92.0 49 9 He is 258
8 Antonio Pierce NYG 137 107.0 30 9
9 Keith Brooking ATL 136 95.0 41 1
10 Lance Briggs CHI 130 109.0 21 10
11 Kirk Morrison OAK 127 101.0 26 5
12 James Farrior PIT 126 83.0 43 6
13 Ernie Sims DET 124 81.0 43 1
14 Lofa Tatupu SEA 122 91.0 31 7
16 Derrick Brooks TB 121 96.0 25 5
17 Gary Brackett IND 120 85.0 35 2
18 A.J. Hawk GB 119 82.0 37 8 He is 246, so he barely qualifies ;D
19 Jonathan Vilma NYJ 113 66.0 47 5
20 Will Witherspoon STL 113 99.0 14 8
21 Tedy Bruschi NE 112 54.0 58 6 He is 247

I highlighted the LB's over 245 pounds. Number 15 was a safety so, i removed him from the lis and Added Bruschi.

That means only four of the top tackling Lb's were over 245, let alone 2 were over 255. Remember, these are listed Weights and they may be exagerrated as well.

[Florida_Bronco]

As far as Bob goes, Anyone who creates a sentence fragment with only an implied verb ought to shut up about other peoples writing and needing an editor. However, you can expect his weak ego to lash out at people who threaten him. It is all he knows...

It's probably just an inferiority complex because his own camp reports are so basic that I could have wrote them when I was 14. Rather than learn something about the game of football, it's easier to just cut down someone else's work.

[Popcorn Sutton]

There are? Who are they (the great ones)?

Jason Taylor, Adawale Ogunleye, John Abraham, Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, Terrell Suggs, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila to name a few.

Oh, don't forget Dumervil. :welcome:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There was the fifth round rookie named Mark anderson who played for CHI last year as a Pass rush specialist. He is 6'4 255 and he had 12 sacks in limited opportunities as a Rookie. He was my favorite pass rusher coming out in the draft and I like Moss much better this year. He has an even better first step and better use of his hands.
As for 255 being the LB size of todays NFL, that is a myth.
Yeah I ran the top defensive linemen sack stats and out of the top 30, 3 were 255 or less.

I know most linebackers are in the 235 - 240 range but they keep getting bigger every year.

[orange 4 life]

You guys need an editor. Decent article, though.

thanks for the critique dipsh!t.

he goes to ALOT of work to provide that info, so either compliment him or STFU.

[Mediator12]

Yeah I ran the top defensive linemen sack stats and out of the top 30, 3 were 255 or less.

I know most linebackers are in the 235 - 240 range but they keep getting bigger every year.

Yeah, but those guys are also listed above what they play. Taylor, Anderson, Burgess, Okeafor, Dumervil, and Mathis are all the same lanky style pass rusher's that Moss is right now. In fact, Mathis is the most likely comparable player in that group and he plays LDE for the Colts.

That Anderson and Dumervil were the two most successful pass rushers of the last rookie class certainly gives a hopeful outlook on what Jarvis could accomplish as a pure pass rush specialist this season. Both were similar body type and played limited snaps. It is not blind wishful thinking to think Moss can and will have immediate impact in obvious passing situations.

[Atwater His Ass]

Anyone who's ever been committed to bulking up and putting on muscle mass can tell you it doesn't happen over night. It is going to be difficult for Moss to add and keep any significant muscle mass this season. I would say that any mass he's gained this off-season will also be hard for him to keep on during the regular season.

Nest off-season will be key for Moss. I suspect by this time next year, he'll have filled out much more and should be able to keep it on and keep developing. I would think a decent target weight for Moss would be around 260-270.

Although I will agree that football ability matters more than prototypical size. However, having a bit of size will help with the beatings linemen take during the course of the season.

[Odysseus]

One thing that continually amazes me about fans is their infatuation with Body type over football ability. Their have been some AMAZING players that are in the HOF that would struggle to get a break from people because they are too short, too light, to this or that to be the Prototype generic position player ;D

What matters at this level is the ability to translate that athletic ability into on field performance. Period. There is no ride Height meter that says Elvis dumervil can not play because he is a 5'11 DE. In fact, the guys who lack prototypical physical sttributes are usually much stronger mentally than those who do. And as everyone SHOULD know, the pro game is way more mental than physical. It is why over 50% of rookies never make it in the NFL. They lack the mental, NOT physical skills to compete and excel at this level.

I for One have been touting Moss since January in the draft forum's. He fits this scheme perfectly, is a quick learner, and still has tremendous upside. That is the definition of a first round draft grade. Way too many people focus on what players SUPPOSEDLY can not do coming out of college and not enough on what they can do. Moss will instantly upgrade a pathetic pass rush. He is a pure instinctual pass rusher. That can not be tought. The rest of it can be taught, worked on, and developed.

People get obsessed if something is not "normal". Perhaps this guy breaks the mold. Give him a chance. Let's see what he's got going for him. His size is not THAT big an issue. He said everything that anyone for the guy has said since the beginning BODY MECHANICS...TECHNIQUE...How hard is this to get across.

Moss is the real deal. I'm thrilled to have this guy.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yeah, but those guys are also listed above what they play. Taylor, Anderson, Burgess, Okeafor, Dumervil, and Mathis are all the same lanky style pass rusher's that Moss is right now. In fact, Mathis is the most likely comparable player in that group and he plays LDE for the Colts.

That Anderson and Dumervil were the two most successful pass rushers of the last rookie class certainly gives a hopeful outlook on what Jarvis could accomplish as a pure pass rush specialist this season. Both were similar body type and played limited snaps. It is not blind wishful thinking to think Moss can and will have immediate impact in obvious passing situations.Dumervil is only 5-11 and Anderson is 6-4 and weigh the same (more than Jarvis apparently) :)

[dbfan4life]

Great job Kaylore. Anyone else cringing at Moss being a gunner? Last thing I want to happen is him pulling a hammy running 50 yards down the field on a punt. Let the WRs and DBs be gunners.

I, for one, am not worried about it. Odds are is that he won't be seeing full time duty so he has to contribute on ST. If he has the mindset to be gunner, then by all means, put him in and let him blow up some kick returners.

[DivineLegion]

Dumervil is only 5-11 and Anderson is 6-4 and weigh the same (more than Jarvis apparently) :)

Weight is the main concern here...Try pushing two objects of the same weight, one with a low center of gravity, and the other with a high spread out center of gravity. The later may be able to toppled easier if a significant amount of force is applied to the upper most region of the object. The first (with a low center of gravity) is hard to push over all together.

This is all significant if you can reach the top of the taller object and shift its weight backwards. If its an agile, quick, and flexible athlete your going to have alot more trouble, especialy if you cant get your hands on them. Thats why Jason Taylors and Micheal Strahans are so good. They are not only going to beat you with thier speed so you cant get good positioning on them, they are going to beat you with thier hands so you have no way of utilizing your leverage against thier tall spread out center of gravity.

Your smart you know how this works man

[telluride]

Pls stop quoting Bob.