Khan and SoCal 7/31 PM Reports

[SoCalBronco]

July 31 PM Report: Cutler and Graham connect
By SoCalBronco
Jul 31, 2007, 17:53

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QUARTERBACKS- Jay Cutler returned to form this afternoon. Like Sunday and Monday, Cutler was very sharp this afternoon, and not just on dump-offs or underneath throws. He hit on a large number of intermediate throws and was very accurate the entire afternoon, with the exception of the move the ball drills at the end of practice where he took some chances and had a few incompletions. He had his first interception of camp when the wide reciever bobbled the ball and Bly snatched it away. But I would give Jay an A for the afternoon practice after struggling a little this morning. Among his highlights were drilling back to back stick routes at the start of practice and a frozen rope to Brian Clark on a deep out and a sweet through on a post route and a deep route to Kircus. He also started to develop a little bit of chemistry with Dan Graham who had been struggling himself until this afternoon. He had a lot of really nice strikes this afternoon and did good work against the blitz as well. I am pleased to report that Ramsey built on his halfway decent morning by having an ok afternoon. He still isn’t good but he is becoming a little more comfortable with the offense and the number of terribly inaccurate throws he makes is on the (incremental) decline. While this morning the quarterbacks worked on bubble and jailbreak screens, this afternoon the quarterbacks got a lot of experience at running halfback and fullback screens, with also some wide receiver screens, as well. Khan and I both felt this was a positive development as the team has not relied on the screen much during the Shanahan era, but it is a useful tool in slowing down the pass rush and getting playmakers into space.

RUNNING BACKS- Coach Shanahan confirmed in his post-practice press conference that he gave Travis Henry the afternoon off. Not surprisingly, the running game suffered without him, as the backups were not able to run on either the first or second team front seven. Rookie Selvin Young continued to trip up on himself and others this afternoon and Khan remarked that he wouldn’t be surprised if Young was among the first wave of cuts.

WIDE RECEIVERS AND TIGHT ENDS- Dan Graham recovered from a poor morning and a mediocre camp (as far as catching the ball) with a very solid afternoon, catching a number of passes from Cutler and doing a little bit better at getting seperation from linebackers. He still was not much of a vertical threat (and the coaches did not even try to have him run those routes) but looks reliable as a hot route runner against the blitz. Nate Jackson also stood out, making a number of receptions. Mike Leach caught a nice deep post for his first real highlight in camp, but was otherwise quiet. I still believe this group is in dire need of Scheffler’s return. As far as the wide receivers, Javon Walker was given the afternoon off (that made Cutler’s performance even more impressive) but Stokley stepped up and like yesterday, really made a number of impressive plays, including a tough catch in traffic along the sideline. Right now there is little doubt that until Marshall and/or Smith return and prove themselves, Stokley has a stranglehold on the No. 2 position. He has really earned it and has been very impressive the last two days. His recovery has really been great. The rest of the recieving corps struggled, although Kircus had his usual couple of plays, Quincy Morgan made a brief appearance and Brian Clark had a nice deep reception. In his post practice press conference, Coach Shanahan confirmed that Domenik Hixon’s injury was just a minor seperation and that he could be back as early as tomorrow morning.

OFFENSIVE LINE- Some of the offensive linemen were given the afternoon off, but Khan and I still paid attention to the line drills. Chris Kuper recovered somewhat from his bad morning, although on one of the occasions on which he dominated a defensive lineman, it was only third stringer Emmanuel Akah. Chris Myers also was not as bad as the last few days and actually did a good job getting his hands on (and controlling) Marcus Thomas in the drill. Myers struggled greatly however in shotgun snaps. He constantly had some very low snaps from the gun. Jarvis Moss had one play where his first step just made Adam Meadows look stupid. Meadows is really struggling this camp and if we any quality depth whatsoever at tackle, he would be a candidate for early cuts. However, our tackle situation probably will save him (at least temporarily, probably longer than that). The only times I noticed Harris this afternoon was when he got beat and that did happen a few times, once to Dumervil and another time in 11 on 11 action to Moss.

DEFENSIVE LINE- Jarvis Moss was very good in the drills this afternoon. He is going to be scary soon, he really will. He keeps getting better every day. In the live action, he also had one would be sack. Dumervil did a nice job in the live action, getting two would be sacks. He really does a lot better of a job in live 11 on 11 action rather than in the 1 on 1 drills. Thomas was not as strong this afternoon as he was in the morning. He continued to run with the third and second teams in live action and when I focused in on him in live action, he had some struggles with the interior of the offensive line. Demetrin Veal had a poor drills session but got a good pass rush in the live action period. Kenny Peterson also got good pass rush in the 11 on 11 period. Tim Crowder continued to have a very solid day. Former St. Louis Ram Jimmy Kennedy did not look too good in the 1 on 1 drills but he did get some push in 11 on 11 action.

LINEBACKERS- Backup T.J. Hollowell almost had an interception. D.J. Williams and Nate Webster were especially good at getting out to the flats quick on outside run plays and swing passes. I also liked how D.J. is able to get some pressure coming through the middle. I continue to believe that D.D. Lewis is the best strongside prospect. He is showing some decent speed and is getting noticed. Cameron Vaughn finally made an appearance in stopping a run play at the line, but other than that he was very quiet as was Wesley Mallard and the rest of the backups.

SECONDARY- Bly had an interception after a reciever bobbled a Cutler pass. Stokley did beat Bly a few times and some of the backups caught some short 5 yard passes on him. Karl Paymah had his third straight strong day, especially in the red zone defending fades. Foxworth was very solid and showed very good speed in breaking up a pass in the endzone. He also got a good deal of work playing Free Safety. He looked good playing the deep middle in Cover 3. Since there was no tackling however, it is hard to know how good he would be tacking tight ends and wide recievers in space from the safety position. Last season ofcourse, he struggled in that particular area when placed at safety (especially at San Diego). In addition to being a special teams ace, Quentin Harris actually had a nice pass deflection today.


http://www.orangemane.com/article_744.php

Khan's report should be up very soon.

[Inkana7]

Nice report, SoCal. Paymah sounds like he'll be a pleasent surprise this season.

[Requiem]

Fanatastic news on Jarvis, Tim and some of our young defensive backs. Great reporting buddy. :)

[ksBRONCOfan]

You make me so happy!!!

[Bladerunner]

Thanks for this and all the reports...like many other junkies in here, I sit around jonesing for some well written, football savvy, news from camp. You guys are getting famous, but it's only because you are putting out the best TC fan product available.

Thanks again and keep it up.

[RkyMtnThunder]

I am a bit leery of our LBs. When is Gold expected to return? These other names do not install a ton of confidence in me. Of course, I am relying on you fans at Dove Valley to be our eyes - what do you see out of this motley assortment of backups and castoffs that now represent our LB depth? Is it a tight competition, or do you think there is something to be desired there?

[theAPAOps5]

O4L said his family were at practice and they said Cutler looked nowhere near game ready and he was worried. Granted its still week one but I didn't get that impression when I was there and reading your reports. I was curious if you guys could give your take.

Thanks for the report!

[SoCalBronco]

O4L said his family were at practice and they said Cutler looked nowhere near game ready and he was worried. Granted its still week one but I didn't get that impression when I was there and reading your reports. I was curious if you guys could give your take.

Thanks for the report!

In the morning I would agree with that. His morning practice today was so unlike the past two days that it did not look good. But his practice this afternoon was very, very good...again with the exception of the move the ball drills at the end when he took a few risks.

[ICON]

DEFENSIVE LINE- Jarvis Moss was very good in the drills this afternoon. He is going to be scary soon, he really will.

SoCalBronco
How soon do you think "Moss will be scary" This year ?Becuz I would be all kinds of happy if that happens . Thanks

[Kaylore]

Afternoon practice was quite hot and many of the veterans and stars were given the practice off to rest so the younger guys could get more reps. Bailey, Lynch, Henry, Walker, Nalen, Lepsis, Scheffler, Marshall, Gold, Hixon and Ekuban were all off the field.

The practice started with a lot of particulars in position work. I’ve felt that the coaching staff this year is more focused on specifics than they were in past years. There are a lot of technique drills that focus on everything from their stance and footwork to their hands and how they use them. Jarvis Moss revealed this morning that a specialist who works with a lot of the big name defense ends will be in camp this weekend to assist the defensive line specifically with their hand and wrist skills.

In the full drills and scrimmages we saw quite a bit. They ran a lot of screens and plays from the empty backfield. The screens were of every variety: bubble screens to the receivers and the tight ends, half back and fullback screens, and some play action screens as well.

Working from the empty backfield had mixed results. Imagine throwing to Stokely and Quincy Morgan as your primary receivers with Kircus and David Terrell occasionally showing up. Needless to say it was not easy and Cutler was visibly frustrated as his move-the-ball two-minute scenario stalled out near the forty-yard line.

I think the absence of Scheffler is really being noticed as Cutler likes to work the middle of the field, and Graham, for all that he does well, is certainly not the vertical threat that Tony is. This has made coverage over the middle easier and so the receivers aren’t getting open. Hopefully as players get healthy we’ll see things open up for the offense.

So here’s a brief recap of what caught our eye this afternoon. More brief than usual, anyway.

Quarterbacks – The quarterbacks looked much better today. They are becoming more familiar with the offense overall and their mechanics are getting better. They were all much better this afternoon than this morning.

Jay Cutler: He looked very sharp. His footwork and body control was very crisp. He made a number of excellent throws today and he’s really throwing with confidence. He did have one pick today when a pass bounced off Brian Clark’s hands and flew into Dre Bly’s. I suppose if you are going to have an interception, that’s best kind you can have as the throw was on time and the read was right. Cutler also did a great job throwing against the blitz. On one play both the linebacker and safety blitzed and he threw to the area of the field they vacated for a decent gain. Overall he’s really progressing well and I expect that to continue.

Patrick Ramsey: He played better today. His throws are more on time and he is settling down in the pocket. He’s getting better at the deep ball and his check downs are more consistent. He still made some goofball throws, but I think he’s starting to grow a bit. It is my hope that maybe he can stick here and take some coaching and grow for a bit as player rather than bouncing from system to system where no substantive progress is made.

Preston Parsons: Parsons is the most accurate of the QB’s but also the one with the weakest arm. He made some throws but nothing that impressive.

Darrell Hackney: He is just too short. His passes have a lot of power in them, but they’re horribly erratic an his footwork is crazy. He does have a good arm.

Defensive Line – The line had another good day and the young players continued to show improvement and growth. The pass rush is much better than it was last year. It has been so constantly good, in fact, that I don’t know whether to be excited about the defensive ends or concerned about the offensive tackles.

One of the things that Bates was stressing in working with the line today is when trying to get to the quarterback, not to be so engaged with beating the guy in front of you that you forget to use your eyes to locate the quarterback.

Jarvis Moss: Moss was pretty much unblockable again. He usually wins his one-on-one in the drills and in the scrimmages and scenarios he was often one of the first there even getting a sack at one point. He takes coaching well and is absolutely explosive off the line. More than that are how well he uses his hands and arms to get to his goal. He really is very impressive.

Tim Crowder: Crowder continued to draw praise from his coaches for his good technique. He still needs to work on a better first step and get more burst off the line, but overall he had a solid performance.

Elvis Dumervil: Elvis filled in on the first team for Ekuban which suggests the coaches like what they are seeing from the guy. He is still very explosive when he is able to get free. One thing I like about Elvis is how he tries different things every snap and sometimes his plan of attack varies depending on the offensive lineman he’s going up against. This shows intelligence and savvy.

Gerard Warren: Warren made some plays in the running game today. They were pretty good. While he is usually eating up blockers, Warren still is working on being a force in the middle and that will only make the line better.

Jimmy Kennedy: He had some good plays but they were all in passing situations and he was less productive against the run. He’ll need to toughen up in that department to get more playing time.

Defensive Backs – The D-backs were pretty solid today. I will say this about Bob Slowik: He has really turned this unit around. Not many people remember how horrible our corners were three years ago. This was due to talent and poor coaching under Gibbs. Well thank goodness things are turning around. Briefly here’s a few things that stood out to me.

Karl Paymah: Paymah continued to impress and has been playing a solid camp. He broke up a pass in the redzone and hopefully he can carry this over to the preseason and regular season.

Dominique Foxworth: He played very well in both the nickel and second team safety role. If he wants to play safety long term he’ll need to bulk up.

Hamza Abdullah: Hamza made some good plays and showed hustle. He’s really making strides.

Other thoughts –

-If our receivers don’t get healthy and practicing it’s going to be a long season.

-Quincy Morgan looks the best in the return game.

Note to blob: Jarvis Moss will make Damion McIntosh wet himself.

Note to blob: Marcus Pollard is going have nightmares about Jay Cutler.

[24champ]

Thanks guys! Rep to both of you.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCalBronco
How soon do you think "Moss will be scary" This year ?Becuz I would be all kinds of happy if that happens . Thanks

Khan and I were discussing this today. I think that even if he plays a limited role this year (third down pass rush specialist/nickel....only limited snaps in the base) he still will make an impact. He can still get a fairly good number of sacks because he can explode off the line at the snap and is working on new moves. Khan had observed today that Engleberger and Adams I think were helping him out with little tips and telling him when to change up his type of rush and he was really benefitting from that. I think Moss will definitely contribute this year, in a significant fashion, even if he is not an every down guy (which he will probably not be).

[ICON]

SoCalBronco :notworthy

[Requiem]

Long live Jarelvitimarcus!

[24champ]

Sounds like the DL is doing well, Must be tough to figure out what defensive line player is looking like they will be part of the first round of cuts? Veal and Peterson look like early candidates judging by your reports.

[Requiem]

I'd like to think that Jarvis could the same sort of thing that Elvis did this past year.

[SoCalBronco]

I'd like to think that Jarvis could the same sort of thing that Elvis did this past year.

I can definitely see him putting up the 8 sacks that Elvis got. He's better than Elvis...alot better (in terms of pure talent). Khan remarked that he might be Jevon Kearse like. You really have to see him in 1 on 1 drills. I don't think Meadows wants any part of this kid anymore. Now this isnt to say that Moss is going to go out there and dominate every snap. He IS inconsistent and he does get blown up against the run, but he is (with the help of Bates, Johnson and Burney) really honing his sheer athleticism into bona fide pass rushing skills.

[Jana®]

From what I gather from the reports, the WR's are making me nervous!

[Kaylore]

From what I gather from the reports, the WR's are making me nervous!

It was pathetic today.

[SoCalBronco]

Sounds like the DL is doing well, Must be tough to figure out what defensive line player is looking like they will be part of the first round of cuts? Veal and Peterson look like early candidates judging by your reports.

There is some good competition at DL right now...I think it will be a difficult process sorting out the cuts after they make the easy decisions first. Req and I talked about this a week ago and I think he is right, we are going to keep about 10 DL or so, so it will make decisions a little easier.

[telluride]

Yep, WR is our achilles heel. Might bite us big time once the season starts. Imagine no Rod, no Marshall, no Shef. We're going to be Javon, Stokely, Kircus. That's a scary bad and slow line-up, other than Javon, of course.

[DelBronco]

Great job reporting guys. We really appreciate being kept in the loop, especially the east coasters that normally go weeks without seeing the Broncos mentioned on TV. I know it's tough to judge in person, but do you know if Moss is up to the weight (I think i read 275-ish) that he's planning on playing at this season? I was wondering if you guys thought adding more lbs would help or hinder is play at DE, i.e. sacrificing quickness for strength and therefore taking away his biggest asset as of now. Just wondering what your thoughts are.

[telluride]

Might we pick up a waiver wire WR?

[SoCalBronco]

Scheffler's return is more important than Marshall's (I'm not downplaying Marshall though at all, we really need him too), IMO. Stokley has shown that he can ball. Granted, he is probably better as a #3 than a #2, but he looks good and he could hack it, if needed. Its a real big time TE threat that is bottling things up. Graham is ok underneath, but Scheffler can get up the seam fast and can get seperation on LBs easily.

Please get better, fast, Tony, we really, really, really, really, really need you!

[Kaylore]

Might we pick up a waiver wire WR?

I don't know. I think Scheffler coming back would actually help us more than another wide receiver. I'd rather have Walker, Scheffler and Stokely than Walker, Graham and Marshall, for example. I think having that middle of the field guy that can go deep if need be would open everything else up - especially with a safety usually playing inside to stop our rushing attack.

[rovolution]

SoCal, i have a question. Did you see the offensive line up in a Split Backs formation anytime during TC? I am asking this b/c i was just watching some vintage games back during Shanny's early years in Den in 1995 and 1996, and he loooovved that Split Backs set, i mean loved it. Plus it worked quite effectively. Are they trying to reincorporate that back into the offensive, b/c i havent seen Denver use it in a long, long time.

[Broncos_OTM]

I've been saying it all year(broncomania) that i think Dumervil can start and that if moss had a strong camp he would get significant time if not even start outright.

Khan Socal great stuff. Hey can you take a look at Thomas and see his size compared to Warren and Adams. i heard he is around 320. Pressure and dissruption are his strong points. how is he fairing at clogging holes.

[Kaylore]

I've been saying it all year(broncomania) that i think Dumervil can start and that if moss had a strong camp he would get significant time if not even start outright.

Khan Socal great stuff. Hey can you take a look at Thomas and see his size compared to Warren and Adams. i heard he is around 320. Pressure and dissruption are his strong points. how is he fairing at clogging holes.

I got a look at him and while he is a big boy, he has a way to got to get into Warren and Adams' league. He is disruptive but inconsistent. He is consistent enough to be playing on the second team, however. He is making progress. :)

[Broncos_OTM]

Great job reporting guys. We really appreciate being kept in the loop, especially the east coasters that normally go weeks without seeing the Broncos mentioned on TV. I know it's tough to judge in person, but do you know if Moss is up to the weight (I think i read 275-ish) that he's planning on playing at this season? I was wondering if you guys thought adding more lbs would help or hinder is play at DE, i.e. sacrificing quickness for strength and therefore taking away his biggest asset as of now. Just wondering what your thoughts are.
I can pretty much tell ya. Jarvis is around i am guessing at this point 250-260 lbs

[TallyBronco]

From reading the reports, it doesn't sound like we have an all-around DE besides Ekuban. Moss and Elvis are rush-specialists so far. Crowder sounds like a young version of Ekuban. I'm a little worried that teams will be able to target particular line-ups fairly easily, especially a good audible QB like Manning.

As for the receivers, what are the chances that Kircus develops better route running outside of slants? It seems that he and Culter click pretty well, if only he could become more versatile.

I'll be curious to hear more about Paul Smith in the next week.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal, i have a question. Did you see the offensive line up in a Split Backs formation anytime during TC? I am asking this b/c i was just watching some vintage games back during Shanny's early years in Den in 1995 and 1996, and he loooovved that Split Backs set, i mean loved it. Plus it worked quite effectively. Are they trying to reincorporate that back into the offensive, b/c i havent seen Denver use it in a long, long time.

No, not really. We have not been much of a split backs team for a few years now. The split backs were really a staple of the 49ers style of offense, which featured sweeps and draws from the two back set and the classic WCO short pass game. We got away from that as years went on (the formation and types of runs, ofcourse alot more zone and leads...some but not all of the 49er pass game is still with us ofcourse), we became more of an I formation team, more of a two tight end one back team and sometimes three wr team and a no backs team. Even when we use two backs, it is almost exclusively in the I or offset I strong or weak. There is very little split backs now.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Awesome reports, as always! I can't believe how good these reports are. ;D
Thanks guys!!!

[no-pseudo-fan]

I want them to take their time with Schef and Marshall, we need them for the Regular season not the preseason. Marshall at 2 and Stokely at 3 is the way to go. Schef is going to open up the underneth routes. We need to get everybody healthy and ready to go.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Any news regarding Scheffler? Does anyone know when he could be back?

[Broncos_OTM]

Well from the sounds of it Adams is a great guy. and is really helping out the Rookies. I am hopeing that some of Adams can wear off on thomas either weight or knowledge

Denver for as long as i remember (Zimmerman) have always had a rough time going straight up(dropback style).
That encourages me to see denver change there D Where the guards and centers can go against big NT's and our Tackles taking on speed rushers it should definetly help out alot.

Im wondering at this point how much time foxy has seen at FS this summer. Do you think its due to paymah really turning it on?

[no-pseudo-fan]

If we can get a lead on teams, Moss might be ROY. He is going to get better and stronger, and he is going to help our DB's get some easy INT's

[azbroncfan]

Is Moss really looking that good or is the OT position really weak? Probably a bit of both would be my guess.

[Rock Chalk]

split backs were usually those counter misdirection plays. Sweeps and tosses yeah, but I specifically remember the counter run from that formation to perfection.

The problem is, we dont do the sweeps and tosses often enough anymore to use the split back off gaurd counter.

Im more of a fan of the offset (strong or weakside) I formation. I think we got about 40 plays from that same formation. It's useful because the same play can be basically reversed in the eyes of the defense by switching the full backs offset to the other side and running the otherwise same routes.

As long as there is no empty backfield in the redzone I think I should be a happy man.

[Broncoman13]

I don't know. I think Scheffler coming back would actually help us more than another wide receiver. I'd rather have Walker, Scheffler and Stokely than Walker, Graham and Marshall, for example. I think having that middle of the field guy that can go deep if need be would open everything else up - especially with a safety usually playing inside to stop our rushing attack.

BINGO!

Great reports guys... How did Sapp and/or Bell look? Did Bell catch the ball better today and how did he look running the screens. IMO, if we're going to run screens with any consistency, the #2 needs to be Mike Bell. Mainly b/c his running style is more suited to running a screen. Cecil Sapp would be trying to run over his own men. I don't see him waiting for the blocks to develop!!! Thanks again for the reports. :thumbsup:

[ICON]

Also called the "pro-set," this is similar to the I-formation and has the same variations. The difference is that the two backs are split behind the quarterback instead of being lined up behind him. This formation is most often associated with Bill Walsh's San Francisco 49ers teams of the 1980s and his West Coast Offense. A modern example of the "pro-set" can be seen in the Florida State University Seminoles offense, which favors a Split Backs formation. The Seattle Seahawks also favor this type of formation with the tight end usually being replaced with a third wide receiver


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Split_green.PNG

[Broncoman13]

Kaylore, you said that you had a chance to talk with Jarvis and Marcus after the AM session. Did you post those notes yet?

[Kaylore]

Kaylore, you said that you had a chance to talk with Jarvis and Marcus after the AM session. Did you post those notes yet?

Marcus' interview was pretty boring honestly. Just a lot of platitudes "it's hard." "Trying to do my best" etc. I'm sure one of the many stations like CBS 4 will put something up on it. I managed to get with Moss where it was just myself, Lee Rasizer and a few others and proved to yield more interesting answers. That article has been posted on the front page (http://www.orangemane.com/).

[cousinal11]

socal, kaylore this is for u guys.

It sounds like Paymah is coming on strong like a Bates' type nick back. Are they trying Foxworth at safety at all in case he gets beat out at the nickel or is it still too early?

[Kaylore]

socal, kaylore this is for u guys.

It sounds like Paymah is coming on strong like a Bates' type nick back. Are they trying Foxworth at safety at all in case he gets beat out at the nickel or is it still too early?

Too early. We only start day four tomorrow. Preseason games will be where they start figuring out who starts and who doesn't. Camp is mostly to get guys reps and see which scrubs are worth keeping around for preseason games.

[cousinal11]

Too early. We only start day four tomorrow. Preseason games will be where they start figuring out who starts and who doesn't. Camp is mostly to get guys reps and see which scrubs are worth keeping around for preseason games.

Thanks for the quick response kaylore, you guys make the summer days go by quicker with the wrap ups. Keep up the good work.

[Que]

Great work as always gents. You both should earn medals. Say, what about if we take up a "feed the scouts" fund to cover their lunch expenses?

[ICON]

Great work as always gents. You both should earn medals. Say, what about if we take up a "feed the scouts" fund to cover their lunch expenses?
Yes.. You sould start a tread on that kind sir I would give a few green backs.:welcome:

[SoDak Bronco]

Who has been the biggest standout on Offense/defense?

[minibronco]

Goodness, Bly sounds like a freakin turnover machine.
Just need to make sure our special teams are down pat.... had a lot of troubles with field position last season, and that really messes with a young quarterback's mind.

[no-pseudo-fan]

you guys are doing a tremendous job. I look forward to your reports everyday.

[summerdenver]

Yes.. You sould start a tread on that kind sir I would give a few green backs.:welcome:

Me too.

[DukeWoody]

O4L said his family were at practice and they said Cutler looked nowhere near game ready and he was worried. Granted its still week one but I didn't get that impression when I was there and reading your reports. I was curious if you guys could give your take.

Thanks for the report!

Im not sure,but isn't O4L one of the biggest Plummet homers to scour the face of the mane,im just sayin,there may be a connection....

[theAPAOps5]

Im not sure,but isn't O4L one of the biggest Plummet homers to scour the face of the mane,im just sayin,there may be a connection....

He had the epic meltdown when we drafted Cutler. He has also since stopped being upset and is in full support of the QB. He was being sincere and there were no undertones. Its interesting to see different perspectives, what one person sees another interprets completely different.

[Blueflame]

He had the epic meltdown when we drafted Plummer. He has also since stopped being upset and is in full support of the QB. He was being sincere and there were no undertones. Its interesting to see different perspectives, what one person sees another interprets completely different.

Methinks you meant "Cutler" instead of "Plummer" here... ;)

[DukeWoody]

I will say this,Cutler,is more prepared at this point in his young career,then Plummet was in his entire career,thats just mine and my families oppinion at this point in time...

[bronco militia]

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As long as there is no empty backfield in the redzone I think I should be a happy man.

:D

[Requiem]

Camp reports mess up Requiem's daggone 2008 Denver Broncos mock draft.

[Broncoman13]

Great work as always gents. You both should earn medals. Say, what about if we take up a "feed the scouts" fund to cover their lunch expenses?

Ummm, how bout you just send me your money and I'll stop by and take them out to McDonalds or something almost as nice?!? :thumbsup: :wiggle:

[listopencil]

As long as there is no empty backfield in the redzone I think I should be a happy man.

I remember when we used Pro Set formation a lot. It can be versatile but I prefer the I. I think the I helps our passing more now because Cutler can make the throws downfield to the patterns that take more time to develop and pass protection is better from the I than the Pro Set. I do like that we are running screens but I want to see them in games. It's not something we've done in a while.

[Broncoman13]

Im not sure,but isn't O4L one of the biggest Plummet homers to scour the face of the mane,im just sayin,there may be a connection....

No connection at all! O4L calls it like he sees it and wears his orange n blue glasses more than 95% of us. He's generally not the doom and gloom type. His Plummer homer takes were BRONCO HOMER TAKES! Plummer was our QB and he supported him as such. He'll do the same with Jay Cutler...win, lose, or draw. There are few around that are as big of fans as Jake!

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you've not been around posting too long... but believe me, O4L questioning Cutler's passion has nothing to do with Plummer... It has everything to do with the Broncos winning with Jay!

[theAPAOps5]

Methinks you meant "Cutler" instead of "Plummer" here... ;)

To true, thanks for correcting my Bob.

[theAPAOps5]

No connection at all! O4L calls it like he sees it and wears his orange n blue glasses more than 95% of us. He's generally not the doom and gloom type. His Plummer homer takes were BRONCO HOMER TAKES! Plummer was our QB and he supported him as such. He'll do the same with Jay Cutler...win, lose, or draw. There are few around that are as big of fans as Jake!

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you've not been around posting too long... but believe me, O4L questioning Cutler's passion has nothing to do with Plummer... It has everything to do with the Broncos winning with Jay!

A little while ago wasn't he talking about how he ran into Cutler at the mall and was astounded by his size? In that thread someone asked if he changed his mind and he said any QB for the Denver Broncos is who he is supporting. I definately agree with your assessment.

As for Cutlers demeanor, I think thats his personality. When the poopoo is hitting the fan its always the calm collected, laid back, buys who are in the most control. I like to think that about Cutler.

[BroncoBuff]

For some reason, Moss puts me in the mind of Simon Fletcher.

[Broncoman13]

For some reason, Moss puts me in the mind of Simon Fletcher.

Me too... though I think he has the potential to be a lot better. Get this kid some real strength and he'll have that to go along with leverage. He's learned to compensate and still dominate, just think when he has the strength to compliment!!!

I forgot to mention it but yesterday morning's practice was really fun b/c of Nick Ferguson. He really engages with the fans. The DB's were practicing down by wear we were sitting and Nick would come over and talk with the fans every once in awhile. A couple of the "conversations"

Along the lines of Nick asking a fan, "how you feeling?" Fan responded with, "Pretty good, but I'm hot."
Nick- You think you're hot?!? What b/c I'm a football player I can't get hot?
Fan- Kind of laughs and mumbles something.
Nick- You're hot and you don't even have any pads on, I may be a football player but it's hot and I've got pads on!

It was a pretty funny exchange. About 5 minutes later the DB's huddled up with Slowik. They broke and went back to practicing. Nick came over to the fans and said, "See you'all got us in trouble. We just got yelled at b/c ya'll ain't cheering for us!" It's too bad he's not doing well b/c he really does enjoy being out on the field and interacting with the fans.

[theAPAOps5]

Me too... though I think he has the potential to be a lot better. Get this kid some real strength and he'll have that to go along with leverage. He's learned to compensate and still dominate, just think when he has the strength to compliment!!!

I forgot to mention it but yesterday morning's practice was really fun b/c of Nick Ferguson. He really engages with the fans. The DB's were practicing down by wear we were sitting and Nick would come over and talk with the fans every once in awhile. A couple of the "conversations"

Along the lines of Nick asking a fan, "how you feeling?" Fan responded with, "Pretty good, but I'm hot."
Nick- You think you're hot?!? What b/c I'm a football player I can't get hot?
Fan- Kind of laughs and mumbles something.
Nick- You're hot and you don't even have any pads on, I may be a football player but it's hot and I've got pads on!

It was a pretty funny exchange. About 5 minutes later the DB's huddled up with Slowik. They broke and went back to practicing. Nick came over to the fans and said, "See you'all got us in trouble. We just got yelled at b/c ya'll ain't cheering for us!" It's too bad he's not doing well b/c he really does enjoy being out on the field and interacting with the fans.

That was funny. I heard that exchange. He has always been a clown and very approachable guy.

[bpc]

I can't wait to see Elvis and Moss lining up as bookends on 3rd and long. Now we need to get some pass rush from the DT's, pushing the pocket and we'll be set. From what it sounds like, it will be a mixture of Warren, Kennedy, and Thomas.

[fido]

For the first time in many years, I am way psyched about the defense for once. It has the 'smell' of the crush years. Time will tell though. Many thanx for the reporting. Top notch.

[Popps]

Moss was pretty much unblockable again.

You guys better not be pulling our legs about this guy. We really need this kid to come through. Sounds like a great situation building, here.