Calvin Johnson's demands yuk!

[ICON]

Calvin Johnson's demands may be impossible to meet. He reportedly want 30 million in guaranteed money that would be a 15% increase over last year when it's generally 8%. The Lions only have 27 Million left in their cap.

If CJ is worth $30 million, then Barry would have been worth $200 million.

IT would actually be funny if they signed CJ to a HUGE contract with like 30 mil guaranteed then Russell will demand more for being #1 LOL. If the Faiders don't hurry they can be screwed big time.:wiggle:

[Kaylore]

The cap is spread over the life of the deal. I doubt CJ wants 30 million a year in guarantees.

[cutthemdown]

LOL at you saying only 27 million under cap. Do you realize how many 30 million dollar contracts you can actually get into 27 million? More then one thats for sure.

[snowspot66]

LOL at you saying only 27 million under cap. Do you realize how many 30 million dollar contracts you can actually get into 27 million? More then one thats for sure.

dude this is the lions were talking about here, if any team could have issues doing that it would be them, now, denver on the other hand could probably get an entirely new team out of that kind of room

[DukeWoody]

These rook contract demands are getting way out of control,and this crap needs to be reviewed before teams start to fall into 5 year slumps, because of the bust factor that's possible with the huge dollars spent on a risk reward unproven high 1rst round draft pick...

[baja]

These rook contract demands are getting way out of control,and this crap needs to be reviewed before teams start to fall into 5 year slumps, because of the bust factor that's possible with the huge dollars spent on a risk reward unproven high 1rst round draft pick...

Which is why I always though that consistently drafting in the top 10 was not the best position to be in.

I think Denver has been superb with what they have done with their first day picks these last three seasons.

[footstepsfrom#27]

So CJ wants twice what Daniel Graham was guaranteed? I don't see the problem with that.

[Mediator12]

So CJ wants twice what Daniel Graham was guaranteed? I don't see the problem with that.

See Charles Rogers and Mike Williams ;D WR's are the least valuable draft commodity besides S, OG, and C. And, while DET needs him pretty bad, They do have a quality Starting tandem without him. Not a whole lot of leverage and a whole lot of potential animosity with the fans. Not that many players really care about that anymore 8')

[That One Guy]

QBs are one of the top positions and Bulger just got his big money deal for only 29MIL guaranteed. They've got to put an end to this stuff but they'd lose more money in revenue if they didn't sign a top 5 pick than they'd lose if he busts.

[Broncos_OTM]

I wonder if Detroit knew he was gonna demand something crazy like that. and if they did they would have traded his rights?

[TheDave]

27 million under the cap???

We forget just how lucky we are as fans... Imagine the Broncos being the 2nd worst team in the league only to spend the off-season sitting on our collective asses...

Good lord the amount of players a team can get for 27 million...

[Broncos_OTM]

27 million under the cap???

We forget just how lucky we are as fans... Imagine the Broncos being the 2nd worst team in the league only to spend the off-season sitting on our collective asses...

Good lord the amount of players a team can get for 27 million...
You have to remember how many of these players really wanna go to detroit and the other bottom dwellers in the NFL.

[TheDave]

You have to remember how many of these players really wanna go to detroit and the other bottom dwellers in the NFL.

True there are some that wouldn't play there... but the other 99% are more concerned with the money.

[Broncos_OTM]

True there are some that wouldn't play there... but the other 99% are more concerned with the money.

and so the other percent are usually the superstars that can make a differance.

[TheDave]

and so the other percent are usually the superstars that can make a differance.

Superstars?

Bud, this is detroit we are talking about. half of the Broncos roster is talented enough to make a difference. The lions sitting on 27 million worth of cap room is not because superstars were turning them down, it's because ownership is not serious about feilding a competitive team. This is annually one of the 5 worst franchises in the league. We are not talking about a team that is 1 or 2 players away...

[Drek]

True there are some that wouldn't play there... but the other 99% are more concerned with the money.

Its not a black or white, I want money or I want to win type of scenario. Most players want to get paid first and foremost, but winning comes in a close 2nd.

Lets say Detroit offered you a 5 year, $25M deal with $10M guaranteed. Then New England offered you 5 years, $23M, and $9M guaranteed. Where are you going to play?

Detroit needs to blow opposing team's offers out of the water. Same goes for Arizona, look at the money they gave James. No other team was remotely close to offering that.

The Lions management clearly doesn't want to overpay for talent. I could see it if they didn't reside in a strong sports city where the fans are dedicated to even a bad team. They're trying to be more like the Pistons, who had a brilliant GM in Joe Dumars find some amazing steals that vaulted the team into contention as opposed to the Tigers who chose to overpay Rodriguez and Ordonez in order to start winning games and get cred around the league. That cred then made it easier for them to acquire Kenny Rogers, Sheffield (without him grousing horribly), etc.. The Tigers/Lions situation is a lot more similar than Pistons/Lions, but Millen doesn't realize that because he's a moron.

[400HZ]

Its not a black or white, I want money or I want to win type of scenario. Most players want to get paid first and foremost, but winning comes in a close 2nd.

Lets say Detroit offered you a 5 year, $25M deal with $10M guaranteed. Then New England offered you 5 years, $23M, and $9M guaranteed. Where are you going to play?

Detroit needs to blow opposing team's offers out of the water. Same goes for Arizona, look at the money they gave James. No other team was remotely close to offering that.

The Lions management clearly doesn't want to overpay for talent. I could see it if they didn't reside in a strong sports city where the fans are dedicated to even a bad team. They're trying to be more like the Pistons, who had a brilliant GM in Joe Dumars find some amazing steals that vaulted the team into contention as opposed to the Tigers who chose to overpay Rodriguez and Ordonez in order to start winning games and get cred around the league. That cred then made it easier for them to acquire Kenny Rogers, Sheffield (without him grousing horribly), etc.. The Tigers/Lions situation is a lot more similar than Pistons/Lions, but Millen doesn't realize that because he's a moron.

The Lion's #1 problem is how they keep drafting Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Joey Harrington, etc.

[TheDave]

Its not a black or white, I want money or I want to win type of scenario. Most players want to get paid first and foremost, but winning comes in a close 2nd.

Lets say Detroit offered you a 5 year, $25M deal with $10M guaranteed. Then New England offered you 5 years, $23M, and $9M guaranteed. Where are you going to play?

Detroit needs to blow opposing team's offers out of the water. Same goes for Arizona, look at the money they gave James. No other team was remotely close to offering that.

The Lions management clearly doesn't want to overpay for talent. I could see it if they didn't reside in a strong sports city where the fans are dedicated to even a bad team. They're trying to be more like the Pistons, who had a brilliant GM in Joe Dumars find some amazing steals that vaulted the team into contention as opposed to the Tigers who chose to overpay Rodriguez and Ordonez in order to start winning games and get cred around the league. That cred then made it easier for them to acquire Kenny Rogers, Sheffield (without him grousing horribly), etc.. The Tigers/Lions situation is a lot more similar than Pistons/Lions, but Millen doesn't realize that because he's a moron.


First off i completely disagree that winning is a close second. 2nd... Yes. close 2nd... No.

As for the rest... Again your examples are regarding superstars. This team does not need superstar talent. This is historically one of the worst teams in the league. On top of that they play in a weak division within the weakest conference. This team is in need of good 2nd and 3rd tier players. A strong infusion of talent on those levels would easily vault them into the middle half of the league (judging by wins and losses). Then we can start the discussion of whether superstars will play for them. Keep in mind, once that happens they would only be 5-10 million under the cap.

Any team that is 27 million under the cap should be fined by the NFL for stealing from their fans and the league.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I wouldnt play for them unless they broke the bank either cause you know you arnt going to win there. He is forcing a hand and has every right to, everyday he sits out is a day he isnt getting paid as well so both sides are getting screwed.

[Atlas]

So CJ wants twice what Daniel Graham was guaranteed? I don't see the problem with that.


You don't? A guy that hasn't done squat.

Why doesn't the NFL players association agree to a salary cap for rookies? THat way there would be more money to spend on vets. That is one thing the NBA has right.

[UnderArmour]

You don't? A guy that hasn't done squat.

Why doesn't the NFL players association agree to a salary cap for rookies? THat way there would be more money to spend on vets. That is one thing the NBA has right.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Putting a system in like that would cause more problems than it would solve. The NFL already allocates room to teams to sign rookie draft pick.

I can't believe someone in this thread actually tried to compare CJ to Rogers and Mike Williams. Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature at his position like we've not seen coming into the draft for a long time. Give this guy his $30 Mil in guarantees. Not like you ever use the cap room anyways.

[ICON]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Putting a system in like that would cause more problems than it would solve. The NFL already allocates room to teams to sign rookie draft pick.

I can't believe someone in this thread actually tried to compare CJ to Rogers and Mike Williams. Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature at his position like we've not seen coming into the draft for a long time. Give this guy his $30 Mil in guarantees. Not like you ever use the cap room anyways.

welcome to the orangemane stick around this is a great place.

[UnderArmour]

welcome to the orangemane stick around this is a great place.

And surprisingly easier on the eyes than Broncomania is now.

[That One Guy]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Putting a system in like that would cause more problems than it would solve. The NFL already allocates room to teams to sign rookie draft pick.

I can't believe someone in this thread actually tried to compare CJ to Rogers and Mike Williams. Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature at his position like we've not seen coming into the draft for a long time. Give this guy his $30 Mil in guarantees. Not like you ever use the cap room anyways.

Every year there's a freak of nature coming out that deserves big bucks. Every year there's a guy that gets big bucks that flops. Every year there's a freak of nature that was better than all those freaks of nature that flopped. The fact is, CJ could be extremely good or could flop. I know everyone will say it's not the same, but when I read the old reports of Mike Williams before he was drafted... he too was the next can't miss, amazing prospect. A man among boys, etc... Once this guy accomplishes something then he should be rewarded accordingly. If this guy goes out, pulls a Vernon Davis and becomes a freak of nature that has yet to accomplish anything... well, that doesn't help the Lions win games. No unproven player deserves 30MIL guaranteed. It's strange that an unproven rookie will get the kind of money that no elite player at his position can get despite being proven. The first contract these guys get will proportionally outweigh any future contract they'll ever see no matter how good they play. The fact that CJ as an unproven rookie will make significantly more than Walker, Steve Smith, TO, Torry Holt... any of those... makes me sick and makes me hope he fails. Only if they keep busting will teams realize how stupid it is and push the league and the NFLPA to come to an agreement on a compromise.

[Atwater His Ass]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Putting a system in like that would cause more problems than it would solve. The NFL already allocates room to teams to sign rookie draft pick.

I can't believe someone in this thread actually tried to compare CJ to Rogers and Mike Williams. Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature at his position like we've not seen coming into the draft for a long time. Give this guy his $30 Mil in guarantees. Not like you ever use the cap room anyways.

Get back to us after, you know, he's actually played a down in the NFL.

[Popcorn Sutton]

So who would you all rather have?

Calvin Johnson ~ 30 million guaranteed

Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, Ryan Harris and Marcus Thomas ~ 11 million guaranteed.

[UnderArmour]

The fact is, CJ could be extremely good or could flop. Once this guy accomplishes something then he should be rewarded accordingly.No unproven player deserves 30MIL guaranteed. It's strange that an unproven rookie will get the kind of money that no elite player at his position can get despite being proven. The first contract these guys get will proportionally outweigh any future contract they'll ever see no matter how good they play. The fact that CJ as an unproven rookie will make significantly more than Walker, Steve Smith, TO, Torry Holt... any of those... makes me sick and makes me hope he fails. Only if they keep busting will teams realize how stupid it is and push the league and the NFLPA to come to an agreement on a compromise.

Would you trade the number 2 overall pick for any of those guys? Let me put this in perspective for you, Calvin Johnson was picked at #2, which according to the draft value chart is 2600 points. Javon Walker was traded for the 37th overall pick, valued at 530 points. According to the draft value chart, Calvin Johnson is worth 4.9056603773584905660377358490566 Javon Walkers. If teams are going to use that outrageous chart and value several first round picks as worth a top 5, they should pay these unproven players big bucks.

The very nature of the draft is you could end up with Joe Montana or Ryan Leaf, Santana Moss or Marcus Nash, Emmitt Smith or just Ricky Williams. Teams know the nature of the draft and there is a reason teams would keep the picks. Superstar and hall of fame caliber players are obtainable in the draft. John Abraham was traded for with the 29th pick. Jarvis Moss was drafted with the 17th pick. Would you rather have the PROVEN John Abraham or the unproven rookie Jarvis Moss?

[That One Guy]

Would you trade the number 2 overall pick for any of those guys? Let me put this in perspective for you, Calvin Johnson was picked at #2, which according to the draft value chart is 2600 points. Javon Walker was traded for the 37th overall pick, valued at 530 points. According to the draft value chart, Calvin Johnson is worth 4.9056603773584905660377358490566 Javon Walkers. If teams are going to use that outrageous chart and value several first round picks as worth a top 5, they should pay these unproven players big bucks.

The very nature of the draft is you could end up with Joe Montana or Ryan Leaf, Santana Moss or Marcus Nash, Emmitt Smith or just Ricky Williams. Teams know the nature of the draft and there is a reason teams would keep the picks. Superstar and hall of fame caliber players are obtainable in the draft. John Abraham was traded for with the 29th pick. Jarvis Moss was drafted with the 17th pick. Would you rather have the PROVEN John Abraham or the unproven rookie Jarvis Moss?

There's a difference when you're drafting someone vs trading for someone in that the age factor is there. The correct question would then be would you rather have a 23 year old lineman or a 29 year old lineman? That's why players are valued so low... well, that and an extreme exaggeration of the value of draft picks. We drafted Lelie in the 1st round yet traded him for a 3rd and a 4th and everyone was happy. That doesn't make sense but that's just how it goes.

Anyhow, that has nothing to do with money. Their value in the draft is how they relate to rookies. Just because they're the best rookie doesn't mean they should get 30MIL instantly because they were good in college. Too many busts for that to really be smart business sense but there's not much they can do about it.

Down the road CJ may be better than Walker but today, right now, I'll take Walker. Unfortunately for Walker, CJ is just gonna take his 30MIL and go to the bank because it doesn't matter who the better player is. CJ was the better college player.

[Atwater His Ass]

Like I say every year, I wouldn't be upset if Denver traded out of the first round every year. First rounders get paid way too much, and I'd rather take my chances with extra later round picks in finding a quality player at a fair price.

Bottom line is these guys get paid too much and for what they accomplished in college. I don't care how good of an athelte CJ is, he isn't worth 30 mil gaurenteed. A salary cap for rookies would be in the leagues interest.

All that said, I don't blame CJ for trying to get the most money for his services. We all do the same things in our own jobs, and I know for a fact that if I had the ability to play any professional sport, I'd be maximizing my contract every time.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You don't? A guy that hasn't done squat.

Why doesn't the NFL players association agree to a salary cap for rookies? THat way there would be more money to spend on vets. That is one thing the NBA has right.
Fact is...you have to pay for talent. None of these guys are NFL proven but you roll the dice and hope you did you homework. It's just the nature of the game. I'd rather have 1 Calvin Johnson than two Daniel Grahams. Just my .02 worth...