King Carl says "LJ is no LT"

[DukeWoody]

Just saw a piece on NFL network wear king Carl was saying, LJ still needed to improve many aspects of his game to be considered at the level of LT, and there's no way he's worth LT type money...
Sallomon broke down LJ's production from 2006,and he accounted for 45% of the cheaps OF along with 42% of their scoring...
I just find it odd that king Carl is looking to make this a disfunctional spectacle and take it to the air the way he did...This has long, messy,bickering back and forth feud written all over it...Just another day in the :mullet1: life...

[Hawaii_Guy]

This is funny. I truely think with out LJ they will almost be as bad as Oakland. So my money is on them having a top 5 pick in next years draft. I think we should trade them our 6th and 1st for Wesley and their 1st. Right now they think they are going to be good and we could steal a top 5 pick:)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LJ says King Carl is no AJ Smith.

[TheNextStep]

I think even with LJ, the Chiefs are in for a rough year. Without him, they're in a whole heap of trouble.

[Florida_Bronco]

For once I agree with Carl on something. We both understand that LJ is pretty damn overrated.

[DukeWoody]

I think even with LJ, the Chiefs are in for a rough year. Without him, they're in a whole heap of trouble.

That's why they're better off trading him...They would get some good picks, minus the drama, and get it going next year...There's to many uncertains this year with the QB thing,the OL thing,the DB thing,like the old adage one step back two steps....

[TheNextStep]

If they get rid of LJ, Kansas City will go up in flames ten minutes after the fans hear the news. They can't trade him without getting some kind of blockbuster deal that would help them NOW. I don't think they can get that and I don't think that it is wise to cut the cord on undeniable talent if you're just giving him away. Besides, how many of these players that cry about how unhappy they are ever follow through on their threats? Hell, didn't Lance "I'll never wear a Bear uniform again" Briggs just sign yesterday?

[theAPAOps5]

Plus they have Priest Holmes coming back. Put him back in as starter so if he scores he can do that gay little nancy boy dance into the endzone.

Seriously though, Carl really needs to decide if he is going to trade this locker room virus or meet his demands. Having something like this looming over both his and Edwards is not going to help for the season. I say trade his ass to Green Bay. Then he really won't be able to relate.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Carl has pretty much said they are not going to trade him. If LJ holds out too long he is going to wind up paying the Chiefs to play this year, so I see this lingering until Week 1 at the latest.

[theAPAOps5]

Then you are really optomistic. LJ is the type to turn this into something big. I say if he isn't signed by the end of camp good luck seeing him on the field until at least week 5 or 6.

[Florida_Bronco]

If they get rid of LJ, Kansas City will go up in flames ten minutes after the fans hear the news. They can't trade him without getting some kind of blockbuster deal that would help them NOW. I don't think they can get that and I don't think that it is wise to cut the cord on undeniable talent if you're just giving him away. Besides, how many of these players that cry about how unhappy they are ever follow through on their threats? Hell, didn't Lance "I'll never wear a Bear uniform again" Briggs just sign yesterday?

I don't think a 2nd round pick (which is about the best they could get) is exactly a blockbuster deal?.

[shakenbake]

I don't understand why players don't do the reverse hold-out. Report to camp and play the minimum amount of games and then just hold out the rest of the season. It seems that would put more pressure on the club if you started out with a good season.

[maher_tyler]

Just saw a piece on NFL network wear king Carl was saying, LJ still needed to improve many aspects of his game to be considered at the level of LT, and there's no way he's worth LT type money...
Sallomon broke down LJ's production from 2006,and he accounted for 45% of the cheaps OF along with 42% of their scoring...
I just find it odd that king Carl is looking to make this a disfunctional spectacle and take it to the air the way he did...This has long, messy,bickering back and forth feud written all over it...Just another day in the :mullet1: life...

That's awesome..so this pretty much confirms LJ is over rated..it is true, he is definitley no LT!!

[Florida_Bronco]

I don't understand why players don't do the reverse hold-out. Report to camp and play the minimum amount of games and then just hold out the rest of the season. It seems that would put more pressure on the club if you started out with a good season.

Never thought of that...good idea.

[Crushaholic]

I don't understand why players don't do the reverse hold-out. Report to camp and play the minimum amount of games and then just hold out the rest of the season. It seems that would put more pressure on the club if you started out with a good season.

That strategy could backfire if the team finds a new, adequate substitute for the rest of the year. The holdout could find himself out of a job the following year. If they hold out in the beginning of the year, it would seem to me that they have more leverage because a coach built a team in the offseason with the thinking that their starter will be there when the season begins.

[DukeWoody]

I don't understand why players don't do the reverse hold-out. Report to camp and play the minimum amount of games and then just hold out the rest of the season. It seems that would put more pressure on the club if you started out with a good season.

Plus teams need their best players down the stretch and into the playoffs...This type of hold out would definitely grab a team by the nads,but i think it isn't within the rules...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Then you are really optomistic. LJ is the type to turn this into something big. I say if he isn't signed by the end of camp good luck seeing him on the field until at least week 5 or 6.

Maybe so but that would be the extreme.

[~Crash~]

Never thought of that...good idea.


Injories are the reason for the hold out in the first place nice try tough:thumbs:

[DeuceOfClub]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1608004&postcount=15

...
LJ isn't going to hold out. I guarantee it. If LJ holds out I'll leave the Mane forever.

[KCStud]

Travis Henry is no LT either, so is he overrated? LJ is by no means overated. The guy has proven he is the 2nd best RB in the NFL the last 2 years.
LJ's problems are that he doesn't block well and he doesn't excel at catching the ball in the flat and making teams pay(Priest was really good at both of these faults).

And LJ will not be traded. Even more proof from King Carl himself...

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/07/27/qa_with_carl_peterson__727/

: There are always rumor and innuendo about trading Larry including that the Packers are interested.

PETERSON: “First of all, I have no intention whatsoever of trading Larry Johnson. Like before there was a lot of speculation on that; I have had no teams – zero – call me with an interest in trading for Larry.
“I think the obvious is that any team that would have an interest in him realizes that the compensation they would have to give to the Kansas City Chiefs in draft choices plus the contract that his agent is currently asking for makes it quite prohibitive for anybody to step up to all of that. But I have had no team call me and I have no interest in giving permission to Larry’s representative to shop him because I want him here. He’s a valuable, talented, outstanding football player that I think has my complete support and has done the things we wanted him to do.”

[Atwater His Ass]

It's funny. Why would you say this to the media? You keep this **** in house, you don't spread it for all to hear. Also fineing him $14k per day. Chefs are a freaking joke of an organization.

[Moon§hiner]

LJ deserves Travis Henry money at least...not LT's though

[boltaneer]

Well, while I'll be the first to say LJ is no LT, you have to look at how salaries have risen since LT signed his contract in 2004. The salary cap has increased by 35% I believe and many players who are not the best at their position are being paid more than those who are.

LJ is one of the top backs in the league and his pay should be somewhere above $20 million guaranteed... at least. I don't agree with it but that's how it works. Nate Clements is making more than Bailey, right? Bulger just signed a contract that pays him equal if not more than Tom Brady. KC needs to offer LJ a legitimate contract for his status. Not the $13-14 million dollar guaranteed ones that we've been hearing about.

Usually one side will cave and give in to the demands but this situation looks too far apart money-wise. Because it appears that LJ won't command much in return, his value is higher to the Chiefs than to other teams. So I don't see how KC can come out a winner in this thing. Either they give in and pay him what he wants, they trade him for less than they want in return, or he holds out and plays the minimum amount of games to gain credit for the season and KC gets nothing for him.

[KCStud]

Well, while I'll be the first to say LJ is no LT, you have to look at how salaries have risen since LT signed his contract in 2004. The salary cap has increased by 35% I believe and many players who are not the best at their position are being paid more than those who are.

LJ is one of the top backs in the league and his pay should be somewhere above $20 million guaranteed... at least. I don't agree with it but that's how it works. Nate Clements is making more than Bailey, right? Bulger just signed a contract that pays him equal if not more than Tom Brady. KC needs to offer LJ a legitimate contract for his status. Not the $13-14 million dollar guaranteed ones that we've been hearing about.

Usually one side will cave and give in to the demands but this situation looks too far apart money-wise. Because it appears that LJ won't command much in return, his value is higher to the Chiefs than to other teams. So I don't see how KC can come out a winner in this thing. Either they give in and pay him what he wants, they trade him for less than they want in return, or he holds out and plays the minimum amount of games to gain credit for the season and KC gets nothing for him.

I agree, but I don't see how KC can't come out being the winner. LJ is being charged 14K by the NFL for every day of camp he misses. I don't care how rich you are, 14K a day adds up and is gonna start to to hurt LJ's status.
Doesn't really matter to me though if LJ misses camp. He knows the play book and has worked with the QB's, plus he is in playing shape from what has been said.
Right now I am worried about Dwayne Bowe's POS agent who cares more about getting Brady Quinn a top 10 deal before even talking to KC about a deal for Bowe

[Kaylore]

Travis Henry is no LT either, so is he overrated? LJ is by no means overated.
Wow. Just wow. Is that some attempt at logic? Do you even know what you or anyone else here is arguing? Travis Henry is already signed as wasn't asking for LT type money! LJ is not signed and he is asking for a contract that size.:mullet1:

[KCStud]

Wow. Just wow. Is that some attempt at logic? Do you even know what you or anyone else here is arguing? Travis Henry is already signed as wasn't asking for LT type money! LJ is not signed and he is asking for a contract that size.:mullet1:

The person who posted that LJ was overated because he wasn't on LT's level is who that refers to. Doesn't matter if Travis Henry is signed or not. If LJ is overated, than Travis Henry sucks.
LJ deserves a contract around the area LT got paid

[Jens1893]

I don't think a 2nd round pick (which is about the best they could get) is exactly a blockbuster deal?.

they can get more for him, probably, but peterson has really dug himself into a hole with the way he´s handled this situation. he doesn´t want to give him big bucks, fine, but he also a history of over valuing his players in trade talks. i guess if he engages into trade talks, my guess is that he is gonna demand multiple first rounders for starters ... but how can he possibly justify such demands? if lj is as good as he says by demanding a ransom, why doesn´t he pay the guy?

[Kaylore]

The person who posted that LJ was overated because he wasn't on LT's level is who that refers to. Doesn't matter if Travis Henry is signed or not. If LJ is overated, than Travis Henry sucks.
That doesn't make any sense at all. I'm convinced you have some kind of learning disability. Overrated doesn't mean they suck it means that people say they are better than they really are. LJ could still be a good running back but just isn't "the second best running back in all of football" and thus be overrated. That rating has nothing at all to do with Travis Henry. I don't think you get it, but then you don't get a lot of things...

[SoCalBronco]

they can get more for him, probably, but peterson has really dug himself into a hole with the way he´s handled this situation. he doesn´t want to give him big bucks, fine, but he also a history of over valuing his players in trade talks. i guess if he engages into trade talks, my guess is that he is gonna demand multiple first rounders for starters ... but how can he possibly justify such demands? if lj is as good as he says by demanding a ransom, why doesn´t he pay the guy?

I'd rather the Chiefs keep LJ for 2 more years or whatever then get even a single first rounder.

[crazyhorse]

Well, while I'll be the first to say LJ is no LT, you have to look at how salaries have risen since LT signed his contract in 2004. The salary cap has increased by 35% I believe and many players who are not the best at their position are being paid more than those who are.

LJ is one of the top backs in the league and his pay should be somewhere above $20 million guaranteed... at least. I don't agree with it but that's how it works. Nate Clements is making more than Bailey, right? Bulger just signed a contract that pays him equal if not more than Tom Brady. KC needs to offer LJ a legitimate contract for his status. Not the $13-14 million dollar guaranteed ones that we've been hearing about.

Usually one side will cave and give in to the demands but this situation looks too far apart money-wise. Because it appears that LJ won't command much in return, his value is higher to the Chiefs than to other teams. So I don't see how KC can come out a winner in this thing. Either they give in and pay him what he wants, they trade him for less than they want in return, or he holds out and plays the minimum amount of games to gain credit for the season and KC gets nothing for him.

It's fairly obvious you know little about how contract negotiations work in the NFL.

He can play 6 games at 1.7 million. Then pay his fines for holding out. Not to mention I think he will owe them money for the games he didn't play. Probably owing KC money while playing 6 games for free. Only to be franchised next season for his efforts.

While LJ certainly has "some" leverage in that he may hold out. He doesn't have any more leverage than the Chiefs. It's in his best interest to play football.

[azbroncfan]

Travis Henry is no LT either, so is he overrated? LJ is by no means overated. The guy has proven he is the 2nd best RB in the NFL the last 2 years.
LJ's problems are that he doesn't block well and he doesn't excel at catching the ball in the flat and making teams pay(Priest was really good at both of these faults).

And LJ will not be traded. Even more proof from King Carl himself...

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/07/27/qa_with_carl_peterson__727/

: There are always rumor and innuendo about trading Larry including that the Packers are interested.

PETERSON: “First of all, I have no intention whatsoever of trading Larry Johnson. Like before there was a lot of speculation on that; I have had no teams – zero – call me with an interest in trading for Larry.
“I think the obvious is that any team that would have an interest in him realizes that the compensation they would have to give to the Kansas City Chiefs in draft choices plus the contract that his agent is currently asking for makes it quite prohibitive for anybody to step up to all of that. But I have had no team call me and I have no interest in giving permission to Larry’s representative to shop him because I want him here. He’s a valuable, talented, outstanding football player that I think has my complete support and has done the things we wanted him to do.”

You dumb F$^KiNG mullethead as your comprehension is about on a kindergarden level. This is about money not talent. Henry was signed to a very cheap deal for these days. Pretty funny no teams have wanted a head case such as LJ and there are only a handful of coaches LJ can relate to.

[Cito Pelon]

Carl vs LJ. A case of two jackasses braying at each other. It will be fun to see these two jackasses shoot themselves in the foot.

[elsid13]

I'd rather the Chiefs keep LJ for 2 more years or whatever then get even a single first rounder.

They are not going to get a 1st rounder for him. If they trade him the value would equate to high to mid 2nd rounder.

[That One Guy]

If I were LJ, I'd show up at camp and just walk over and ride the bike all day. I'm sure it would be argued but I'd imagine his presence at TC would suffice to avoid being fined. I don't know how much one can be fined for not listening to the staff. Then he could go through the season and just not show up on game day and only be charged 14K x 10 games and then come out to play the last 6. Then if they franchise him, repeat. I'd take 7MIL to ride the bike all day and play 6 games and then just give back 140K at the end of the year.

[DeuceOfClub]

I think that now, LJ is expendable… (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2949349&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

[theAPAOps5]

Wow. Just wow. Is that some attempt at logic? Do you even know what you or anyone else here is arguing? Travis Henry is already signed as wasn't asking for LT type money! LJ is not signed and he is asking for a contract that size.:mullet1:

Kaylor don't bother. You can't fix stupid. His usual retort is we are Homers but in this case no one is claiming Henry is LT he just threw that out there. KCDud is just dumb.

[DukeWoody]

Kaylor don't bother. You can't fix stupid. His usual retort is we are Homers but in this case no one is claiming Henry is LT he just threw that out there. KCDud is just dumb.

:spit: "You can't fix stupid"seems to be the recurring theme for the worthless :mullet2: troll...You ever notice how KCdud,K-Mart and Bobo all have very similar post response and tendency...Im just saying these 3 trolls may be 1,or its just some kind rare:mullet1: gene they have when your a cheaps fan...:D

[That One Guy]

:spit: "You can't fix stupid"seems to be the recurring theme for the worthless :mullet2: troll...You ever notice how KCdud,K-Mart and Bobo all have very similar post response and tendency...Im just saying these 3 trolls may be 1,or its just some kind rare:mullet1: gene they have when your a cheaps fan...:D

They're mullet fans, you KNOW they have the same genes. It's not like there's more than 2 sets in that whole state...

[Orange_Beard]

Nuttin' like throwing gas on the fire.........

When will he start with the Brady is no Jay Cutler?

[KCStud]

That doesn't make any sense at all. I'm convinced you have some kind of learning disability. Overrated doesn't mean they suck it means that people say they are better than they really are. LJ could still be a good running back but just isn't "the second best running back in all of football" and thus be overrated. That rating has nothing at all to do with Travis Henry. I don't think you get it, but then you don't get a lot of things...

Ok than how about you and the rest of the hillbillies on the board tell us KC fans who is the 2nd back in the NFL since it's apparently not LJ.
It's funny that you hillbillies pump up Travis Henry. Some of you even think he will make the pro bowl.
LJ does deserve money that is relatively close to LT's. There is no arguing that.
It looks to me like you are seriously lacking in the reading comprehension area. I was clearly arguing the fact about LJ being overated, while Travis Henry is not, regardless of their contract situations.

[That One Guy]

Ok than how about you and the rest of the hillbillies on the board tell us KC fans who is the 2nd back in the NFL since it's apparently not LJ.
It's funny that you hillbillies pump up Travis Henry. Some of you even think he will make the pro bowl.
LJ does deserve money that is relatively close to LT's. There is no arguing that.
It looks to me like you are seriously lacking in the reading comprehension area. I was clearly arguing the fact about LJ being overated, while Travis Henry is not, regardless of their contract situations.

Looks like someone is determined to take this discussion where he wants...

Nobody is saying Henry is the greatest thing ever... we just think that with the Denver system and his skills, it could be a perfect match. Throw in Cutler's downfield ability and he could really open some eyes. None of that can really be argued, we're just saying we like his potential.

As for LJ, when a RB is doing great they get the credit but when they're doing bad, it's blamed on the OL. Maybe the deal is that LJ was just behind a good line and wasn't purely amazing two years ago and last year he showed his above average self. That's why he's thought to be overrated.

And the 2nd best RB? One could maybe make a point for LJ... Steven Jackson is getting a lot of hype these days and nobody can deny what Gore did behind his Oline... An oline that I can't name a single player on. That's fairly impressive. Overall, LJ to me is no more than another Shaun Alexander.. behind a great Oline, they can light up the world. They're still human though and when the steck isn't so stacked for em, they show it. 2nd RB isn't as clear as #1 RB is but I think there's more arguement for others than LJ.

[DenverBrit]

I was clearly arguing the fact about LJ being overated, while Travis Henry is not, regardless of their contract situations.

You're not 'clearly' arguing anything. LOL

[bmanhas]

Travis Henry is no LT either, so is he overrated? LJ is by no means overated. The guy has proven he is the 2nd best RB in the NFL the last 2 years.
LJ's problems are that he doesn't block well and he doesn't excel at catching the ball in the flat and making teams pay(Priest was really good at both of these faults).

And LJ will not be traded. Even more proof from King Carl himself...

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/07/27/qa_with_carl_peterson__727/

: There are always rumor and innuendo about trading Larry including that the Packers are interested.

PETERSON: “First of all, I have no intention whatsoever of trading Larry Johnson. Like before there was a lot of speculation on that; I have had no teams – zero – call me with an interest in trading for Larry.
“I think the obvious is that any team that would have an interest in him realizes that the compensation they would have to give to the Kansas City Chiefs in draft choices plus the contract that his agent is currently asking for makes it quite prohibitive for anybody to step up to all of that. But I have had no team call me and I have no interest in giving permission to Larry’s representative to shop him because I want him here. He’s a valuable, talented, outstanding football player that I think has my complete support and has done the things we wanted him to do.”

I'll take S.Jackson ahead of LJ on a pure talent level.

[bmanhas]

Nate Clements is making more than Bailey, right?


Even though Clements contract is bigger, the last year is fluff and is for salary cap purposes. The real deal averages out less than what Bailey makes.

[DukeWoody]

There's no denying LJ put in alot of work the last two years,(almost 50% of their OF)and deserves a larger contract...He would be foolish to play like a rented muel again this year for the 1.7m he is schedueled to earn...
If he were to get injured,he can kiss over 20m in guaranteed money goodbye,so holding-out is definitely the wright thing to do...
Does he deserve LT money?No,but he does deserve top 3-4 back money because he's still fairly young at 27,and has only really put in two full seasons of play since coming in the NFL...
I see King Carl doing his typical mismanagment skit and turning this into a full blown pissing contest,as was already seen on the NFL network yesterday...In the end,cheaps still suck and GO BRONCOS!!

[That One Guy]

There's no denying LJ put in alot of work the last two years,(almost 50% of their OF)and deserves a larger contract...He would be foolish to play like a rented muel again this year for the 1.7m he is schedueled to earn...
If he were to get injured,he can kiss over 20m in guaranteed money goodbye,so holding-out is definitely the wright thing to do...
Does he deserve LT money?No,but he does deserve top 3-4 back money because he's still fairly young at 27,and has only really put in two full seasons of play since coming in the NFL...
I see King Carl doing his typical mismanagment skit and turning this into a full blown pissing contest,as was already seen on the NFL network yesterday...In the end,cheaps still suck and GO BRONCOS!!

Yes LJ has put in a lot of work and that'll pay off when he finally gets his next contract. Unfortunately for him and every other player out there, once he signs that contract then it's not the team's problem whether he likes it or not. Also, the fact that they can run him like a mule is part of his appeal. It's definitely not the 4.3 yds per carry that would make someone demand an LT like contract.

[DukeWoody]

Yes LJ has put in a lot of work and that'll pay off when he finally gets his next contract. Unfortunately for him and every other player out there, once he signs that contract then it's not the team's problem whether he likes it or not. Also, the fact that they can run him like a mule is part of his appeal. It's definitely not the 4.3 yds per carry that would make someone demand an LT like contract.

He'll have a new contract,either with the chefs or elsewhere before he runs another yard,you can bet on it...

[That One Guy]

He'll have a new contract,either with the chefs or elsewhere before he runs another yard,you can bet on it...

I don't doubt it but I think his value is inflated and he'll be exposed as a fraud if he takes home LT money.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It's definitely not the 4.3 yds per carry that would make someone demand an LT like contract.

LT has averaged 3.6, 3.9 and 4.3 YPC in the past.

[That One Guy]

LT has averaged 3.6, 3.9 and 4.3 YPC in the past.

Good point, he has had a few down years in there. I believe that '04 season was when he was nursing his ribs most of the season though.

[KCStud]

Looks like someone is determined to take this discussion where he wants...

Nobody is saying Henry is the greatest thing ever... we just think that with the Denver system and his skills, it could be a perfect match. Throw in Cutler's downfield ability and he could really open some eyes. None of that can really be argued, we're just saying we like his potential.

As for LJ, when a RB is doing great they get the credit but when they're doing bad, it's blamed on the OL. Maybe the deal is that LJ was just behind a good line and wasn't purely amazing two years ago and last year he showed his above average self. That's why he's thought to be overrated.

And the 2nd best RB? One could maybe make a point for LJ... Steven Jackson is getting a lot of hype these days and nobody can deny what Gore did behind his Oline... An oline that I can't name a single player on. That's fairly impressive. Overall, LJ to me is no more than another Shaun Alexander.. behind a great Oline, they can light up the world. They're still human though and when the steck isn't so stacked for em, they show it. 2nd RB isn't as clear as #1 RB is but I think there's more arguement for others than LJ.

I can understand people saying LJ was overated back when Roaf was here, but not last year. KC's OL was below average last season. Roaf was gone and was replaced by Jordan Black who was flat out horrible. Herm didn't even want LJ to run sweeps on the left side anymore unless Gonzo was over there blocking(one way our offense was so predictable). Shields is a great player, but you could tell he was not the same last year. He gave up 6 sacks last season, the most he has ever given up in a season. He was also showing his age out there, specifically when we played the Ravens.
Turley was our starter at RT. He looked bad out there. And our only true starter this year, Waters, was hurt and out for 3 games.
LJ did a lot more than expected with a below average OL. I just don't see how he is overrated after he did what he did last season.

[KCStud]

LJ will not be taking anywhere near as many snaps as last year. The only reason LJ did last year was because his backup, Michael Bennett, was hurt last season.
KC is much deeper at RB now. LJ, Bennett, 5th round draft pick Kolby Smith, and it's very possible Priest Holmes gets some carries this year as well

[That One Guy]

I can understand people saying LJ was overated back when Roaf was here, but not last year. KC's OL was below average last season. Roaf was gone and was replaced by Jordan Black who was flat out horrible. Herm didn't even want LJ to run sweeps on the left side anymore unless Gonzo was over there blocking(one way our offense was so predictable). Shields is a great player, but you could tell he was not the same last year. He gave up 6 sacks last season, the most he has ever given up in a season. He was also showing his age out there, specifically when we played the Ravens.
Turley was our starter at RT. He looked bad out there. And our only true starter this year, Waters, was hurt and out for 3 games.
LJ did a lot more than expected with a below average OL. I just don't see how he is overrated after he did what he did last season.

I understand where you're coming from, part of the issue is that Shields was there in name so that's still brought up despite the fact that he may not have been his old self anymore. Ultimately though, I watched the Broncos with the worse OL in years out there last year and Mike Bell managed 4.3 a carry while Tater managed 4.4. The Broncos threw out an UDFA and Foster and there were games like the Pitt game where there was absolutely no holes to be found but they still came out of the season on par with KC. I'll admit I don't watch enough of the KC games to be able to really say but I can't imagine KCs line going from what it was 2 years ago to worse than what we fielded last year. Even if it was, if you have an elite RB they should be able to manage something. I know you can't run if theres no holes but... elite players make things happen. If they don't, then they're nothing special. If you make the hole big enough, I can run 5 yds through it. It's what they can do when the line doesn't make it easy for em that should make the name for em. I know LJ did some on his own, but I'm just not sufficiently impressed to think he gets credit for doing anything truly special.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Even if it was, if you have an elite RB they should be able to manage something.

Yeah well, 2,200 total yards and 19 touchdowns...not too shabby, eh?

BTW, there's no question the Broncos had a better line that KC last year. No question at all.

[That One Guy]

Yeah well, 2,200 total yards and 19 touchdowns...not too shabby, eh?

BTW, there's no question the Broncos had a better line that KC last year. No question at all.

19 TDs is impressive but the fact that he got 2200 yds would be something if he didn't have going on 500 touches. The only accomplishment there is that he didn't end up on the IR.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

19 TDs is impressive but the fact that he got 2200 yds would be something if he didn't have going on 500 touches. The only accomplishment there is that he didn't end up on the IR.

Again, no one said anything when LT was averaging UNDER 4 YPC. Why should it be any different for LJ? He had a great, great year.

[DukeWoody]

The 4.3 ypc isn't anything special to look at,but the way he did it you have to give credit...He worked his arse off to get those 1750 yards and was basically half your OF...

[That One Guy]

Again, no one said anything when LT was averaging UNDER 4 YPC. Why should it be any different for LJ? He had a great, great year.

To be honest, we probably just want LJ to fail because he's annoying and Chefs fans are annoying. At this point there's no way to know whether LJ is a legit elite RB or if he's just lucky and got to run behind a good line. You can't say for certain whether it was one or the other. I'm gonna stick to believing that it was a matter of a good line made the elite RB and when the good line dissolved, so did the elite RB. We'll have to wait and see though.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

At this point there's no way to know whether LJ is a legit elite RB .

Yes there is. Last year.

Do you honestly believe scrubs like Tatum and Mike Bell could have averaged 4.3 YPC on 416 carries behind the KC line last year?

[Florida_Bronco]

To be honest, we probably just want LJ to fail because he's annoying and Chefs fans are annoying. At this point there's no way to know whether LJ is a legit elite RB or if he's just lucky and got to run behind a good line. You can't say for certain whether it was one or the other. I'm gonna stick to believing that it was a matter of a good line made the elite RB and when the good line dissolved, so did the elite RB. We'll have to wait and see though.

LJ is pretty much a shooting star. He'll burn bright for a few seasons and then fade out, ultimately to be forgotten in a few years. When all is said and done he'll be remembered only by those who are Chiefs fans.

[Inkana7]

Yes there is. Last year.

Do you honestly believe scrubs like Tatum and Mike Bell could have averaged 4.3 YPC on 416 carries behind the KC line last year?

Nice deflection. No one ever came close to calling Mike and Tatum Bell "elite backs". This is from an old post of mine.

Give a man 400 carries and he'll get at least 1,500 yards. Out of 5 400 carry backs and one 397 carry back, the very worse amount of yardage was 1509. Dickerson and Anderson both cracked 1,800. Gerald Riggs, Mr. 397, cracked 1,700. James Wilder had 1,544. LJ isn't that special. LT had 68 less carries and 26 more yards. Frank Gore averaged, what, 5.4 Yards per carry? Name someone on San Francisco's line.

LJ Isn't special. He's a big powerful guy who gets lots of carries.

[400HZ]

Nice deflection. No one ever came close to calling Mike and Tatum Bell "elite backs". This is from an old post of mine.

Give a man 400 carries and he'll get at least 1,500 yards. Out of 5 400 carry backs and one 397 carry back, the very worse amount of yardage was 1509. Dickerson and Anderson both cracked 1,800. Gerald Riggs, Mr. 397, cracked 1,700. James Wilder had 1,544. LJ isn't that special. LT had 68 less carries and 26 more yards. Frank Gore averaged, what, 5.4 Yards per carry? Name someone on San Francisco's line.

LJ Isn't special. He's a big powerful guy who gets lots of carries.

Larry Allen? ;D

[400HZ]

This is definetely my favorite story of the year, by the way. I've seen some pathetic bungling in the past, SD definetely included, but the sheer stupidity of this LJ saga is AWESOME! Carl...do you want to have even a shred of hope for an offense ranked above #32 next year? Then pay your best player what he's worth, dumbass! But he won't!!!! I love it.

[DukeWoody]

This is definetely my favorite story of the year, by the way. I've seen some pathetic bungling in the past, SD definetely included, but the sheer stupidity of this LJ saga is AWESOME! Carl...do you want to have even a shred of hope for an offense ranked above #32 next year? Then pay your best player what he's worth, dumbass! But he won't!!!! I love it.

But according to king carl,the "PRIEST" is coming back to anwser the LJ hold out sinners prayers...:pray: Poor,poor :mullet2: don't seem to relize what their in fore,without LJ manning the RB spot,its going to be a long,long season...:~ohyah!:

[That One Guy]

Did they already open TC to make this holdout official?

[DukeWoody]

Did they already open TC to make this holdout official?

Uh hu,holdout day #1 started yesterday, and plans to prosperously grow into a healthy full blown holdout in just a few more weeks...:~ohyah!:

[KCStud]

Without LJ, KC would probably have a RB tandem like Denver did last year with Bell and Tator Tot.
Carl never said he doesn't want him. I'll say it again. The reason LJ is holding out is because of money, not the Chiefs.

[KCStud]

Uh hu,holdout day #1 started yesterday, and plans to prosperously grow into a healthy full blown holdout in just a few more weeks...:~ohyah!:

I don't see what the big deal is. If LJ doesn't go to most of training camp, so be it. As long as LJ is there in Houston on the opener I am happy. It's not like he doesn't know the plays..

[Inkana7]

Without LJ, KC would probably have a RB tandem like Denver did last year with Bell and Tator Tot.
Carl never said he doesn't want him. I'll say it again. The reason LJ is holding out is because of money, not the Chiefs.

And the Chiefs happen to be the folks not wanting to pay LJ.

[KCStud]

And the Chiefs happen to be the folks not wanting to pay LJ.

Care to prove that because it's not true. The problem is not whether to pay LJ or not. The problem is how much money does he deserve. Carl also offered LJ a deal

[Inkana7]

I don't see what the big deal is. If LJ doesn't go to most of training camp, so be it. As long as LJ is there in Houston on the opener I am happy. It's not like he doesn't know the plays..

Then you've never played football on any level before in your life. It's hard just to remember a High School playbook after an offseason. And I'm not partying with Jay-Z.

And chemistry with your line is very important for a running back. KC's supposed to have an "OMG Impr0v3d" line this year, right? New faces. I bet practicing with them would help.

Not participating in training camp also increases the odds of getting hurt playing.

[Inkana7]

Care to prove that because it's not true. The problem is not whether to pay LJ or not. The problem is how much money does he deserve

If you had half a brain cell you'd realize that not thinking LJ is worth as much as he believes he is can be filed under "not paying". And I can prove that very easily: LJ is in contract negotiations with the Kansas City Chiefs. No one else.

Dumbass.

[theAPAOps5]

Then you've never played football on any level before in your life. It's hard just to remember a High School playbook after an offseason. And I'm not partying with Jay-Z.

And chemistry with your line is very important for a running back. KC's supposed to have an "OMG Impr0v3d" line this year, right? New faces. I bet practicing with them would help.

Not participating in training camp also increases the odds of getting hurt playing.

Do you see the tripe he posts? Of course the dude hasn't played the game.

[KCStud]

If you had half a brain cell you'd realize that not thinking LJ is worth as much as he believes he is can be filed under "not paying". And I can prove that very easily: LJ is in contract negotiations with the Kansas City Chiefs. No one else.

Dumbass.

Carl offered LJ a deal awhile back. Try looking up the facts before spouting off. The offer was sent to LJ in early June and refused. He most likely wants even more now that guys like Redding and Polamalu have big deals.

If I was LJ, I would have held out too. If Kendrell Bell was making more money than me, than I would be pissed off

[Inkana7]

Carl offered LJ a deal awhile back. Try looking up the facts before spouting off. The offer was sent to LJ in early June and refused. He most likely wants even more now that guys like Redding and Polamalu have big deals.

If I was LJ, I would have held out too. If Kendrell Bell was making more money than me, than I would be pissed off

<_<

.....Do you read posts or do you just hit New Post as soon as a thought somehow reaches your brain?

[KCStud]

<_<

.....Do you read posts or do you just hit New Post as soon as a thought somehow reaches your brain?

Do you always spout off nonsense and have nothing to say about the topic at hand? Must be the schools in hillbillyville.

You are obviously wrong. If Carl didn't want to pay him, then why did he offer LJ a deal in June?

[Inkana7]

Do you always spout off nonsense and have nothing to say about the topic at hand? Must be the schools in hillbillyville.

You are obviously wrong. If Carl didn't want to pay him, then why did he offer LJ a deal in June?

You are obviously incapable of reading. Go back. I never said he didn't want to pay him. I implied that he's lowballing him. I'll save you the work of looking that up. It means he's not willing to pay him what he's worth.

[theAPAOps5]

You are obviously incabable of reading. Go back. I never said he didn't want to pay him. I implied that he's lowballing him. I'll save you the work of looking that up. It means he's not willing to pay him what he's worth.

You didn't save him any time. You used words longer than 3 letters.

[That One Guy]

Do you always spout off nonsense and have nothing to say about the topic at hand? Must be the schools in hillbillyville.

You are obviously wrong. If Carl didn't want to pay him, then why did he offer LJ a deal in June?

Did anyone say Peterson wanted LJ to play for free this year? You keep arguing that point and noone is arguing against you. The issue is that while they will pay him, they wont pay him what he wants...

[Inkana7]

You didn't save him any time. You used words longer than 3 letters.

Too true. I don't know why I try. Maybe I want to accomplish something good in this world. Educate the ignorant.

[theAPAOps5]

Like I said before, with KCDud you just can't fix stupid. He is a Chief Homer and doesn't want to hear otherwise. He makes Bob look sane and rational and I never thought I would use Bob, sane, and rational in the same sentence.

[Inkana7]

Like I said before, with KCDud you just can't fix stupid. He is a Chief Homer and doesn't want to hear otherwise. He makes Bob look sane and rational and I never thought I would use Bob, sane, and rational in the same sentence.

Unless the words "is" and "not" are in that same sentence.

[DukeWoody]

And the Chiefs happen to be the folks not wanting to pay LJ.

Ink7,their holding on to a prayer....I don't want to go into this anymore than i have too,its very simple,but the thick,don't get the trip...Its very ammusing to see just how desperate some of these :mullet1: fans have become...
No matter how many times you tell them how the LJ holdout is going to affect their OF production and seasons wins,they just seem to try and wish it away,like its some kind of fairytale...
Its reality,so get use to it,because its here to stay,and by the sounds of king carls remarks,it'll be around for awhile...
Hey KCdud,keep grassping at those staws,im sure you'll find one that floats,sooner or later,ya right...

[That One Guy]

I don't think I've ever had a problem with any of the KC fans personally but I just can't understand how they can be so optomistic (sp?) right now, especially with Peterson making statements to the media criticizing LJ. That's just gonna make him want to spite them even more. As long as they're on good terms, maybe LJ would just say screw it, get a promise not to franchise and go play... now with the comments being made, that's not gonna happen. I wouldn't be happy if I were going into the season with Michael Bennett and Kolby Smith... though I guess that's comparable to what we had last year. A fragile burner and an unknown.

[fdf]

...and there's no way he's worth LT type money...

No wonder LJ can't relate to him. He's right.

[DukeWoody]

No wonder LJ can't relate to him. He's right.

Did you say white?or right?sounds the same,never mind,carry on,my mistake...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No matter how many times you tell them how the LJ holdout is going to affect their OF production and seasons wins,they just seem to try and wish it away,like its some kind of fairytale..

Without LJ we're ****ed. That's been my stance since the beginning of time.

[TheNextStep]

Yes LJ has put in a lot of work and that'll pay off when he finally gets his next contract. Unfortunately for him and every other player out there, once he signs that contract then it's not the team's problem whether he likes it or not. Also, the fact that they can run him like a mule is part of his appeal. It's definitely not the 4.3 yds per carry that would make someone demand an LT like contract.

Forgive me for saying so, but that's so incredibly naive that I can't believe that nobody else called you out over it. For starters, any time your starting ANYTHING says that he's not going to participate in practices or (potentially) games, it is your problem. When it is a guy who is the most potent player on your offense, it is your problem. To say otherwise is utterly ridiculous.

Further, I'm not one who buys that, "Screw it, he's under contract" argument. I'm a guy who supports players' abilities to hold out when they've outperformed their contract. Why? Because the contract is not unbreakable. Word out of Tampa is that Simeon Rice was ordered to take a pay cut... despite the fact that he was under contract. When he balked, the Bucs cut him... despite the fact that he was under contract. As soon as the NFL starts guaranteeing contracts (which I hope they never do), I'll say that players should never hold out. Until then, however...

[TheNextStep]

Nice deflection. No one ever came close to calling Mike and Tatum Bell "elite backs". This is from an old post of mine.

Give a man 400 carries and he'll get at least 1,500 yards. Out of 5 400 carry backs and one 397 carry back, the very worse amount of yardage was 1509. Dickerson and Anderson both cracked 1,800. Gerald Riggs, Mr. 397, cracked 1,700. James Wilder had 1,544. LJ isn't that special. LT had 68 less carries and 26 more yards. Frank Gore averaged, what, 5.4 Yards per carry? Name someone on San Francisco's line.

LJ Isn't special. He's a big powerful guy who gets lots of carries.

I would argue that the fact that LJ is a big, powerful guy who can handle that many carries does, indeed, make him pretty special.

[DukeWoody]

Without LJ we're ****ed. That's been my stance since the beginning of time.

Bobo,you've actually remained one of the more sensible :mullet1:fans in this debate,and realize,that without LJ,your season is going to be a difficult one at best...
If i was a chef fan,and LJ ended up leaving the team because of contract despute,i would definitely leave with him and continue to root for LJ and his new team...Im just sayin,thats just me,how about you?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

If i was a chef fan,and LJ ended up leaving the team because of contract despute,i would definitely leave with him and continue to root for LJ and his new team...Im just sayin,thats just me,how about you?


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=166469

[DukeWoody]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=166469

Whoa!Let the witching hunt beggin!!They must be coming after you with pitchforks and torches for that kind of unloyal defect...
P.S. I would never root for a player and leave my team for them,no matter how good they are...Team first all the friggen time,period...Seems like you need to get your priorities straight,but,to each is own,you'll learn one day,as this whole NFL thing seems fairly new to you anyhow...:wiggle:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

**** you.

[DukeWoody]

**** you.

Common Boba,enlighten me,does your NFL existance really just revolve around one above average player?Or is there any hope for you to actually understand the cheering for a team aspect?No matter win or lose,with or without premier players,or backing them in times of uncertainty,and times of prolonged failure...I mean,thats what its all about,sticking with your team no matter what,and being there through thick and thin for as long as it takes to taste sweet victory again...
Tell me you understand this concept of being a true fan,or are you stuck in the fairwether part too even give a damn,my guess is the latter and you will never change, with every oppurtunity too widen your (its all about me)range...^5

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Tell me you understand this concept of being a true fan,or are you stuck in the fairwether part too even give a damn.

Larry Johnson was 13 when I started watching the Chiefs. Does that answer your question?

[KCStud]

Bob, don't waste your time with these hillbillies. All they do is twist words around and avoid truth. The rest of the time they stroke their homer poles to Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, and Brandon Marshall.

Let the kids dream. We all know that nobody in the west is going deep this year...

[Florida_Bronco]

Bob, don't waste your time with these hillbillies. All they do is twist words around and avoid truth. The rest of the time they stroke their homer poles to Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, and Brandon Marshall.

Let the kids dream. We all know that nobody in the west is going deep this year...

ROFL! LOL Hilarious! :~ohyah!:

Oh boy...that was pure gold!

[That One Guy]

I don't know which is more lame... that this guy is baiting Boob and then attacking him for it or the fact that Boob is so lame as to walk into the trap.

[That One Guy]

Forgive me for saying so, but that's so incredibly naive that I can't believe that nobody else called you out over it. For starters, any time your starting ANYTHING says that he's not going to participate in practices or (potentially) games, it is your problem. When it is a guy who is the most potent player on your offense, it is your problem. To say otherwise is utterly ridiculous.

Further, I'm not one who buys that, "Screw it, he's under contract" argument. I'm a guy who supports players' abilities to hold out when they've outperformed their contract. Why? Because the contract is not unbreakable. Word out of Tampa is that Simeon Rice was ordered to take a pay cut... despite the fact that he was under contract. When he balked, the Bucs cut him... despite the fact that he was under contract. As soon as the NFL starts guaranteeing contracts (which I hope they never do), I'll say that players should never hold out. Until then, however...

I agree with that if you have someone making the league minimum who starts making heads turn on a weekly basis. I believe Mike Anderson was making only like 2 or 400000 in his rookie year when he went for 1500. I can understand if he wants to protect his future a bit more when that's all he's making. On a single play they could essentially lose the ability to play B-ball with their kids or rough house on the floor. I can understand wanting to be compensated if they lost that ability. LJ signed a contract that pays him in the millions, that's sufficient money. Not to mention, Anderson's rookie year when he made peanuts was the first year of his contract. LJ is one freakin' year away from his big payday and just has to go prove himself one last time but he wont. He should get them to concede that they wont franchise him and then show up. Once he shows up, tell em if there isn't a long term deal by the start of the season then he walks to the extra money of free agency. He'd get his deal in the end unless he truly thinks he'll never be the same after his 400 carry year, which is everyone elses fear and why they wont pay him, I'd imagine.

EDIT: and as for it being the team's issue to deal with... the team made it their issue by not having another weapon on that offense. They have no other legit RBs or WRs... an aging tight end is the closest they have to a weapon, that makes it their problem and forces them to deal with it. I feel confident that any player of the Broncos could attempt a hold out and they could manage a winning season. Same with the Colts, same with the Pats, same with a lot of teams. That's not the case in KC.

[Broncos_OTM]

Do you always spout off nonsense and have nothing to say about the topic at hand? Must be the schools in hillbillyville.

You are obviously wrong. If Carl didn't want to pay him, then why did he offer LJ a deal in June?

they want to pay him something they consider reasonable. and well at this point its not reasonable. either that or they are tryin to deflate his worth. obviously you are not a good negotiator if you dont atleast look out for the best intrest in your org

[Vladimir]

If they do end up getting rid of LJ I hope to see him in Green Bay where he wont be too much trouble to the AFC west anymore :P

[Broncos_OTM]

Alot of backs in the NFL have carried close to 400 carries a year.

Also you have to point out that he did play a playoff game last year so you can add a few more carries.

I'm all for a player getting what he is worth. if he negotiaties a contract that is gonna pay him a crap load of money. He should be held to a standard and if he doesnt make the standard. he has to pay back.

Gerrard warren got a big deal. and he did not live up to it. some speculate he got his big payday and slacked off some think that part of his issue was due to injury. so it was within the org's right (IMO) to make him give up some dough. but if he comes out this next year and dominates i think the org should give some money back to him.

[JJJ]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=166469

I used this link expecting to see a site stuffed full of good KC football threads. But there was almost nothing about football there. Lots of weak weak threads. I didn't expect this for football starved KC folks.

If you are into Lindsay Lohan and Arab princesses talk, ChiefsPlanet is your place.

[boltaneer]

It's fairly obvious you know little about how contract negotiations work in the NFL.

He can play 6 games at 1.7 million. Then pay his fines for holding out. Not to mention I think he will owe them money for the games he didn't play. Probably owing KC money while playing 6 games for free. Only to be franchised next season for his efforts.

While LJ certainly has "some" leverage in that he may hold out. He doesn't have any more leverage than the Chiefs. It's in his best interest to play football.

I know they can franchise him. We all know this is a very real possibility. I've brought this up in past threads.

And just as it's in the best interest for LJ to play football, it's also in the best interest of the Chiefs to get this situation resolved sooner than later.

Not being a Chief's fan, I find it absolutely comical at how fast the Chiefs offense went from being one of the elite in the NFL to potentially one of the worst this season (if they lose LJ or he sits out most of the year).

[That One Guy]

Alot of backs in the NFL have carried close to 400 carries a year.

Also you have to point out that he did play a playoff game last year so you can add a few more carries.

I'm all for a player getting what he is worth. if he negotiaties a contract that is gonna pay him a crap load of money. He should be held to a standard and if he doesnt make the standard. he has to pay back.

Gerrard warren got a big deal. and he did not live up to it. some speculate he got his big payday and slacked off some think that part of his issue was due to injury. so it was within the org's right (IMO) to make him give up some dough. but if he comes out this next year and dominates i think the org should give some money back to him.

I think teams should force rookies to sign incentive laden contracts. If a RB takes more then 60% of the carries for a team, pay him as a starting RB. If a RB gets 1500 yds, pay him as a RB that gets 1500 yds. Don't just throw money at em all day long and hope they perform. I think if they did it, they could really make the team and football as a whole better. Then it'd truly be a matter of the best players on the field because you wouldn't have to start a guy because you just gave him a gazillion dollars guaranteed. The players wouldn't go for it though because they know the possibility of being a bust is there and they want to make sure they get theirs whether they're worth it or not.

[Broncos_OTM]

I think another thing we have to take in account with that that some rookies just dont start.

[That One Guy]

I think another thing we have to take in account with that that some rookies just dont start.

How much should they really make that year if they don't start nor meet any real statistical achievements?

[theAPAOps5]

Forgive me for saying so, but that's so incredibly naive that I can't believe that nobody else called you out over it. For starters, any time your starting ANYTHING says that he's not going to participate in practices or (potentially) games, it is your problem. When it is a guy who is the most potent player on your offense, it is your problem. To say otherwise is utterly ridiculous.

Further, I'm not one who buys that, "Screw it, he's under contract" argument. I'm a guy who supports players' abilities to hold out when they've outperformed their contract. Why? Because the contract is not unbreakable. Word out of Tampa is that Simeon Rice was ordered to take a pay cut... despite the fact that he was under contract. When he balked, the Bucs cut him... despite the fact that he was under contract. As soon as the NFL starts guaranteeing contracts (which I hope they never do), I'll say that players should never hold out. Until then, however...

I agree with you to a point. But now that the front load those contracts with so much guaranteed money that takes away the sympathy from me for players who demand more money before the contract is up. But its a weird situation because the teams ultimately have the say.

Its a suck situation for LJ and the Chiefs because they both have valid arguments. Carl should have kept it in house though.

[Broncos_OTM]

How much should they really make that year if they don't start nor meet any real statistical achievements?
Umm really good question. i would say give everyone a one year garuntee. and then after there first year renegotiate. i really dont know how this could be worked but i do know giving a rookie a garuntee of 30 million is crazy

[That One Guy]

Umm really good question. i would say give everyone a one year garuntee. and then after there first year renegotiate. i really dont know how this could be worked but i do know giving a rookie a garuntee of 30 million is crazy

Unfortunately no such change would ever happen short of a lockout or a huge change to the CBA. It would be a monumental change and agents would hate it. I'd have to think everyone that wasn't a top 10 pick would be for it. Especially vets who'd be cut to make room for 30MIL rookies.

[ZachKC]

Thanks to cdcox on Chiefs Planet for making a decent spectrum and representation of where this situation is at right now.

Situation
Quandary
Sticky Situation <==== we are here
Predicament
Dilemma
Impasse
Quagmire
Awful fix
Debacle
Disaster
Fiasco
Calamity
Tragedy
Catastrophe
State of ruin
Cluster f***
Point of No Return
Day of Reckoning
Apocalypse

[theAPAOps5]

I'd say that is accurate Zach. How long do you think he holds out?

[ZachKC]

I'd say that is accurate Zach. How long do you think he holds out?

It is just one of those deals. I don't pretend to know. Some little points though...

- Both sides need eachother too much to not get this deal done. CP has a history of showing the money to our big name players...it isn't always pretty but it gets done. The thing that is most important to LJ is being thought of as one of the elite backs in the history of this game. He can't do that on the sideline. There are also not a lot of people that are going to pay him what the Chiefs probably have on the table. And if they do can he get an offensive that is as suited to him as this one is?

- The more he misses camp the more he misses out on constant national media exposure via Hard Knocks. What better way for a player in a small market to try to get saturate his own name for better exposure...and possible business deals.

This is a crazy game. I mean Priest Holmes is ****ing running around in Wisconsin right now. I don't pretend to know what the hell will happen. It is fun and exciting though.

[Atwater His Ass]

Thanks to cdcox on Chiefs Planet for making a decent spectrum and representation of where this situation is at right now.

Situation
Quandary
Sticky Situation <==== we are here
Predicament
Dilemma
Impasse
Quagmire
Awful fix
Debacle
Disaster
Fiasco
Calamity
Tragedy
Catastrophe
State of ruin
Cluster ****
Point of No Return
Day of Reckoning
Apocalypse

I think this is fairly accurate. However, it must be concerning as a chefs fan to see that it even got to this point. Although the apocalypse isn't immenent, this thing could quickly spiral out of control, especially considering the personalities of the people involved.

[Broncojef]

So when does this situation become a predicament and we start sliding down the scale? I'm anxiously hoping to see the bottom of this scale...its the Chefs for Christ sake.

[That One Guy]

I expect the worst, pray for the best in this situation. The worst being he plays, the best being he sits the whole season.

[DeuceOfClub]

....

LJ isn't going to hold out. I guarantee it. If LJ holds out I'll leave the Mane forever.


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1608004&postcount=15

[That One Guy]

$10 says he starts finding wriggle room... "Oh, I meant if he held out till the season, preseason doesn't count"

[theAPAOps5]

Bob is lower than pond scum. You don't listen to anything he says especially a promise. He would sell his mom out, the woman he has chosen to spend the rest of his life with, to get out of a bet.

[Broncos_OTM]

lol i guess you failed to read bobs avatar


I'd put it at quagmire and impasse

[DeuceOfClub]

Adrian Peterson has signed a five-year, $40 million contract, with $17 million in guaranteed money with the Vikings.

It’s very simple now if you are the Chiefs or LJ. $60m with $23-25m will do.

Everyone (including both sides) know what the final numbers will look like, but lets just drag it for 1-2 weeks (or hopefully more) just for fun.


Championship.

[That One Guy]

I'm in no rush to see the party end. Let it drag on forever

[BigBad]

LJ says King Carl is no AJ Smith.

LOL That is classic!