The New Ryan Leaf - I give you Brady Quinn

[gadlaw]

Something about that boy just don't sit right with me. Is it his holding out for number one money from the Cleveland Browns when he was picked at 20 something? Was it that spoiled brat look he was giving off at the draft when he wasn't picked so soon? Was it perhaps this crap. http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/13731744/detail.html

Charging fans from 75 to 225 dollars for an autograph and refusing to sign anything fans brought and didn't buy from him? I would have to say all of the above. He's got the right 'Ryan Leaf' attitude, he's got the same alleged talent. He's got the same "I'm God's gift to football" attitude. Character counts and I'm not seeing any from him so far.

[Taco John]

Personally, I don't have a problem with him holding out for better money. I'm all for players getting their contract right the first time so they aren't coming back and disrupting the team later on.

But as far as the autograph fees... That's pretty ridiculous. I wonder how many fans bought one.

[Atwater His Ass]

what tj said.

[NaptownChief]

He is the anit-Leaf in terms of football. Quinn seems obsessed with football, keeping himself in great shape, much more in the Manning mold in that regard. Quinn may or may not end up being a good NFL QB but I'm pretty certain that if he isn't it won't be for a lack of effort like Leaf.

[Drek]

Something about that boy just don't sit right with me. Is it his holding out for number one money from the Cleveland Browns when he was picked at 20 something? Was it that spoiled brat look he was giving off at the draft when he wasn't picked so soon? Was it perhaps this crap. http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/13731744/detail.html

Charging fans from 75 to 225 dollars for an autograph and refusing to sign anything fans brought and didn't buy from him? I would have to say all of the above. He's got the right 'Ryan Leaf' attitude, he's got the same alleged talent. He's got the same "I'm God's gift to football" attitude. Character counts and I'm not seeing any from him so far.

Did you (or the morons who complained) not notice the giant "CG Authentic" logo backing set up behind him?

He wasn't there on behest of the radio station, they just hosted the event. Do people know this little about the sports commemorative/collectibles industry? CG Authentic pays Quinn a fist full of money to have him do an exclusive signing for them. They then set up a deal with WKNR where the station gets an interview with Quinn, and the extra add revenue such an event means for a local radio station in exchange for advertising and hosting the event.

The sponsoring company, CG Authentic, then strictly limits exactly what he can and will sign as well as pricing because that, along with the tons of advertising, is how they make their money. If Quinn was to sign anything outside of their approved guidelines he'd be in breach of contract and wouldn't get paid.

The real scam here was that on CG Authentic's website they had prices listed for Quinn signing things you brought versus already signed items, but pulled the plug on the former at the last minute, likely to force more people into buying grossly overpriced goods.

Same thing happens with baseball collectibles at just about any trade show or convention. A few athletes are hired by memorabilia agencies to pimp their wares while the sponsor charges crazy money for said athlete's autograph.

[Kaylore]

Quinn reminds me of Carr in his demeanor. He seems emotionally soft and like someone who won't be able to handle being a QB at the pro level from a mental standpoint. I felt the same way about Leinert and his incessant whining from his championship loss to the draft "woe-is-me" crap. We'll see.

[NaptownChief]

Quinn reminds me of Carr in his demeanor. He seems emotionally soft and like someone who won't be able to handle being a QB at the pro level from a mental standpoint. I felt the same way about Leinert and his incessant whining from his championship loss to the draft "woe-is-me" crap. We'll see.


I'm certainly not sold on him being a sure fire hit but experience has taught me that the most important factor for success at the NFL level for QB's is mental capacity and work ethic towards preparation for their own offense and their opponents defense. He seems to have both so I think the odds are really with him. The fact he got to work under Weis also tells me he should know what to look for and how to prepare properly. Because of that I think his downside is probably Trent Green/Matt Hasselbach'esq. Upside, who knows?

[gadlaw]

Quinn reminds me of Carr in his demeanor. He seems emotionally soft and like someone who won't be able to handle being a QB at the pro level from a mental standpoint. I felt the same way about Leinert and his incessant whining from his championship loss to the draft "woe-is-me" crap. We'll see.

Emotionally soft, whining, - you've nailed it. It's just not a good start for the guy, just my opinion and of course I hope he firms up and isn't a part of the continuing hex put on Cleveland by Elway/Reeves and company. I guess what I'm saying is that his attitude isn't helping me to like him in any way and he reminds me of Ryan Leaf so far. Which makes me so thankful that we've got Cutler who seems to be of stronger character.

As for the money thing, I do agree with the people who say that he shouldn't expect to get number one or even top ten money when he was selected as far down in the first round as he was. Get what you can yes but remember that you haven't done anything yet, take a shorter deal and the money you can get and if you're as good as you think you are then you'll play yourself to bigger money, based on what you've done and can do. Dude needs to be a bit humble until his production warrants the arrogance. I still won't like him but at least he'll have done something.

[gadlaw]

Did you (or the morons who complained) not notice the giant "CG Authentic" logo backing set up behind him?

He wasn't there on behest of the radio station, they just hosted the event. Do people know this little about the sports commemorative/collectibles industry? CG Authentic pays Quinn a fist full of money to have him do an exclusive signing for them. They then set up a deal with WKNR where the station gets an interview with Quinn, and the extra add revenue such an event means for a local radio station in exchange for advertising and hosting the event.

The sponsoring company, CG Authentic, then strictly limits exactly what he can and will sign as well as pricing because that, along with the tons of advertising, is how they make their money. If Quinn was to sign anything outside of their approved guidelines he'd be in breach of contract and wouldn't get paid.

The real scam here was that on CG Authentic's website they had prices listed for Quinn signing things you brought versus already signed items, but pulled the plug on the former at the last minute, likely to force more people into buying grossly overpriced goods.

Same thing happens with baseball collectibles at just about any trade show or convention. A few athletes are hired by memorabilia agencies to pimp their wares while the sponsor charges crazy money for said athlete's autograph.

I'm not sure anybody is a moron here or over there. Not everyone is involved in autographs and I've never pursued them myself so no I've never ever heard of 'CG Authentic' in any way shape or form. If you call people morons who don't know something you do then that's very sad for you. Here is what I do know about autographs. I do know that some sports are more fan friendly and encourage their players to meet the fans and give autographs to their fans, I'm thinking Nascar or country music folks. I know I've heard of some stars and sport stars who refuse to give autographs and those folks I consider to be a-holes. Charging people who are your fans for autographs generally puts you in the a-hole category (in my opinion) If the little kid with a picture from Sports Illustrated asks politely for your autograph or the squealing girl with her autograph book asks you for a signature and you refuse you're an arse. If Joe Sleazy walks up to you with a stack of 8 by 10's which he's going to sell, the Joe Sleazy is an arse. I think Brady Quinn is getting bad advise if he thinks that charging his potential new fans for autographs is a good idea. And the article in question is short on information. Perhaps those 'morons' in Cleveland were not told that this was a buy an autograph session. Perhaps they knew and decided that it wasn't cool and so protested by trying to bring him that Sporting News issue where he's on the cover. Don't know.

[skpac1001]

I'm certainly not sold on him being a sure fire hit but experience has taught me that the most important factor for success at the NFL level for QB's is mental capacity and work ethic towards preparation for their own offense and their opponents defense. He seems to have both so I think the odds are really with him. The fact he got to work under Weis also tells me he should know what to look for and how to prepare properly. Because of that I think his downside is probably Trent Green/Matt Hasselbach'esq. Upside, who knows?

I checked out Cleveland newspapers a couple times after minicamps. Basically, just about every one had a mention of him having accuracy problems every day or other problems, with very little praise, and Romeo saying he was struggling, and Quinn saying he was struggling. Granted, its really really early and a good work ethic should correct these kinds of problems, but still, he has been heading down more then up so far in his short post college career.

[GonzoLays]

Did you (or the morons who complained) not notice the giant "CG Authentic" logo backing set up behind him?

He wasn't there on behest of the radio station, they just hosted the event. Do people know this little about the sports commemorative/collectibles industry? CG Authentic pays Quinn a fist full of money to have him do an exclusive signing for them. They then set up a deal with WKNR where the station gets an interview with Quinn, and the extra add revenue such an event means for a local radio station in exchange for advertising and hosting the event.

The sponsoring company, CG Authentic, then strictly limits exactly what he can and will sign as well as pricing because that, along with the tons of advertising, is how they make their money. If Quinn was to sign anything outside of their approved guidelines he'd be in breach of contract and wouldn't get paid.

The real scam here was that on CG Authentic's website they had prices listed for Quinn signing things you brought versus already signed items, but pulled the plug on the former at the last minute, likely to force more people into buying grossly overpriced goods.

Same thing happens with baseball collectibles at just about any trade show or convention. A few athletes are hired by memorabilia agencies to pimp their wares while the sponsor charges crazy money for said athlete's autograph.

So in other words, you are a certified jock sniffer.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Quinn reminds me of Carr in his demeanor. He seems emotionally soft and like someone who won't be able to handle being a QB at the pro level from a mental standpoint. I felt the same way about Leinert and his incessant whining from his championship loss to the draft "woe-is-me" crap. We'll see.

Out here in Phoenix, Leinart has a radio show and the impression I get about his draft day slide is that he uses it as a way to poke fun at himself and that he appears to be pretty much over it.

Of course, that easily could be a front too...but I dont really get the impression he is very serious when he 'whines' about his draft status

[NaptownChief]

I checked out Cleveland newspapers a couple times after minicamps. Basically, just about every one had a mention of him having accuracy problems every day or other problems, with very little praise, and Romeo saying he was struggling, and Quinn saying he was struggling. Granted, its really really early and a good work ethic should correct these kinds of problems, but still, he has been heading down more then up so far in his short post college career.



Certainly possible but I have found that first round rookies that are struggling to sign tend to be "struggling" according to the coaching staff/front office and once signed always seem to be "doing great" once signed and in camp if you know what I mean.

[c_lazy_r]

So in other words, you are a certified jock sniffer.

LOL

[OrangeShadow]

So in other words, you are a certified jock sniffer.

:spit: mother ****in rep

[sirhcyennek81]

I think he's gay. Gives off the vibe.


:Broncos:

[mopatt24]

Actually, Phillip Rivers remind me of Ryan Leaf

[Orange_Beard]

Seems like a "dimm-wit" to me....

[skpac1001]

Certainly possible but I have found that first round rookies that are struggling to sign tend to be "struggling" according to the coaching staff/front office and once signed always seem to be "doing great" once signed and in camp if you know what I mean.

:~ohyah!: , yeah thats true. Shouldn't take long to figure out, I think they are gonna throw him to the wolves pretty quick.

[Drek]

I'm not sure anybody is a moron here or over there. Not everyone is involved in autographs and I've never pursued them myself so no I've never ever heard of 'CG Authentic' in any way shape or form. If you call people morons who don't know something you do then that's very sad for you. Here is what I do know about autographs. I do know that some sports are more fan friendly and encourage their players to meet the fans and give autographs to their fans, I'm thinking Nascar or country music folks. I know I've heard of some stars and sport stars who refuse to give autographs and those folks I consider to be a-holes. Charging people who are your fans for autographs generally puts you in the a-hole category (in my opinion) If the little kid with a picture from Sports Illustrated asks politely for your autograph or the squealing girl with her autograph book asks you for a signature and you refuse you're an arse. If Joe Sleazy walks up to you with a stack of 8 by 10's which he's going to sell, the Joe Sleazy is an arse. I think Brady Quinn is getting bad advise if he thinks that charging his potential new fans for autographs is a good idea. And the article in questi

on is short on information. Perhaps those 'morons' in Cleveland were not told that this was a buy an autograph session. Perhaps they knew and decided that it wasn't cool and so protested by trying to bring him that Sporting News issue where he's on the cover. Don't know.

Did you go to the website you linked? Did you see the giant advertising poster behind him with "CG Authentic" plastered everywhere? What, you think it was just how they decorate malls in Ohio? And I wasn't calling you a moron, I was calling the people who went to an event that was clearly advertised as a collectibles promotion yet complained when they had to pay significant money for autographed goods morons, because it was right there in front of their faces.

Quinn is a 20 something who doesn't even have a pro deal yet. I'm sure he isn't hard up for cash but the five figure cash he'd make from a deal like this makes life a whole lot easier while he negotiates with Cleveland. If you have a problem with that I suggest you take a look at the thread we had on here not too long ago about Cutler being a dick because some random O-Maner thought he was rude to his son, not signing stuff at a team event that included free autographs because it was outside the designated time.

Young football players, especially QBs, have a whole lot more on their minds than appeasing fans. I'm sure its easy for a country music singer to sign every girl's titties and every boy's CD before going on stage but he doesn't have a 240 pound genetic freak and his ten best buds looking to make his kidneys into pate.

If you want a player's autograph go to official team events where they offer them. As I said in the afore mentioned Cutler thread, there is no link between throwing a spheroid very well and being a humanitarian or compassionate person. If you think otherwise then I will call you, personally, a moron. I'll do it on here, I'll do it over the phone if you give me your number. I'd say it face to face if you feel like swinging buy southern Illinois because thats exactly what you'd be.

So in other words, you are a certified jock sniffer.

Maybe, or maybe I just give people the right to earn money and have a private life regardless of their public profile.

But then I'm sure the concept of having a "life" is rather foreign to someone who clearly spends a good chunk of his free time directing insults to other forum goers he personally dislikes.

[gadlaw]

Did you go to the website you linked? Did you see the giant advertising poster behind him with "CG Authentic" plastered everywhere? What, you think it was just how they decorate malls in Ohio? And I wasn't calling you a moron, I was calling the people who went to an event that was clearly advertised as a collectibles promotion yet complained when they had to pay significant money for autographed goods morons, because it was right there in front of their faces.

Quinn is a 20 something who doesn't even have a pro deal yet. I'm sure he isn't hard up for cash but the five figure cash he'd make from a deal like this makes life a whole lot easier while he negotiates with Cleveland. If you have a problem with that I suggest you take a look at the thread we had on here not too long ago about Cutler being a dick because some random O-Maner thought he was rude to his son, not signing stuff at a team event that included free autographs because it was outside the designated time.

Young football players, especially QBs, have a whole lot more on their minds than appeasing fans. I'm sure its easy for a country music singer to sign every girl's titties and every boy's CD before going on stage but he doesn't have a 240 pound genetic freak and his ten best buds looking to make his kidneys into pate.

If you want a player's autograph go to official team events where they offer them. As I said in the afore mentioned Cutler thread, there is no link between throwing a spheroid very well and being a humanitarian or compassionate person. If you think otherwise then I will call you, personally, a moron. I'll do it on here, I'll do it over the phone if you give me your number. I'd say it face to face if you feel like swinging buy southern Illinois because thats exactly what you'd be.



Maybe, or maybe I just give people the right to earn money and have a private life regardless of their public profile.

But then I'm sure the concept of having a "life" is rather foreign to someone who clearly spends a good chunk of his free time directing insults to other forum goers he personally dislikes.

Dude, you seem very happy to be calling people morons at the drop of the hat. Again, that really reflects on your own problems, not anyone else's here or in Cleveland. I cannot be any more offended by that than I am when the monkey in the zoo starts throwing it's own poop around, a monkey apparently has to throw poop, you have to throw the moron tag around. Good for you, I'm sure it makes you feel all smart and most unlike a moron. I already said I didn't know diddly about autographs or autograph seekers other than the fact that people who earn their money by performing to fans tempt the gods when they decide to spurn those fans.

As for the fact that Quinn doesn't have any money right now and that somehow justifies becoming Pete Rose and charging for his autograph well you know, it's his choice to not sign a contract yet. And he doesn't need money, he wants money. He's just out of College and can have his mommy drive him to interviews at Burger King or whatever. If he wants to be an arse for money he can take the bad pub to go with it. And if fans in Cleveland want to protest this crass money grab then good for them and I dub them most unmoron like.

Again with the wanting to call me a moron. You want me to come to Illinois to be called a moron, you want me to give you my phone number so you can call me a moron. Dude, you really need to get a grip. Maybe some anger management or something. And sorry but you are wrong, there is a link, a connection between 'character' and throwing a football. Football is a team sport and if you're low on the character level you aren't long for team play. And personally I wouldn't want a autograph from Brady Quinn anymore than I'd stand real close to your cage so you can throw feces at me. :thumbsup:

[Drek]

Dude, you seem very happy to be calling people morons at the drop of the hat. Again, that really reflects on your own problems, not anyone else's here or in Cleveland. I cannot be any more offended by that than I am when the monkey in the zoo starts throwing it's own poop around, a monkey apparently has to throw poop, you have to throw the moron tag around. Good for you, I'm sure it makes you feel all smart and most unlike a moron. I already said I didn't know diddly about autographs or autograph seekers other than the fact that people who earn their money by performing to fans tempt the gods when they decide to spurn those fans.

As for the fact that Quinn doesn't have any money right now and that somehow justifies becoming Pete Rose and charging for his autograph well you know, it's his choice to not sign a contract yet. And he doesn't need money, he wants money. He's just out of College and can have his mommy drive him to interviews at Burger King or whatever. If he wants to be an arse for money he can take the bad pub to go with it. And if fans in Cleveland want to protest this crass money grab then good for them and I dub them most unmoron like.

Again with the wanting to call me a moron. You want me to come to Illinois to be called a moron, you want me to give you my phone number so you can call me a moron. Dude, you really need to get a grip. Maybe some anger management or something. And sorry but you are wrong, there is a link, a connection between 'character' and throwing a football. Football is a team sport and if you're low on the character level you aren't long for team play. And personally I wouldn't want a autograph from Brady Quinn anymore than I'd stand real close to your cage so you can throw feces at me. :thumbsup:

People who don't notice blatantly obvious things in their day to day lives, especially events they chose to attend, are morons.

People who run red lights and wind up in car accidents aren't unlucky, they're morons. Its unfortunate that they make stupid choices and are oblivious to the world around them, but thats the case.

Your previous post seemed to take my calling people morons personally, I was just making it clear that I don't play an internet tough guy by any stretch, I'm up front with my opinion and was just illustrating that point, sorry if it came off overly hostile.

As for athletic ability having some innate tie to character, go talk about that with Ty Cobb. By all accounts one of the greatest baseball players of all time, often cited as one of the best teammates by his former comrades, but still quite possibly the biggest dick to walk the earth.

If character is such a vital part of a successful team then explain to me the success of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. Or the less successful but still very good 2005 Cincinnati Bengals.

Pro sports have nothing to do with character or integrity. In fact, I'd say today's "me first" sporting environment requires and fosters just the opposite, encouraging players to see a teammate's injury as the chance to step up and take his job, or a moment of weakness in the opponent as the chance to strike a finishing blow. There's no character or integrity on a battle field and people love using that metaphor in regards to our sporting events. Its not surprising that a similar "get mine/me first" mindset has developed.

I think Brady Quinn could do very well in Cleveland. In fact, I think he'll be a much better QB than Russell. That doesn't change that he's the Michael Kelso of quarterbacks (That 70's Show reference), obsessed with his own "man pretty" good looks and getting crazy attention. I wouldn't compare him to Ryan Leaf, I'd compare him to Joe Namath, someone so wrapped up in his own celebrity that he'll work harder than anyone else so that he can maintain it. Protecting glass houses takes a lot of work.

[Ugly Duck]

I think he's gay. Gives off the vibe.


:Broncos:

What do you mean "gives off the vibe?"

http://www.towleroad.com/images/bq2.jpg

[Ugly Duck]

I think he's gay. Gives off the vibe.


:Broncos:

Oh.... you mean this:

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bq1.jpg

[NFLBRONCO]

I still say Brady imo is Jake Plummer II. Why not some pics of Quinn's sister.

[gadlaw]

Your previous post seemed to take my calling people morons personally, I was just making it clear that I don't play an internet tough guy by any stretch, I'm up front with my opinion and was just illustrating that point, sorry if it came off overly hostile.


I'm cool. You cool? Everybody be cool. I feel like I'm channeling Samuel K. Jackson from Pulp Fiction. :afro: Tell Hunny Bunny to be cool. Well you know, hopefully it's all in good fun. It's only the internet after all.

[Raider Bill]

I was a Quinn fan, but was talking to the Eagles QB coach (lives in my town) the other day at the diner. He said ,all bull****ting aside, they had Kevin Kolb ranked higher. They weren't really high on him

[GonzoLays]

What do you mean "gives off the vibe?"

http://www.towleroad.com/images/bq2.jpg


Where is that pic of Brady Quinn grabing another guys crotch while the other guy did the same to Quinn?

He's gay.

[Drek]

I still say Brady imo is Jake Plummer II. Why not some pics of Quinn's sister.

Thats not a good idea man. Someone will comment on her more Elway-esque features and then AJ Hawk will snap 'em in half.

I'm cool. You cool? Everybody be cool. I feel like I'm channeling Samuel K. Jackson from Pulp Fiction. :afro: Tell Hunny Bunny to be cool. Well you know, hopefully it's all in good fun. It's only the internet after all.

I empathize with Jules. I've dated a few vegetarians in my life, its a royale pain (yes, worst pun ever).

[Smiling Assassin27]

I was a Quinn fan, but was talking to the Eagles QB coach (lives in my town) the other day at the diner. He said ,all bull****ting aside, they had Kevin Kolb ranked higher. They weren't really high on him

I'm not sure what you 'd expect the Eagles to say after drafting Kolb so high. Still, if i'm brady quinn, i get peyton manning on the phone and get into his circle of trust asap.


http://blueprintfundraising.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/circle-of-trust.gif

[Darkdoc]

On top of everything else, his girlfriend is ugly.

www.cnnsi.com/2007/images/04/30/quinn_clicks.jpg

http://moblog.co.uk/blogs/393/moblog_afae560fc1cbe.jpg

[Atwater His Ass]

looks like she likes to party though, so she's ok in my book.

[RhymesayersDU]

I empathize with Jules. I've dated a few vegetarians in my life, its a royale pain (yes, worst pun ever).

B..B...B...because of the metric system?

LOOK AT THE BIG BRAINS ON BRAD!

[Ugly Duck]

Where is that pic of Brady Quinn grabing another guys crotch while the other guy did the same to Quinn?

He's gay.

You think this is gay? Man, you Denver guyz is harsh...

http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/05/yipesbrady.jpg

[Gort]

I still say Brady imo is Jake Plummer II. Why not some pics of Quinn's sister.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/pete_mcentegart/01/03/ten.spot/p1_lauraquinn.jpg

she's not ugly, but she's got a bit of a horse face.

[sirhcyennek81]

You think this is gay? Man, you Denver guyz is harsh...

http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/05/yipesbrady.jpg


Really gay. I'd **** him tho.


:Broncos:

[TheReverend]

Really gay. I'd **** him tho.


:Broncos:

I just threw up in my mouth.

[sirhcyennek81]

I just threw up in my mouth.


Mouthwash is your friend.


:Broncos: